[00:00] oh em gee.. it is actually downloading this time around [00:00] But it gives an error while starting that it wants sun java :) [00:00] still, the packet loss is worrisome [00:26] WXZ: welcome [00:26] hi idleone [00:26] back to the topic, adding old versions' repositories [00:26] for the purpose of installing old versions of apps [00:26] what could go wrong? [00:26] complete data loss [00:26] dependency issues [00:27] for starters [00:27] complete data loss is a strong possibility also [00:27] I don't understand how, but I'll trust you [00:27] so the question is, how do I get old versions of applications if not that way? [00:28] hi all. can someone help me with ubuntu 10.10 grub? [00:28] application XY in karmic depends on lib1 but lib1 is now lib3 in maverick. 10 apps depends on lib3 but you have lib1 because you need the older version for appXY [00:28] that's what I thought IdleOne [00:29] causing multiple apps not to work right [00:29] so lib1 replaces lib3? [00:29] well the way apt works is it will always favor the newest version available [00:29] and thereby, those 10 apps which need lib3 don't have it anymore.. right [00:29] yes [00:30] ok, so ... does lib1 replace lib3 or not, I'm confused [00:30] breaking everything [00:30] WXZ: it will if you force it to [00:30] would downloading an app (from an old repository) which depends on lib1 be forcing it to? [00:30] after it all breaks down you come back and tell us how much ubuntu is the sux and Ubuntu is crappy.... [00:31] you will need to also install the old lib so yes [00:31] WXZ, back up data now [00:31] bazhang, all my data's always backed up [00:31] I would backup like bazhang is saying and then do a fresh install [00:31] WXZ, then remove all karmic repos, but it may well be too late [00:31] the only thing I installed was tomboy from the old repo [00:31] don't mix the repos! [00:31] WXZ: why do you need the older tomboy? [00:31] even if I installed just ONE package [00:31] seriously consider a fresh install [00:32] because this one doesn't like crontab [00:32] WXZ: yes one package might have 10 depends and many other apps depend on the same ones [00:32] WXZ, its maverick. its still in beta. [00:32] but tomboy specifically, it's got like 1 dependency [00:32] if you need a stable release then 10. [00:32] 04 [00:32] 10.04* [00:33] already iffy enough without adding older repos. [00:33] I haven't had any problems though idleone [00:33] WXZ, yet [00:33] and that version of tomboy, from 10.04.. doesn't work with crontab eitherway [00:34] well it is up to you. but it is not supported and when something breaks we can't help because you don't have a supported "default" install [00:34] after you install tomboy 1.0+, crontab fails [00:34] report a bug on that [00:34] ok, ok... let me check the dependencies on tomboy1.0 [00:34] it's a known bug idleone [00:34] crontab has problems with x-apps [00:34] WXZ, go back to lucid then, wait until maverick is released [00:34] they are probably working hard on it [00:35] or install karmic [00:35] if the karmic version works [00:35] ok, if *nothing* breaks [00:35] IF yeah [00:35] wait, so I'm not allowed to have old versions... of -anything-? [00:35] not if, when [00:35] no [00:35] so how do I get old versions of things? [00:36] you dont [00:36] .... that's, pretty bad :| [00:36] WXZ: the computer is yours, do what you want with it. we are just telling you that it is not supported for a reason. things ALWAYS break when people mix older apps with newer release and vice versa [00:37] ok, but *if* (I live in a magical universe) it doesn't break [00:37] maybe not right away but sooner or later [00:37] no it's not bad. it's a beta. stick with regular repos, and file bugs [00:37] no, I mean the whole concept of *not being allowed to install older apps* [00:37] is pretty bad [00:37] any way its moot. [00:37] features, and looks, themes are constantly changed w/ new releases of apps [00:37] its not supported [00:38] maybe crontab is broken right now because of a security issue? [00:38] I don't think it's crontab's fault [00:38] I don't know but I know that if it isn't working for me in maverick I report the bug and wait for it to be fixed [00:38] ok, back to the issue though... [00:39] so if I don't like the *new* tomboy or the *new* pidgin, I have to change my entire operating system [00:39] to get it back to the way it was... even if I like everything else? [00:39] hard to answer that. [00:40] well that's what bazhang suggested [00:40] but to keep your system in a stable working state, yes [00:40] "(07:35:53 PM) WXZ: so how do I get old versions of things? [00:40] (07:36:02 PM) bazhang: you don't" [00:40] WXZ, correct [00:40] well can I atleast get newer versions, on older operating systems? [00:40] WXZ, stick with whatever system you want [00:40] same problem arises with the depends [00:41] that's a very serious drawback [00:41] WXZ, with backports or proposed, sometimes [00:41] WXZ, and extras.ubuntu.com with the release of maverick [00:41] how do i make it so i can execute a program that is on a fat32 flash drive? [00:41] there is backports, that has a lot of newer apps back ported to older release [00:41] oh, ok idleone [00:41] so you can go up... just through backports [00:42] I *am* gonna keep it this way though, if it *doesn't* blow up... what do I do? [00:42] safest bet is to stick with the repos that are meant for the release. if there is backports (which is use at your own risk) then yeah they are normaly safe to use [00:42] WXZ, then zero support [00:43] that's cool bazhang [00:43] but wouldn't that be contradictory to your theory? [00:43] hey, do you guys find it acceptable that the iwl3945 driver will be non-functional for the 6th release in a row? [00:44] WXZ: the packages in backports are built to work on the older release so say tomboy from lucid is backported to karmic. it /should/ work fine [00:44] I understand idleone [00:44] where can I make the suggestion that 'there should be a warning message if you're adding old repos" [00:45] WXZ, its a well known fact [00:45] because if it can cause as serious problems as you guys are saying, then it shouldn't be so easy for the user to do so [00:45] I didn't know it bazhang [00:45] there is ( or at least I think there is) when you add a unsupported repo [00:45] WXZ, you should read up on ubuntu , I would suggest the manual [00:46] WXZ, at any rate brainstorm, if you feel it truly merits it [00:46] !brainstorm > WXZ [00:46] WXZ, please see my private message [00:46] ok [00:46] !manual > WXZ [00:46] if you edit the sources.list manually then I don't think you get a warning but it is presumed that if you are editing the sources.list by hand you already know what you are doing. [00:47] that's true, I did do it manually [00:47] :) [00:47] ok, let me see if it gives me an error message if I do it nonmanually [00:47] if it doesn't that would be a good bug to report. [00:48] nope, it doesn't [00:48] bug report time [00:48] add repositories > other sources > add source "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic main universe restricted multiverse" [00:48] just told me "new repositories you should reload" [00:49] did you reload to see what happens? [00:49] that's not word for word btw [00:49] when I reloaded, nothing really happened [00:49] it just downloaded a couple packages [00:49] then I agree that there should be some sort of warning. [00:49] it updated the cache [00:50] maybe not idleone, it might not be showing me the packages from the old repository anyway [00:50] because I actually had to turn off the maverick repos to see the karmic-tomboy packages [00:50] otherwise it just wasn't showing me them [00:51] I'll still add it to brainstorm though [00:51] so yeah it favors newest available version [00:51] ok [00:57] How the heck is Linux Mint Debian ''faster'' than Ubunt [00:57] Viper550, its not. and its a derivative so unsupported, and offtopic [00:57] I say this because [00:58] If we figure out what they're doing differently, Ubuntu could be made faster. [00:58] try #ubuntu-offtopic [00:58] or would -devel be better? [00:58] not a support or chat channel, so no [00:59] don't get where you're getting that from, since trying to make the OS faster would be development related [01:00] more like a wishlist. [01:00] feel free to put it on brainstorm [01:01] would it be okay to download packages as long as they don't *downgrade* existing packages [01:01] WXZ, you fixed the repos? [01:01] yes bazhang, I did [01:01] ... [01:01] WXZ, paste.ubuntu.com with sources.list please [01:02] people really don't give a **** do they? [01:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/495609/ [01:02] era, watch the language [01:03] ubuntu bot. do your work. bug 340418. bug 581936. [01:03] Launchpad bug 340418 in Linux "iwl3945 slow down after some time to 100kbps, unload/load module return speed to 1.5mbps" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340418 [01:03] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/581936) [01:03] WXZ, that's not the entire list [01:03] yes, it is [01:03] that's the entire file [01:04] I can screenshot if you want [01:05] I still have the karmic community-maintained repository for some reason though :\ [01:06] bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/495610/ << that's my complete sources.list [01:08] WXZ, that's odd, as my maverick sources.list is quite a bit more extensive [01:09] let me see your bazhang [01:09] I can replace yours with mine, won't bother me [01:10] would the global category for my idea be usability or security? [01:13] ok, I'm putting usability I guess [01:14] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25875/ [01:17] hi, will texlive 2010 be inluded in ubuntu 10.10? [01:18] !find texlive [01:18] Found: texlive, texlive-base, texlive-bibtex-extra, texlive-binaries, texlive-common, texlive-doc-base, texlive-doc-bg, texlive-doc-cs+sk, texlive-doc-de, texlive-doc-en (and 84 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=texlive&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all [01:18] !info texlive [01:18] texlive (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: A decent selection of the TeX Live packages. In component main, is optional. Version 2009-10 (maverick), package size 27 kB, installed size 124 kB [01:18] hehe [01:18] Probably not. [01:18] We are past feature freeze, aren't we? [01:18] extras.ubuntu.com might or proposed [01:19] too bad [01:19] dont know if PPA will still be around for 10.10 with extras now [01:20] !extras [01:20] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [01:20] nope [01:29] Question: is there anything in Ubuntu 10.10 that would cause my Intel 5300 wireless card (using the autoassigned iwlagn driver) to have pathetic speeds? (transferring files at 5 to 10 mbit/s on an n network whereas with i.e. win7 it was more like 80-90 mbit/s) === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez === ccooke_ is now known as ccooke [02:14] I'm trying to install proprietary drivers for my wireless, but I always get this error: "SystemError: installArchives() failed". Any hints? [02:39] how do i fix fglrx..says no displays.. i just upgraded to beta this evening? [02:40] I am having trouble with wine, i installed it, purged it, now when I reinstall.....no shortcuts in main menu....is there a way to get those back? [02:42] help please anyone? [02:52] anyone here? [02:53] okedoke [03:07] I am running Kubuntu 10.10 beta, everything has been working pretty well, last night I downloaded the system updates and installed then went to bed, I just rebooted for first time and now my SSID is not being identified via wireless. Any ideas on how I can get it back? I just wired to my router and downloaded latest updates for tonight but no cigar, last nights updates put a new kernel line in me GRUB too. [03:08] Btw, my Android identifies and connects to my SSID just fine, just me Kubuntu that won't see it nor connect. [03:08] I am also getting a KDE Daemon crash after every reboot since last nights update. [03:29] Software in the partner repository such as skype & acroread is apparently considered "technical" and hidden by default even if I've enabled the partner repository. [03:29] would I report that as a bug against software-center ? [03:32] jbicha: maverick? [03:35] nigelb: yes [03:36] I think the partner repo isn't ready yet for maverick. [03:37] well the repo is active [04:06] Hey all, what's the deal with the new theme? Is there going to be a fix for the loss of window resize corners on most apps? I use the theme PPA on my Lucid, and it's kinda annoying, though I do love the whole theme and get around with by resizing via keystroke. [04:06] Surprsied to see that's its not a lucid thing but rather a theme thing.. just tried the latest daily of maverick and it's there too. [04:09] avi_: You don't need an icon in the bottom right corner to resize an application window. That is what you mean, right? [04:09] I'm talking about the drag-handle that is currently a series of dots in a triangle that let you click and resize a window [04:10] they are in certain apps, such as nautilus, but not in most others. [04:10] when i say currently i mean the new style that just got added to the Maverick theme. [04:11] I don't think that has anything to do what theme you're using, I'm noticing the same difference when I switch to Clearlooks for instance [04:12] oh, you're right. [04:12] However, that never used to be.. [04:12] the application designer can add that "grippie" thing if he likes, but it's not needed, you just hover your mouse over the edge of the app until it changes to the "drag-action" thing [04:12] and it only happened after an update to the theme [04:12] maybe it's a gtk thing [04:13] that's not the reason the grippie thing exists tho [04:13] it's because there's not enough drag surface [04:13] like it becomes tedious to hunt for the right pixels to drag [04:13] i'm not sure what it is exactly, [04:13] maybe the grippie is only there if the app uses a status bar [04:13] but i know its something to do with a change in Ubuntu, because all of those windows could be resized with handles before [04:14] interesting theory [04:14] let me check [04:14] turn off the status bar in Nautilus, for instance [04:15] wait how might I do that? [04:15] uncheck View>Statusbar [04:15] you're correct. [04:15] it is 100% caused by that [04:16] but it didn't *used* to be. [04:17] i sure hope this isn't a permanent thing.. it SERIOUSLY reduces usablity for most people I'd think. [04:17] avi_: tiny resize area? yeah, it sucks. [04:17] I strongly suspect the change (if it was a change) was made by the Gnome or GTK developers and won't be reverted [04:18] DanaG, So I'm not alone [04:18] On my laptop, 1 pixel is literally 0.1728mm. [04:18] yeah it's a bit crazy [04:18] That's a damn small drag area. [04:18] that's impressive that you know that [04:18] http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html [04:18] if it WAS a gnome/gtk thing, i would def. hope that ubuntu fixes it downstream [04:18] avi_: you could try older Ubuntu Live CDs to pinpoint when it may have changed [04:18] 1920x1200, 15.4". Looks awesome once I get xorg to stop lying about DPI: [04:18] http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705 [04:19] jbicha, It changed because I use a PPA for the maverick themes [04:19] Freedesktop bug 23705 in Server/general "xserver 1.7.0rc0 uses wrong dimensions" [Normal,Reopened] [04:21] DanaG, So do you know what caused the change? [04:22] which PPA? because I'm still skeptical that the PPA was at fault [04:24] jbicha, [04:24] ppa:murrine-daily/ppa [04:24] you might be right, but i distinctly remember it coinciding with a theme update [04:25] perhaps its a murrine thing [04:28] it would appear that this is the go-to-bug [04:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311 [04:28] Launchpad bug 160311 in metacity "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]" [Low,In progress] [04:29] its assigned to a billion different projects.. including the Lucid paperclips cycle.. but never got fixed. [04:29] filed in 2007.. ! [05:31] When I started my Ubuntu Maverick laptop computer this morning, it reported: "s2disk: Snapshotting system." This message later disappeared from the display surface when booting continued. I could not find it in dmesg. What file does store this message? [05:35] Can anyone wise in this subject tell me if it's ok if my hard drive device name is located on /dev/sde [05:35] or should I reinstall. I just installed but I just wanna make sure no trouble will come because of this. [05:36] Arv3n: You will not get any major trouble. [05:36] Excellent, bullgard4_, thanks for the confirmation. [06:59] Having an issue with running an update. Its hanging on grub-pc on 10.10 beta x86. ps aux | grep dpkg results its trying to run a perl script that never finishes. it just hangs the update/package install indefinitely. [06:59] google hasnt given me anything helpful so-far, if anybody has any ideas i'm open to suggestions. === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [09:33] MarkDude: Hey :) awake? [09:34] I recently installed meerkat, and to my surprise i915-xserver whise it was much more stable then lucid [09:34] however, last update fscked up the i915 kms for i8xx chips again [09:39] I tried to see if it was due to kernel problems, but booting into one of the previous kernels did not solve the problem [10:04] does anybody know what's the story with pulseaudio in kubuntu maverick? Release notes say it's default, but I cannot find any evidence. In fact, KDE settings don't have pulseaudio at all [10:04] and phonon settings don't have pulseaudio as possible output device or backend [10:07] Hmm.. i always install ubuntu-desktp and kubuntu-desktop so my systems may be different. I recall seeing pulse settings in the kde apps.. but that ay be because the pulse audio server is running by default [10:16] oh, it seems pulse is running by default. However, KDE mixer only changes the raw backend devices. [10:16] and there's no way to pick default pulse out device [10:18] aha -- and default output device, as pavucontrol shows, is some "HDMI" thing [10:22] is padevchooser supposed to crash in kubuntu? [10:23] Yea.. programs are supposed to crash.. :) [10:23] if they did not crash.. it would not be beta.. [10:36] what is the reason vor kubuntu 10.10 being broken for a few days? [10:41] Dr_Willis: well, it's crashing that way since, like, 9.10 ;-) [10:43] Does anyone else sees 5x Personal contacts in the Akonadi resources? [10:44] Kubuntu starts, no plymouth appears but the text splash with the Ubuntu 10.10 text screen, shortly afterwards the KDE splash screen appears and at the moment where the last icon is supposed to appear (that KDE logo) X crashes and starts again and the whole process begins again [10:44] I cannot even switch to another tty because the X server grabs tty7 all the time [10:45] BajK: can you ssh in from a remote box? KDM seems to be crashing/restarting.. [10:45] Dr_Willis: it's virtualbox [10:45] BajK: you could still ssh in :) if you had ssh installed. [10:46] BajK: you may want to use the 'text' grub option, or recovery option so it starts with out X starting, and try to trouble shoot why KDM is crashing. [10:47] Dr_Willis: I can start the netrootconsole, but not failsafeX [10:47] well failsafeX starts, but is useless [10:47] BajK: what version of ubuntu is this anyway? [10:48] 10.10 [10:48] that's why I am in channel ubuntu+1 :D [10:48] Hmm.. ive not heard of anyone else having similer issues. [10:48] has it ever worked? [10:48] Dr_Willis: it worked just fine until last week i did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [10:48] yes, just fine [10:48] Not exactly the same here, but X doesn't work with the nouveau driver [10:48] I did restart it. but after updating it the same happened [10:48] So its possible if you can some how get to a terminall, and update/upgrade again. it Might be a fixed problem [10:49] Dr_Willis: i did this a few times [10:49] but if you just tried that.. well.. perhaps its time to check the bug reports. [10:49] because it was the first thing I thouhg could solve it [10:49] get to a command line and disable kdm from starting, and try to debug whats going on with it. [10:49] So, my fear is, that it is not just related to vbox but does not work on my PC either and I'll break my system with that^^ [10:49] Dr_Willis: how? [10:50] text boot option, or rescue/failsafe opthion at grub gets you to a command line... [10:50] so, i am at the rootshell now [10:50] you are on the system, i would install the ssh server for starters. :) that will make it easier to ssh in and try to 'fix' things. [10:51] openssh-server? [10:51] to disable kdm, you look in /etc/init/ there should be a kdm.conf file, rename it to kdm.DONTSTART [10:51] I think just 'ssh' pulls it in [10:51] !info openssh-server [10:51] openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. In component main, is optional. Version 1:5.5p1-4ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 294 kB, installed size 800 kB [10:52] ok ssh is installed now [10:52] and kdm disabled [10:52] ok I am at the console now [10:52] you Could go hardcore and set up the text option in /etc/default/grub that would pervent plymouth from startng also.. but thats a litle overkill [10:53] so console works, login, try 'startx' see if KDE works.. [10:54] 17: /usr/bin/X (blabla) Segmentation fault at address (nil) - Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault) Server aborting [10:54] thats nasty... [10:54] whats your video card anyway? [10:55] nVidia Geforce 250GTS [10:55] but I did not install guest extensions because they wouldn't on 10.10 [10:55] Oh yea.. virtualbox.. Hmm.. I dident try vbox and the guest addons here yet... [10:56] see if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you do - perhaps rename it. and try to startx again. [10:56] but it already worked... weird [10:56] Im just thinking of 'common' fix's for X crashing. [10:56] no theres none, i already checked that [10:56] id say tme to hit the forums then. [10:57] whats the Host os anyway? [10:58] Kubuntu 10.04 [10:58] If theres a known issue.. i bet there would be some forum posts. lots of people are testing 10.10 in vbox. [10:59] Other then that. im out of ideas [11:01] I wonder why the guest addations dont work.. [11:13] I just tried updating to 10.10 from 10.04 [11:13] towards the end, it froze [11:14] 'ps' tells me it was trying to run 'start smbd'. running 'sudo stop smbd' in another terminal unfroze it [11:14] should I report this somewhere? [11:19] s [11:19] dooglus: kill the smb process [11:19] the script it's trying to run [11:19] It'll continue then [11:19] Ian_corne: I ran 'sudo stop smbd' and that fixed the problem [11:20] Ian_corne: but this could be a problem for others too, right? [11:23] yes [11:23] so is this a bug in samba? or in the upgrade process? [11:45] what is the shortcut to reach the new search box in unity ? [11:47] Okay so upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 has rendered SMB dead purged it and reinstalled still no luck, any other suggestions [11:53] iShawnW: i had issues with samba last night. but it installed properly this morning. [11:53] I had to kill the package manger/dpkg/somthing when it hung during the isntall of samba. [11:54] I would try that but my box apeeas to have lost net... but yet still sharing its mouse.... [11:55] sounds like there may be deeper issues going on. [11:55] a few were in here earlier mentioning a kernel regression.. but i dont recall what it was affecting [11:55] that and I have a dropdown that hasn't disapeared for a while now even clicking on other windows [11:56] a menu? :) from what? [11:56] ive see the me menu - behave.. oddly befor [11:56] like the system menu dropdown [11:56] Its rebooting right now [11:56] Not seen that issue [11:58] seems a few dozen updates just got out.. i upgrade 8 hrs ago.. theres more now. [11:59] cute... Still can't download the updates, conneced to irc on same network and sharing the mouse and keyboard on synergy. [12:01] thats weird. [12:01] found it [12:01] can you ping the apt servers? [12:01] Google Chrome was the issue, its dl link was bad [12:01] unselected it and no more issues [12:01] This is why i tend to use the command line tools.. it would of kept on going I think.. [12:02] was this in the 'Software center' ? [12:02] normally I do but I am sitting at my desk and the desktop keyboard is closer [12:03] oh cute. need to reboot again, I see a new kernel [12:06] Yep. update... reboot.. oh wait an other update.. [12:06] beats updating xp or mac I have rebooted them like 5 times in a row [12:06] Yep. [12:06] see that a lot woth XP... [12:07] update/ reboot.. oh wait.. it auto loaded linux.. :) i get busy in linux.. 5 hrs later i reboot to xp.... it then continues the updates [12:07] WinBlows by Micro$oft [12:08] Seems theres been some 'updates' to windows lately that power off the machines ive noticed. or else they are supposed to reboot.. but they dont. [12:08] wife's pc seems to go off at least once a week. [12:08] this new laptop is my first time back on windows in like a year. [12:08] otherwise I don't update windows in my vm unless I need to [12:09] but I am nice and giving Winblows a chance to redeem themself with win7 [12:10] I still die and open up cmd and type linux commands [12:13] dang this Athlon is slow, two days with a quad core and I am already spoiled [12:16] Dr_Willis: /facepalm create a share with smb and nataulis crashes [12:16] this sucks [12:17] Trying that... [12:17] seems like nautilus did hang on the add the permissions.. stuff [12:18] hrm, System --> Preferences --> Personal File Sharing, It says I don't have the requied packages [12:33] i forget the package names somthing with samba in them. :) [12:39] okay so sharing dies when I say allow guest [12:39] oops [12:39] nautalis [12:41] screw this I am done [12:41] I am going to bed [13:25] Any known problem with nvidia ion? [13:26] Thinking about upgrading but want to be sure I still can play my 1080p in xbmc :) [13:52] Hi, can you tell me what is the shortcut to call the search box in unity ? how can I get the right click drop menu for a file in unity? By the way it looks gorgeous === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [14:17] is this where i can pose questions about the recent updates to KDE in the kubuntu 10.10 alpha/beta? [14:18] HaDAk: fire away [14:19] but idk if i will timeout midway.. there seems to be some sort of issue in my connection -.- [14:19] after updating the network manager plasma widget, i haven't been able to connect to any wireless networks. the widget no longer shows networks in range, and wicd-curses won't let me connect either. sudo iwlist scan does show the available networks, though. [14:20] ok lemme check [14:20] !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement [14:20] plasma-widget-networkmanagement (source: plasma-widget-networkmanagement): Network Management widget for KDE4 Plasma. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9~svn1176084-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 63 kB, installed size 284 kB [14:20] HaDAk: you have ^ that version right? [14:21]