=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [15:19] kenvandine: bug 628866 - was this an intentional decision? why are we not following the 'standard' for branding twitter clients, but setting it to the host OS name rather than the app. [15:19] Launchpad bug 628866 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber identifies as 'ubuntu for ubuntu' to twitter (affects: 5) (heat: 333)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628866 [15:21] popey: mine is back saying gwibber just gwibber [15:21] no os or anything [15:22] fagan: what version of gwibber? [15:22] the latest in maverick [15:22] what version? [15:22] ill go check [15:22] 2.31.94-0ubuntu1 here [15:22] 2.39.94 [15:22] yeah the same [15:23] do a message from the me menu and it says gwibber [15:23] not ubuntu [15:23] i am not using the me menu [15:23] I am using gwibber, lemme message you [15:24] Oh its identica that says gwibber [15:24] twitter says ubuntu [15:24] I just tested it [15:24] yes, because when you authed to twitter the oath bit says "Ubuntu on Ubuntu" [15:24] and it keeps that [15:24] ah thats weird [15:25] could try deleting twitter account in gwibber and reauthing [15:25] see if it still says ubuntu [15:25] blimey, takes about 30 seconds to remove your account [15:25] gwibber locks up in the meantime [15:25] it doesnt say ubuntu on ubuntu it says ubuntu for me [15:26] no, you misunderstand [15:26] during oath it says "ubuntu by ubuntu" [15:26] but when you tweet it just says "ubuntu2 [15:26] s/2/" [15:27] Oh ok [15:27] Thats very weird then [15:28] see my latest comment on bug 628866 [15:28] Launchpad bug 628866 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber identifies as 'ubuntu for ubuntu' to twitter (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628866 [15:29] ah popey I think thats intentional [15:29] Because ubuntu is made b ubuntu :) [15:29] *by [15:29] i dont know if you're joking or not [15:29] it should say "gwibber by ubuntu" [15:30] then it would be "via gwibber" on twitter itself [15:30] which it will [15:30] _if_ the oath bit in gwibber is changed to identify as "gwibber by ubuntu" [15:31] Yeah id say most people wouldnt notice that anyway [15:32] they do [15:32] someone asked me just today about it [15:32] IMO it's somewhat deceitful [15:33] well the only thing we could do is change it to "gwibber by ubuntu" but still we could do "ubuntu by Canonical" or "ubuntu by contributors" or something [15:34] if it looks weird [15:34] why does gwibber by ubuntu look weird? [15:35] It doesnt but if it doesnt say "via ubuntu" I wouldnt like it [15:35] on the tweets themselves [15:35] that makes no sense [15:35] look at _every_ other tweet from _every_ other person [15:35] they are _all_ tagged with the client the person used [15:35] tweetdeck, seesmic, twitter for iphone etc [15:36] not the underlying OS [15:36] true but its more about marketing IMO [15:36] no [15:36] I like showing off that im using ubuntu to send the tweets [15:36] and it is in the default [15:36] thats nice for you, but inconsistent with every other tweet [15:36] It was a bug from lucid if I remember correctly to change it to "via ubuntu" [15:36] bug number? [15:37] Ill dig it out [15:37] the chances are it's just that ken registered with twitter for an oath key, and only obtained one for all Ubuntu based twitter clients [15:37] which is why they all say "via ubuntu" [15:37] when what should actually happen is each twitter client should use its own key [15:38] well we had it for via gwibber in lucid [15:38] Hmm [15:38] yes because lucid pre-dated oath [15:38] where are the standard "Report a problem, translate this application" etc menu items located? [15:38] this issue has only arisen because twitter requires oauth now [15:39] I can't find them in the source code of the applications themselves [15:39] popey: we had it earlier in the maverick cycle than that [15:40] its just the oauth is after showing up that ubuntu by ubuntu screen thats created by twitter itself [15:40] yes, and its associated with the key [15:40] yep [15:41] fagan: you're catching up :) [15:41] I know how the system works and I know what you mean [15:41] I just remember that it was a bug to change it to via ubuntu from lucid [15:41] and I like it that way too :) [15:42] damn launchpad is timing me out [15:42] right, so all other tweets should say "from windows" or "from osx"? [15:42] and not identify the client? [15:42] thats not useful at all [15:43] bug 571370 [15:43] Launchpad bug 571370 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "tweets from me menu reported as "via Gwibber" instead of Ubuntu (dup-of: 524358)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571370 [15:43] Launchpad bug 524358 in indicator-me (and 1 other project) "Broadcast messages are sent "from Gwibber" (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524358 [15:43] but thats only talking about the me menu [15:43] Well we are a bit different because we are the only one that have a twitter client included [15:43] nope [15:43] iphones, htc phones all have one included [15:43] i just didnt list them [15:43] Oh yeah [15:44] But they say twitter for the iphone [15:44] yes [15:44] can we do gwibber for ubuntu [15:44] which is the name of the _app_ [15:44] ? [15:44] welcome to 10 minutes ago :) [15:44] Oh so we could change it to gwibber for ubuntu made by ubuntu [15:44] and it would be fine [15:44] eww [15:44] thats longer than most tweets :) [15:45] it wouldnt have the made by ubuntu bit [15:45] that would be just via gwibber for ubuntu [15:47] but would it link to gwibber's page or ubuntu's homepage if it was gwibber for ubuntu [15:47] do you have a tweet option in your me menu on 10.10 ? [15:47] YEp [15:48] where? [15:48] click on your name? [15:48] its the same box as the last one [15:48] gwibber needs to be started [15:48] for you to see it [15:48] i have gwibber running, but dont see it [15:48] hmmmm thats a bug from before [15:48] so for me there is no way to tweet from the me menu [15:49] you just need to restart [15:49] restart what? [15:49] log out and log back in [15:49] and it should work fine [15:49] that was an old bug [15:49] i am running latest maverick and have had gwibber running for days on here [15:50] yeah it was only fixed in the update over the week [15:50] I had a bug with it too that it would only allow me to tweet 1 char in the box :) [15:50] :) [15:51] but yeah I have the box up and it says "post to multiple networks" and if you click on it you can type your messages [15:51] man alive maverick takes soooo long to login [15:52] need to figure out whats eating all that cpu/disk [15:52] It doesnt take that long for me [15:52] and this computer is 8 years old [15:52] * fagan got a crappy computer for a while until a new one appears [15:52] right, logged out/in, still no tweet option [15:53] is gwibber up? [15:53] yes [15:53] hmmmmm [15:53] thats really weird [15:53] does the messaging menu have an arrow on gwibber? [15:53] where is it for you? [15:53] yes [15:53] ah, now its there! [15:54] oh it must take a sec to detect it [15:54] hah, and gwibber-service cashes [15:54] business as usual [15:54] ouch [15:54] It hasnt been crashing for me [15:55] anyhow I have a little bug I need to report too [15:55] oh now its not doing it [15:55] weird [15:55] just tweeted from the me menu as a test, seems to work [15:55] cant see myself ever using it though [15:56] popey: if you click on the "broadcast from multiple accounts" does it clear it properly everytime? [15:56] i see no such option [15:56] where should I? [15:56] it should be written in the box [15:56] in the me menu [15:56] nope [15:57] thats really weird then [15:58] well its there for me with all updates installed [15:58] fagan: http://twitpic.com/2q0ixi [16:00] popey: http://twitpic.com/2q0jkg [16:00] very strange [16:00] i only have one network enabled in gwibber [16:01] ah then thats it then [16:01] I have twitter and identica [16:01] and google buzz [16:01] yeah, i have two accounts, but if you click one at the bottom of the gwibber window, it disables it for posting [16:01] so i only post to identica, and let identica forward to twitter [16:01] ahh, so _you're_ the only one who uses buzz! :) [16:02] buzz has its good points [16:02] like no char limit [16:02] and embedding pics and videos by linking them in the message [16:07] oh and popey to answer your question on twitter it doesnt allow you to put more chars than the limit in the box it just stops [16:09] popey: could you try to set up your facebook account in gwibber for me and see what happens [16:09] its not working for me [16:09] it auths but its not added [16:10] i dont have facebook [16:11] ah ok [16:14] I got it added but it took 5 tries to get it working [16:14] ill ask kenvandine on monday about it [16:42] Im after having a brain wave but I dont know how much work it would be [16:42] Integrating uploading to youtube and vimeo from pitivi [16:42] I googled it and they have an api for both [18:42] Which folders are deleted if 10.4 is installed in an existing unformatted ubuntu system partition? Whether /home is deleted? [18:43] /home shouldnt [18:43] all the stuff in / other than home and /opt [18:43] but id say /opt gets deleted too [18:44] ksbalaji: you should ask this kind of stuff on #ubuntu [18:44] I undrstand that /home folder is not lost if the partition is not allowed to be formatted. [18:45] fagan, I need more techie answer for this. I cannot take chances. That's why I consult here. [18:46] ksbalaji: this channel is still not a support channel [18:47] I am installing to desktop. Hope developers here can guide installations on unformatted partitions containing /home folder [18:47] ksbalaji: and I answered it and said you should really ask all questions on #ubuntu [18:48] /home will be fine I did it myself [18:56] fagan, thanks. Sorry to disturb. Good help. And bye! [18:56] np [19:52] bratsche & tedg, what's the difference between the NEW_LABEL and X_NEW_LABEL signals in indicator-application? [20:02] directhex: Uhh.. I forgot exactly, but tedg can answer for sure. But I think all the x-fu signals are dbus signal wrapper or something. [20:42] Hey guys, so I've written this cool app in PyGTK and Glade. How can I package this up and distribute it? [20:43] avi__: did you use Quickly? [20:43] nisshh, Not sure what that is. I wrote it with Geany. [20:44] avi__: ah, ok [20:44] Should I have? :P [20:44] it would help avi__ [20:44] avi__: it is easier to package if you do [20:44] avi__: is your code on launchpad? [20:44] Can I still write in pygtk and glade with it? [20:45] No, this isn't something thats worthy of launchpad, really. [20:45] avi__: yes, it just makes it much easier to do so [20:45] I'll look into that then. [20:45] cool [20:49] Oh man that IS easy. [20:49] Good thing this app is hypothetical... sort of :P [20:50] avi__: if you want others to be able to get and reuse the code, or if you want to release it, launchpad is the best place :) [20:51] no doubt. I'm just not a good enough programmer to be on LaunchPad yet ^^ [20:51] avi__: being on launchpad is not about being a good programmer [20:52] avi__: if you put your code on launchpad, your code can be improved by others if they are interestef [20:52] d' [20:53] Yeah. But also, this app is basically specific to my school, at least that's what I'm developing it around, and I highly doubt it would be useful to anyone else :) [20:53] oh this is great, [20:53] quickly is python only? [20:54] avi__: for now, but fagan there is developing a vala template for it [20:54] Yeah I am :) [20:54] avi__: i understand, if it only applies to your school thats fine [20:55] Excellent! I hope to move to vala once I actually can write stuff somewhat well. [20:55] * fagan says patches are very very very very very welcome [20:55] avi__: I wont have the packaging stuff probably this release though [20:55] I just learned python a week ago, with my only real programming exp being a few months of C++ for Windows [20:55] ah yes [20:56] any easy way to change quickly edit to use Geany over Gedit? [20:56] well either is good [20:56] depends on what you like [20:56] avi__: yes, but i cant remember how, one moment [20:56] :) [20:56] geany has a nice auto complete [20:56] and gedit is really nice just if you want something basic [20:56] i use geany for autocomplete and the autointenting and stuff [20:57] yeah thats fine [20:57] not that there's anything wrong with gedit :D [20:57] you can get autocomplete in gedit too [20:57] wow quickly is *extremely* cool. [20:57] yeah we know :) [20:58] avi__: sorry i cant remember how :) [21:00] no worries, i'll probably just get gedit's autocomplete working. not essential. [21:00] sure [21:01] this actually solved a billion problems in terms of where to save files, and what to do with serialized objects and such [21:01] solves* [21:01] Well you can still use geany [21:02] mmhmm, just browse to the folder with the source files and edit from there. [21:02] yep [21:02] avi__: yes you can do that [21:03] stupid question, I know, but what is a .pyc file? [21:04] avi__: .pyc files appear after you execute a .py file usually [21:05] compiled python files..? [21:05] pythons interpreted tho. [21:06] avi__: well, yes it is, but technically its still compiled, i was reading about it the other day [21:06] very interesting [21:06] didn't know that [21:06] heh [21:06] i've never had .pyc files created when i ./ .py files [21:07] avi__: they arent always visible [21:08] sometimes they turn into hidden files or something i dunno [21:10] mhmm [21:11] Is there any reason I can't change the license? [21:12] avi__: you can, what license did you want? [21:12] just curious [21:13] ok [21:13] avi__: instead of asking heaps of questions use this command: quickly getstarted [21:14] bratsche, https://code.launchpad.net/~directhex/indicator-application/gapi_is_a_pile_of_shit/+merge/35963 [21:14] bratsche, see also bug 636132 [21:14] Launchpad bug 636132 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "Tomboy does not start, indicator-application version skew (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636132 [21:14] yeah, I apologize. thanks for the help guys, I've gotta run :) [21:15] avi__: no probs, cya :) [21:15] wtf, I can't resolve any hosts now? [21:15] directhex: hehe, nice branch name :) [21:16] nisshh, it is deserved. I've been working on this for about 12 hours [21:16] i see [21:16] directhex: Speaking of gapi, do you know if there is any effort yet to use GI for Mono bindings? [21:17] aaron is working on a bridge [21:17] but he's been busy moving house and such [21:17] Cool. [21:23] Are there any plans for Ubuntu to have parental controls by default? [21:23] LoverBoyV: the only one that has parental controls by default is edubuntu i think [21:24] so i doubt it [21:24] Ahh, well i just realized that that was missing. [21:25] right [21:25] mhm === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter