[15:19] <popey> kenvandine: bug 628866 - was this an intentional decision? why are we not following the 'standard' for branding twitter clients, but setting it to the host OS name rather than the app.
[15:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628866 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber identifies as 'ubuntu for ubuntu' to twitter (affects: 5) (heat: 333)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628866
[15:21] <fagan> popey: mine is back saying gwibber just gwibber
[15:21] <fagan> no os or anything
[15:22] <popey> fagan: what version of gwibber?
[15:22] <fagan> the latest in maverick
[15:22] <popey> what version?
[15:22] <fagan> ill go check
[15:22] <popey> 2.31.94-0ubuntu1 here
[15:22] <fagan> 2.39.94
[15:22] <fagan> yeah the same
[15:23] <fagan> do a message from the me menu and it says gwibber
[15:23] <fagan> not ubuntu
[15:23] <popey> i am not using the me menu
[15:23] <popey> I am using gwibber, lemme message you
[15:24] <fagan> Oh its identica that says gwibber
[15:24] <fagan> twitter says ubuntu
[15:24] <fagan> I just tested it
[15:24] <popey> yes, because when you authed to twitter the oath bit says "Ubuntu on Ubuntu"
[15:24] <popey> and it keeps that
[15:24] <fagan> ah thats weird
[15:25] <popey> could try deleting twitter account in gwibber and reauthing
[15:25] <popey> see if it still says ubuntu
[15:25] <popey> blimey, takes about 30 seconds to remove your account
[15:25] <popey> gwibber locks up in the meantime
[15:25] <fagan> it doesnt say ubuntu on ubuntu it says ubuntu for me
[15:26] <popey> no, you misunderstand
[15:26] <popey> during oath it says "ubuntu by ubuntu"
[15:26] <popey> but when you tweet it just says "ubuntu2
[15:26] <popey> s/2/"
[15:27] <fagan> Oh ok
[15:27] <fagan> Thats very weird then
[15:28] <popey> see my latest comment on bug 628866
[15:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628866 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber identifies as 'ubuntu for ubuntu' to twitter (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628866
[15:29] <fagan> ah popey I think thats intentional
[15:29] <fagan> Because ubuntu is made b ubuntu :)
[15:29] <fagan> *by
[15:29] <popey> i dont know if you're joking or not
[15:29] <popey> it should say "gwibber by ubuntu"
[15:30] <fagan> then it would be "via gwibber" on twitter itself
[15:30] <popey> which it will
[15:30] <popey> _if_ the oath bit in gwibber is changed to identify as "gwibber by ubuntu"
[15:31] <fagan> Yeah id say most people wouldnt notice that anyway
[15:32] <popey> they do
[15:32] <popey> someone asked me just today about it
[15:32] <popey> IMO it's somewhat deceitful
[15:33] <fagan> well the only thing we could do is change it to "gwibber by ubuntu" but still we could do "ubuntu by Canonical" or "ubuntu by contributors" or something
[15:34] <fagan> if it looks weird
[15:34] <popey> why does gwibber by ubuntu look weird?
[15:35] <fagan> It doesnt but if it doesnt say "via ubuntu" I wouldnt like it
[15:35] <fagan> on the tweets themselves
[15:35] <popey> that makes no sense
[15:35] <popey> look at _every_ other tweet from _every_ other person
[15:35] <popey> they are _all_ tagged with the client the person used
[15:35] <popey> tweetdeck, seesmic, twitter for iphone etc
[15:36] <popey> not the underlying OS
[15:36] <fagan> true but its more about marketing IMO
[15:36] <popey> no
[15:36] <fagan> I like showing off that im using ubuntu to send the tweets
[15:36] <fagan> and it is in the default
[15:36] <popey> thats nice for you, but inconsistent with every other tweet
[15:36] <fagan> It was a bug from lucid if I remember correctly to change it to "via ubuntu"
[15:36] <popey> bug number?
[15:37] <fagan> Ill dig it out
[15:37] <popey> the chances are it's just that ken registered with twitter for an oath key, and only obtained one for all Ubuntu based twitter clients
[15:37] <popey> which is why they all say "via ubuntu"
[15:37] <popey> when what should actually happen is each twitter client should  use its own key
[15:38] <fagan> well we had it for via gwibber in lucid
[15:38] <lucidfox> Hmm
[15:38] <popey> yes because lucid pre-dated oath
[15:38] <lucidfox> where are the standard "Report a problem, translate this application" etc menu items located?
[15:38] <popey> this issue has only arisen because twitter requires oauth now
[15:39] <lucidfox> I can't find them in the source code of the applications themselves
[15:39] <fagan> popey: we had it earlier in the maverick cycle than that
[15:40] <fagan> its just the oauth is after showing up that ubuntu by ubuntu screen thats created by twitter itself
[15:40] <popey> yes, and its associated with the key
[15:40] <fagan> yep
[15:41] <popey> fagan: you're catching up :)
[15:41] <fagan> I know how the system works and I know what you mean
[15:41] <fagan> I just remember that it was a bug to change it to via ubuntu from lucid
[15:41] <fagan> and I like it that way too :)
[15:42] <fagan> damn launchpad is timing me out
[15:42] <popey> right, so all other tweets should say "from windows" or "from osx"?
[15:42] <popey> and not identify the client?
[15:42] <popey> thats not useful at all
[15:43] <popey> bug 571370
[15:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 571370 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "tweets from me menu reported as "via Gwibber" instead of Ubuntu (dup-of: 524358)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571370
[15:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 524358 in indicator-me (and 1 other project) "Broadcast messages are sent "from Gwibber" (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524358
[15:43] <popey> but thats only talking about the me menu
[15:43] <fagan> Well we are a bit different because we are the only one that have a twitter client included
[15:43] <popey> nope
[15:43] <popey> iphones, htc phones all have one included
[15:43] <popey> i just didnt list them
[15:43] <fagan> Oh yeah
[15:44] <fagan> But they say twitter for the iphone
[15:44] <popey> yes
[15:44] <fagan> can we do gwibber for ubuntu
[15:44] <popey> which is the name of the _app_
[15:44] <fagan> ?
[15:44] <popey> welcome to 10 minutes ago :)
[15:44] <fagan> Oh so we could change it to gwibber for ubuntu made by ubuntu
[15:44] <fagan> and it would be fine
[15:44] <popey> eww
[15:44] <popey> thats longer than most tweets :)
[15:45] <fagan> it wouldnt have the made by ubuntu bit
[15:45] <fagan> that would be just via gwibber for ubuntu
[15:47] <fagan> but would it link to gwibber's page or ubuntu's homepage if it was gwibber for ubuntu
[15:47] <popey> do you have a tweet option in your me menu on 10.10 ?
[15:47] <fagan> YEp
[15:48] <popey> where?
[15:48] <popey> click on your name?
[15:48] <fagan> its the same box as the last one
[15:48] <fagan> gwibber needs to be started
[15:48] <fagan> for you to see it
[15:48] <popey> i have gwibber running, but dont see it
[15:48] <fagan> hmmmm thats a bug from before
[15:48] <popey> so for me there is no way to tweet from the me menu
[15:49] <fagan> you just need to restart
[15:49] <popey> restart what?
[15:49] <fagan> log out and log back in
[15:49] <fagan> and it should work fine
[15:49] <fagan> that was an old bug
[15:49] <popey> i am running latest maverick and have had gwibber running for days on here
[15:50] <fagan> yeah it was only fixed in the update over the week
[15:50] <fagan> I had a bug with it too that it would only allow me to tweet 1 char in the box :)
[15:50] <popey> :)
[15:51] <fagan> but yeah I have the box up and it says "post to multiple networks" and if you click on it you can type your messages
[15:51] <popey> man alive maverick takes soooo long to login
[15:52] <popey> need to figure out whats eating all that cpu/disk
[15:52] <fagan> It doesnt take that long for me
[15:52] <fagan> and this computer is 8 years old
[15:52]  * fagan got a crappy computer for a while until a new one appears
[15:52] <popey> right, logged out/in, still no tweet option
[15:53] <fagan> is gwibber up?
[15:53] <popey> yes
[15:53] <fagan> hmmmmm
[15:53] <fagan> thats really weird
[15:53] <fagan> does the messaging menu have an arrow on gwibber?
[15:53] <popey> where is it for you?
[15:53] <popey> yes
[15:53] <popey> ah, now its there!
[15:54] <fagan> oh it must take a sec to detect it
[15:54] <popey> hah, and gwibber-service cashes
[15:54] <popey> business as usual
[15:54] <fagan> ouch
[15:54] <fagan> It hasnt been crashing for me
[15:55] <fagan> anyhow I have a little bug I need to report too
[15:55] <fagan> oh now its not doing it
[15:55] <fagan> weird
[15:55] <popey> just tweeted from the me menu as a test, seems to work
[15:55] <popey> cant see myself ever using it though
[15:56] <fagan> popey: if you click on the "broadcast from multiple accounts" does it clear it properly everytime?
[15:56] <popey> i see no such option
[15:56] <popey> where should I?
[15:56] <fagan> it should be written in the box
[15:56] <fagan> in the me menu
[15:56] <popey> nope
[15:57] <fagan> thats really weird then
[15:58] <fagan> well its there for me with all updates installed
[15:58] <popey> fagan: http://twitpic.com/2q0ixi
[16:00] <fagan> popey: http://twitpic.com/2q0jkg
[16:00] <fagan> very strange
[16:00] <popey> i only have one network enabled in gwibber
[16:01] <fagan> ah then thats it then
[16:01] <fagan> I have twitter and identica
[16:01] <fagan> and google buzz
[16:01] <popey> yeah, i have two accounts, but if you click one at the bottom of the gwibber window, it disables it for posting
[16:01] <popey> so i only post to identica, and let identica forward to twitter
[16:01] <popey> ahh, so _you're_ the only one who uses buzz! :)
[16:02] <fagan> buzz has its good points
[16:02] <fagan> like no char limit
[16:02] <fagan> and embedding pics and videos by linking them in the message
[16:07] <fagan> oh and popey to answer your question on twitter it doesnt allow you to put more chars than the limit in the box it just stops
[16:09] <fagan> popey: could you try to set up your facebook account in gwibber for me and see what happens
[16:09] <fagan> its not working for me
[16:09] <fagan> it auths but its not added
[16:10] <popey> i dont have facebook
[16:11] <fagan> ah ok
[16:14] <fagan> I got it added but it took 5 tries to get it working
[16:14] <fagan> ill ask kenvandine on monday about it
[16:42] <fagan> Im after having a brain wave but I dont know how much work it would be
[16:42] <fagan> Integrating uploading to youtube and vimeo from pitivi
[16:42] <fagan> I googled it and they have an api for both
[18:42] <ksbalaji> Which folders are deleted if 10.4 is installed in an existing unformatted ubuntu system partition? Whether /home is deleted?
[18:43] <fagan>  /home shouldnt
[18:43] <fagan> all the stuff in / other than home and /opt
[18:43] <fagan> but id say /opt gets deleted too
[18:44] <fagan> ksbalaji: you should ask this kind of stuff on #ubuntu
[18:44] <ksbalaji>  I undrstand that /home folder is not lost if the partition is not allowed to be formatted.
[18:45] <ksbalaji> fagan, I need more techie answer for this. I cannot take chances. That's why I consult here.
[18:46] <fagan> ksbalaji: this channel is still not a support channel
[18:47] <ksbalaji> I am installing to desktop. Hope developers here can guide installations on unformatted partitions containing /home folder
[18:47] <fagan> ksbalaji: and I answered it and said you should really ask all questions on #ubuntu
[18:48] <fagan>  /home will be fine I did it myself
[18:56] <ksbalaji> fagan, thanks. Sorry to disturb. Good help. And bye!
[18:56] <fagan> np
[19:52] <directhex> bratsche & tedg, what's the difference between the NEW_LABEL and X_NEW_LABEL signals in indicator-application?
[20:02] <bratsche> directhex: Uhh.. I forgot exactly, but tedg can answer for sure.  But I think all the x-fu signals are dbus signal wrapper or something.
[20:42] <avi__> Hey guys, so I've written this cool app in PyGTK and Glade. How can I package this up and distribute it?
[20:43] <nisshh> avi__: did you use Quickly?
[20:43] <avi__> nisshh, Not sure what that is. I wrote it with Geany.
[20:44] <nisshh> avi__: ah, ok
[20:44] <avi__> Should I have? :P
[20:44] <fagan> it would help avi__
[20:44] <nisshh> avi__: it is easier to package if you do
[20:44] <nisshh> avi__: is your code on launchpad?
[20:44] <avi__> Can I still write in pygtk and glade with it?
[20:45] <avi__> No, this isn't something thats worthy of launchpad, really.
[20:45] <nisshh> avi__: yes, it just makes it much easier to do so
[20:45] <avi__> I'll look into that then.
[20:45] <nisshh> cool
[20:49] <avi__> Oh man that IS easy.
[20:49] <avi__> Good thing this app is hypothetical... sort of :P
[20:50] <nisshh> avi__: if you want others to be able to get and reuse the code, or if you want to release it, launchpad is the best place :)
[20:51] <avi__> no doubt. I'm just not a good enough programmer to be on LaunchPad yet ^^
[20:51] <nisshh> avi__: being on launchpad is not about being a good programmer
[20:52] <nisshh> avi__: if you put your code on launchpad, your code can be improved by others if they are interestef
[20:52] <nisshh> d'
[20:53] <avi__> Yeah. But also, this app is basically specific to my school, at least that's what I'm developing it around, and I highly doubt it would be useful to anyone else :)
[20:53] <avi__> oh this is great,
[20:53] <avi__> quickly is python only?
[20:54] <nisshh> avi__: for now, but fagan there is developing a vala template for it
[20:54] <fagan> Yeah I am :)
[20:54] <nisshh> avi__: i understand, if it only applies to your school thats fine
[20:55] <avi__> Excellent! I hope to move to vala once I actually can write stuff somewhat well.
[20:55]  * fagan says patches are very very very very very welcome
[20:55] <fagan> avi__: I wont have the packaging stuff probably this release though
[20:55] <avi__> I just learned python a week ago, with my only real programming exp being a few months of C++ for Windows
[20:55] <nisshh> ah yes
[20:56] <avi__> any easy way to change quickly edit to use Geany over Gedit?
[20:56] <fagan> well either is good
[20:56] <fagan> depends on what you like
[20:56] <nisshh> avi__: yes, but i cant remember how, one moment
[20:56] <nisshh> :)
[20:56] <fagan> geany has a nice auto complete
[20:56] <fagan> and gedit is really nice just if you want something basic
[20:56] <avi__> i use geany for autocomplete and the autointenting and stuff
[20:57] <fagan> yeah thats fine
[20:57] <avi__> not that there's anything wrong with gedit :D
[20:57] <fagan> you can get autocomplete in gedit too
[20:57] <avi__> wow quickly is *extremely* cool.
[20:57] <fagan> yeah we know :)
[20:58] <nisshh> avi__: sorry i cant remember how :)
[21:00] <avi__> no worries, i'll probably just get gedit's autocomplete working. not essential.
[21:00] <nisshh> sure
[21:01] <avi__> this actually solved a billion problems in terms of where to save files, and what to do with serialized objects and such
[21:01] <avi__> solves*
[21:01] <fagan> Well you can still use geany
[21:02] <avi__> mmhmm, just browse to the folder with the source files and edit from there.
[21:02] <fagan> yep
[21:02] <nisshh> avi__: yes you can do that
[21:03] <avi__> stupid question, I know, but what is a .pyc file?
[21:04] <nisshh> avi__: .pyc files appear after you execute a .py file usually
[21:05] <avi__> compiled python files..?
[21:05] <avi__> pythons interpreted tho.
[21:06] <nisshh> avi__: well, yes it is, but technically its still compiled, i was reading about it the other day
[21:06] <avi__> very interesting
[21:06] <avi__> didn't know that
[21:06] <nisshh> heh
[21:06] <avi__> i've never had .pyc files created when i ./ .py files
[21:07] <nisshh> avi__: they arent always visible
[21:08] <nisshh> sometimes they turn into hidden files or something i dunno
[21:10] <avi__> mhmm
[21:11] <avi__> Is there any reason I can't change the license?
[21:12] <nisshh> avi__: you can, what license did you want?
[21:12] <avi__> just curious
[21:13] <nisshh> ok
[21:13] <nisshh> avi__: instead of asking heaps of questions use this command: quickly getstarted
[21:14] <directhex> bratsche, https://code.launchpad.net/~directhex/indicator-application/gapi_is_a_pile_of_shit/+merge/35963
[21:14] <directhex> bratsche, see also bug 636132
[21:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636132 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "Tomboy does not start, indicator-application version skew (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636132
[21:14] <avi__> yeah, I apologize. thanks for the help guys, I've gotta run :)
[21:15] <nisshh> avi__: no probs, cya :)
[21:15] <bratsche> wtf, I can't resolve any hosts now?
[21:15] <nisshh> directhex: hehe, nice branch name :)
[21:16] <directhex> nisshh, it is deserved. I've been working on this for about 12 hours
[21:16] <nisshh> i see
[21:16] <bratsche> directhex: Speaking of gapi, do you know if there is any effort yet to use GI for Mono bindings?
[21:17] <Laney> aaron is working on a bridge
[21:17] <Laney> but he's been busy moving house and such
[21:17] <bratsche> Cool.
[21:23] <LoverBoyV> Are there any plans for Ubuntu to have parental controls by default?
[21:23] <nisshh> LoverBoyV: the only one that has parental controls by default is edubuntu i think
[21:24] <nisshh> so i doubt it
[21:24] <LoverBoyV> Ahh, well i just realized that that was missing.
[21:25] <nisshh> right
[21:25] <LoverBoyV> mhm