[00:00] stlsaint: kisses? [00:00] what? [00:06] sebsebseb: huh? [00:07] stlsaint: why did you type, kisses?? [00:07] 22:27 < diana1068> im going to sleep now. thank u very much. KISSES [00:10] can anyone help me?i am very new to ubuntu. [00:11] pleaseee [00:11] Gogi: sure...whats up? === harrison is now known as harrisonk [02:19] is there anyone here that is good at python programming? [02:19] harrisonk, define good [02:19] :) [02:20] is expereanced, has done a few programs [02:20] harrisonk, depending on your problem, I might be able to help. what is your question? [02:20] one moment [02:21] https://launchpad.net/climm [02:21] it is my take on a simple money manager [02:22] I see [02:23] I know what I want I just don't know how to get it into a working program [02:23] is there an exact problem? [02:24] check the blueprints, I can't save to a file yet and I don't have an input checker [02:26] I need to add a transaxtion manager to keep track of all the operations. [02:29] harrisonk, how much python do you know? maybe you should learn some more before trying to code a complete program [02:33] not as much as I should going into this but I know the basics like print 'hello world' and variables. [02:33] and a few other things [02:34] wazzup ya'll [02:34] python [02:35] ah [02:35] so how's everyone? [02:35] zkriesse: this: https://launchpad.net/climm [02:35] harrisonk, definitely learn more [02:35] thought so [02:35] what's this? [02:35] it is my take on a simple money manager [02:36] ah [02:36] needs a lot of work! [02:36] harrisonk, we have set up a dev academy python class. it happens weekly, saturdays at 17:00 UTC. we just had our first lesson today [02:37] 17:00 UTC what is that in easteren time US+Canada [02:37] *? [02:38] sorry I am not good with GMT and UTC [02:38] harrisonk, what time is it there right now? [02:38] 9:38 PM [02:39] harrisonk, it's 1 PM then [02:39] the classes [02:39] in my time? [02:40] harrisonk: yea 1pm in your time [02:40] pedro3005: another week of studying and im going to be coming back to ya for python projects :P [02:41] pedro3005: and dont you dare point me to zeuler or however you spell it >:P [02:41] What is the -!- mode/#ubuntu-beginners [+v zkriesse] by ChanServ about? [02:41] harrisonk: that is chanserv giving zkriesse voice to the room [02:41] or what does the +v mean? [02:41] voice [02:41] stlsaint, Project Euler ftw [02:41] okay what are some others [02:42] pedro3005: a day in the distant future maybe [02:42] harrisonk, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/chapter4.html#c4_2_3 [02:42] thanks [02:42] stlsaint, persistence! [02:42] pedro3005: lately ive just been working with the different ways to start working with methods for int and strings [02:43] pedro3005: plan on getting really familiar with slices and all its different uses [02:43] stlsaint, that's cool. try this: some_string[::-1] [02:44] pedro3005: isnt that going to output the last letter of the string or since its two :: will that flip to the first letter of the string? [02:44] stlsaint, try. it. [02:44] :P [02:44] i remember seeing that some time ago [02:45] pedro3005: how do I get to these python meating? [02:45] harrisonk, just be at #ubuntu-classroom when it's time [02:47] where can I get a list of the classes on #ubuntu-classroom? [02:47] pedro3005: hehe, aye i knew i had seen that before ;P [02:48] pedro3005: sorted(var, reverse=True) [02:48] pedro3005: mine is "prettier" :D [02:49] harrisonk, http://is.gd/8rtIi [02:49] stlsaint, that returns a list [02:49] harrisonk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom [02:50] stlsaint, challenge: make it a string [02:50] :P [02:50] make what a string? [02:51] stlsaint, the returned value of your sorted function [02:52] pedro3005: that would just be what you did with ::-1 [02:53] stlsaint, indeed. but if you have a list. how do you make it a string? [02:54] pedro3005: aye, one sec, i know i wil have to use .join [02:55] stlsaint, good [02:56] pedro3005: aye, got it [02:56] Bonjour theXpert [02:56] pedro3005: so my var (a) is assinged to chicken [02:56] a='chicken' [02:56] Hey guys this should be in -dev should it not? [02:56] then i use sort with reverse to flip the string [02:57] zkriesse: aye you are correct senor [02:57] zkriesse: good call [03:03] hello Haywire_ [03:04] harrisonk, Hey, what's up...kinda quiet, eh? [03:05] you just mised the rush-hour [03:05] Haywire_: yo [03:05] or half hour [03:05] i was in here till zkriesse kicked me out [03:05] my stuff's all behaving...for now....just lurking.. [03:06] Haywire_: cool [03:07] I might actually be getting the hang of this linux stuff...;-) - Got mine triple booting Xubuntu, Puppy, and Win XP ... [03:07] harrisonk: a command line interface money manager?? [03:08] stlsaint: yes that is what it is called [03:08] harrisonk: hrm, you may want to get your claws into pygtk and throw a front-end on that application of yours [03:09] I plan to build something like a backend for any program to put a frontend on [03:09] or rather programer [03:10] harrisonk: oh ok [03:10] lol [03:10] ok gotta go eat dinner [03:10] thats cool, can be a double edge sword though, what if a non-programmer just wants to use the program without having to write a frontend? o_O [03:10] that way people can focus on the looks and not the backend when building a money manager [03:12] stlsaint: that is a good point but someone can take this backend and put there frontend on it and the non-programer can use that program. [03:12] *their [03:14] harrisonk: well that depends on someone else taking the time to make the frontend [03:15] well that would come after the backend GTKMM would then start [03:15] harrisonk: what language are you going to use? [03:15] Programming or say english or french? [03:16] programming [03:16] python, would there be a better one? [03:16] well any language could be a better one depending on what your wanting to do but for this project i would say either python or ruby [03:16] naw, screw ruby, go with python [03:17] harrisonk: how long you been studying python? [03:17] I don't exacly know. [03:17] hrm, months..years? [03:17] weeks? [03:18] less than 1 year but getting close [03:18] off and on [03:18] oh ok, we have a -dev channel if you ever need help with something [03:19] trying to find a tutorial that doesn't go from hello world to gobily gook [03:19] -dev being #ubuntu-beginners-dev? [03:19] yep [03:21] moving away from python are you good at file system recovery? [03:21] harrisonk: aside from formatting....nope [03:21] harrisonk: puppy :D [03:22] puppy? [03:22] Puppy Linux? [03:22] harrisonk: puppy linux, Haywire_ said they were using it [03:22] aye [03:24] you have me confused, what does puppy have to do with FS recovery or python? [03:24] nvm, i just scrolled up to a comment he made earlier [03:25] harrisonk: have you checked repos? [03:25] fiar enough [03:25] *fair [03:25] harrisonk: really what do you mean file system recovery.... [03:25] one moment [03:29] here is the error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/496223/ [03:30] harrisonk: hrm, have you been tampering with fstab? [03:32] no [03:32] harrisonk: what filesystem is on /dev/sda5? [03:32] ext4 [03:32] my root directory [03:32] (/) [03:33] why is / on sda5.... [03:33] I have no idea. [03:33] ?? [03:34] harrisonk: im going to need two things from you [03:35] 1. Put the output of command: sudo fdisk -l #into pastebin [03:35] okay will do [03:35] 2.Also put the contents of your /etc/fstab #file into pastebin as well [03:36] I am running a live cd on the sick system so it may take a while [03:37] pastebin.ubuntu.com/496225 [03:38] I can't get the fstab file because it is on the "damanged" file system [03:39] you cant navigate to it via terminal? [03:39] you will probably have to force mount it [03:39] or you could do one better...one sec [03:39] yep [03:41] go here and download the script and run it. it is going to put a document on your desktop or in your / of livecd called RESULTS.txt, pastebin the contents of it for me [03:41] http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/ [03:41] ^^site [03:42] I remember that off the forums [03:43] harrisonk: yep, very useful, i ran it just to get my system info on doc for quick and easy access :D [03:44] who wrote that script? [03:44] or what is the persons nick on the forums [03:46] * harrisonk is working as fast as he can [03:46] harrisonk: meierfra [03:46] on forums [03:46] right that is who wrote it [03:47] yep [03:47] ddecator: sup [03:47] stlsaint: nm, you? [03:48] ddecator: chilling, passed A+ exam today so im certified in it, small step but its a step none the less ;) [03:49] stlsaint: very nice! what subject? [03:49] ddecator: no i mean the CompTIA A+ certification exam [03:50] stlsaint: ah, gotcha. well congrats :) [03:50] stlsaint where would I find the results.txt file? [03:51] stlsaint and should it be run as root? [03:52] harrisonk: it should come up on your desktop or it might be in (/). As you are on the livecd you just have to run sudo -i to get to root [03:52] no password of course [03:54] could it be in the roots home folder? [03:55] maybe [03:55] nope not anywhere [03:55] should we try force mounting? [03:55] harrisonk: open a terminal and run: locate RESULTS.txt #yes with the capitals as such [03:56] do I include the #yes? [03:58] hehe no [03:58] ether way nothing showed [03:58] harrisonk: the results.txt will probably be where ever you ran it from... [03:58] are you sure you ran the script? [03:59] I ran it as follows: sudo sh boot_info_script055.sh [03:59] harrisonk: copy the script to your desktop and run this command: sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script*.sh [03:59] okay [04:00] it is working! === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohan_chml [04:01] hello Mohan_chml [04:02] heya harrisonk. Morning/night =] [04:02] ;) [04:02] night being 11:02 [04:03] how is tomorrow loking? [04:03] *looking [04:04] harrisonk: when its done you should see the results.txt on your desktop [04:04] stlsaint: it is done it's just the live cd is slow [04:05] harrisonk, it is morning 8:33 here :P [04:08] kk [04:08] JoeSett_: hello [04:13] stlsaint I haven't left it's just I have a lot running off a live cd (the stuff you told me to do and what I had on before.) [04:13] aye [04:14] stlsaint what is your curent time? [04:14] 10:14 pm [04:15] so that would be central time am I not right? [04:15] (in texas) [04:16] harrisonk: yep, killeen, TX [04:17] I could tell by looking at your launchpad page [04:17] oh? [04:17] harrisonk, whats your launchpad id? [04:17] you stalking me :P [04:17] harrbis [04:18] stlsaint no I just had a look and you where part of the texas group and I assumed you live in texas. [04:19] harrisonk, change the smiley under IRC [04:19] here is you pastebin.ubuntu.com/496237 with a side of eggs fried [04:19] stlsaint: hi. === JoeSett_ is now known as JoeMaverickSett [04:19] mohan_chml: say again please. [04:19] harrisonk, you can help when you expertise them by watching here [04:19] harrisonk, I am at your Wikki [04:19] wiki* [04:21] harrisonk: well first thing i notice is that you do not have grub installed [04:21] Wiki? [04:21] Who said wiki?!?! [04:21] where mohan_chml? [04:21] Mohan_chml did [04:21] ok.. [04:22] harrisonk, found it? [04:22] harrisonk: what's your wiki link please [04:22] must see! [04:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Harrisonk [04:22] Zach^ [04:22] I must see all newcomers wiki pages as I'm a wiki guru [04:22] wiki.ubuntu.com/Harrisonk [04:23] Are you now zkriesse ;) [04:23] harrisonk: lol [04:23] harrisonk, he will be =] [04:23] Guys, tell harrisonk what a wiki nut I am [04:23] harrisonk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zkriesse [04:23] I can already tell [04:23] harrisonk, Zach has a nick ThatWikiGuy [04:23] I think nothing more to say :D [04:24] harrisonk: you must have installed ubuntu then installed windows again [04:25] harrisonk: actually you have a borked install in general, i highly suggest you reinstall ubuntu [04:25] Guys lets goto -team [04:25] Mohan_chml: good call [04:25] I reinstalled the xp boot loader so that I could boot into Xp as my brother and sisters math program is on there. [04:26] harrisonk: grub handles booting into ANYTHING on your computer [04:26] harrisonk: seems you have linux on /sda2 and /sda5 but neither are aware of each other [04:26] If it's a bootable OS, GRUB handles it [04:27] but if the file system is corupt then /boot is corupt and thus GRUB is curupted [04:27] harrisonk: you have /sda2 showing as having windows on it but its label is linux with a DOS UUID [04:27] huh! [04:27] harrisonk: you cant corrupt what you dont have [04:28] but I had it! [04:28] I will get over it and I might make more backups! [04:28] harrisonk: wait i take that back...you have a linux UUID but its contents are mixed with windows and linux [04:29] ehter way it is a lot to take in! [04:29] harrisonk: well if you want to we can take some steps to repair the system :D (though it will have to wait until tomorrow) [04:29] 1. Install grub [04:29] okay [04:29] 2. Mount that harddrive and find fstab [04:30] okay [04:30] 3. Compare fstab to what that results doc shows in the fdisk and blkid section and make sure it matches to what fstab is using [04:30] okay [04:30] 4. Update grub and reboot :D [04:31] JackStonewall: hello [04:31] Tomorrow night as I am busy all day tomorrow. [04:31] very well [04:31] Greetings all. Running Ubuntu Lucid and trying to figure out if there's a way to force NM to always be disabled upon boot. I've got a klugey solution (forcing the NetworkManager.state and then restarting the service from my rc.local) but this somehow just feels wrong. Ideas? [04:31] i can chat, but im multitasking so i cant give full attention to isse ..sorrys [04:32] JackStonewall: remove it from start apps [04:32] s/start/startup === harrisonk is now known as harrisonk_is_ZZZ [04:33] stlsaint: Will I still have the applet icon in my panel? [04:34] You should but it wont work until you start it [04:34] stlsaint: Hmm... I'll give that a shot and see how that works. Thanks for the tip. [04:34] yep yep [04:43] l8er folks [04:55] hi, i got a question about Ubuntu desktop === BBY_Lafayette is now known as sco === sco is now known as dengaku_sco [04:58] wow, 3 minutes later and i didn't even get to ask what the question was.. [04:59] is the reason i cant access my programs like Winamp and such because its the desktop version? [05:03] dengaku_sco, winamp isn't a native ubuntu application. there are alternatives for ubuntu like rhythmbox. if you must use winamp you can try using wine to run it. [05:04] well it's not just Winamp, but stuff like GIMP and games and programs ingeneral [05:05] dengaku_sco, you are logged in with GNOME enviroinment? [05:05] environment* [05:05] uum, no [05:06] Mohan_chml, he may not know what GNOME is ;-) [05:06] somewhat [05:06] not sure about 10.04, but 9.10 comes with gimp and games. [05:07] thought i heard some time back that gimp wasn't going to be included on a desktop install. [05:07] temposs, :D [05:07] seidos, GIMP is not included by default in 10.04 [05:07] temposs, :( [05:07] but it is available in the software center, as usual [05:07] well, they have their reasons i'm sure. [05:08] i have it on the hard drive, but it wont run it like all my other Win programs [05:08] dengaku_sco, on the hard drive? where on the hard drive? [05:09] seidos, he's copied over his programs from his Windows install, and he's trying to run all his WIndows apps [05:09] C\: Programs [05:09] dengaku_sco, you are using wine??? [05:09] no [05:09] Mohan_chml, he probably doesn't know what WINE is ;-) [05:09] dengaku_sco, then where can you find C ?? [05:09] a little, but i thought Linux could run all Win proags [05:09] programs [05:10] dengaku_sco, Shall we start from scratch? [05:10] dengaku_sco, Linux cannot run all Windows programs [05:10] ahh [05:10] * Mohan_chml needs two minutes silence [05:10] dengaku_sco, Let me explain about Ubuntu first [05:10] ..k [05:12] ubuntu has the file structure as / , /home , /root , /boot and you can find it by going to File System in Computer which you can find it in places [05:13] Ubuntu runs applications with the extension .deb [05:13] ok [05:13] .exe will not be executable in Ubuntu [05:13] ah [05:13] for that you can install Wine to run a windows application [05:13] !Wine [05:13] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [05:14] you can find the details about wine there [05:14] and [05:14] Mohan_chml, well, ubuntu runs binary files... like gimp in /usr/bin/gimp etc. [05:14] seidos, I dont wanna confuse him at the beginning, telling about the executables =] [05:15] dengaku_sco, But, you can find an alternate for whatever .exe file you like to run in your machine [05:16] i saw all the programs in the ..list thingy [05:16] didnt try them really. (im in Vista right now) [05:17] dengaku_sco, can you tell the path of what you mentioned? applications-> programming? [05:17] dengaku_sco, Okay! [05:17] dengaku_sco, what application you use in Win X? [05:18] for anything specific? [05:19] [hmm, i guess because the Firefox in Ubntu is a .deb thing, that's the reason it doesnt have my addons or bookmarks] [05:22] dengaku_sco, no, it's because ubuntu and windows don't talk to each other O_o [05:22] aah [05:23] dengaku_sco, you can export your firefox bookmarks though. then save it somewhere on your windows drive, and then import them into firefox in ubuntu [05:23] assuming you can see your windows partition (piece of hard drive with windows on it), which i think you said you could. [05:24] been trying to fine the folder or file with the bookmarks, but i guess it's named funny [05:24] actually i can only really see a main file of mine [05:24] yeah, not sure what it would be under windows off the top of my head. [05:24] one i made [05:25] see a file in ubuntu that is on your windows partition? [05:26] yep. i have all my pics and install files. it's my "shove all my crud" folder [05:28] tho i did put a copy of it on my second in-case hard drive [05:29] dengaku_sco, so can you copy files from your windows partition to your ubuntu partition? [05:29] on my SD card [05:29] well, that works [05:32] firefox bookmarks? use Sync [05:32] no idea if that's actually relevant to what was being discussed, just throwing that out there [05:33] Sync? [05:34] it's an add-on for 3.6 and will be built-in to 4.0, it syncs bookmarks, tabs, history, passwords (which you can enable/disable indvidually) between your desktops. so if you use firefox in multiple places, they will all stay updated [05:34] also works with fennec (but that's still in development) [05:34] awesome, another thing i need [05:35] thanks dude [05:35] no problem :) [05:46] ahh, now i see why that guys was so insistent on me using the ubntu progs [05:46] guy* [05:49] what's that? [05:52] so that more ppl use the ubntu programs instead of the Win programs, so that influences more use of the ubntu. which also influences development of further ubntu programs [05:53] (got this from the Wine FAQ) [05:55] true, plus native applications run more smoothly and look better typically [05:56] that too. tho i dont know. the ubnt Firefox seems to d/l webpages slower [05:57] that could be an ipv6 issue, if that's still around. are you using lucid and the latest firefox? [05:57] could be a lot of flash on the websites you are downloading. [05:58] oh flash...on that note, the new 64-bit "square" is working well for me [06:00] cant be flash. the ubnt Firefox doesnt have any java [06:00] i've using firefox 4.0 on maverick and it's just as fast as chromium for me [06:00] icedtea is the opensource version of java, and flash is included in the ubuntu-restricted-extras package [06:00] i've been using* [06:02] java is restricted on ubnt? [06:02] you can use the standard java, but icedtea is the one that is included (i think) and should work fine === saji89 is now known as Guest70502 === Guest70502 is now known as saji_nedi === saji_nedi is now known as opensorcerer === opensorcerer is now known as saji89 [07:08] well, thanks for the help ll that helped. ill be back if i have more questions [07:41] hi [07:41] hello AbhiJit [07:42] :) === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [08:24] can someone help me with an issue i have with the login screen? [08:24] bdogg, what is it? [08:24] the resolution is wrong for the login screen [08:24] seems to bet set at 1024X748 [08:24] (cant really tell) [08:25] but my default setting is 1440X900 [08:25] how can i fix it [08:26] bdogg, you can edit GRUB [08:26] what do you mean [08:27] i dont really think it has to do with grub [08:27] bdogg, install this https://launchpad.net/gdm2setup and see if you can change resolution from there [08:27] because when the pythom theme load [08:27] bdogg, after installing you will find it in system>preferences>gdm2long [08:27] bdogg, its a try [08:27] *loads [08:27] the screen resolution is normal [08:28] im using maverick btw [08:28] :o [08:28] bdogg, try editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg , find the line GRUB_GFXMODE and set the resolution [08:28] bdogg, ask in #ubuntu+a [08:29]