[00:06] AlanBell: design, leadership += ubingo [00:07] design is in, but I will add leadership [00:07] and council [00:08] d'oh, design is in there [00:08] jcastro: important new UDS resource -> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk [00:09] duanedesign: there are about 55 words, it shows 30 at random [00:09] AlanBell: would be funny if everyone had soda pop instead of beer. Can you imagine giving a talk and the entire audience drinking in unison (in what appears to you to be random times) [00:09] lol [00:10] heh, someone actually going could print out a stack for people to pick up on the way in [02:31] AlanBell: Improvements [03:23] nigelb: friendly wager, whoever gets fewer words marked off in ubingo has to buy lunch :) [03:24] duanedesign: can't be fewer, must be all! [03:24] oh wait, yah. I get it [03:28] :) no lobster. Just Bigmacs [11:37] good afternoon/morning [11:37] aloha sense [11:38] hi czajkowski! [13:53] oh wise jcastro! where art thine "videos for bp" !? ;) [16:02] Ive 2 months free mindmeister for 5 people if anyone needs. just pm me for a code. [16:07] gosh! seriously ben is *starting* to get annoying! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615300/comments/14 whats with the "Ubuntu Camp" reference? [16:07] Ubuntu bug 615300 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as "Sent from Ubuntu" (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Fix released] [16:17] vish: o.O [16:17] vish: https://answers.launchpad.net/malone/+question/124309 [16:19] AlanBell: haha! nice! [16:20] shame the answer was no [16:20] but it is silly when he says "Ubuntu Camp" .. if it is a reference to members then he is part of it... [16:20] if not , what camp is he from? ;) [16:21] he was considering resigning his membership the other day, which I think would be a shame [16:22] to be fair adding a default signature is a somewhat sanity-light suggestion [16:23] AlanBell: well , its not about the point he is trying to make, its just the *way* he is trying to make the point is getting annoying.. [16:23] when I next catch Ben/Joey online I will suggest that in future bug related articles they have some standard text guiding people to the "affects me too" link [16:23] oh, declining membership!! in hopes of *not* being controlled by the COC ? hehe! [16:23] vish: +1 [16:24] vish: indeed, one reason why I don't want him to do that [16:24] Thankfully no one has proposed this for kmail yet :) [16:25] * AlanBell goes to file a bug against kmail [16:25] * nigelb goes to file bug against thunderbird [16:25] jussi: once gnome-shell gets too annoying .. we'll get to you ;p [16:25] vish: +1 [16:25] * jussi files a bug against AlanBell :D [16:26] vish: and we will sanely mark the bug as invalid... or maybe wont fix [16:26] :D [16:26] jussi: no , i meant , we'll switch to kde as the main for Ubuntu and annoy kde users ;) [16:27] vish: cripes... the world will end :D [16:27] :P [16:27] so anyway, no one wants a few months free mindmeister? [17:29] jussi: um, what? [17:44] nigelb: Ive 2 months free mindmeister for 5 people if anyone needs. just pm me for a code. [17:44] * nigelb had to google mindmeister [18:05] jussi: oye, you got some free time? [18:09] vish: what do you mean starting to ;) [18:09] czajkowski: well , i guess i have a higher threshold for pain tolerance ;) [18:10] vish: trust me , mine is rather hight [18:10] high [18:11] heh [18:12] I delete the rude spammy comments from my blog [18:12] * czajkowski dislikes rude people [18:12] * nigelb hugs czajkowski :) [18:12] better to delete than to engage IMHO [18:12] so true [18:13] wont give them a platform for their crap [18:18] nigelb: hi [18:18] jussi: you have time later for a call? [18:18] * nigelb wants to test google voice thingy [18:28] jussi: wooo, that was fun! [18:28] * nigelb is glad that 'it works' [18:37] Anyone attending UDS I've updated the wiki to have an attendees page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-N/Attendees [18:37] if you want to let people know your times of arrival so you cna hook up with others for taxis [18:59] If Ben talks about the Ubuntu Camp as a separate entity, coming up with all the ideas he dislikes, then it conveys to me that he doesn't feel he is a part of the Ubuntu community, or the group of people working on Ubuntu. He considers himself an outsider, an onlooker. [19:00] that needs fixing [19:00] sense: did you see the mail he wrong to -desktop about application raiting? [19:01] nigelb: Don't remember seeing it, maybe it was mass-archived along with the Bug Watch spam. :) [19:02] ugh, that was indeed massive. [19:03] The first batch for me was over five hundred. I saw bugs I didn't even remember dealing with, and in the beginning actually thought those required attention. [19:03] Not that I don't like Ben, but some antics are irritating. [19:04] sense: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-September/002637.html [19:04] I love jorge's reply [19:04] :P [19:04] Go Jorge! [19:05] aye he does rock [19:05] he is full of energy, like a bouncy puppy [19:05] given some training he could be useful [19:06] err not jcastro, he is not a puppy [19:06] :) [19:07] AlanBell: More like a Lynx? ;) [19:11] any reason why http://omgubuntu.co.uk/author/humphreybc should not be syndicated to planet Ubuntu? [19:11] yes it's OMG Ubuntu [19:11] and he has hiis own blong [19:11] *blog [19:12] I dont oppose really if he removes his exsiting blog and consolidates to this one. [19:12] and if there isn't any ads/branding on planet. [19:12] I wouldn't classify OMG!Ubuntu! as a personal blog, or a platform for personal blog posts, so I don't think it is very suitable for Planet Ubuntu. [19:13] AlanBell: come on , pls stop suggesting such ideas , even if it were meant as a joke [19:13] it is about Ubuntu, and by a member [19:13] vish: not joking [19:13] sense: not all the posts of course, but I see what AlanBell is saying. [19:13] AlanBell: well , he can post it in his blog. [19:13] AlanBell: why not there? [19:13] yeah [19:13] I am just working in mysterious ways [19:14] Based on my recollection of the planet ubuntu requirements, he could technically add that feed to the planet. It is an ubuntu member's posts and about ubuntu and in english [19:14] exactly, we can't stop it [19:15] unless we have another neckbeard like incident :p [19:16] Murphy's law of flickr: If you're hungry and look through flickr, you'll inevitably find pictures of food :p [19:16] lol [19:17] Perl law of regex: running autogen.sh causes regexes to fail, but only for one particular string, which seems regextechnically indistinguishable from the others. [19:18] regextechnically - I like that [19:19] :) [19:22] later folks, bed time :) [19:23] sense: Isn't Perl regex debugging fun ;) [19:24] nhandler: Absolutely! The past few weeks were the most fun I've had in a while! [19:24] sense: I've spent many evenings going back and forth between a regex and the text trying to figure out why it wasn't working. They really are a language in themselves [19:25] It's quite frustrating. [19:28] AlanBell: I think there's some precident for it happening. akgraner has the Ubuntu User blog that feeds to planet and I thought her personal blog did as well [19:31] my blog is an /author feed off a shared blog which is technically a company thing [19:33] AlanBell: does your blog come with a prefill of discuss commenters? [19:34] I tend not to attract the "angry teenager" demographic [19:34] but comments don't get syndicated anyhow [19:35] ;) [19:35] so how would you like OMGUbuntu to report on bugs in a less irritating way? [19:35] AlanBell: if your commenter's get out of line of COC , do you still keep their comments? [19:35] because that bug is totally reportable news [19:36] I really do not see bugs as news [19:36] AlanBell: would you delete the comments out of Line or do you highlight those very same comments? [19:36] vish: no, and to be fair, OMGUbuntu now has a comment moderation policy (which I had at least some part in pressurising them to do) [19:36] in fact I really hate seeing that kinda shite tbh [19:37] AlanBell: no , but the moderation is taken/used to their advantages.. [19:37] The bug was from Rick Spencer about adding the signature to Evolution, the news message was about the signature being added, illustrating the fact with the bug report. [19:37] I would rather fix the shite than keep it out of sight [19:37] They could have placed less attention on the bug, and more on the actual event. [19:37] AlanBell: but they do not want to fix the site [19:37] It is worth a discussion. [19:37] sense: indeed [19:37] sense: precisely [19:38] czajkowski: Well, to be fair, certain bugs are news. i.e. I'm sure there was a bug about switching the default photo application used in Ubuntu [19:38] AlanBell: it;s not about fixing, its, drawing the type of people who seem to flame things and refere to people as being in a Camp I object to [19:38] nhandler: we shall agree to disagree, bugs are not news :) [19:38] * AlanBell avoids cheap ossbarcamp gag [19:38] AlanBell: :) [19:38] czajkowski: What about security bugs? ;) [19:38] * AlanBell hugs czajkowski instead [19:40] security bugs tend not to be news [19:40] *sigh* [19:40] bugs are not news! [19:40] I hate Perl, I think. The two directories diff this little , but still 'r' won't build because something doesn't match a regex. [19:40] yeah, bugs are not news [19:40] Why? [19:41] in fact when I see them on sites I think of them as fillers if they've nothing to actually report on [19:41] some things that get reported in the launchpad bug system are not bugs [19:41] Very true. [19:41] Unfortunately... [19:41] things like the font maybe not making it into Maverick is reportable news [19:41] not really a bug as in "something broken in code that should work" [19:42] and the "lets add a signature to evolution" bug isn't technically a bug from the traditional definition [19:42] The crash of the first Ariana 5 rocket was a bug. Isn't that news? It was quite an expensive bug. [19:42] No, that was more a work-item. [19:44] (The Ariana 5 software bug caused a loss of $370 million, according to Wikipedia.) [21:29] duanedesign: ping [22:33] Now I have to work out what it is about jono that made him easier to draw than anyone else I've ever tried to do. [22:38] draw me ;-) [22:52] cjohnston: Any particiluar picture? And are you ok with being used as a immature artist model? :-P [22:55] doctormo: what did the jono drawing look like [22:56] uh oh [22:59] czajkowski: Keep one caveat in mind, I am not an artist: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2yz9gu [22:59] bottom right is very him [23:03] I was tempted to draw a party hat ont hat one and just have that. [23:05] hello all [23:05] HEY duanedesign! just the person [23:06] :) [23:07] doctormo: had a busy day. Just got a chance to sit down and sign on [23:08] duanedesign: Perfect, well the good news is that thanks to Manuel de la Pena, you're all funded. He said you should get the money via paypal hopefully by Tuesday. [23:09] duanedesign: And do let me know if anyone else donates, I've sent an email that we're done. But sometimes money pops through afterwards for some reason. [23:10] doctormo: well that is awaesome [23:11] so awesome I lost my ability spell [23:11] no wait I never had that [23:12] doctormo: if you have his email i would like to send a thank you [23:12] How apt, awesome: loosing one's breath at the sight of something. see irreverent. [23:13] definetly the whole experience has been overwhelming. It is exciting enough to get to go to UDS, On top of that the generousity of the community and it is awesome [23:14] Well I have to go and see a show and catch some dinner... or visa versa. be back later! [23:15] ok have fun [23:15] thanks