[00:01] <bazhang> * [nogo] (~user@122-124-130-97.dynamic.hinet.net): user  ban dodging in -ot
[01:12] <bazhang> showing an oddly truncated sources.list ; mixing repos between karmic and maverick and now says its fixed.
[03:05] <bazhang> multiple trolling in -ot
[03:18] <bazhang> thank goodness he quit
 dalnetz flirt plz
[03:36] <bazhang> Pici, nogo is ban evading in -ot
[03:36] <bazhang> aka gobo , chonema
[03:37] <Pici> eh?
[03:37] <bazhang> * [nogo] (~user@122-124-130-97.dynamic.hinet.net): user
[03:43]  * Pici sighs
[08:19] <collabra> just wondering why, after i've been allowed in #ubuntu,... that now i'm banned.
[08:19] <collabra> can someone please explain
[08:20] <bazhang> collabra, seems to be the whole argument about ubuntu desktop and server using different repos part
[08:21] <collabra> so there's no forgiveness in ubuntu?
[08:22] <collabra> i thought there was,.. i've been in the channel for the past 3 or 4 days
[08:22] <collabra> under collabra
[08:23] <bazhang> hmm. ban still in place
[08:24] <collabra> can you lift it please?
[08:24] <bazhang> collabra, you say you still entered the channel anyways?
[08:24] <collabra> i say i've been allowed for the past four days
[08:25] <collabra> check your records...
[08:25] <bazhang> collabra, and now suddenly not?
[08:25] <collabra> yes
[08:25] <Tm_T> collabra: did you discuss your ban here and it was removed?
[08:25] <collabra> no
[08:26] <collabra> not removed,.. discussed
[08:26] <bazhang> oh right
[08:26] <collabra> at least not formally
[08:26] <collabra> but truthfully,... i've been in the channel for the past four days
[08:27] <collabra> under the nick collabra
[08:27] <collabra> i thought the ban had been lifted
[08:28] <bazhang> nope still in place, just checked
[08:28] <Tm_T> thank you for your honesty, collabra
[08:28] <collabra> np,... can someone lift the ban?
[08:28] <bazhang> using a cloak perhaps?
[08:28] <collabra> no,...
[08:28] <collabra> i'm not that adept
[08:30] <collabra> the only thought i have now,... is that i was behind a router,... a simple netgear,... i'm no longer behind it,... i don't know if that made a difference.
[08:31] <collabra> i don't know...
[08:32] <collabra> but i enjoyed the channel before and for the past few days... i would like to be admitted back in.
[08:46] <collabra> do you have any record of my chats?
[08:46] <collabra> in the last days
[08:57] <collabra> anyway,.. i'd like to resolve this.... it doesn't have to happen today,.. i'll try again at another time.
[09:03] <bazhang> thought for certain he/she was told to come here to resolve first.
[14:49] <histo> I'm trying to point someone to a foreign language irc channel.  Is there a list somewhere?  They are looking for ubuntu bengali
[14:49] <bazhang> !loco
[14:50] <bazhang> bengali is bangladesh?
[14:51] <bazhang> guess so
[14:53] <IdleOne> I believe it is
[14:54] <bazhang> yep he gave it to tanvir
[14:56] <bazhang> histo, hi; was there something else you needed assistance with?
[14:58] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-ops-monitor  is a invite only channel?
[14:59] <bazhang> nope
[14:59] <bazhang> histo, please dont idle here, thanks.
[15:00] <gnomefreak> bazhang: .:09:57:37:. ==> Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-ops-monitor (You must be  invited)
[15:00] <bazhang> gnomefreak, weird, I just joined
[15:01] <bazhang> did katsumi really tell the user to crack open his computer to look at the wireless card?
[15:01] <gnomefreak> even doing it using /j i get same output
[15:01] <bazhang> bizarre
[15:02] <gnomefreak> bazhang: are you on the IRCC?
[15:02] <bazhang> gnomefreak, hah no way
[15:02] <gnomefreak> :)
[15:02] <IdleOne> chaneel was set to +i
[15:02] <IdleOne> hold on gnomefreak
[15:02] <bazhang> that would give me ops in -ot and havoc would result
[15:03] <gnomefreak> k
[15:03] <IdleOne> try now
[15:03] <gnomefreak> k
[15:03] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks. are we setting +i again?
[15:03] <gnomefreak> we == you ;)
[15:03] <IdleOne> in that channel seems so
[15:04] <IdleOne> I didn't set it I just follow it :)
[15:04] <IdleOne> all I did was add a +I so you can join
[15:04] <gnomefreak> its on my auto join
[15:05] <IdleOne> yeah but if you are not in the invite list you can't join
[15:05] <IdleOne> now you are so problem solved
[15:05] <gnomefreak> oh
[15:05] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[15:05] <IdleOne> sure thing
[15:05] <gnomefreak> brb i am going to try something
[15:06] <IdleOne> not sure why some gets +v on join and some don't :/
[15:07] <gnomefreak> yay it works. thanks again
[15:07] <IdleOne> no problem
[15:08] <bazhang> support from her seems to be: buy a different card
[15:09] <gnomefreak> that is bad support IMHO
[15:10] <bazhang> yep. first it was 'crack open your computer and take out the wireless card', now this
[15:11] <IdleOne> well if it ain't broke and you can't use it. buy a different one!
[15:11] <bazhang> and giving out completely wrong info about 64bit ubuntu
[15:11] <IdleOne> well a lot of that happens
[15:12] <IdleOne> nobody really knows why the site says not to use 64bit
[15:12] <bazhang> that was watching the channel for about 15 minutes alone
[15:12] <IdleOne> only real reason I can find is that flash is messed up
[15:12] <IdleOne> but flash works awesome for me in 64bit :/
[15:12] <IdleOne> so even that isn't a reason
[15:14] <IdleOne> saw a lot of FUD this morning, from qwert and katsumi
[15:14] <bazhang> ugh qwert
[15:14] <IdleOne> well not really FUD but dubious help
[15:15] <IdleOne> he had a user compile alsa for some reason but left him with a half compiled alsa
[15:15] <IdleOne> I saw this after the fact so couldn't really do much about it
[15:16] <bazhang> qwert did?
[15:16] <IdleOne> yup
[15:16] <IdleOne> couple hours back
[15:17] <IdleOne> worst part is that the user has intel ICH8 which should just work, probably only needed to unmute
[15:18] <bazhang> right abhijit hdaintel
[15:18] <IdleOne> yeah
[15:20] <bazhang> qwert is the same person who called ops in multiple channels to get technical help and was spoofing ops realname as his own, iirc
[15:22] <IdleOne> yes
[15:23] <IdleOne> he was spoofing mac0 yesterday and I made it clear that it was not acceptable.
[15:51] <gnomefreak> why do i get this feeling that mac0 was warned/kick/ban in the last week or 2
[15:53] <bazhang> qwert was an issue so not surprised if so (well still is)
[15:55] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: he/she was and still is to an extent
[15:55] <gnomefreak> ok
[16:11] <bazhang> rly
[16:22] <bazhang> offensive host on bhah
[16:23] <bazhang> nice. PM grossness from bhah
[16:24] <IdleOne> Do they all set their alarms for the same time?
[16:24] <bhah> hey
[16:24] <bhah> bazhang
[16:24] <bhah> why are you such a cocksucking piece of shit?
[16:24] <bhah> seriously
[16:24] <bazhang> bhah, ?
[16:25] <bhah> you lord over #ubuntu like you own it
[16:25] <bhah> ban people with no warning
[16:25] <bhah> #ubuntu is not an extension of your already tiny ego
[16:25] <bazhang> that seems to happen to him alot on freenode
[16:25] <bhah> seriously
[16:25] <bhah> you people wonder why #ubuntu gets flooded
[16:25] <bhah> look to bazhang and how he behaves
[16:26] <bhah> stop being faggots, for once in your petty little lifes
[16:26] <bhah> and oh btw, i'm still in #ubuntu
[16:27]  * maco blinks
[16:28] <IdleOne> annon: how can we help?
[16:28] <Qwert> How to find ops of channel?
[16:28] <IdleOne> Qwert: /msg chanserv help
[16:29] <IdleOne> Qwert: if there is nothing else Please part the channel.
[16:29] <IdleOne> ZykoticK9: what's up?
[16:29] <ZykoticK9> IdleOne, not much - just wanted to see outcome of annon
[16:29] <bazhang> ZykoticK9, no spectating please
[16:30] <Qwert> IdleOne: It says - >chanserv< help
[16:30] <ZykoticK9> ok sorry - good bye
[16:30] <IdleOne> ZykoticK9: I see, well we have a no idle rule here. Please feel free to read the logs :)
[16:30] <IdleOne> Qwert: this is not a support channel. for help with chanserv ask in #freenode
[16:30] <IdleOne> thank you.
[16:31] <IdleOne> annon: you said you wanted to ask about channel rules. Please ask.
[16:31] <Qwert> IdleOne: Well that still din't clear my query
[16:31] <IdleOne> Qwert: Like I said this is not a support channel. help with chanserv/nickserv/memoserv ask in #freenode.
[16:32] <Qwert> IdleOne: Oh.. Okay Thanks :)
[16:32] <IdleOne> welcome
[16:32] <annon> IdleOne: first off, I'm not trying to troll here, I want to clarify that. second, I read the rules and it says one should avoid offensive language regarding "war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide." I don't see how the word r007 and I said falls into that or is even offensive. I want it to be clarified because IMHO there's a big difference between banning offensive *behavior* and bann
[16:32] <annon> ing words which are perfectly neutral.
[16:32] <IdleOne> Now please /part this channel. there is a no idle rule here
[16:33] <bazhang> Qwert, please part the channel, thanks
[16:34] <Qwert> bazhang: Would you please spare a moment in PM. I understand I shouldn't spectate.
[16:34] <maco> Qwert: and thanks for stopping stealing my name
[16:34] <maco> oh. left already
[16:34] <bazhang> ugh
[16:34] <IdleOne> annon: it also says that Ubuntu irc channels are family friendly. I don't want my 10 year old son who uses Ubuntu seeing the word shit flung about like it is ok. Please keep the language clean is all we are asking.
[16:35] <IdleOne> you are old enough and have enough common sense to know what words are acceptable
[16:36] <IdleOne> besides when you use terms like winshit, winblows etc. it makes you look like a fanboy. the product is called Windows. use it's name properly.
[16:37] <Qwert> bazhang: I'm sorry but would you spare a moment in private chat?
[16:37] <bazhang> Qwert, busy right now sorry
[16:37] <IdleOne> anything else annon ?
[16:37] <Qwert> bazhang: Thank you
[16:38] <annon> IdleOne: I respect that and you're finally the one who makes the rules and I'll respect that. but if I may offer my personal opinion, I do think you're going too far. it's not the words or the letters which are bad, it's the context. and protecting your son from seeing 4 letters in a particular order is completely missing the point, but that's not my decision to make. also, as I said, I wasn't the one who came up with "winshit". I was merely la
[16:38] <annon> ughing at what r007 said.
[16:39] <annon> no, nothing else.
[16:39] <annon> nice talking to you.
[16:39] <annon> besides, Katsumi32 is being offensive all the time and even racist in PMs towards me. No one seems to care about that.
[16:39] <IdleOne> thank you, I appreciate you understanding, for the record I didn't make the rules I do enforce them.
[16:40] <elky> Well, PMs are not monitored by us.
[16:40] <IdleOne> annon: nothing I can do about what people PM. I suggest you ignore it
[16:40] <annon> ok
[16:41] <IdleOne> again thanks for understanding. have a good day.
[16:41] <annon> you too.
[16:42] <bazhang> histo, hi
[16:42] <bazhang> histo, please dont idle here
[16:44] <bazhang> he's been idle here around two hours
[16:46] <topyli> true about katsumi32 btw
[16:46] <bazhang> really
[16:47] <IdleOne> he is sending racist PM's?
[16:47] <topyli> no no, being offensive in channels
[16:47] <IdleOne> he/she I haven't figured it out yet
[16:47] <IdleOne> oh
[16:49] <topyli> well he walks the line and pushes it from time to time, not always so gently. i haven't taken the time yet to talk to him more
[16:50] <topyli> also very good at sensing when it's best to /part just before someone removes him :)
[16:50] <IdleOne> heh
[16:50] <IdleOne> sign of a good troll
[16:51] <topyli> or a standard school kid :)
[16:51] <IdleOne> I was to busy with chasing girls in school
[16:52] <IdleOne> had no time for internet
[16:52] <IdleOne> not to mention it didn't exist in the 1920's
[16:52] <IdleOne> :/
[16:57] <topyli> iirc usenet was there in the 1920s
[16:57] <IdleOne> never used usenet
[16:57] <topyli> ooh sauna time
[16:58] <IdleOne> have a good sweat
[16:59] <maco> "have a nice nekkid time"?
[17:00] <IdleOne> haha
[17:25] <bazhang> the user bhah was quoting lines from #ubuntu in real time (after he had been banned and removed)
[17:29] <elky> there's only so much we can do. at least he's not game to disrupt #u now though.
[17:30] <bazhang> okay
[18:46] <erUSUL> i do not have lynx installed but tried with w3m and only get strnag binary. is maybe karlo trying to missconfigure people's terminals?
[18:46] <erUSUL> someone should take a look
[18:47] <erUSUL> pretty harmless but ...
[18:49] <erUSUL> is a gzip file http://paste.ubuntu.com/495993/
[18:50] <erUSUL> ..... zZZzzzZZZZzzzzZZZ
[18:51] <erUSUL> ok; its an !ops call then
[18:51] <erUSUL> bye
[18:55] <Amaranth> It was an advertisement or something, some stupid Mac vs PC text and a reference to domain names for sell
[19:35] <Flannel> Hi collabra, how can we help you?
[19:36] <collabra> curious if anyone has made a decision concerning my ban from #ubuntu
[19:36] <collabra> i would like to return
[19:37] <Flannel> collabra: It's not a decision, it's a discussion and understanding that we need to have.
[19:38] <Flannel> collabra: And I'd be more than happy to have that discussion with you right now if you've got time and are willing.
[19:39] <collabra> my understanding is that you were probably right in that linux is ever configurable, to the point you may have been able to take the persons concern about going from ubuntu desktop to ubuntu server... I give you that,...
[19:39] <collabra> i was in a poor mood, i admit.... and i apologize to you for the way i acted
[19:39] <collabra> sure...
[19:40] <Flannel> collabra: That's good.  Should we expect that sort of behavior whenever you're in a poor mood? or was it a one-time thing?
[19:42] <collabra> i've acted out before in the channel,... nothing to the degree of that night,... i'm starting to realize that the most important thing is helping the 'clients' solve their problems... i have no excuse and no,... it's not typical behavior of mine.
[19:43] <Flannel> Good to hear.
[19:43] <Flannel> collabra: as an aside, are you all sorted out on the fact that all flavors of Ubuntu use the same repositories?
[19:44] <collabra> i understand that they do,... i also understand that a 'default' install of 'server' doesn't include them,... am i wrong...?
[19:45] <Flannel> collabra: Yeah.  That's inaccurate.
[19:45] <Flannel> All installs, server, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu, etc, share the same repositories (https://archive.ubuntu.com or one of its mirrors)
[19:45] <collabra> hmmm....then i was given incorrect information in #ubuntu-server.... they told me they need to be enabled.
[19:46] <Flannel> If you do perform an install from an alternate (or server, or minimal) CD without being connected to the internet, they may be disabled in your sources.list (with the CD being the only repository enabled)
[19:46] <collabra> and that night, i was going off my own experience that i believe in 9.04 or 8 that they wern't enabled... again, i apologize.
[19:46] <collabra> to you and to the group
[19:47] <Flannel> collabra: No worries.  We've all had bad nights at some point.  The important thing is growing and learning from them.
[19:47] <Flannel> collabra: I've removed your ban in #ubuntu, please join there now to verify that I did it correctly.
[19:48] <collabra> i have to admit,... with my current knowledge,... i'm not a noob,... but absolutely not anywhere i ought to be for having used linux for roughly 5 years....
[19:49] <Flannel> collabra: Eh, there is no "should be here" benchmark.  It's actually evidence of how far we've come when people can use the OS without being forced to know all about its internals.
[19:49] <collabra> thank you Flannel,... i'm very glad having resolved this issue.... truly,...
[19:50] <collabra> yeah,...
[19:50] <collabra> this 'thing' is the most complicated piece of software i've ever used.... the learning curve is immense
[19:51] <collabra> an i admit i'm not raising it as i should
[19:51] <Flannel> Eh.  Again, one of the overarching goals is to make the learning curve as habitable as possible.  I wouldn't worry about it.
[19:52] <collabra> in the future, please,... i dunno,... it's in my personallity at times,... but i can be turned pretty quickly,... if you ever see me getting out of hand,. or giving bad advice,... please stop me... :)
[19:53] <Flannel> collabra: sounds good.  Anything else we can help with today?
[19:53] <collabra> i think it's the fact connections are hard to make...
[19:53] <collabra> no,.. thank you again Flannel: i look forward to working and learning with you.
[19:54] <collabra> have a good day....
[19:54] <Flannel> On the internet it's sometimes easy to forget that you're talking to real people on the other side of the screen, yeah.
[19:54] <Flannel> collabra: You too.
[19:56] <Tm_T> Flannel: well handled, thanks (:
[20:04] <Flannel> Tm_T: My pleasure
[21:29] <guntbert> It is not very important but as linuxvirus is old and there is !av, so I guess it could/should get dropped
[22:05] <guntbert> please have an ey on <spid3rxx> in #ubuntu - he seem a bit on the trollish side (backtrack, discussion,...)
[22:05] <guntbert> *eye
[22:05] <guntbert> *seems
[22:46] <IdleOne> I think songer is running a script. basically it tells people not to write in all capital letters or next time you will be removed
[22:47] <nhandler> Looks like you were right IdleOne
[22:47] <maco> jrib, IdleOne: why shouty shout?
[22:47] <nhandler> IdleOne: Why not PM first instead of removing?
[22:47] <maco> oh wait thats why
[22:47] <jrib> maco: because songer seemed like a bot
[22:47] <jrib> I was/am in pm with him
[22:47] <maco> yeah i said that and /then/ read back
[22:48] <IdleOne> nhandler: I should of tried that first. I suppose
[22:48] <IdleOne> should have
[22:49] <jrib> I'm not sure he understands me though, he's asking me how I am :/
[22:49] <nhandler> Across the board, I think we could do a better job of not using a remove/ban as a first line of defense. A PM (maybe combined with a short 10/15 minute quiet, autobleh's /at is nice) works wonders in most cases.
[22:49] <nhandler> jrib: Is it a bot? Language issue? Or something else?
[22:49] <jrib> nhandler: language issue, it's a person though
[22:50] <nhandler> Alright. That is at least one good thing. Maybe try using google translator to talk in his native language
[22:50] <erUSUL> IdleOne: what's up
[22:50] <EvilPhoenix> where can I post a recommendation for an Ubottu factoid?
[22:50] <IdleOne> hey erUSUL thanks for joining
[22:50] <erUSUL> np
[22:50] <jrib> EvilPhoenix: say: ubottu FOO is BAR
[22:51] <jrib> !ubottu | EvilPhoenix
[22:51] <IdleOne> Could you please explain to songer that he has to turn off that script
[22:51] <IdleOne> erUSUL: ^^
[22:51] <EvilPhoenix> jrib:  arigato gozaimasu (that's "thank you very much" in japanese)
[22:51] <IdleOne> at least in #ubuntu.
[22:52] <jrib> doing so IdleOne
[22:52] <maco> new visitor to #u-w says they know me and that theyve been banned for life in #defocus. i r confused.
[22:52] <erUSUL> IdleOne: ok; will do. it is my channel. i didn't realice it was script ;P
[22:53] <IdleOne> erUSUL: it's your channel?
[22:53] <nhandler> maco: Who is the user?
[22:53] <erUSUL> IdleOne: #ubuntu-es ? well *my* is not right word i'm op there
[22:53] <maco> anastasius
[22:53] <IdleOne> he was in #ubuntu and the script was triggered
[22:54] <IdleOne> erUSUL: hehe, it's fine if he wants to use it in -es but in #ubuntu if he can turn it off, that would be better
[22:54] <erUSUL> it is now in #ubuntu-es
[22:54] <nhandler> maco: Well, I have no clue what that #defocus comment was about. Tell him he can PM freenode staff about issues with that channel
[22:56] <IdleOne> erUSUL: thanks for your help :)
[22:58] <IdleOne> I have been a little fast on the draw lately, I apologize for that. I am going to make a conscious effort to be more diplomatic.
[22:58] <maco> nhandler: was trying to name a channel where we met when i said i didnt know them
[22:58] <IdleOne> and less kick happy
[22:58] <IdleOne> dinner time
[23:07] <erUSUL> IdleOne: claims it is another person with his nick ---
[23:11] <jrib> erUSUL: yeah just said the same thing to me.  I think he's just unaware of some script he has installed
[23:38] <IdleOne> why doesn't nogo come up in BT?
[23:38] <bazhang> gobo chonema hinet.net
[23:38] <bazhang> at least 3 bans in -ot and he keeps coming back
[23:38] <IdleOne> nogo ban evading in -ot
[23:38] <bazhang> Flannel, you around?
[23:39] <jandtd> so what with this ban please
[23:39] <jandtd> didnt happen before
[23:39] <IdleOne> before when?
[23:40] <jandtd> last time I was here
[23:40] <bazhang> IdleOne, we'd better let someone else handle this
[23:40] <IdleOne> probably right
[23:41] <jandtd> I wasnt told I was banned
[23:41] <bazhang> jandtd, someone should be along shortly to help you.
[23:42] <jandtd> ok
[23:42] <jandtd> but why Im banned?
[23:44] <jandtd> can someone explain?
[23:47] <jandtd> so where should I go if this is not thr right place
[23:47] <IdleOne> jandtd: this is the right place, you just need to be patient and someone will help you soon.
[23:48] <jandtd> soon? this is IRC no?
[23:49] <bazhang> jandtd, please be patient.
[23:49] <jandtd> just very odd
[23:49] <jandtd> waiting.........
[23:50] <jandtd> Ive never been banned fron anywhere before
[23:53] <IdleOne> jandtd: you can join #ubuntu now.
[23:53] <jandtd> thanks  but why the ban in the first place?
[23:54] <IdleOne> There has been a lot of abuse from your IP range and we were forced to set a broad ban. I fixed it so you can join.
[23:54] <IdleOne> please join #ubuntu now and enjoy your stay
[23:54] <jandtd> oh ok so Its not me personly thats been banned
[23:55] <IdleOne> Why is it you ask the same questions every time.
[23:55] <IdleOne> join #ubuntu, follow the rules and Please leave here now.
[23:55] <bazhang> nogo left -ot
[23:58] <IdleOne> I am not waiting all night for this troll to join the channel for 1 minute and then leave. I removed the +e I set.
[23:59] <IdleOne> jandtd: feel free to wait here for someone to help you. sorry I can't.
[23:59] <jandtd> hey I just tryed to join still banned