[00:08] <realmatt> is there a good batch ripping program for cds?
[00:08] <rlameiro> did you search for it on the software center
[00:09] <realmatt> i searched on google and came up with a few but I wanted to ask everyone else for their opinion
[00:09] <rlameiro> sound juicer maybe?
[00:09] <realmatt> actually I found cd rippers for linux I don't think any of them were batch rippers
[00:10] <rlameiro> batch in what sense?
[00:10] <realmatt> if I have 5 or 6 cd drives in my computer I should be able to load them up and have them rip all at the same time
[00:10] <realmatt> for ripping my entire cd collection
[00:11] <realmatt> so i don't have to do it 1 at a time
[00:11] <holstein> i was looking into something like that
[00:12] <holstein> auto ripper kind of thing
[00:12]  * holstein checks bookmarks
[00:12] <rlameiro> realmatt: i think taht is a rather unusual task
[00:12] <rlameiro> maybe some one made some script for it
[00:13] <realmatt> I've heard that there was commercial software in windows that will do it but I'd rather not go that route
[00:15] <holstein> the thing i wanted to do was a jukebox type deal on a server
[00:15] <holstein> just throw in a disc
[00:16] <holstein> it gets ripped however
[00:16] <holstein> and put where ever
[00:16] <holstein> and BOOM
[00:16] <realmatt> I've got part of my cd collection ripped and that part is in many different formats
[00:16] <realmatt> I want to do the whole thing in flac
[00:16] <realmatt> like 6 or 8 at a time
[00:17] <holstein> realmatt: i think it was http://www.frozen.ca/ubuntu-tutorials/6-automatic-cd-ripping-with-abcde
[00:17] <holstein> that seemed promising
[00:17] <holstein> realmatt: in theory, you should be able to config it to do as many as you got CD rom drives
[00:18] <holstein> i was going to be OK just throwing one in ever now and then
[00:18] <holstein> and coming back later and switching it out
[00:18] <holstein> but i wanted the backend to be automated
[00:18] <holstein> just put it in
[00:18] <holstein> come back later and its hanging out of the drive ready for another
[00:20] <holstein> and i dont want to run X on the box
[00:20] <holstein> im still working out a hardware scenario though
[00:20] <holstein> something that has a good spouse approval rating :)
[00:21] <holstein> i was thinking id be fine running mp3blaster in screen
[00:21] <holstein> having the audio playing server-side
[00:21] <holstein> and i can ssh in from whatever box on the network
[00:23] <realmatt> interesting
[00:23] <realmatt> so I'm guessing it gets the cd info from cddb?
[00:23] <holstein> i was running a http://sockso.pu-gh.com/
[00:23] <holstein> server
[00:23] <holstein> my girlfriend liked that OK
[00:24] <holstein> and used it
[00:24] <holstein> but the playback was client-side
[00:24] <holstein> realmatt: im assuming you can edit the config file
[00:24] <holstein> and tell it where to get the data
[00:24] <realmatt> probably so
[00:26] <realmatt> I'm gonna give it a shot
[00:26] <holstein> COOL
[00:26] <holstein> let me know
[00:26] <realmatt> word
[00:26] <holstein> :)
[03:13] <jdrums> Having trouble keeping JACK connected to my FP10. Getting error: firewire ERR: wait status < 0! (= -1) DRIVER NT: could not run driver cycle after a few seconds.
[03:13] <jdrums> Can someone help me troubleshoot?
[04:49] <dax2112rush> Do you guys know if fst adds latency like dssi-vst?
[04:52] <holstein> hey dax2112rush
[04:52] <holstein> im going to refer you to #opensourcemusicians
[04:52] <holstein> when im using JACK
[04:52] <holstein> i tend to just get the latency im expecting
[04:52] <holstein> regardless
[04:52] <holstein> but i dont to a lot of MIDI
[04:52] <dax2112rush> holstein: thx, didn't really know where to go
[04:52]  * holstein assumes you talking about an instrument
[04:53] <dax2112rush> holstein: nope
[04:53] <holstein> audio plugin?
[04:53] <dax2112rush> holstein: I want to run guitar VSTs
[04:53] <dax2112rush> holstein: yep
[04:53] <holstein> what vst's?
[04:53] <holstein> are you using JACK ?
[04:54] <holstein> have you tried rakarrack and guitarix ?
[04:54] <dax2112rush> holstein: mostly Revalver MKIII
[04:54] <dax2112rush> holstein: yes with jack
[04:54] <holstein> you got some kinda wine thing going on with it?
[04:55] <dax2112rush> holstein: no, I might try them, but high gain sounds seems to be hard to do well, most commercial suites are not really good IMO
[04:55] <holstein> rakarrack is awesome :)
[04:56] <holstein> crazy fast too
[04:56] <dax2112rush> holstein: yes, I'm using vsthost in wine right now, but I'd like to try running them under some linux host
[04:56] <dax2112rush> holstein: i'll have a look, are there any sound clips anywhere?
[04:57] <holstein> hmmm
[04:57] <dax2112rush> holstein: found some
[04:58] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9bIElOUOX4
[04:58] <holstein> yeah
[04:58] <holstein> :)
[04:59] <LK> hello
[04:59]  * holstein did this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/osmp30.ogg
[04:59] <holstein> in rakarrack ;)
[04:59] <holstein> hey LK :)
[05:00] <LK> I'm having a problem with exporting files in LMMS... I'm using Windows, but #LMMS suggested I try asking here for help, anyway
[05:00] <dax2112rush> holstein: seems quite ok, not sure amp sim is on par with Revalver MKIII, but I should give it a try
[05:01] <dax2112rush> holstein: thanks
[05:03] <LK> I made a clip that's four bars long at 140 bpm, and when I export it, I get an 8 second file, but the four bars only take up the first six seconds, with two seconds of silence at the end
[05:04] <holstein> dax2112rush: those guys are super cool too
[05:04] <holstein> transmorgramofix over in #rakarrack
[05:04] <holstein> i sure they are open to suggestions :)
[05:05] <LK> does anyone know what's going on, here? how I might go about fixing it?
[05:05] <holstein> LK: what program?
[05:05] <LK> LMMS
[05:05] <holstein> AH
[05:05] <dax2112rush> holstrein: I hope one day I'll be able to spare some time and contribute to some of those projects, I have a few ideas I'd like to try to make amp sims...
[05:06] <holstein> dax2112rush: dude
[05:06] <holstein> try and meet that guy ^^
[05:06] <holstein> transmogramofx
[05:06] <holstein> really good people
[05:06]  * holstein is a rakarrack fanboy :)
[05:07] <LK> ah?
[05:07]  * holstein is not super familiar with LMMS LK 
[05:07] <dax2112rush> holstein: I should, I'll try rakarrak soon
[05:07] <LK> oh, ok
[05:07] <holstein> from what i know runs both MIDI and audio
[05:07] <holstein> is this mostly MIDI?
[05:08] <holstein> what is generating your sounds?
[05:08] <holstein> LMMS?
[05:08] <LK> it's audio
[05:08] <holstein> LK: is the exported track playing at the wrong speed?
[05:09] <holstein> or is it just the extra 2 seconds your dealing with?
[05:10] <holstein> LK: hey, there is a #lmms channel :)
[05:10]  * holstein just checked
[05:10] <holstein> lots of folk got soured on it i think
[05:11] <holstein> because it wasnt really working well with JACK for a long time
[05:11] <LK> yeah, they're the ones that directed me here
[05:11] <holstein> lol
[05:11] <holstein> well, whats the issue?
[05:11] <holstein> is the track too short?
[05:11] <holstein> playing at a higher pitch?
[05:11] <holstein> LK: what are you exporting to?
[05:12] <holstein> i would try exporting to .wav
[05:12] <LK> I've tried both WAV and OGG
[05:12] <holstein> same results eh?
[05:12] <holstein> interesting
[05:12] <holstein> LK: has it ever worked?
[05:13] <LK> all four bars are there, they just end at the 6 second mark, and leave 2 seconds of silence
[05:13] <holstein> or is this your first expot?
[05:13] <holstein> LK: OH
[05:13] <holstein> well thats probably normal
[05:13] <holstein> you can open it up in audacity or soemthing
[05:13] <holstein> and shave it down
[05:13] <holstein> i bet theres an export setting somewhere in there
[05:13] <holstein> lead out
[05:13] <holstein> or silence
[05:14] <holstein> something like that
[05:14] <holstein> ALSO, in ardour
[05:14] <holstein> it matters where the markers are
[05:14] <holstein> you set the markers for the beginning and end
[05:14] <holstein> and ardour processes whatever is in between
[05:14] <holstein> maybe the 'end' is 2 seconds out
[05:15] <holstein> further over that you want it to be
[05:15] <holstein> LK: are you creating a loop?
[05:15] <LK> yeah
[05:16] <holstein> yeah, id probably just shave it down in audacity
[05:16] <holstein> you can loop the playback
[05:16] <holstein> and check that the edges are cool
[05:16] <holstein> where you want them to be
[05:16] <LK> weird... this time it gave 3 seconds of silence...
[05:16] <holstein> yeah, thats probably just the way it works
[05:17] <holstein> its not really expecting you to make a loop :)
[05:17] <LK> have you ever used Acid Pro?
[05:17] <holstein> nah
[05:17] <holstein> ive seen it in action though
[05:17] <LK> that's what I want to put it into
[05:18] <holstein> how many tracks did you record?
[05:18] <LK> loops?
[05:18] <holstein> in LMMS
[05:18] <holstein> how many tracks?
[05:18] <LK> just the one so far
[05:18] <holstein> AH
[05:19] <holstein> yeah, im not a big fan of audacity
[05:19] <holstein> but you can record right into it
[05:19] <holstein> LMMS might be a bit over-functional in the wrong direction for what your doing
[05:20] <holstein> you *can* multi-track in audactiy too
[05:20] <LK> I've heard Audacity is like Acid, but for the very short time that I saw Audacity, I didn't see any similarity
[05:20] <holstein> but its not ideal
[05:20] <holstein> totally do-able though
[05:20] <holstein> LK: nah
[05:20] <holstein> its not at all
[05:20] <holstein> its more like soundforge i think
[05:20] <holstein> or when i saw soundforge
[05:21] <holstein> version 4.something maybe?
[05:21] <LK> I personally haven't seen anything like Acid
[05:21] <holstein> i guess if i wanted to do that
[05:21] <holstein> i would just use some MIDI program
[05:22] <holstein> rosegarden or qtractor
[05:22] <holstein> and ardour
[05:22] <holstein> you cant just willy nilly drop loops in though
[05:22] <holstein> i thought LMMS was like that though
[05:22] <xcfdjse7en> dont wana sound obvious here but srsly if you're on a Windows box .. why dont you use something like FL or something ?
[05:22] <xcfdjse7en> @ LK
[05:23] <holstein> xcfdjse7en: is that fruity loops?
[05:23] <holstein> is that like acid?
[05:23] <LK> you mean instead of LMMS?
[05:23] <xcfdjse7en> yup
[05:23] <holstein> which one is the one where you can just drop loops in?
[05:23] <LK> that's Acid
[05:23] <holstein> and they kinda just take up whatever space they need
[05:23] <holstein> regardless of sound quality ;)
[05:24] <holstein> although, i thought it did a pretty good job of it
[05:24] <xcfdjse7en> yea
[05:24] <xcfdjse7en> I've been working with it since the 3rd vertion
[05:24] <xcfdjse7en> probably the only reason why I'm still using Windows
[05:25] <holstein> isnt LMMS *supposed* to do that?
[05:25] <holstein> i really just havnet needed to find something with that functionality
[05:25] <holstein> we should have something though
[05:25] <holstein> *should*
[05:28] <LK> I'm using LMMS instead of FL because I prefer OSS whenever I can
[05:29] <LK> like I said, Acid is the only program I've ever seen with looping functionality like it has
[05:29] <holstein> wonder if its a legal thing
[05:29] <LK> no clue
[05:29] <holstein> its not like it cant be done in linux
[05:30] <LK> if there's a Linux program that does it, it's not cross-platform...
[05:31] <holstein> #opensourcmusicians
[05:31] <holstein> ^^ cool place to hang, and ask wtf is up
[05:31] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians **
[05:33] <LK> think they might have a solution?
[05:34] <holstein> hmmm
[05:34] <holstein> maybe
[05:34] <holstein> smart guys over there
[05:34] <holstein> [lsd] is a MIDI guy
[05:35] <holstein> not really sure, its just a cool community
[05:35] <holstein> podshow and all that
[05:58] <dax2112rush> dssi-vst has a dependency on wine1.0. I've got wine1.3 installed that conflicts with wine1.0, is there something I can do to force it to install anyways?
[05:59] <holstein> hmmm
[05:59] <holstein> dax2112rush: im not sure about that
[05:59] <holstein> BUT it might be worth asking falktx
[05:59] <holstein> over in #kxstudio
[05:59] <holstein> he's not in right now
[06:00] <holstein> i konw he has worked on a lot of custom packages
[06:00] <holstein> and there is a PPA
[06:01] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[06:01] <dax2112rush> holstein: you really know who to ask for stuff :) next time I have any question, I'll come over here to help me find an expert :P
[06:01] <holstein> hehe
[06:01] <dax2112rush> holstein: I'll check tommorow if he's there
[06:02] <holstein> cool :)
[06:03] <dax2112rush> holstein: he's got a dssi-vst package, I wonder if it has that same dep problem...
[06:03] <holstein> dax2112rush: i dont think so
[06:04] <holstein> it should be compatible
[06:04] <holstein> dax2112rush: there are a lot of updates in that PPA
[06:04] <holstein> and i recently added it
[06:04] <holstein> and use it
[06:04] <holstein> in lucid
[06:04] <holstein> but dont just go willy nilly installing any of the kx-specific packages
[06:04] <holstein> you can break things
[06:05] <holstein> falk likes the KDE
[06:05] <holstein> dax2112rush: i use PPA purge in ubuntutweak too
[06:05] <holstein> if things go bad
[06:05] <holstein> but, you get JACK2 in there
[06:05] <holstein> and newer versions of ardour
[06:05] <holstein> and i think he said patched RT kernels
[06:06] <holstein> for the proprietary graphics drivers
[06:06] <holstein> smart guy
[06:06] <dax2112rush> holstein: yes lots of nice stuff
[06:07] <dax2112rush> holstein: I don't know what KXStudio is. Ubuntu Studio with KDE?
[06:08] <holstein> dax2112rush: not really
[06:08] <holstein> i mean, yeah
[06:08] <holstein> but he's working on other stuff too
[06:08] <holstein> the pulse-jack bridge
[06:08] <dax2112rush> ie pulse's  module-jack-sink and module-jack-src or some other bridge?
[06:09] <holstein> i dont use it
[06:09] <holstein> so im not sure about the particulars
[06:09] <holstein> bacially
[06:09] <holstein> with KX
[06:09] <holstein> JACK is running all the time
[06:09] <holstein> starts when you login
[06:09] <holstein> neat idea
[06:09] <dax2112rush> i'll have a look
[06:10] <holstein> i just use the newer packages :)
[06:10] <holstein> some of them have JACK support added
[06:10] <holstein> mumble is one that i wanted to use
[06:10] <holstein> with JACK
[06:10] <holstein> and i wanted to check out JACK2
[06:11] <dax2112rush> what are the changes in jack2?
[06:12] <holstein> i cant say ive noticed anything yet
[06:12] <holstein> i mean, it still works ;)
[06:12] <holstein> i just did it on my production box though last week
[06:12] <holstein> and havent really messed with it
[06:13] <dax2112rush> changes are under the hood I guess
[06:14] <dax2112rush> I can't see his dssi-vst package in synaptic... don't know what I'm doing wrong
[06:15] <holstein> dax2112rush: did you update?
[06:15] <holstein> refresh or whatever
[06:15] <holstein> reload
[06:15] <holstein> i think thats the button in synaptic
[06:16] <dax2112rush> holstein: i found it... seems like he has a ppa:falk-t-j and a ppa:falk-t-j/lucid ppa
[06:16] <dax2112rush> i had the first one only
[06:17] <dax2112rush> his dssi-vst installs fine :)
[06:18] <holstein> dax2112rush: :)
[06:49] <dax2112rush> holstein: ddsi-vst works with my plugin, fst does not tho
[06:50] <holstein> :/
[06:50] <dax2112rush> holstein: thanks a lot for your help
[06:50] <holstein> well, now you know
[06:50] <dax2112rush> i need some rest now! bye
[06:50] <holstein> dax2112rush: anytime :)
[06:50] <holstein> gn
[08:14] <Jim-_-> 869
[08:16] <astraljava> You were sayin'?
[08:16] <Jim-_-> testing
[08:16] <Jim-_-> :)
[08:16] <astraljava> Gotcha. :)
[15:48] <prep> Having issues with printer, found driver that's near, but quality is less than desired. Found some info in the Ubuntu board, need help installing.
[16:24] <astraljava> prep: Where are you stuck? What info did you find?
[16:25] <prep> found drivers on Canon Europe site, downloaded .tar, not sure how to install
[16:27] <prep> this post gives instructions :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1163533
[16:31] <astraljava> So you got a .tar file now, open resource manager, and double-click on it. You should be presented an archive manager, I suppose. Or are you terminal-capable?
[16:34] <prep> still learning my way around the terminal
[16:36] <prep> unpacked one, I have .deb file
[16:36] <astraljava> If you double-click on it, can you choose gdebi there?
[16:37] <prep> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: cnijfilter-common (>= 3.00)
[16:39] <astraljava> The instructions say it works only on karmic (9.10), which version are you running?
[16:40] <prep> Maverick.
[16:40] <astraljava> Wait, you only have *one* .deb file when you untar the package?
[16:40] <astraljava> Ooh.
[16:41] <prep> No there's a few, one for printer, and scanner
[16:41] <astraljava> So is there one with that name, that's not satisfiable?
[16:41] <prep> The Ubuntu repo pulls a MP 180, mine is a 190. Only gives me 600x600DPI printing, when it's capable of 4800x1200
[16:42] <prep> yes E cnijfilter-common  is not
[16:42] <astraljava> I mean is one of the .debs from that .tar named as such?
[16:43] <astraljava> If yes, then install that first.
[16:46] <prep> ok gave me the error after running for a minute of : Failed to complete install all dependencies" To fix this run sudo apt-get install-f" in Terminal window. I did, got another error
[16:47] <astraljava> What's the other error?
[16:49] <prep> E: Invalid operation install-f
[16:50] <astraljava> Oh, I assumed that was a typo. There's a space between install and -f.
[16:51] <prep> ok, running now
[16:52] <prep> what next
[16:54] <astraljava> Have you installed all the packages that came in that .tar?
[16:56] <prep> second one, the one i tried to install first gave same error, brought up Software Manager, but this time gave me option to install. The gave error: There seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon, the software that allows you to install/remove software and to perform other package management related tasks. Please report this error at http://launchpad.net/aptdaemon/+filebug and retry
[16:57] <astraljava> Doesn't look like Maverick is all too ready just yet. Might wanna give it a go a month from now.
[16:58] <prep> crap. need my printer for work.
[16:58] <astraljava> Work should not be done on a distro that's still during its devel cycle.
[16:59] <prep> like I said worked with MP180 driver, but only 600x600DPI, and it's always been that way, even on Lucid stable
[16:59] <astraljava> But okay, let's try it in terminal, screw apt-daemon.
[16:59] <prep> ok
[17:00] <astraljava> Open one, cd to the directory where you have the .tar. Do `ls', and can you see the .debs there?
[17:00] <astraljava> If not, do `tar xf *.tar'.
[17:01] <astraljava> If yes, do `sudo dpkg -i *.deb'
[17:01] <prep> .tar is in my downloads folder
[17:01] <astraljava> Okay, might wanna create a sub-folder or move it someplace else where you don't have anything else.
[17:02] <astraljava> If you wanna create a sub-folder, do `mkdir tmp', then `mv <filename> tmp/'
[17:02] <astraljava> Replace <filename> with the name of the .tar file.
[17:03] <astraljava> Then `cd tmp/'
[17:03] <prep> ok created printer folder
[17:03] <astraljava> Then `tar xf *.tar', and `sudo dpkg -i *.deb'.
[17:03] <astraljava> Alright, have you moved the .tar there?
[17:03] <prep> no, do I need to?
[17:04] <astraljava> Yes, by `mv <filename> tmp/', and remember to replace <filename> with the name of the .tar file.
[17:04] <holstein> you cant set the quality on the one from the repo prep ?
[17:04] <prep> Holstein, no 600x600 is the most the 180 driver gives me other than automatic
[17:05] <holstein> prep: did you try forcing another version?
[17:06] <prep> well it changes the name to the correct printer, how do I force another version?
[17:06] <holstein> ive done it a couple ways
[17:06] <holstein> but in the wizard you can
[17:06] <prep> reintalling 180 now
[17:06] <holstein> AH
[17:07] <holstein> astraljava: holla :)
[17:07] <prep> you running him off?
[17:07]  * holstein hopes not :/
[17:08] <prep> ok, when installing, ran "searching for 190" after I seleced 180 driver, then a window came up asking me to choose a driver again
[17:09] <holstein> well
[17:09] <holstein> when i have doen this inthe past
[17:09] <prep> printing test page
[17:09] <holstein> i have trouble shooted using up to 10 or so different drivers
[17:09] <prep> ok working as usual, so how do I force another version?
[17:09] <astraljava> Hey holstein. :)
[17:10] <holstein> i would just do it int he wizard
[17:10] <holstein> i want to add a new printer
[17:10] <holstein> here it is, and this is what it is
[17:10] <holstein> i forget how that looks
[17:11] <prep> the printer wizard?>
[17:11] <holstein> yeah
[17:11] <holstein> the 'add a printer' wizard
[17:11] <prep> ok, there
[17:12] <prep> shows my printer connected
[17:12] <holstein> yup
[17:12] <holstein> you can get rid of that one
[17:12] <holstein> since it aint 'giving up the funk'
[17:12] <holstein> and click on 'add'
[17:12] <prep> nah just lets me select devices, I did add, another one
[17:13] <prep> There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-not-found    when trying to delete
[17:14] <holstein> might have to go to http://localhost:631/
[17:14] <prep> got it deleted
[17:15] <prep> ok add printer
[17:15] <holstein> yeah, and just tell it its a different printer
[17:15] <holstein> there is also a place to use a different driver
[17:15]  * holstein phone
[17:18] <prep> selected MP 220, still only giving 600 dpi
[17:20] <prep> under the 180 and 220 driver, print quality is off compared to recent
[17:24] <holstein> prep: thats how you do it
[17:25] <prep> well weird thing is with my 180, least I was getting decent images, now total crap
[17:25] <prep> now 180 is crap
[17:25] <holstein> thats OK
[17:26] <holstein> you dont want to use that one anyway right??
[17:26] <holstein> lets look to the future, when your printing at whatever resolution you want :)
[17:26] <prep> So how far from the original driver should I go? I went to the 220
[17:28] <holstein> heres a good read http://forums.linux-foundation.org/read.php?25,9258,11952
[17:28] <holstein> prep: i have literally tried 10+ different ones
[17:29] <holstein> at times
[17:33] <prep> Looking
[17:34] <prep> went to a 360, still stuck at 600, gee's
[17:38] <holstein> prep: did you have the printer uninstalled before trying that .deb?
[17:38] <prep> yes
[17:38] <holstein> hmmm
[17:39] <holstein> prep: lets go back to that
[17:40] <holstein> because there really shouldnt much different about karmic and lucid
[17:40] <holstein> OH
[17:40] <holstein> prep: your running maverick :/
[17:40] <holstein> yeah, you might just have to wait like astraljava suggested
[17:40] <holstein> til it goes final
[17:40] <holstein> and go from there
[17:41] <holstein> prep: you can contact cannon and ask for a .ppd
[17:41] <prep> cannon who?
[17:42] <holstein> D'oh
[17:42] <holstein> i mean canon
[17:43]  * holstein is downloading the debian tar from canon
[17:43] <prep> Are some printer brands supported better than others?
[17:43] <holstein> but i still cant test in maverick :/
[17:43] <holstein> prep: some comanies in general are more friendly
[17:44] <holstein> but i think this is an issue of keeping up with changes
[17:44] <holstein> canon has a driver
[17:44] <holstein> and i bet it works in debian
[18:16] <astraljava> Still you can try installing in terminal if apt-daemon fails...
[18:47] <holstein> astraljava: dude split :/
[18:47] <holstein> yeah, i think those .debs would work
[18:47] <astraljava> holstein: They often do... ;)
[18:47] <holstein> prep will be back though :)
[18:47] <astraljava> I mean the splitting.
[18:48] <holstein> 'i have a protools mbox and 3 minutes... GO'
[18:48] <holstein> lol
[18:48] <astraljava> HEhehe. :)
[18:48] <holstein> i was the same though
[18:48] <holstein> trying to get my firepod working
[18:48] <holstein> in the beginning
[18:49] <astraljava> Yeah, the thing is, not everybody learns. :)
[18:49] <holstein> hehe
[20:50] <rebirth> what is a good program for doing simple multi track midi arranging?
[20:51] <holstein> i think rosegarden is what most folk do
[20:51] <holstein> qtractor too maybe?
[20:51] <rebirth> what about ardour?
[20:51] <holstein> not yet
[20:51] <holstein> version 3 :)
[20:52] <holstein> coming soon
[20:52] <holstein> usually people use ardour and rosegarden
[20:52] <holstein> or ardour and something else
[20:52] <rebirth> it doesn't do midi yet?
[20:52] <holstein> not yet
[20:52] <holstein> really doesnt need to
[20:53] <holstein> but im glad to see its coming
[20:53] <rebirth> checking out rosegarden
[20:54] <rebirth> not getting any sound from it, i'm using pulse
[20:55] <holstein> yup
[20:55] <holstein> it doesnt make any sounds
[20:56] <holstein> you use whatever sounds you want it to control
[20:56] <holstein> any softsynth that JACK sees
[20:57] <rebirth> *sigh*
[20:57] <holstein> yeah?
[20:57] <rebirth> i don't have any softsynths
[20:57] <holstein> sure you do
[20:58] <holstein> zynaddsubfx
[20:58] <rebirth> and i don't really know how to use jack
[20:58] <holstein> yoshime
[20:58] <holstein> yoshime
[20:58] <holstein> rebirth: AH
[20:58] <holstein> yeah
[20:58] <holstein> JACK is key
[20:58] <holstein> thats when the linux audio goodness starts to really shine :)
[20:59] <rebirth> do you know of a quickstart guide of some kind?
[20:59] <macinnisrr> rebirth: if you want something easy to jump into without knowing jack, try LMMS or Hydrogen (or both).
[21:01] <holstein> rebirth: its really challenging to find a guide for JACK
[21:01] <rebirth> LMMS looks a lot like FL Studio
[21:01] <holstein> since all hardware is different
[21:01] <holstein> rebirth: what hardware are you using?
[21:02] <rebirth> an maudio ozone (usb midi device/audio in out)
[21:02] <holstein> hmmm
[21:02] <holstein> does it work right now?
[21:02] <rebirth> yeah it's working with pulse
[21:02] <holstein> cool
[21:02] <holstein> SO
[21:02] <rebirth> had some trouble originally but got it working
[21:02] <holstein> open a terminal
[21:02] <holstein> type
[21:02] <holstein> sudo adduser rebirth audio
[21:03] <holstein> replace rebirth with whatever your username is on that box
[21:03] <rebirth> i think i did that before
[21:03] <rebirth> it says i'm already a member
[21:03] <holstein> cool
[21:03] <holstein> open jack control
[21:04] <holstein> ALSO
[21:04] <holstein> go here
[21:04] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/
[21:04] <holstein> so i can reference those images with what you looking at
[21:05] <holstein> rebirth: what kernel are you using?
[21:05] <holstein> rebirth: go to a terminal and run
[21:05] <holstein> uname -a
[21:05] <holstein> and gimme that here
[21:05] <rebirth> jack is coming up all grey
[21:05] <holstein> rebirth: you didnt start it did you?
[21:05] <holstein> dont start it
[21:06] <rebirth> no i just launched JACK control
[21:06] <holstein> hmmm
[21:06] <rebirth> nothing is showing up in the windows, just grey
[21:06] <holstein> well, lets move on
[21:06] <holstein> and hopefully that will work its self out
[21:06] <rebirth> Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-24-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 16 14:17:33 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:06] <holstein> OK
[21:06] <holstein> in the main JACK window
[21:07] <holstein> screenshot 1
[21:07] <holstein> on that link
[21:07] <holstein> can you click on 'setup' ?
[21:07] <rebirth> no i can't see any of that
[21:07] <rebirth> it's just a grey window
[21:07] <holstein> acutally
[21:07] <holstein> i got the incorrect link
[21:07] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[21:07] <holstein> rebirth: can you close it ?
[21:08] <rebirth> i relaunched it again.. no change :-(
[21:08] <holstein> OK
[21:08] <rebirth> it used to work, it must have gotten corrupted somehow
[21:08] <holstein> open a terminal
[21:08] <holstein> try sudo qjackctl
[21:08] <rebirth> i have to force quit it
[21:08] <holstein> did you tell it to automatically start?
[21:08] <rebirth> that worked
[21:09] <holstein> rebirth: sudo qjackctl worked?
[21:09] <holstein> lets look at the settings then
[21:09] <rebirth> yeah it launched correctly with that command
[21:09] <holstein> click 'setup'
[21:09] <holstein> and lets look around a bit
[21:09] <rebirth> ok
[21:09] <holstein> you should see
[21:09] <holstein> the 2nd screenshot at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[21:09] <holstein> on the left
[21:10] <holstein> uncheck the box for realtime
[21:10] <holstein> and in the middle
[21:10] <holstein> what is frames/period?
[21:10] <rebirth> 1024
[21:10] <holstein> samplerate 44100 ?
[21:10] <rebirth> yup
[21:10] <holstein> periods/buffer?
[21:11] <rebirth> 2
[21:11] <holstein> priority default?
[21:11] <rebirth> yeah
[21:11] <holstein> cool
[21:11] <holstein> on the right
[21:11] <holstein> can you find your device?
[21:11] <holstein> in the screenshot
[21:12] <holstein> it says hw:0
[21:12] <holstein> there's a couple of arrows to click
[21:12] <rebirth> i've got my ozone selected
[21:12] <holstein> to expand
[21:12] <holstein> rebirth: COOL
[21:12] <holstein> hmmm
[21:12] <holstein> bottom right
[21:12] <holstein> latency?
[21:12] <rebirth> default
[21:12] <holstein> 40 something?
[21:12] <rebirth> oh there
[21:12] <rebirth> 46.4
[21:12] <holstein> the ver bottom
[21:12] <holstein> cool
[21:13] <holstein> that should work with your kernel for now
[21:13] <holstein> SO
[21:13] <holstein> save
[21:13] <holstein> WELL
[21:13] <rebirth> save a preset?
[21:13] <holstein> say OK
[21:13] <holstein> but go back there
[21:13] <holstein> and look under
[21:13] <holstein> misc
[21:14] <holstein> and make sure that 'start jack when launched' is *not* selected
[21:14] <rebirth> ok it's not
[21:14] <holstein> cool
[21:14] <holstein> say OK
[21:14] <holstein> and try starting JACK
[21:14] <rebirth> started
[21:15] <holstein> cool
[21:15] <holstein> so thats how it'll look
[21:15] <holstein> when everything is right
[21:15] <rebirth> sweet
[21:15] <rebirth> now how do i get some sound?
[21:15] <holstein> *always* stop JACK before closing
[21:15] <holstein> but lets stop and close it
[21:15] <holstein> and try to get it running as normal user
[21:16] <holstein> you dont want to run JACK sudo normally
[21:16] <rebirth> well i tried launching it not from the terminal and it's grey again
[21:16] <holstein> interesting
[21:16] <holstein> forece close it
[21:16] <rebirth> same thing happens when i run qjackctl
[21:16] <holstein> and open a termainal
[21:16] <holstein> and run
[21:16] <holstein> qjackctl
[21:17] <holstein> and see what the terminal says is going on
[21:17] <rebirth> brb sorry
[21:18] <rebirth> ok back
[21:18] <holstein> yeah, now i gotta do something ;)
[21:18] <holstein> ....
[21:18] <rebirth> it says Suspending PulseAudio
[21:18] <rebirth> ok
[21:22] <holstein> rebirth: you might want to pop over into #jack
[21:23] <holstein> and just say that your able to run qjackctl and start jack as root
[21:23] <holstein> but as normal user it greys out
[21:24] <rebirth> i will later, can we continue using root?
[21:24] <holstein> you have to start everthing else as root
[21:24] <holstein> i wouldnt
[21:24] <holstein> you can really mess things up
[21:25] <holstein> i bet you can start jack from the command line
[21:25] <holstein> and it would be cool
[21:26] <rebirth> ok i'll hop on over to #jack
[21:26] <holstein> rebirth: i would prbably try logging out and back in
[21:26] <holstein> or restarting even
[21:26] <rebirth> ok
[21:26] <holstein> but i dought thats it
[21:26] <rebirth> doing it
[21:26] <holstein> those guys will no
[21:26] <holstein> know*
[21:26] <holstein> the #jack folk :)
[21:31] <rebirth> holstein: restart fixed it
[21:31] <holstein> rebirth: w00t
[21:31] <holstein> who knows
[21:32] <holstein> if i was more savy i would know what to restart without restarting the machine :/
[21:32] <holstein> but whatever
[21:32] <holstein> its working
[21:32] <holstein> thats awesome
[21:32] <rebirth> yeah
[21:32] <holstein> SO
[21:32] <holstein> in the 'setup' area
[21:32] <holstein> the settings frames/period
[21:33] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[21:33] <holstein> those are the ones we tweak to get lower latency
[21:33] <holstein> you might be able to get close to 20ms latency
[21:33] <holstein> but i wouldnt worry about that til you find a need to
[21:34] <holstein> now you can see and experiment with JACK
[21:34] <holstein> and routing software through it
[21:34] <rebirth> yeah i'm just going to be entering notes via the piano roll for now
[21:34] <holstein> you see the button 'connect'
[21:34] <holstein> thats where you do the routing
[21:34] <rebirth> ok
[21:35] <holstein> you'll see your sound cards in and outs
[21:35] <holstein> and if you start rosegarden
[21:35] <holstein> you'll see the audio ins and outs
[21:35] <holstein> and MIDI ins and outs
[21:35] <rebirth> shall i start rosegarden/
[21:35] <holstein> just click on the + signs
[21:35] <holstein> to expand the entries
[21:35] <holstein> rebirth: sure
[21:35] <holstein> im really not going to be much help in there though
[21:35] <holstein> i dont do much MIDI
[21:35] <holstein> BUT
[21:36] <holstein> you can try #opensourcemusicians
[21:36] <holstein> and i would suggest that
[21:36] <holstein> because some people have other alternatives to rosegarden
[21:36] <holstein> rebirth: but your on the right track
[21:37] <holstein> if you open rose garden
[21:37] <holstein> and any softsynth
[21:37] <holstein> you'll see how to connect them
[21:37] <rebirth> ok i'll play around and see what i can do
[21:37] <holstein> and i think you can make connections in rosegarden too
[21:38] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[21:38] <holstein> these are some tutorials by [lsd[ from #opensourcemusicians
[21:38] <holstein> he's my MIDI go-to guy :)
[21:38] <rebirth> i'm getting sound!
[21:38] <holstein> w00t :)
[21:39] <rebirth> it's outputting through my laptop speakers tho, not my nice audio interface
[21:39] <holstein> hmmm
[21:39] <holstein> well, you should double check in 'setup'
[21:39] <holstein> in JACK
[21:39] <holstein> and make sure you have the ozone selected
[21:40] <holstein> rebirth: but i would just mess around in there
[21:40] <holstein> your not trying to get a clean signal into the computer right now
[21:40] <holstein> and the MIDI will be exported
[21:40] <holstein> SO the internal card will do fine for this
[21:40] <holstein> right now
[21:41]  * holstein gotta go eat
[21:41] <holstein> rebirth: i think you got a good start on it though :)
[21:41] <holstein> BBL..
[21:42] <rebirth> thank you
[21:42] <holstein> anytime
[22:39] <cannonfodder> anyone here use lmms?