| rexbron | hey | 16:10 |
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| rexbron | TheMuso, persia: Any suggestions for handling out of source cmake builds in a debian package? Currently, I'm having to cd into a dir that I create and && a bunch of commands together | 16:11 |
| persia | You could write a build script, and then call that from debian/rules | 16:13 |
| persia | Or patch the upstream build system to allow it from a single call | 16:13 |
| astraljava | Ok this is mysterious; two maverick install discs fail at Select and install software. | 17:28 |
| astraljava | Anyone else seeing that? | 17:28 |
| holstein | astraljava: again... | 17:33 |
| holstein | D'oh | 17:33 |
| holstein | astraljava: theres a step in the installer after it fails | 17:33 |
| holstein | if the failing install computer is online | 17:34 |
| holstein | it makes a webserver that you can go and get the logs from | 17:34 |
| holstein | astraljava: can/did you do that and see what package/s borked it? | 17:34 |
| astraljava | holstein: Yeah I have installed it after that step, but the problem is that I've got 3G, which requires NetworkManager, which requires gdm... | 17:34 |
| holstein | AH | 17:35 |
| holstein | i saw other options for reporting, that was just the easiest for me since it was online | 17:35 |
| astraljava | Downloading the image again, and will trytomorrow. | 17:35 |
| holstein | :/ | 17:36 |
| holstein | i should do that too | 17:36 |
| holstein | the 64bit ones | 17:36 |
| astraljava | That's what I'm trying, guess I should get the 32-bit as well. IT should be finished overnight. :) | 17:37 |
| astraljava | holstein: Sorry, I didn't read very well. I'll try that webserver thingie when I have installed the switch into the cabinet, so that I can network that machine locally. | 17:52 |
| persia | ScottL, You might want to join #ubuntu-devel : sistpoty is currently verifying release delegates for flavours. | 17:54 |
| astraljava | persia: Does he require someone's presence from the team? If Scott is unavailable, I can assist temporarily. | 17:57 |
| persia | He needs someone to be officially responsible for review of any uploads that affect the release. | 17:57 |
| persia | And I believe that is supposed to be one person. | 17:57 |
| persia | Anyway, ask ScottL, or for clarification in #ubuntu-release for more details (I have an overview of procedure, and presence in lots of channels, but don't know this bit so well) | 17:58 |
| ScottL | i accepted responsibility, although i don't necessairly expect too much to be exacted | 18:04 |
| astraljava | Okay, that's good. :) | 18:05 |
| persia | As long as you're following in -release, the few times something is raised, it ought be brought to your attention. | 18:06 |
| * persia is thinking about a WildMidi update that would include features, but doesn't think it's actually in the packageset | 18:06 | |
| ScottL | i'll add -release to my settings so i stay in the channel all the time then | 18:13 |
| persia | You might want to idle in -devel also. You may or may not be interested in all traffic there, but that channel gets used a lot for inter-flavour coordination. | 18:33 |
| ScottL | hi rlameiro | 21:21 |
| ScottL | persia, i already have -devel in my default channels :) | 21:21 |
| rlameiro | Hey ScottL | 21:22 |
| persia | #ubuntu-devel? | 21:22 |
| persia | I just didn't see you three :) | 21:22 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, have you had a chance to test the latest maverick ISO with the recently patched gnome-network-admin | 21:22 |
| rlameiro | persia: are you on the arm project? | 21:22 |
| ScottL | i'm really curious how it works for wifi users | 21:22 |
| persia | rlameiro, I'm in *lots* of IRC channels. I do some ARM porting, and have some ARM machines. | 21:22 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: not yet, trying to figure out ubuntu on my arm single computer... | 21:22 |
| rlameiro | persia: FTW | 21:23 |
| rlameiro | persia: beagle board? or some clone? | 21:23 |
| ScottL | lol, everytime i see that i don't read that as "for the win" ;) | 21:23 |
| ScottL | it comes from being influence by nihilistic 80's metal :P | 21:23 |
| rlameiro | he he, right now i am converting a vmware vm to quemu bin, to convert it back to vbox.... | 21:24 |
| rlameiro | my pc is on FIRE | 21:24 |
| persia | rlameiro, I've a beagle, a QNAP TS-119, a Kurobox, an n810, a netwalker, and an SLC-3100. Only the Beagle can run maverick, so the rest aren't really running proper Ubuntu. the beagle is my least favorite, but I wanted to keep things in shape for when I can get supported hardware. | 21:24 |
| rlameiro | persia: nice:D mine is a beagle clone, but a little better | 21:25 |
| persia | (oh, and both Sharp handhelds are dead in annoying ways) | 21:25 |
| rlameiro | its an IGEPv2 512Ram | 21:25 |
| rlameiro | well, yeah, ARMV7 its the way to go | 21:26 |
| persia | Any ideas on why lash doesn't build? I'd like to get Studio running on arm. | 21:26 |
| rlameiro | the others are so slow... | 21:26 |
| rlameiro | persia: I am trying to do a FX box with it :D | 21:26 |
| persia | Then you and I have similar goals there :) | 21:26 |
| rlameiro | persia: FTW | 21:26 |
| rlameiro | I will use puredata as a processing backend | 21:27 |
| persia | Are there any missing packages that especially annoy you? I'll put them higher on my list for porting time. | 21:27 |
| rlameiro | making the patches for effects | 21:27 |
| rlameiro | persia: for now i just want to put it making sound:D | 21:27 |
| rlameiro | but the pd libs in debian would be nice:D | 21:28 |
| persia | OK. You probably want to chat with mpoirer: I know he's looking into the ASoC on the beagles, and would probably appreciate testers. He's in -arm. | 21:28 |
| rlameiro | at least the new ones | 21:28 |
| persia | Getting new versions is tricky, with the archive frozen, but getting stuff built counts as fixing release-critical bugs :) | 21:28 |
| rlameiro | i am there, my problem is that i cant tar my rootfs inside the VM | 21:28 |
| persia | I booted one of the netbook images, and then uninstalled everything I didn't want, and installed stuff I wanted. I recommend trying that. | 21:29 |
| persia | then you can just use apt-get to tune the system. | 21:29 |
| rlameiro | so i am porting my vm to virtual box, the igep guys give a vm with ubuntu in it, where you have all the toolchain to build kernels and rootfs for it | 21:29 |
| rlameiro | persia: problem with ubuntu images is that they need a first boot with DVI/hdmi | 21:30 |
| rlameiro | but i am running it headless UART/SSH | 21:30 |
| rlameiro | not good for me, so i need to build my own rootfs with rootstock | 21:30 |
| rlameiro | and also build the kernel with the preempt choice :D | 21:31 |
| persia | Then I'm not the right person :) But ask in -arm, and I'm sure someone will help you. | 21:31 |
| persia | For -preempt for omap, talk to mpoirer | 21:31 |
| rlameiro | persia: have you tried some LCD on the beagle? | 21:31 |
| persia | No. I connected DVI to get it set up, and run headless as a buildd. It's lower-spec than most of my handhelds. | 21:32 |
| persia | But, really, better to talk about armel in -arm | 21:32 |
| persia | (unless you have studio-specific stuff, which I'm happy to discuss here) | 21:32 |
| rlameiro | persia: well, what is the best audio backen in arm? | 21:33 |
| rlameiro | oss or alsa? | 21:33 |
| rlameiro | this is inportant for studio :D | 21:33 |
| persia | ASoC, which implements the ALSA interface. | 21:33 |
| persia | Most of the vendors hire ASoC implementors during bringup. I haven't heard of much vendor support for OSS in armel. | 21:34 |
| rlameiro | persia: do you think we could make some "distro" for arm devices? | 21:34 |
| persia | Sure. If we port all the apps, we can do a studio image for ARM | 21:34 |
| persia | (assuming ScottL allows it, and we have testers) | 21:34 |
| rlameiro | well, some apps will not be nice in arm low end | 21:34 |
| rlameiro | we could make a stripdown version :D | 21:35 |
| persia | The seed tools allow one to select different applications on a per-architecture basis, or we could do a "effects box" image for amd64/armel as a controllable tone generator. | 21:35 |
| rlameiro | thats the idea | 21:36 |
| persia | Anyway, first get *your* machine working. Once that works, we can figure out what belongs on that kind of target, and then we can ask if we can make an image. | 21:36 |
| rlameiro | I was thinking in designing an app in python/gtk/qt to select things | 21:36 |
| rlameiro | something on top of say, ... jackrack or something | 21:36 |
| rlameiro | my idea was to make pd booting at startup and then having a control patch that would launch effects via outside commands | 21:37 |
| rlameiro | eitheir via OSC or MIDI or even direct TCP/IP | 21:38 |
| persia | That, or make it just start everything by default somehow, and expect external MIDI/OSC controls | 21:38 |
| rlameiro | that will burn the processor :D | 21:38 |
| rlameiro | I even am reading DSP stuff to implement some of the pd Harder objects in the DSP | 21:39 |
| rlameiro | that would be awesome | 21:39 |
| rlameiro | FFT precessing without waiting | 21:39 |
| rlameiro | maybe there is something like that already | 21:39 |
| persia | I'm not sure. | 21:39 |
| rlameiro | if the fftw3 lib is ported for the dsp it will be awesome | 21:40 |
| * persia tends to focus on having things exist before optimising them | 21:40 | |
| rlameiro | persia: anyway, first things first | 21:40 |
| persia | Anyway, time for food | 21:40 |
| rlameiro | i will also talk with the people of puredata | 21:40 |
| rlameiro | there is a lot of fuzz on the embedded and pd | 21:41 |
| rlameiro | it runs already on the iphone/ipod | 21:41 |
| rlameiro | and preliminary steps in android | 21:41 |
| persia | Please: let's get Ubuntu on that list :) | 21:42 |
| rlameiro | yeap | 21:42 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu-arm :D | 21:42 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, you still around? | 23:47 |
| ScottL | i've begun to update the FAQ page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/FAQ | 23:47 |
| ScottL | i not only restructured it a bit, but i also added a SoftwareSelection link where i'll start documenting reasons we include or exlude applications | 23:48 |
| ScottL | (i think we were talking about this before) | 23:48 |
| ScottL | i've been talking with holstein about it as well | 23:48 |
| ScottL | i encourage you to add whatever you think is appropriate | 23:49 |
| ScottL | . | 23:49 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i would also encourage you to add a pure data workflow (and any other academia ones you can think of) to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows | 23:50 |
| ScottL | i'll be adding to this page over the weekend as well | 23:50 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i don't remember if i told you or not, but instead of being an "application factory" where we try to included everything available without any coherent association | 23:51 |
| ScottL | we will be focusing on tasks, specifically how to accomplish specific tasks | 23:51 |
| ScottL | if we develop a workflow to accomplish a task this will provide reason for an application's inclusion | 23:52 |
| ScottL | this will help us re-evaluate package selection in ubuntu studio | 23:53 |
| ScottL | defining a workflow will also provide a skeleton from which to develop documentation | 23:53 |
| ScottL | hopefully, this will yield a leaner, more focused and usable ubuntu studio | 23:54 |
| rlameiro | ok | 23:54 |
| rlameiro | it seems very good idea | 23:54 |
| ScottL | i don't claim credit for this idea, it was persia 's idea, i hope i am able to effect it though :) | 23:54 |
| ScottL | rather i hope i have the ability to effect it | 23:55 |
| ScottL | . | 23:55 |
| ScottL | persia, i should be adding a section to the FAQ listed above about why ISO's will continue to be made for ubuntu studio vs. ubuntu livecd & ppa installation | 23:56 |
| ScottL | i feel this would be important to document and continue to append to the list when new reasons are remembered, discovered, or developed | 23:57 |
| * persia doesn't deserve credit either: the idea of workflow-based usability was collaborative between both of us in combination to a general atmosphere of focus on usability in Ubuntu these days. | 23:57 | |
| ScottL | troy has been preaching something akin to this, but in a less concise and palatable manner :P | 23:58 |
| persia | ScottL, That's a good idea, and it becomes even more important as we trend towards a single high-performance kernel for Studio and Desktop, because it's just not going to perform well running from CD or USB. | 23:58 |
| ScottL | usually troy is more "its crap and there's no reason for doing the things you are doing....arrgghhh! no reason, NO REASON!" | 23:59 |
| ScottL | lol | 23:59 |
| persia | troy knows far too much about this, and so tends to use technical meanings of terms we often consider just words. The concept of "audience" usually takes 20-30 thinkings about before one understands it doesn't mean "the people who see things" except when it does, for example. | 23:59 |
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