[00:14] <OwaisL> hey guys
[00:14] <OwaisL> i would like to chip in
[00:29] <UndiFineD> hello OwaisL
[00:29] <OwaisL> UndiFineD: Hi
[00:31] <UndiFineD> http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/ if you want to help
[00:31] <OwaisL> yes i did see that
[00:31] <OwaisL> i branched the code
[00:31] <OwaisL> but didn't look at it yet
[00:32] <OwaisL> so what will this project be exactly using
[00:32] <UndiFineD> atm python
[00:32] <OwaisL> okay...
[00:32] <OwaisL> i'm quite familiar with python and gtk
[00:32] <UndiFineD> :D
[00:33] <UndiFineD> then you can teach me
[00:33] <UndiFineD> heheh
[00:33] <OwaisL> haha
[00:33] <OwaisL> i'm still learning though
[00:33] <OwaisL> :)
[00:33] <UndiFineD> me too, but I am making good progress on translations tonight
[00:34] <OwaisL> when do we expect to ship?
[00:34] <UndiFineD> today we had our first meeting, but we have made progress already
[00:35] <UndiFineD> so no shipping date is known at this point
[00:35] <UndiFineD> we use 10.10 as a base
[00:37] <OwaisL> ok...
[00:37] <OwaisL> hey i got to go now..
[00:37] <OwaisL> i'll check the code later
[00:38] <OwaisL> and come back so we'll talk about how i can help
[00:38] <OwaisL> take care
[00:38] <UndiFineD> :)
[07:49] <Billynkid> Sorry missed the meeting
[10:32] <UndiFineD> good morning
[14:46] <UndiFineD> good email aprilg
[15:22] <kvarley> I can help with packaging the application into a debian package & with rolling that out onto the ppa if you need help. I have already contributed some writing
[15:23] <Omega> Cool
[15:25] <kvarley> I presume it's mainly .py files & data?
[15:26] <UndiFineD> that would be helpful kvarley
[15:26] <UndiFineD> it is
[15:26] <kvarley> :)
[15:26] <kvarley> I made my first deb yesterday for a little app I made & that was with py files and data. I'm glad I learnt how to do it :)
[15:53] <UndiFineD> so kvarley what does that little app do
[15:59] <kvarley> moves files off sd card to a date generated folder (using it for pictures
[16:16] <laurent_> there is no setup.py or anything yet
[16:16] <kvarley> Ok, when there is I will make a deb
[16:16] <laurent_> I attempted to package it, but without using distutils which I haven't worked out yet, it results in an empty package
[16:22] <kvarley> laurent_ Maybe your paths in your rules are wrong?
[16:22] <laurent_> no idea
[16:25] <laurent_> if you manage to create a .deb, you should upload the rules /control files etc. for amending in future debs, not sure what the opinion would be on version numbers yet
[16:26] <laurent_> I don't see this project really being 100% for maverick anyway and the focus for a top notch package for be for natty
[16:29] <laurent_> looking at some pages I think the issue may have been the permissions of the directories I made possibly
[16:29] <laurent_> I dunno
[16:29] <laurent_> it's 3.29am here
[16:29] <laurent_> I'm going to sleep in a mo
[16:31] <UndiFineD> :)
[16:31] <Muscovy> I could make a .deb is anyone wishes, I know how.
[16:40] <laurent_> night
[17:00] <aprilg> UndiFineD hey :) thanks. sorry for the really late reply. just got back home :)
[17:01] <UndiFineD> heh
[17:01] <UndiFineD> making lots of progress here on translations
[17:02] <UndiFineD> some should pull more often
[17:57] <aprilg> can anyone tell me which page to link to specifically for LoCo support? :) I'll add that to the getting help section of the tour :D thanks!!
[17:58] <aprilg> is the website acceptable? http://loco.ubuntu.com/      or irc? http://loco.ubuntu.com/irc/
[18:00] <Muscovy> What do you mean, aprilg?
[18:01] <aprilg> which link should I add to the getting help page?
[18:01] <aprilg> it was mentioned during the meeting that we should add Loco Support to the 'getting help' section of the tour
[18:01] <aprilg> also, a totally different thing :)
[18:01] <aprilg> Muscovy can we update the list of members shown on the website? or maybe link to the volunteers list for a complete list of members or something? :) right now, there's only four of us listed on http://ubuntutour.org/members/ :)
[18:02] <Muscovy> Right, I'll do that.
[18:02] <Muscovy> I'd probably link to the main loco page.
[18:02] <aprilg> ok. thanks!
[18:02] <aprilg> for both :) hehe
[18:46] <UndiFineD> I had already added the link to general loco in the english version and native language loco in duth version
[18:46] <UndiFineD> dutch
[18:49] <UndiFineD> aprilg, you might want to pull
[18:51] <aprilg> UndiFineD you mean this page? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick/annotate/head%3A/getting-help/en/0_getting-help
[18:51] <aprilg> That's the one I updated
[18:52] <aprilg> I only added the LoCo Team Directory link
[18:52] <UndiFineD> as did I yesterday :p
[18:53] <aprilg> oh. there were only 4 links when I pulled earlier today
[18:53] <aprilg> beginner questions, irc, ubuntu users mailing list, and the ubuntu switching guide
[18:53] <aprilg> the loco team directory wasn't there :) so I just added it
[18:53] <UndiFineD> this my first time I use bazaar, how come I am at revision 121 while you are at 102.1.11
[18:54] <aprilg> I'm at revision 113 actually
[18:54] <aprilg> from lp:ubuntu-tour
[18:55] <aprilg> from what I can see, there's only 113 revisions
[18:55] <aprilg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour
[18:55] <aprilg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick
[18:56] <Muscovy> Is http://ubuntutour.org/members/ alright?
[18:56] <UndiFineD> nice Muscovy
[18:57] <aprilg> looks ok :)
[18:57] <Muscovy> Ok, I wasn't sure if the screenshot worked or not.
[18:57] <aprilg> by the way Muscovy, at what revision are we at for lp:ubuntu-tour?
[18:58] <aprilg> UndiFineD is at revision 121, and I only see up to 113 on launchpad
[18:58] <Muscovy> Uh.
[18:58] <Muscovy> I'm now on 113.
[18:58] <UndiFineD> odd
[18:59] <UndiFineD> I use bazaar explorer, any strange settings i need to do ?
[18:59] <aprilg> I haven't used bazaar explorer ...
[19:00] <aprilg> UndiFineD have you pushed your revisions to lp:ubuntu tour?
[19:00] <UndiFineD> i did, but I might have to redo manually
[19:01] <aprilg> ok.. what name are you using on launchpad?
[19:01] <aprilg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick/changes this page lists all the revisions to the branch
[19:02] <UndiFineD> k.dejong / undifined
[19:02] <aprilg> I don't see any revisions from you on that page :(
[19:06] <aprilg> I'm off for the day guys :)
[19:06] <aprilg> hafta get some sleep! bye all!
[19:07] <Muscovy> Gnight. :D
[19:09] <UndiFineD> now i have these silly conflicts
[19:12] <Muscovy> Did bzr merge go OK?
[19:13] <UndiFineD> nope
[19:13] <UndiFineD> because I did so many
[19:14] <MadnessRed> Hi all
[19:14] <MadnessRed> reading the irc logs atm
[19:14] <UndiFineD> he MadnessRed
[19:14] <Omega> Hey MadnessRed
[19:15] <MadnessRed> How was the meeting, I am at 5:25 atm
[19:15] <Omega> MadnessRed: I nominated you for proggramming lead, how do you feel about it?
[19:15] <Omega> It was okay
[19:15] <Omega> We didn't discuss everything because we felt more programmers would need to be here
[19:16] <MadnessRed> ok, I don't mind being programming lead, as long as i get to be on the team page :)
[19:17] <Omega> :>
[19:17] <MadnessRed> also, about he sidebar, gtk has a widget which allows for a split pane which you can adjust
[19:17] <Muscovy> Hi MadnessRed. :D
[19:18] <MadnessRed> hi,
[19:19] <MadnessRed> im at 5:40 now
[19:19] <UndiFineD> bzr conflicts
[19:19] <UndiFineD> Conflict: can't delete evolution because it is not empty.  Not deleting.
[19:19] <UndiFineD> Conflict because evolution is not versioned, but has versioned children.  Versioned directory.
[19:19] <UndiFineD> Text conflict in getting-help/en/0_getting-help
[19:20] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[19:20] <Muscovy> I don't know what the evolution error is, but the last one is because you and April both edited the same file.
[19:22] <UndiFineD> I have the feeling I need to copy out my changes and redo them
[19:22] <UndiFineD> as in remove my local branch and recreate it
[19:24] <MadnessRed> do we have a new branch btw?
[19:24] <MadnessRed> you were going to change to having only 1
[19:24] <Muscovy> What I do when I get an issue like that is branch a fresh copy, then manually compare them.
[19:24] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: Nope. We just moved code-development into the main one.
[19:24] <MadnessRed> so I can still pull and push to code-devel'
[19:25] <Muscovy> You can, but we figured it wasn't needed any more since the code is stable.
[19:26] <Muscovy> We only didn't remove it so we could keep the revision history.
[19:26] <MadnessRed> ok, so where should I pull the latest code from?
[19:26] <Muscovy> lp:ubuntu-tour.
[19:26] <MadnessRed> thanks
[19:26] <Muscovy> No problem.
[19:33] <UndiFineD> Muscovy, is it ok now ?
[19:34] <Muscovy> I'll check.
[19:36] <Muscovy> That push was fine, UndiFineD.
[19:36] <UndiFineD> great, that was 12 hours of work
[19:36] <UndiFineD> now i only need to find my english adjustments too
[19:41] <MadnessRed> whats with tour.py line 145?
[19:41] <MadnessRed> 				
[19:41] <MadnessRed> 		#Return the list
[19:41] <MadnessRed> <<<<<<< TREE
[19:41] <MadnessRed> 		return tours
[19:41] <Muscovy> I'm not sure.
[19:42] <UndiFineD> return self.tours
[19:42] <MadnessRed> I'll delete the file from my computer and try just download again
[19:43] <UndiFineD> a shame, my english updates seem to be lost in the fixing
[19:44] <Muscovy> :|
[19:47] <UndiFineD> well, I remember they where mostly comments about referal to self
[19:47] <UndiFineD> which seems a bit silly
[19:48] <UndiFineD> like a piece of software is refering to itself as we or I
[19:49] <UndiFineD> and when you translate such it becomes even more redicule
[20:46] <UndiFineD> ok all has been redone, I am at revision 123 now
[21:10] <UndiFineD> $ LANG=nl_NL && python ubuntu-tour.py
[21:10] <UndiFineD> (process:10112): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[21:10] <UndiFineD> 	Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[21:11] <Muscovy> Does $LANG=nk_NL error on its own?
[21:12] <UndiFineD> no
[21:12] <Muscovy> Maybe file a bug on that
[21:12] <Muscovy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+filebug
[21:13] <UndiFineD> LANG=nl_NL.UTF8 && python ubuntu-tour.py  <-- is ok
[21:13] <UndiFineD> however does not run the tour
[21:13] <Muscovy> Does the tour give any sort of error?
[21:14] <UndiFineD> in english, a few warnings
[21:14] <UndiFineD> LANG=en_GB.UTF8 && python ubuntu-tour.py <-- does run the tour
[21:15] <UndiFineD> Warning: Could not change directory to file, unexpected errors may occur
[21:15] <UndiFineD> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme'
[21:15] <UndiFineD> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk-color-scheme'
[21:15] <Muscovy> DOes it still run?
[21:15] <UndiFineD> yes
[21:15] <Muscovy> Just debug then.
[21:16] <UndiFineD> mmm how ?
[21:16] <UndiFineD> :)
[21:16] <Muscovy> Maverick/Lucid do some things differently with theme detection.
[21:16] <UndiFineD> Im using maverick
[21:17] <Muscovy> I get the same warning in maverick.
[21:17] <Muscovy> It's just a debug thing.
[21:37] <UndiFineD> I deserve a cookie :p
[21:38] <Muscovy> You do. :D
[21:39] <UndiFineD> and I'll add a mug of dark roast with it as well
[21:39] <UndiFineD> then I'm off to my testing account to make a few dutch screen shots
[21:40] <Muscovy> Use the default theme, panel, and aurora-y wallpaper. :D
[21:41] <UndiFineD> yeah it is all set for that, not sure on the wall paper
[21:41] <UndiFineD> is that the one with the odd orange blobs
[21:48] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: nope.
[21:49] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: http://blag.alexandos.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/maverick.jpg
[21:50] <UndiFineD> yeah that is the default, called ubuntu now
[21:51] <UndiFineD> my system is quite recently installed again
[22:02] <UndiFineD> does it need to have some file in ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme
[22:03] <Muscovy> Nope.
[22:05] <UndiFineD> well, the tour does not run on my testing user
[22:06] <UndiFineD> loks like another similar bug
[22:13] <Muscovy> Using language nl_NL?
[22:15] <UndiFineD> yes
[22:15] <UndiFineD> as it is set when you login a user to their language
[22:17] <UndiFineD> which is according to env: nl_NL.utf8
[22:17] <UndiFineD> exact case
[23:23] <Muscovy> Hi MadnessRed.
[23:23] <MadnessRed> hi
[23:24] <Muscovy> UndiFineD and I were getting this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/643044
[23:24] <MadnessRed> I'll take a look, 1 sefc
[23:24] <MadnessRed> sec#
[23:25] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[23:26] <Muscovy> I just tried es, that one's fine.
[23:26] <MadnessRed> odd
[23:26] <Muscovy> Ok, it seems to only fail on the non-English _ ones.
[23:27] <MadnessRed> I'll do some playing, see what i can find out
[23:29] <Muscovy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/643044/comments/3
[23:30] <UndiFineD> still awake, but it's getting late
[23:30] <UndiFineD> watching some tv
[23:30] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: I took a closer look at the issue.
[23:31] <Muscovy> It seems the _ languages, exclusing en ones, are failing.
[23:31] <Muscovy> Picking one like es works fine.
[23:31] <MadnessRed> its tour_nl that is causing the problem
[23:31] <MadnessRed> it should be tour.info
[23:32] <MadnessRed> the only files allowed to contain underscores are the page files
[23:32] <UndiFineD> ah yes, I created those files
[23:32] <UndiFineD> in case dutch translations are needed in there
[23:32] <MadnessRed> tour_nl.info is page number tour
[23:32] <MadnessRed> and tour isn't a number
[23:33] <Muscovy> Now I feel silly I missed that.
[23:33] <UndiFineD> isn't it great, I created my own bug
[23:33] <MadnessRed> I could put it in a try if you want
[23:34] <UndiFineD> you can remove the translated tour_nl.info files if they aren't needed
[23:34] <UndiFineD> or rename them tour.info if they are correct
[23:36] <MadnessRed> I just put the _ thingy in a try statement
[23:36] <MadnessRed> not try
[23:37] <MadnessRed> 1 thing, don't translate the catagories in tour.ingo
[23:37] <MadnessRed> info#
[23:38] <UndiFineD> ok
[23:38] <UndiFineD> then I'll copy them out of their original ones
[23:39] <Muscovy> Thanks for that fix. :D
[23:40] <MadnessRed> np
[23:46] <UndiFineD> yes, it is fixed now and I have the tour running
[23:47] <UndiFineD> fixes committed
[23:47] <Muscovy> I'd call that fix released.
[23:47] <UndiFineD> hmm, but the menu is in english, so, where does that need editting
[23:48] <Muscovy> For Ubuntu "fix committed" means it's in beta or pending approval.
[23:48] <UndiFineD> details ;)
[23:48] <UndiFineD> hehehe
[23:48] <UndiFineD> thank you MadnessRed
[23:50] <MadnessRed> np, I thought that fix commited meant it was available in the most recent commit, and that fix released meant it was available in the last release, eg, fixed for version 1.1 onwards
[23:50] <Muscovy> BusSquad says fix committed means it's on Revu or in -proposed.
[23:51] <UndiFineD> well I committed my fixes to bazaar, so that does not mean everyone has them yet
[23:53] <UndiFineD> hmmm, some texts are long, too long to fit an image, definitly needs some splitting here and there
[23:56] <Muscovy> I think for the time being we're not splicing pages, UndiFineD.
[23:56] <Muscovy> I'm not entirely sure though.
[23:56] <UndiFineD> no I was go to do so now
[23:56] <UndiFineD> I was not going to do so now
[23:56] <UndiFineD> I am tired
[23:57] <UndiFineD> pff
[23:57] <UndiFineD> 1 am
[23:57] <Muscovy> Oh dear.
[23:58] <Muscovy> I was up until about 2:00 the night we first got started on the tour.