[16:10] <rexbron> hey
[16:11] <rexbron> TheMuso, persia: Any suggestions for handling out of source cmake builds in a debian package? Currently, I'm having to cd into a dir that I create and && a bunch of commands together
[16:13] <persia> You could write a build script, and then call that from debian/rules
[16:13] <persia> Or patch the upstream build system to allow it from a single call
[17:28] <astraljava> Ok this is mysterious; two maverick install discs fail at Select and install software.
[17:28] <astraljava> Anyone else seeing that?
[17:33] <holstein> astraljava: again...
[17:33] <holstein> D'oh
[17:33] <holstein> astraljava: theres a step in the installer after it fails
[17:34] <holstein> if the failing install computer is online
[17:34] <holstein> it makes a webserver that you can go and get the logs from
[17:34] <holstein> astraljava: can/did you do that and see what package/s borked it?
[17:34] <astraljava> holstein: Yeah I have installed it after that step, but the problem is that I've got 3G, which requires NetworkManager, which requires gdm...
[17:35] <holstein> AH
[17:35] <holstein> i saw other options for reporting, that was just the easiest for me since it was online
[17:35] <astraljava> Downloading the image again, and will trytomorrow.
[17:36] <holstein> :/
[17:36] <holstein> i should do that too
[17:36] <holstein> the 64bit ones
[17:37] <astraljava> That's what I'm trying, guess I should get the 32-bit as well. IT should be finished overnight. :)
[17:52] <astraljava> holstein: Sorry, I didn't read very well. I'll try that webserver thingie when I have installed the switch into the cabinet, so that I can network that machine locally.
[17:54] <persia> ScottL, You might want to join #ubuntu-devel : sistpoty is currently verifying release delegates for flavours.
[17:57] <astraljava> persia: Does he require someone's presence from the team? If Scott is unavailable, I can assist temporarily.
[17:57] <persia> He needs someone to be officially responsible for review of any uploads that affect the release.
[17:57] <persia> And I believe that is supposed to be one person.
[17:58] <persia> Anyway, ask ScottL, or for clarification in #ubuntu-release for more details (I have an overview of procedure, and presence in lots of channels, but don't know this bit so well)
[18:04] <ScottL> i accepted responsibility, although i don't necessairly expect too much to be exacted
[18:05] <astraljava> Okay, that's good. :)
[18:06] <persia> As long as you're following in -release, the few times something is raised, it ought be brought to your attention.
[18:06]  * persia is thinking about a WildMidi update that would include features, but doesn't think it's actually in the packageset
[18:13] <ScottL> i'll add -release to my settings so i stay in the channel all the time then
[18:33] <persia> You might want to idle in -devel also.  You may or may not be interested in all traffic there, but that channel gets used a lot for inter-flavour coordination.
[21:21] <ScottL> hi rlameiro 
[21:21] <ScottL> persia, i already have -devel in my default channels :)
[21:22] <rlameiro> Hey ScottL 
[21:22] <persia> #ubuntu-devel?
[21:22] <persia> I just didn't see you three :)
[21:22] <ScottL> rlameiro, have you had a chance to test the latest maverick ISO with the recently patched gnome-network-admin
[21:22] <rlameiro> persia: are you on the arm project?
[21:22] <ScottL> i'm really curious how it works for wifi users
[21:22] <persia> rlameiro, I'm in *lots* of IRC channels.  I do some ARM porting, and have some ARM machines.
[21:22] <rlameiro> ScottL: not yet, trying to figure out ubuntu on my arm single computer...
[21:23] <rlameiro> persia: FTW
[21:23] <rlameiro> persia: beagle board? or some clone?
[21:23] <ScottL> lol, everytime i see that i don't read that as "for the win" ;)
[21:23] <ScottL> it comes from being influence by nihilistic 80's metal :P
[21:24] <rlameiro> he he, right now i am converting a vmware vm to quemu bin, to convert it back to vbox....
[21:24] <rlameiro> my pc is on FIRE
[21:24] <persia> rlameiro, I've a beagle, a QNAP TS-119, a Kurobox, an n810, a netwalker, and an SLC-3100.  Only the Beagle can run maverick, so the rest aren't really running proper Ubuntu.  the beagle is my least favorite, but I wanted to keep things in shape for when I can get supported hardware.
[21:25] <rlameiro> persia: nice:D mine is a beagle clone, but a little better
[21:25] <persia> (oh, and both Sharp handhelds are dead in annoying ways)
[21:25] <rlameiro> its an IGEPv2 512Ram
[21:26] <rlameiro> well, yeah, ARMV7 its the way to go
[21:26] <persia> Any ideas on why lash doesn't build?  I'd like to get Studio running on arm.
[21:26] <rlameiro> the others are so slow...
[21:26] <rlameiro> persia: I am trying to do a FX box with it :D
[21:26] <persia> Then you and I have similar goals there :)
[21:26] <rlameiro> persia: FTW
[21:27] <rlameiro> I will use puredata as a processing backend
[21:27] <persia> Are there any missing packages that especially annoy you?  I'll put them higher on my list for porting time.
[21:27] <rlameiro> making the patches for effects 
[21:27] <rlameiro> persia: for now i just want to put it making sound:D
[21:28] <rlameiro> but the pd libs in debian would be nice:D
[21:28] <persia> OK.  You probably want to chat with mpoirer: I know he's looking into the ASoC on the beagles, and would probably appreciate testers.  He's in -arm.
[21:28] <rlameiro> at least the new ones
[21:28] <persia> Getting new versions is tricky, with the archive frozen, but getting stuff built counts as fixing release-critical bugs :)
[21:28] <rlameiro> i am there, my problem is that i cant tar my rootfs inside the VM
[21:29] <persia> I booted one of the netbook images, and then uninstalled everything I didn't want, and installed stuff I wanted.  I recommend trying that.
[21:29] <persia> then you can just use apt-get to tune the system.
[21:29] <rlameiro> so i am porting my vm to virtual box, the igep guys give a vm with ubuntu in it, where you have all the toolchain to build kernels and rootfs for it
[21:30] <rlameiro> persia: problem with ubuntu images is that they need a first boot with DVI/hdmi
[21:30] <rlameiro> but i am running it headless UART/SSH
[21:30] <rlameiro> not good for me, so i need to build my own rootfs with rootstock
[21:31] <rlameiro> and also build the kernel with the preempt choice :D
[21:31] <persia> Then I'm not the right person :)  But ask in -arm, and I'm sure someone will help you.
[21:31] <persia> For -preempt for omap, talk to mpoirer
[21:31] <rlameiro> persia: have you tried some LCD on the beagle?
[21:32] <persia> No.  I connected DVI to get it set up, and run headless as a buildd.  It's lower-spec than most of my handhelds.
[21:32] <persia> But, really, better to talk about armel in -arm
[21:32] <persia> (unless you have studio-specific stuff, which I'm happy to discuss here)
[21:33] <rlameiro> persia: well, what is the best audio backen in arm?
[21:33] <rlameiro> oss or alsa?
[21:33] <rlameiro> this is inportant for studio :D
[21:33] <persia> ASoC, which implements the ALSA interface.
[21:34] <persia> Most of the vendors hire ASoC implementors during bringup.  I haven't heard of much vendor support for OSS in armel.
[21:34] <rlameiro> persia: do you think we could make some "distro" for arm devices?
[21:34] <persia> Sure.  If we port all the apps, we can do a studio image for ARM
[21:34] <persia> (assuming ScottL allows it, and we have testers)
[21:34] <rlameiro> well, some apps will not be nice in arm low end
[21:35] <rlameiro> we could make a stripdown version :D
[21:35] <persia> The seed tools allow one to select different applications on a per-architecture basis, or we could do a "effects box" image for amd64/armel as a controllable tone generator.
[21:36] <rlameiro> thats the idea
[21:36] <persia> Anyway, first get *your* machine working.  Once that works, we can figure out what belongs on that kind of target, and then we can ask if we can make an image.
[21:36] <rlameiro> I was thinking in designing an app in python/gtk/qt to select things
[21:36] <rlameiro> something on top of say, ... jackrack or something
[21:37] <rlameiro> my idea was to make pd booting at startup and then having a control patch that would launch effects via outside commands
[21:38] <rlameiro> eitheir via OSC or MIDI or even direct TCP/IP
[21:38] <persia> That, or make it just start everything by default somehow, and expect external MIDI/OSC controls
[21:38] <rlameiro> that will burn the processor :D
[21:39] <rlameiro> I even am reading DSP stuff to implement some of the pd Harder objects in the DSP
[21:39] <rlameiro> that would be awesome
[21:39] <rlameiro> FFT precessing without waiting
[21:39] <rlameiro> maybe there is something like that already
[21:39] <persia> I'm not sure.
[21:40] <rlameiro> if the fftw3 lib is ported for the dsp it will be awesome
[21:40]  * persia tends to focus on having things exist before optimising them
[21:40] <rlameiro> persia: anyway, first things first
[21:40] <persia> Anyway, time for food
[21:40] <rlameiro> i will also talk with the people of puredata
[21:41] <rlameiro> there is a lot of fuzz on the embedded and pd
[21:41] <rlameiro> it runs already on the iphone/ipod
[21:41] <rlameiro> and preliminary steps in android
[21:42] <persia> Please: let's get Ubuntu on that list :)
[21:42] <rlameiro> yeap
[21:42] <rlameiro> ubuntu-arm :D
[23:47] <ScottL> rlameiro, you still around?
[23:47] <ScottL> i've begun to update the FAQ page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/FAQ
[23:48] <ScottL> i not only restructured it a bit, but i also added a SoftwareSelection link where i'll start documenting reasons we include or exlude applications
[23:48] <ScottL> (i think we were talking about this before)
[23:48] <ScottL> i've been talking with holstein about it as well
[23:49] <ScottL> i encourage you to add whatever you think is appropriate
[23:49] <ScottL> .
[23:50] <ScottL> rlameiro, i would also encourage you to add a pure data workflow (and any other academia ones you can think of) to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows
[23:50] <ScottL> i'll be adding to this page over the weekend as well
[23:51] <ScottL> rlameiro, i don't remember if i told you or not, but instead of being an "application factory" where we try to included everything available without any coherent association
[23:51] <ScottL> we will be focusing on tasks, specifically how to accomplish specific tasks
[23:52] <ScottL> if we develop a workflow to accomplish a task this will provide reason for an application's inclusion
[23:53] <ScottL> this will help us re-evaluate package selection in ubuntu studio
[23:53] <ScottL> defining a workflow will also provide a skeleton from which to develop documentation
[23:54] <ScottL> hopefully, this will yield a leaner, more focused and usable ubuntu studio
[23:54] <rlameiro> ok
[23:54] <rlameiro> it seems very good idea
[23:54] <ScottL> i don't claim credit for this idea, it was persia 's idea, i hope i am able to effect it though :)
[23:55] <ScottL> rather i hope i have the ability to effect it
[23:55] <ScottL> .
[23:56] <ScottL> persia, i should be adding a section to the FAQ listed above about why ISO's will continue to be made for ubuntu studio vs. ubuntu livecd & ppa installation
[23:57] <ScottL> i feel this would be important to document and continue to append to the list when new reasons are remembered, discovered, or developed
[23:57]  * persia doesn't deserve credit either: the idea of workflow-based usability was collaborative between both of us in combination to a general atmosphere of focus on usability in Ubuntu these days.
[23:58] <ScottL> troy has been preaching something akin to this, but in a less concise and palatable manner :P
[23:58] <persia> ScottL, That's a good idea, and it becomes even more important as we trend towards a single high-performance kernel for Studio and Desktop, because it's just not going to perform well running from CD or USB.
[23:59] <ScottL> usually troy is more "its crap and there's no reason for doing the things you are doing....arrgghhh!  no reason, NO REASON!"
[23:59] <ScottL> lol
[23:59] <persia> troy knows far too much about this, and so tends to use technical meanings of terms we often consider just words.  The concept of "audience" usually takes 20-30 thinkings about before one understands it doesn't mean "the people who see things" except when it does, for example.