[00:00] <rbelem> the qt guys are hungry for performance, so i think that they will make this change in a very long term
[00:00]  * rbelem is just guessing
[00:00] <rbelem> :-)
[00:01] <persia> I'm not sure, and won't speculate.  I hope it to be sooner because of annoyances like the above.  I know that modern FPUs don't have significant differences between float and double operations (but that such FPUs are not commonly available retail)
[00:34] <lex79> ScottK: reject please my -workspace upload, I'd like to fix another bug before
[00:53] <ScottK> lex79: OK
[00:55] <ScottK> lex79: Done.
[00:55] <lex79> ScottK: thanks
[00:55] <ScottK> persia: It's my understanding that the qreal/double issue on armel can't be fixed without breaking binary compatibility so it's a Qt 5 thing to change.
[01:10] <persia> ScottK, It is definitely a binary-compatibility breaking thing: thanks for the correct that this means Qt 5 vs. 4.x
[01:11] <persia> lex79, Thanks.  qreal foo = (qreal) QString.toDouble() seems to work.
[01:12] <lex79> you're welcome :)
[01:30] <lex79> ScottK: uploaded
[01:48] <lex79> thanks
[01:49]  * lex79 goes to bed, night
[05:35] <valorie> how does one figure out what repository an app is in?
[05:36] <valorie> specifically, kaudiocreator
[05:38] <valorie> !kaudiocreator
[05:39] <valorie> hmm
[05:50] <persia> valorie, How do you mean "what repository"?
[05:50] <valorie> it was in beta ppa
[05:50] <valorie> but isn't any more
[05:51] <valorie> so how can I see if it's in universe or what?
[05:51] <valorie> have been googling, but.....
[05:51] <persia> You can use rmadison to see what is in the standard repositories.
[05:51] <persia> `rmadison -u debian ...` will tell you what is in Debian.
[05:52] <valorie> so rmadison -u kubuntu will do that for kubuntu ?
[05:52] <persia> I think LP shows what PPAs are used sometimes from http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/${package} but I'm not 100% that's the right URL (you can ask in #launchpad)
[05:52] <valorie> thanks!
[05:53] <valorie> I thought ubottu knew stuff like that
[05:53] <valorie> but help got me nada
[05:53] <persia> Kubuntu doesn't have special repositories (except for the various PPAs).  Although the naming is sometimes frustrating, don't confuse "Ubuntu" the project with "Ubuntu Desktop", the GNOME-based flavour.
[05:54] <valorie> ok
[05:55] <valorie> looks like it is just part of multimedia
[05:55] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=kaudiocreator
[05:56] <valorie> so I'll update my blog post, and answer a question asked me with that info
[05:56] <valorie> thanks!
[06:19] <valorie> and kde-apps updated too
[08:15] <shadeslayer> \o
[10:36] <jussi> Hrm, why is Kubuntu-desktop being kept back on maverick?
[10:36] <persia> Does C++ automatically call toDouble if I pass a QString into a function expecting a double?
[10:37] <sheytan> Hey ;)
[10:37] <sheytan> Do we have koffice 2.3 beta ppa somwhere?
[10:48] <persia> Is that targeted for maverick?
[10:49] <jussi> is this just broken foor now or do we need to action something to fix it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/496373/
[10:52] <Riddell> no we don't have koffice 2.3 beta and it's not in maverick
[10:55]  * persia is very glad that koffice isn't likely to get any significant version bump for maverick, and goes back to trying to understand the MSOOXML bits.
[11:17] <Riddell> jussi: that needs a rebuild, want to test that it sucessfully rebuilds?
[11:17] <jussi> Riddell: sure. what do I need to do?
[11:17] <jussi> Riddell: btw, I got the CD's. thanks!
[11:18] <Riddell> apt-get source kamoso; cd kamoso-<tab>; dch -i "Rebuild for new libvlc"; debuild
[11:18] <Riddell> if it works, debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/423
[11:19] <apachelogger> though since it got in with lex79's upload yesterday I suppose the question now is whether that should be reverted ^^
[11:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure kamoso needs a rebuild... IIRC 1.0.5 is not compatible with VLC 1.1+
[11:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: I take it the change is well tested?
[11:21] <apachelogger> yup
[11:21] <apachelogger> also not exactly intrusive :)
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does it know where to get the wallpapers from?
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: <apachelogger> from the system's POV it is not even external since it draws the possible categories via http://download.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml  pointing at https://api.opendesktop.org/v1/ using the api defined at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services#categories to https://api.opendesktop.org//v1/content/categories which as we can see actually gives us access to every category available on
[11:23] <apachelogger>  any opendesktop site (such as kde-look, kde-apps, kde-files, gnome-look, xfce-look...)
[11:24] <apachelogger> the change just adds the kubuntu wallpaper cateogry additionally to the ones KDE uses
[11:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, nice
[11:24] <Riddell> groovy
[11:24] <apachelogger> oh, and I chose to implement this as patch rather than in kds so that we do not miss out if KDE changes the categories list
[11:25] <jussi> sigh, I havent set this environment up yet... lot of things to install
[11:26] <Riddell> lex79: that qt4-x11 upload you did, is that 4.7.0?
[11:28] <jussi> Riddell: it failed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/496389/
[11:28] <jussi> mind, I goot a giggle out of the line number that had an issue :D
[11:28] <jussi> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[11:28] <jussi> debuild: fatal error at line 1337:
[11:29] <Riddell> jussi: so the package probably needs removed, please file a bug saying so and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:29] <jussi> Riddell: sure thing
[11:29] <Riddell> you could also check with upstream if there's any fix or update
[11:30]  * jussi goes to look at upstreams page
[11:33] <jussi> hrm, the only mention of vlc in the commit log is:
[11:33] <jussi> PUSH16:41
[11:33] <jussi> Alex Fiestas pushed 8 commits to kamoso/mainline:vlc11port
[11:33] <jussi> vlc11port changed from bea08b6 to 9108ce9
[11:36] <jussi> Riddell: bug 642705 filed :)
[11:37] <jussi> Riddell: thanks for the refresher course on some package stuff. :)
[11:41] <persia> jussi, If you're feeling especially excited, you could try backporting the vlc11port bits, getting it to build, and then you get to keep it :)
[11:43] <apachelogger> jussi, Riddell: wouldnt it make more sense to fetch a snapshot of the vlc11port?
[11:43] <apachelogger> ah ^^
[11:48] <persia> snapshot runs the risk of upstream features and a FFe, but yeah, that works too :)
[11:52] <KRF> apachelogger, trying to compile amarok on maverick. libtag1-dev doesnt have ASF support compiled in. is that intended?
[12:19] <KRF> apachelogger, ugh. nevermind, didnt installed other required dependencies
[12:19] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:19]  * apachelogger blings KRF
[12:19] <KRF> *blink*
[12:20] <apachelogger> persia: I think the overall risk is lower with taking something that someone (upstream) already used rather than having us fiddle with code we do not know the next thing about :)
[12:21]  * apachelogger dances
[12:21] <persia> I can appreciate that viewpoint.  I don't subscribe to it (or I wouldn't have a 90K patch for a programming language I don't know in progress), but there are reasons I'm not in release management :)
[12:35] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:00] <shadeslayer> jjesse_: pingly
[13:00] <shadeslayer> jjesse_: i answer your call for docs packager :D
[13:06] <shadeslayer> jjesse_: please mail the details, since jeffrai's core is down... i think.. :(
[14:54] <lex79> Riddell: yes, it's 4.7.0
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you mind taking a look at bluedevil in approval queue please?
[15:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Just approved it.
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[16:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I've just uploaded a kubuntu-meta that incorporates rbelem's feedback on -mobile seeds.  Would you please review/accept and then respin mobile once it's published (a respin would also catch the kwin fix that was causing X crashes yesterday on mobile)
[16:43] <Quintasan> Mamarok: ping
[16:43] <Mamarok> Quintasan: pong
[16:44] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Do you know if there are any hacks required for Amarok from SVN or we can just go ahead and package it in project-neon?
[16:45]  * ScottK 's irony bell goes off.
[16:45] <Mamarok> ouch, no idea about neon TBH, also it would be Git, not SVN, we don't use SVN anymore since more than a year
[16:46] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: btw, I like muon a lot! Good work :)
[16:47] <Mamarok> Quintasan: why not asking apachelogger? He is the one who would know best about neon. I can only tell you about building from git
[16:47] <Quintasan> Mamarok: That's what I want to know exacly :) I'm the new maintainer of Neon with shadeslayer and yofel_
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:48] <Quintasan> Mamarok: and I'm wondering if we should already start bugging LP devs if something "extra" is required
[16:48] <Mamarok> Quintasan: for all dependencies, you can see here: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/ Despite the blog date, it is up-to-date
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw amarok also is in git.kde.org now, moved over from gitorious
[16:49]  * shadeslayer wonders if anyone knows what happened to jefferai
[16:49] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, read that blog post, it is up-to-date as I just said :)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i have it bookmarked :P
[16:49] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why? Did you try to ping him in #amarok?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: well... i cant connect to his quassel core
[16:50] <shadeslayer> and i thought he idled here as well
[16:50] <shadeslayer> and hes not there too ;)
[16:50] <Mamarok> the core is down AFAIK, write a mail
[16:50] <Mamarok> but it is Sunday at his place, maybe he is just out for the day
[16:51] <shadeslayer> *shrug* ... ill wait a few days and then ask :)
[16:51] <Quintasan> brrr
[16:51]  * Quintasan forgets all those project-neon's in package names
[16:51]  * shadeslayer tries to figure out QSignalMapper
[16:54] <shadeslayer> what would be the best class for a configuration dialog? like.. my config dialog will have loads of checkboxes to tick and un-tick options
[16:54] <Quintasan> DontTouchMeOrIWillExplode?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: :P
[16:55] <ulysses> DontTouchMeOrYOUWILLBEEXTERMINATED!
[16:56] <shadeslayer> http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKConfigDialog.html \o/
[16:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what are you plotting btw?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: plotting?
[16:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: doing
[16:56] <shadeslayer> im trying to make a zsync Qt/KDE UI
[16:56]  * shadeslayer pokes jjesse
[16:56] <Quintasan> WHY?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: because i can?
[16:57] <Quintasan> leave zsync alone
[16:57] <shadeslayer> whai? whats the problem?
[16:57] <Quintasan> you take away one command from my show-off list ;P
[16:57] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you can still use it from a terminal
[16:58] <Quintasan> like: look guys, I'm t3h master of zsync'z
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://gitorious.org/qzsync
[16:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yeah, but if it is a gui then everyone can use it :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> i havent gotten very far
[16:58] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:58]  * Quintasan implements some buffer overflows and commits
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dont tell them about the app then :P
[17:00]  * Quintasan puts some memory leaking magic in there as well
[17:00] <shadeslayer> hmm... question is ... do i *need* a config dialog?
[17:01] <Quintasan> dunno lol
[17:01] <Quintasan> ask some generic users
[17:01] <shadeslayer> dude there are like only 7 options to pass to zsync
[17:01] <Quintasan> meh
[17:01] <Quintasan> Then you want it
[17:02] <shadeslayer> and the only usefull one is :        -A hostname=username:password
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the rest are quite implicit
[17:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Taking options aways from users I see :>
[17:02] <Quintasan> APPLE LIKE APPROACH
[17:02] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[17:03] <Quintasan> lets pray that kdeedu will compile
[17:03] <shadeslayer> -i inputfile << that i plan to implement during the "Specify Download link"
[17:04]  * Quintasan notes he should do his homework in near future, like in 20 minutes
[17:04] <Quintasan> my todo is unusually large, I'd better sort it out
[17:17] <ScottK> nixternal: Can haz powerpc?
[17:17] <ScottK> BBIAB.
[17:23] <nixternal> ScottK: ppc firing up now
[18:08] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1177180 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (libmuon/MuonStrings.cpp muon/FilterWidget.cpp) Add a new filterable status, "Residual Config" showing uninstalled packages that still have config files lying around, and can be purged.
[18:17] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1177182 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ChangeLog ChangeLog++
[18:26] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1177184 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonStrings.cpp SVN_SILENT: Include cleanup
[18:29] <sheytan_> Hey guys
[18:29] <sheytan_> need some opinions on this http://i.imgur.com/cdCyg.jpg :D
[18:30] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: nice
[18:32] <sheytan_> shadeslayer thank you :)
[18:58] <sheytan_> Riddell ping pong
[18:58] <sheytan_> Riddell dantti said something about kpk in you ppa
[18:58] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1177190 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a markPackagesForAutoRemove() method that acts like apt-get autoremove
[18:58] <sheytan_> may i have it for testing? ;)
[19:02] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1177191 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Emit packageChanged so that the current system knows that something has changed. I think we're going to change packageChanged behavior in the near future, though
[19:16] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks.
[19:17] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1177196 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h muonui.rc) Add a menu item to trigger the new QApt::Backend::markPackagesForAutoRemove() function
[19:47] <maksbotan> hi people
[19:47] <maksbotan> can u help with pykde?
[19:47] <maksbotan> what args must be passed to KAuth.HelperSupport.helperMain?
[20:16] <ScottK> nixternal: All done.  Thanks.
[20:16] <ScottK> (I shut it down)