[00:06] <duanedesign> AlanBell: design, leadership += ubingo
[00:07] <AlanBell> design is in, but I will add leadership
[00:07] <AlanBell> and council
[00:08] <duanedesign> d'oh, design is in there
[00:08] <AlanBell> jcastro: important new UDS resource -> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk
[00:09] <AlanBell> duanedesign: there are about 55 words, it shows 30 at random
[00:09] <duanedesign> AlanBell: would be funny if everyone had soda pop instead of beer. Can you imagine giving a talk and the entire audience drinking in unison (in what appears to you to be random times)
[00:09] <AlanBell> lol
[00:10] <AlanBell> heh, someone actually going could print out a stack for people to pick up on the way in
[02:31] <nigelb> AlanBell: Improvements
[03:23] <duanedesign> nigelb: friendly wager, whoever gets fewer words marked off in ubingo has to buy lunch :)
[03:24] <nigelb> duanedesign: can't be fewer, must be all!
[03:24] <nigelb> oh wait, yah. I get it
[03:28] <duanedesign> :) no lobster. Just Bigmacs
[11:37] <sense> good afternoon/morning
[11:37] <czajkowski> aloha sense
[11:38] <sense> hi czajkowski!
[13:53] <vish> oh wise jcastro! where art thine "videos for bp" !? ;)
[16:02] <jussi> Ive 2 months free mindmeister for 5 people if anyone needs. just pm me for a code.
[16:07] <vish> gosh! seriously ben is *starting* to get annoying! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615300/comments/14  whats with the "Ubuntu Camp" reference?
[16:07] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615300 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as "Sent from Ubuntu" (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:17] <nigelb> vish: o.O
[16:17] <AlanBell> vish: https://answers.launchpad.net/malone/+question/124309
[16:19] <vish> AlanBell: haha! nice!
[16:20] <AlanBell> shame the answer was no
[16:20] <vish> but it is silly when he says  "Ubuntu Camp" .. if it is a reference to members then he is part of it...
[16:20] <vish> if not , what camp is he from? ;)
[16:21] <AlanBell> he was considering resigning his membership the other day, which I think would be a shame
[16:22] <AlanBell> to be fair adding a default signature is a somewhat sanity-light suggestion
[16:23] <vish> AlanBell: well , its not about the point he is trying to make, its just the *way* he is trying to make the point is getting annoying..
[16:23] <AlanBell> when I next catch Ben/Joey online I will suggest that in future bug related articles they have some standard text guiding people to the "affects me too" link
[16:23] <vish> oh, declining membership!! in hopes of *not* being controlled by the COC ?  hehe!
[16:23] <jussi> vish: +1
[16:24] <AlanBell> vish: indeed, one reason why I don't want him to do that
[16:24] <jussi> Thankfully no one has proposed this for kmail yet :)
[16:25]  * AlanBell goes to file a bug against kmail
[16:25]  * nigelb goes to file bug against thunderbird
[16:25] <vish> jussi: once gnome-shell gets too annoying .. we'll get to you ;p
[16:25] <nigelb> vish: +1
[16:25]  * jussi files a bug against AlanBell :D
[16:26] <jussi> vish: and we will sanely mark the bug as invalid... or maybe wont fix
[16:26] <jussi> :D
[16:26] <vish> jussi: no , i meant , we'll switch to kde as the main for Ubuntu and annoy kde users ;)
[16:27] <jussi> vish: cripes... the world will end :D
[16:27] <jussi> :P
[16:27] <jussi> so anyway, no one wants a few months free mindmeister?
[17:29] <nigelb> jussi: um, what?
[17:44] <vish> nigelb:  <jussi> Ive 2 months free mindmeister for 5 people if anyone needs. just pm me for a code.
[17:44]  * nigelb had to google mindmeister
[18:05] <nigelb> jussi: oye, you got some free time?
[18:09] <czajkowski> vish: what do you mean starting to ;)
[18:09] <vish> czajkowski: well , i guess i have a higher threshold for pain tolerance ;)
[18:10] <czajkowski> vish: trust me , mine is rather hight
[18:10] <czajkowski> high
[18:11] <nigelb> heh
[18:12] <czajkowski> I delete the rude spammy comments from my blog
[18:12]  * czajkowski dislikes rude people 
[18:12]  * nigelb hugs czajkowski :)
[18:12] <nigelb> better to delete than to engage IMHO
[18:12] <czajkowski> so true
[18:13] <czajkowski> wont give them a platform for their crap
[18:18] <jussi> nigelb: hi
[18:18] <nigelb> jussi: you have time later for a call?
[18:18]  * nigelb wants to test google voice thingy
[18:28] <nigelb> jussi: wooo, that was fun!
[18:28]  * nigelb is glad that 'it works'
[18:37] <czajkowski> Anyone attending UDS I've updated the wiki to have an attendees page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-N/Attendees
[18:37] <czajkowski> if you want to let people know your times of arrival so you cna hook up with others for taxis
[18:59] <sense> If Ben talks about the Ubuntu Camp as a separate entity, coming up with all the ideas he dislikes, then it conveys to me that he doesn't feel he is a part of the Ubuntu community, or the group of people working on Ubuntu. He considers himself an outsider, an onlooker.
[19:00] <AlanBell> that needs fixing
[19:00] <nigelb> sense: did you see the mail he wrong to -desktop about application raiting?
[19:01] <sense> nigelb: Don't remember seeing it, maybe it was mass-archived along with the Bug Watch spam. :)
[19:02] <nigelb> ugh, that was indeed massive.
[19:03] <sense> The first batch for me was over five hundred. I saw bugs I didn't even remember dealing with, and in the beginning actually thought those required attention.
[19:03] <nigelb> Not that I don't like Ben, but some antics are irritating.
[19:04] <nigelb> sense: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-September/002637.html
[19:04] <nigelb> I love jorge's reply
[19:04] <sense> :P
[19:04] <sense> Go Jorge!
[19:05] <czajkowski> aye he does rock
[19:05] <AlanBell> he is full of energy, like a bouncy puppy
[19:05] <AlanBell> given some training he could be useful
[19:06] <AlanBell> err not jcastro, he is not a puppy
[19:06] <sense> :)
[19:07] <nigelb> AlanBell: More like a Lynx? ;)
[19:11] <AlanBell> any reason why http://omgubuntu.co.uk/author/humphreybc should not be syndicated to planet Ubuntu?
[19:11] <czajkowski> yes it's OMG Ubuntu
[19:11] <czajkowski> and he has hiis own blong
[19:11] <czajkowski> *blog
[19:12] <nigelb> I dont oppose really if he removes his exsiting blog and consolidates to this one.
[19:12] <nigelb> and if there isn't any ads/branding on planet.
[19:12] <sense> I wouldn't classify OMG!Ubuntu! as a personal blog, or a platform for personal blog posts, so I don't think it is very suitable for Planet Ubuntu.
[19:13] <vish> AlanBell: come on , pls stop suggesting such ideas , even if it were meant as a joke
[19:13] <AlanBell> it is about Ubuntu, and by a member
[19:13] <AlanBell> vish: not joking
[19:13] <nigelb> sense: not all the posts of course, but I see what AlanBell is saying.
[19:13] <vish> AlanBell: well , he can post it in his blog.
[19:13] <vish> AlanBell: why not there?
[19:13] <sense> yeah
[19:13] <AlanBell> I am just working in mysterious ways
[19:14] <nhandler> Based on my recollection of the planet ubuntu requirements, he could technically add that feed to the planet. It is an ubuntu member's posts and about ubuntu and in english
[19:14] <nigelb> exactly, we can't stop it
[19:15] <nigelb> unless we have another neckbeard like incident :p
[19:16] <nigelb> Murphy's law of flickr: If you're hungry and look through flickr, you'll inevitably find pictures of food :p
[19:16] <AlanBell> lol
[19:17] <sense> Perl law of regex: running autogen.sh causes regexes to fail, but only for one particular string, which seems regextechnically indistinguishable from the others.
[19:18] <nigelb> regextechnically - I like that
[19:19] <sense> :)
[19:22] <nigelb> later folks, bed time :)
[19:23] <nhandler> sense: Isn't Perl regex debugging fun ;)
[19:24] <sense> nhandler: Absolutely! The past few weeks were the most fun I've had in a while!
[19:24] <nhandler> sense: I've spent many evenings going back and forth between a regex and the text trying to figure out why it wasn't working. They really are a language in themselves
[19:25] <sense> It's quite frustrating.
[19:28] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I think there's some precident for it happening. akgraner has the Ubuntu User blog that feeds to planet and I thought her personal blog did as well
[19:31] <AlanBell> my blog is an /author feed off a shared blog which is technically a company thing
[19:33] <vish> AlanBell: does your blog come with a prefill of discuss commenters?
[19:34] <AlanBell> I tend not to attract the "angry teenager" demographic
[19:34] <AlanBell> but comments don't get syndicated anyhow
[19:35] <vish> ;)
[19:35] <AlanBell> so how would you like OMGUbuntu to report on bugs in a less irritating way?
[19:35] <vish> AlanBell: if your commenter's get out of line of COC , do you still keep their comments?
[19:35] <AlanBell> because that bug is totally reportable news
[19:36] <czajkowski> I really do not see bugs as news
[19:36] <vish> AlanBell: would you delete the comments out of Line or do you highlight those very same comments?
[19:36] <AlanBell> vish: no, and to be fair, OMGUbuntu now has a comment moderation policy (which I had at least some part in pressurising them to do)
[19:36] <czajkowski> in fact I really hate seeing that kinda shite tbh
[19:37] <vish> AlanBell: no , but the moderation is taken/used to their advantages..
[19:37] <sense> The bug was from Rick Spencer about adding the signature to Evolution, the news message was about the signature being added, illustrating the fact with the bug report.
[19:37] <AlanBell> I would rather fix the shite than keep it out of sight
[19:37] <sense> They could have placed less attention on the bug, and more on the actual event.
[19:37] <vish> AlanBell: but they do not want to fix the site
[19:37] <sense> It is worth a discussion.
[19:37] <czajkowski> sense: indeed
[19:37] <AlanBell> sense: precisely
[19:38] <nhandler> czajkowski: Well, to be fair, certain bugs are news. i.e. I'm sure there was a bug about switching the default photo application used in Ubuntu
[19:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: it;s not about fixing, its, drawing the type of people who seem to flame things and refere to people as being in a Camp I object to
[19:38] <czajkowski> nhandler: we shall agree to disagree, bugs are not news :)
[19:38]  * AlanBell avoids cheap ossbarcamp gag
[19:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: :)
[19:38] <sense> czajkowski: What about security bugs? ;)
[19:38]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski instead
[19:40] <AlanBell> security bugs tend not to be news
[19:40] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[19:40] <czajkowski> bugs are not news!
[19:40] <sense> I hate Perl, I think. The two directories diff this little <http://paste.ubuntu.com/496615/>, but still 'r' won't build because something doesn't match a regex.
[19:40] <AlanBell> yeah, bugs are not news
[19:40] <sense> Why?
[19:41] <czajkowski> in fact when I see them on sites I think of them as fillers if they've nothing to actually report on
[19:41] <AlanBell> some things that get reported in the launchpad bug system are not bugs
[19:41] <sense> Very true.
[19:41] <sense> Unfortunately...
[19:41] <AlanBell> things like the font maybe not making it into Maverick is reportable news
[19:41] <AlanBell> not really a bug as in "something broken in code that should work"
[19:42] <AlanBell> and the "lets add a signature to evolution" bug isn't technically a bug from the traditional definition
[19:42] <sense> The crash of the first Ariana 5 rocket was a bug. Isn't that news? It was quite an expensive bug.
[19:42] <sense> No, that was more a work-item.
[19:44] <sense> (The Ariana 5 software bug caused a loss of $370 million, according to Wikipedia.)
[21:29] <doctormo> duanedesign: ping
[22:33] <doctormo> Now I have to work out what it is about jono that made him easier to draw than anyone else I've ever tried to do.
[22:38] <cjohnston> draw me ;-)
[22:52] <doctormo> cjohnston: Any particiluar picture? And are you ok with being used as a immature artist model? :-P
[22:55] <czajkowski> doctormo: what did the jono drawing look like
[22:56] <cjohnston> uh oh
[22:59] <doctormo> czajkowski: Keep one caveat in mind, I am not an artist: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2yz9gu
[22:59] <czajkowski> bottom right is very him
[23:03] <doctormo> I was tempted to draw a party hat ont hat one and just have that.
[23:05] <duanedesign> hello all
[23:05] <doctormo> HEY duanedesign! just the person
[23:06] <duanedesign> :)
[23:07] <duanedesign> doctormo: had a busy day. Just got a chance to sit down and sign on
[23:08] <doctormo> duanedesign: Perfect, well the good news is that thanks to Manuel de la Pena, you're all funded. He said you should get the money via paypal hopefully by Tuesday.
[23:09] <doctormo> duanedesign: And do let me know if anyone else donates, I've sent an email that we're done. But sometimes money pops through afterwards for some reason.
[23:10] <duanedesign> doctormo: well that is awaesome
[23:11] <duanedesign> so awesome I lost my ability spell
[23:11] <duanedesign> no wait I never had that
[23:12] <duanedesign> doctormo: if you have his email i would like to send a thank you
[23:12] <doctormo> How apt, awesome: loosing one's breath at the sight of something. see irreverent.
[23:13] <duanedesign> definetly the whole experience has been overwhelming. It is exciting enough to get to go to UDS, On top of that the generousity of the community and it is awesome
[23:14] <doctormo> Well I have to go and see a show and catch some dinner... or visa versa. be back later!
[23:15] <duanedesign> ok have fun
[23:15] <duanedesign> thanks