[07:40] <rebirth> man, can someone help me? i'm trying to do some pretty basic stuff and i haven't been able to get anything to work quite right. i created a composition in rosegarden and i want to now record a live instrument via a mic using the composition as a guide
[07:40] <rebirth> rosegarden keeps crashing and not recording the audio in sync, audacity won;t import the midi and i can't figure out how to use aurdour
[08:07] <holstein> hey rebirth
[08:07] <holstein> sorry to see your having so much trouble
[08:07] <holstein> one way to do it would be
[08:08] <holstein> route the MIDI tracks into audacity
[08:08] <holstein> then you can record them
[08:08] <holstein> alone
[08:08] <holstein> then record your audio in a separate track
[08:08] <holstein> then as long as you keep the 'zeros' lined up
[08:09] <holstein> you can go back and re-do the MIDI if needed
[08:09] <holstein> later
[08:09] <holstein> and add the audio you already recorded
[08:10] <holstein> the guys in #ardour are usually very helpful too
[08:21] <rebirth> thanks holstein i'm sure i'll figure it out
[08:21] <holstein> rebirth: :)
[08:22] <holstein> GN
[08:22] <rebirth> nite
[10:54] <vatts> yaaaaaaaaay it boots
[10:54] <vatts> :D
[10:54] <vatts> ok where is now the video editing app?*Sights*
[11:05] <astraljava> vatts: Maverick install?
[11:05] <vatts> astraljava, eeeeeeeeeeeee?
[11:05] <vatts> dunno
[11:05] <vatts> dled last one
[11:06] <vatts> couple weeks ago... not more than 1 month
[11:06] <vatts> i went for video editing core...^
[11:06] <astraljava> Ok, probably Lucid then.
[11:07] <astraljava> Just asking as I have trouble testing the maverick amd64 install.
[16:30] <zylogz80> hi everyone. I am trying to better understand latency with JACK. What are reasonable expectations for latency? What are latencies other people are using? I've got a Core i5 system with 4GB of ram and an MAudio USB interface. I can't seem to attain latencies under 20ms without problems like distortion or audio artifacts and latencies below 10ms result in xruns and hangs.
[16:32] <zylogz80> I had an older slower machine that I recorded at 45ms and didn't really notice a problem. With this new i5 machine I wanted to know what I should be shooting for. I saw the ubuntustudio JACK how-to and the example shows sub 6ms. If I try those settings I get hundreds of xruns right on start
[16:34] <zylogz80> hmmm. well. maybe I just hit on something. I was able to start with 5ms with no xruns when I selected "none" for the midi driver
[16:34] <zylogz80> can raw and seq cause xruns?
[16:36] <zylogz80> too easy I guess. the xruns started as soon as I started an application.
[16:37] <holstein> hey zylogz80
[16:38] <zylogz80> holstein, hi
[16:38] <holstein> there are lots of factors
[16:38] <holstein> i had a P4 with a gig of ram
[16:38] <holstein> and a presonus firepod
[16:38] <holstein> i could get under 5ms stable
[16:39] <holstein> i could push that to around 2ms for live softsynths
[16:39] <holstein> i would usually use a JACK preset for around 60ms to mix though
[16:39] <holstein> seemed faster with a bunch of plugins running
[16:40] <holstein> and at that point i wasnt worried about the latency anymore
[16:40] <holstein> zylogz80: i think the first question should be 'do i need lower latency?'
[16:41] <zylogz80> holstein, well I felt ok at 45ms on my old computer but some things felt a bit laggy, like playing guitar and what now. I was hoping by buying a faster computer I could help that
[16:41] <holstein> nope
[16:42] <holstein> open a terminal
[16:42] <holstein> and run
[16:42] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[16:42] <zylogz80> holstein, want me to pastebin it?
[16:42] <holstein> you can
[16:43] <holstein> this is showing what all is sharing an IRQ address with your sound device
[16:43] <holstein> and the USB port that is controlling the sound device
[16:43] <holstein> ideally
[16:43] <zylogz80> holstein, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/n8YAZV8N
[16:43] <zylogz80> holstein, ok let me try to read it and understand it
[16:43] <holstein> you go in the bios and get both of these off by themselves
[16:45] <holstein> zylogz80: actually, i think that looks good
[16:45] <holstein> you can check the bios, and see what it says
[16:45] <holstein> but that pastebin makes me think you got it all seperated pretty well
[16:46] <holstein> zylogz80: what kernel are you using?
[16:46] <holstein> in terminal
[16:46] <holstein> uname -a
[16:46] <zylogz80> holstein, thanks
[16:46] <zylogz80> holstein, Linux adam-laptop 2.6.32-24-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 16 14:17:33 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:46] <holstein> you can try a different kernel
[16:46] <holstein> i like the realtime one
[16:47] <holstein> but it is suggested to try the -lowlatency one first
[16:47] <holstein> i usually just skip to the googs :)
[16:47] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[16:47] <zylogz80> holstein, hmmm. I ran my old machine off the realtime kernel
[16:48] <holstein> then you need to
[16:48] <zylogz80> holstein, I was going to use it on this one but I have some hardware problems with it :( I was hoping to avoid it.
[16:48] <holstein> OH, nvidia graphics?
[16:48] <zylogz80> holstein, I asked around in #jack and I couldn't get a real clear answer on whether or not the realtime kernel was required
[16:48] <holstein> zylogz80: no
[16:48] <holstein> its not required
[16:48] <zylogz80> holstein, no I specifically picked a machine without an nvidia or ati card
[16:49] <holstein> and work is being done so that the generic one will have preemnt-ing
[16:49] <holstein> but, i still need the RT one
[16:49] <zylogz80> holstein, I'll need to boot into the realtime kernel and see what I get on this hardware
[16:49] <holstein> zylogz80:
[16:49] <holstein> did you try https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[16:50] <holstein> abogani's -realtime kernel?
[16:50] <zylogz80> holstein, but I am unable to use wifi on the realtime kernel which is a bummer :( I didn't mind the realtime kernel on my last box because I could just efault boot into it but on this one I think I'll have to boot into it for audio work and back into a normal kernel regular
[16:50] <holstein> the linux-rt kernel in the lucid repos is the one from karmic
[16:50] <zylogz80> holstein, no I haven't seen that. let me take a look
[16:50] <holstein> zylogz80: OH
[16:50] <holstein> is this a laptop?
[16:50] <holstein> well
[16:50] <zylogz80> holstein, yes
[16:51] <holstein> that can throw up an xrun
[16:51] <holstein> i like to try and do wired
[16:51] <zylogz80> holstein, wifi?
[16:51] <holstein> OR no internet
[16:51] <holstein> i network and do netjack though
[16:51] <holstein> but with my laptop
[16:51] <holstein> i wire it
[16:51] <zylogz80> holstein, ok. I can see where that gets me.
[16:52] <zylogz80> holstein, what are you getting for latency?
[16:52] <holstein> well
[16:52] <holstein> i got a new box
[16:52] <holstein> a dual core AMD
[16:52] <holstein> with 3 gigs of ram
[16:52] <holstein> so i can do 2ms stable
[16:52] <holstein> and i can push it under 1 ;)
[16:52] <holstein> but i dont
[16:53] <holstein> and again
[16:53] <holstein> i mix with it set at like 20 or so
[16:53] <zylogz80> holstein, I would really love to get to that. I bought a new laptop specifically for audio. my old one was fine for every day stuff. I'd really hate to not fegire this out. I really apprecieate your help though. :)
[16:53] <holstein> yeah
[16:53] <holstein> im not sure about with the USB
[16:53] <zylogz80> holstein, what do you use for an interface?
[16:53] <holstein> you shoud be able to get 5 or so though
[16:53] <holstein> stable
[16:54] <zylogz80> holstein, yeah 5-6 would be more than great coming from almost 50
[16:54] <holstein> presonus firepod
[16:54] <holstein> http://www.presonus.com/products/detail.aspx?productid=3
[16:54] <holstein> zylogz80: if you use abogani's PPA, the RT kernel is called linux-realtime
[16:55] <holstein> zylogz80: you might also benefit from
[16:55] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/
[16:55] <zylogz80> holstein, cool looking peice of gear. I'd need to get a firewire express card interface or something
[16:55] <holstein> ^^ some of the stuff in falks ppa
[16:55] <holstein> JACK2
[16:55] <holstein> from what i read
[16:56] <holstein> utilizes multiple cores
[16:56] <holstein> zylogz80: IF you get a firewire card
[16:56] <zylogz80> holstein, interesting
[16:56] <holstein> try and get a texas instruments chipset
[16:56] <holstein> OR save the recipts ;)
[16:57] <zylogz80> holstein, thanks for the tips. I really appreciate the help. These ppas look interesting
[16:57] <holstein> zylogz80: i use http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[16:58] <holstein> there is a PPA purge option added
[16:58] <holstein> SO if you get falks ppa going
[16:58] <holstein> and it borks something
[16:58] <holstein> you can get out
[16:58] <holstein> he's got abogani's kernels in there too
[16:58] <holstein> zylogz80: there are a bunch of KXstudio specific packages in there that i would avoid
[16:59] <holstein> other than that, i think its safe to add the PPA
[16:59] <zylogz80> holstein, cool. yeah I would be looking mostly at the realtime kernel and some soundfonts for qsynth
[16:59] <holstein> and do an upgrade
[16:59] <zylogz80> holstein, ubuntu tweak looks really helpful
[17:00] <holstein> i started using it for PPA purge
[17:00] <holstein> but some of the gconf tweaking is easier to find with it
[17:00] <zylogz80> holstein, so if I mess something up it'll remove all the packages I installed form that ppa?
[17:00] <holstein> zylogz80: you just open tweak
[17:00] <holstein> and say 'purge PPA'
[17:01] <holstein> and it'll remove what you installed from that PPA
[17:01] <holstein> and downgrade whatever needs to be downgraded
[17:01]  * holstein tested
[17:01] <holstein> with that PPA acutally
[17:01] <holstein> i tested on my laptop
[17:01] <zylogz80> holstein, very cool. ubuntu tweak seems really neat
[17:01] <holstein> before doing it on my main studio machine
[17:02] <holstein> i wanted to make sure there was an 'easy' way back to JACK 1
[17:02] <zylogz80> holstein, I've got great backups and I may test in a virtual machine first just to make sure I understand the process
[17:02] <holstein> zylogz80: i totally understand that
[17:03] <holstein> i just wanted to let you know that its pretty much 'safe'
[17:03] <holstein> and that i have tested it
[17:03] <holstein> but i would do the same :)
[17:04] <zylogz80> holstein, thanks very much. you've given me a whole bunch of leads to chase down. I really apprecieate it.
[17:04] <zylogz80> holstein, I'll check if you're on later and let you know how everything panned out
[17:04] <holstein> zylogz80: OH
[17:04] <holstein> and one more
[17:04] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians
[17:05] <holstein> very helpful folk :)
[17:05] <holstein> zylogz80: good luck
[17:05] <zylogz80> holstein, thanks!
[17:16] <ronj> hi there
[17:18] <ronj> today's daily spin of ubuntustudio fails to install at "select and install software" step and presents a red screen asking to retry or skip, even if I uncheck all of the four choices (2d3d, audio, dssi, video). should I file a bug or report on the ML or provide more info here?
[17:19] <holstein> ronj: i think its already there ??
[17:19] <holstein> its known
[17:19] <holstein> ronj: are you on the email list?
[17:19] <ronj> holstein, ok; didn't know
[17:19] <holstein> you might want to send an email there so its documented
[17:20] <holstein> but it was yesterday or the day before i say some talk about hat
[17:20] <holstein> that*
[17:20] <ronj> holstein, yup but I stopped looking at it a long time ago and now that I bought a machine dedicated to testing I'm trying to get back on the train :P
[17:20] <ronj> ok
[17:20] <ronj> thanks!
[17:20] <holstein> ronj: HEY
[17:20] <holstein> thats great :)
[17:21] <holstein> iso testing is greatly appreciated
[17:23] <ronj> holstein, were you mentioning the user of devel list?
[17:24] <holstein> ronj: i think devel would be appropriate
[17:24] <holstein> you can ask over in ubuntustudio-devel too
[17:24] <ronj> right
[18:41] <prep> Brasero is not burning correctly, ejects disc when trying to burn, just started recently
[18:41] <holstein> bad discs?
[18:42] <prep> Nope, was burning ok last time I burned last week, just started
[18:42]  * holstein is using gnomebaker
[18:42] <holstein> prep: i would try and rule out hardware and discs
[18:43] <holstein> maybe use a live CD
[18:43] <holstein> and try burning something
[18:43] <holstein> or use a different optical drive
[18:43] <prep> Used the built in cd/dvd creator software, it burned all the tracks, but only track 1 would play, for 1 min, all the others were blank
[18:44] <holstein> what is 'built in cd/dvd creator' software?
[18:44] <holstein> brasero?
[18:45] <prep> No, another one. Not at the PC at the moment, not sure the exact name. Came with the distro
[18:45] <holstein> so
[18:45] <holstein> you have tried 2 different pieces of software
[18:45] <holstein> in the same linux distro
[18:46] <holstein> i would probably install gnomebaker
[18:46] <holstein> and then, try burning from a live CD
[18:46] <holstein> then, i would start thinking its hardware
[18:46] <holstein> i got a stack of bad optical drives :)
[18:46] <holstein> they die
[18:46] <prep> weird it just started. Was burning fine
[18:47] <prep> was thinking maybe a software conflict
[18:47] <holstein> yup
[18:47] <holstein> when my LG died
[18:47] <holstein> that how it went
[18:47] <holstein> but LG replaced it :)
[18:47] <prep> When 10.10 is out, i'm staying put
[18:47] <holstein> prep: probably not going to have a software conflict
[18:47] <holstein> if you stay pretty much in the repo
[18:47] <holstein> things are pretty well tested
[18:48] <holstein> OH
[18:48] <holstein> yeah, it could be a maverick thing
[18:48] <prep> yeah haven't added any disc burn software
[18:48] <holstein> i would try a lucid live disc
[18:48] <prep> yeah dont forget I'm a Maverick cripple
[18:48] <holstein> hehe
[18:48] <holstein> now you know
[18:48] <prep> aight, at work. I'm out. Be easy
[18:49] <holstein> prep: laterx
[18:49] <prep> we'll try to troubleshoot it tomorrow. .
[20:15] <vatts> DAMN
[20:15] <vatts> :\
[20:15] <vatts> once it boots, once it doesnt
[20:15]  * vatts slaps his vbox
[20:19]  * vatts deletes it anyways
[21:21] <Somtin> hello.  i can run jackd, and hydrogen runs fine and plays, however, mic input doesn't seem to work at all. i'm running ubuntu 10.04 and it worked fine before the upgrade. any ideas?
[21:31] <rlameiro> is it showing up on jack the mic?
[22:51] <ronj> installing todays ubuntu-alternate iso to check if my iso issue is ubustu specific or not
[22:52] <rlameiro> ronj: that is a good idea
[23:09] <ronj> weeeeeeell it seems to be ubuntustudio specific, the ubuntu alternate iso installs fine
[23:09] <ronj> I'm filing a bug and reporting to the devel ML
[23:30] <ronj> just created LP #642405
[23:36] <holstein> ronj: i think last time it was failing because of another packages
[23:36] <holstein> so thanks :)
[23:38] <ronj> holstein, uhm yes I see on the iso testing tracker dholbach reported a similar issue with linux-headers-rt
[23:38] <ronj> welcome :)