[06:40] <stupendousman> Hi everyone !
[06:43] <stupendousman> I would like to know if my idea on halfbakery http://bit.ly/d5GIVI was found usefull by the team for the new "getting physical" idea
[06:46] <stupendousman> I am excited as when posting the idea, I had thought it will take a really long time to get implemented.. and I will be seeing such ideas about 5 years in the future
[06:47] <stupendousman> well, implementing itself might not be that difficult, I hadnt expected major OS vendors implementing such ideas as core
[06:47] <stupendousman> so integrated into the OS
[06:49] <stupendousman> sorry, wrong link http://bit.ly/d5GlVI
[06:50] <stupendousman> ayatana seems to be a quiet place
[09:38] <stupendo1sman> anybody home?
[09:43] <stupendo1sman> when is #ayatana most exciting and active?
[09:45] <klattimer> stupendousman: when stuff is happening
[09:45] <klattimer> :)
[10:01] <stupendousman> klattimer: and when is that?? Any place I can get notified?
[10:02] <klattimer> stupendousman: what are you after?
[10:03] <klattimer> a bunch of people are in the us so it gets a little louder after 2/3pm
[10:03] <stupendousman> 2/3pm what time?
[10:04] <stupendousman> GMT?
[10:04] <stupendousman> klattimer: http://bit.ly/d5GlVI is what I am excited about
[10:05] <stupendousman> I posted the idea last year and the response made me think that OS guys wills tart thinking about it and we will have it in the next 5 years
[10:05] <klattimer> stupendousman: well, is there any code?
[10:05] <stupendousman> but looks like its gonna be possible much sooner
[10:05] <klattimer> gmt yes
[10:05] <stupendousman> nope. no code
[10:05] <stupendousman> halfbakery is a brainstorming site
[10:05] <klattimer> well, someone's gonna have to write it
[10:06] <stupendousman> not a good coder in those matters
[10:07] <stupendousman> Well, as you guys have been thinking in similar lines, I thought I pour in mine as well
[10:11] <stupendousman> to be honest, I have been feeling like a kid when I saw Ubuntu guys thinking in similar lines
[10:49] <Cimi> njpatel: did you test my branch of cairo mislignments?
[10:51] <njpatel> Cimi, not yet
[10:52] <njpatel> Cimi, did you fix the font colour of the panel text?
[10:52] <Cimi> njpatel: already in the menuitem branch
[10:52] <njpatel> okay, so it's fixed then, thanks
[10:54] <Cimi> I have only few regrets on the window decoration buttons njpatel
[10:54] <njpatel> Cimi, will take a look at the fixes branch as soon as i can
[10:54] <njpatel> Cimi, what regrets?
[10:54] <Cimi> njpatel: they don't look nice without the trough below
[10:55] <Cimi> so we can: 1) ship custom window buttons without the dark line around each button
[10:55] <njpatel> yeah, but the trough looks weird on the panel :/
[10:55] <Cimi> or add the trough
[10:55] <Cimi> chaotic: good morning dude :)
[10:55] <njpatel> Cimi, I don't mind custom buttons without such a dark line, but honestly I'm not finding it horrible right now, so it's a nice-to-have
[10:56] <chaotic> Cimi: hiya, good morning and how are you?
[10:56] <Cimi> chaotic: better :)
[10:57] <chaotic> Cimi: that's good
[10:57] <Cimi> njpatel: we want the best, we are not satisfied of something in between :)
[10:57] <Cimi> chaotic: on friday I have patched unity to refine the style
[10:58] <chaotic> Cimi: great
[10:58] <Cimi> and now my only doubts are for the window decoration buttons
[10:58] <Cimi> chaotic: could you please speak with njpatel 2 mins in order to give him your precious opinion?
[10:58] <chaotic> Cimi: sure
[10:58] <chaotic> njpatel: hi Neil :)
[10:59] <njpatel> About the win decs?
[10:59] <njpatel> chaotic, hey dude
[10:59] <Cimi> njpatel: sorry, window decoration buttons
[10:59] <chaotic> njpatel: hi
[10:59] <njpatel> chaotic, also, ChanServ is killing my auto-complete :)
[11:00] <Cimi> yeah, otto you should rename yourself in kaotic :D
[11:00] <chaotic> njpatel: ha
[11:02] <Cimi> njpatel: could you sshot the panel with a maximized window
[11:02] <Cimi> ?
[11:02] <chaotic> njpatel: are we referring to the window buttons in maxed windows - they look scaled at the moment
[11:03] <Cimi> chaotic: I have fixed it on friday
[11:03] <njpatel> chaotic, I think cimi fixed that
[11:03] <chaotic> Cimi: oh cool
[11:03] <chaotic> yeah - best if I can see a sshot I guess
[11:05] <njpatel> Cimi, not right now, I'm debugging a crash, sorry
[11:31] <stupendousman> what happens to all Ayatana stuff when gnome-shell becomes default in gnome-3.0?
[11:35] <Cimi> stupendousman: I'm not the right people to answer, but I don't think it will be so difficult to integrate all the indicator stuff into the panel (or whatever)
[11:36] <Cimi> the indicator stuff is quite flexible, if you can see it's easier to integrate an indicator than a statusicon
[11:38] <Cimi> at the same time all the windicator stuff will be independent
[11:39] <Cimi> and unity is a separate shell, a different solution to gnome 3.0
[11:40] <stupendousman> that does it .. now I am all confused
[11:40] <Cimi> confused? :)
[11:40]  * stupendousman settles down for some googling session
[11:40] <Cimi> gnome-shell is a "software like the gnome shell"
[11:41] <stupendousman> I just heard that gnome-3.0 is gonna have gnome-shell as default, and replaces window manager and panel..
[11:41] <Cimi> indicators are a new solution to gtkstatusicon
[11:41] <stupendousman> I come here and find there is somehting called unity
[11:41] <Cimi> yeah
[11:41] <hyperair> Cimi: i'm actually kinda interested to know what will happen to indicators really.
[11:41] <Cimi> but the window manager of gnome-shell is mutter
[11:41] <Cimi> hyperair: I bet they will be integrated
[11:42] <stupendousman> Cimi: sorry for wasitng time, I am a noob.. will do more homework before I come here
[11:42] <stupendousman> I think there should be a write up for people like me who think gnome=gnome-desktop+metactiy/compiz+gnome-panel
[11:43] <stupendousman> a dictionary perhaps
[11:43] <Cimi> gnome-shell is gnome-shell+mutter
[11:43] <Cimi> the shell manages the desktop and it is integrated with the window manager, mutter
[11:43] <Cimi> and integrates a panel too
[11:47] <Cimi> njpatel: is it easy to reduce the gap between buttons in the panel?
[11:47] <Cimi> (win dec)
[11:48] <Cimi> I didn't have a look yet
[11:48] <njpatel> Cimi, erm, probably, it's either done via padding or set-sizes
[11:48] <Cimi> ok because we need to make them closer
[11:49] <Cimi> njpatel: do you mind if we include the buttons in unity instead grabbing them from the metacity theme? In that way we could reduce the black frame around each button (chaotic too)
[12:45] <stupendo1sman> so what is the point of having two shells 1) unity 2) gnome-shell .. isnt gnome-shell almost doing the same as unity?
[13:02] <stupendo1sman> or the other way round, I dont mind
[13:05] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: gnome-shell is a gnome project, unity is an ubuntu project.
[13:05] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: but, they dea with different porpouses
[13:05] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you see to it that the two branches merged in this bug are released; https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/569273
[13:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 569273 in Application Indicators "memory leak in gnome-power-manager (affected: 59, heat: 329)" [Medium,In progress]
[13:06] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: unity is a shell that works good with small and widescreen devices
[13:06] <klattimer> I think the bug can be closed for now too, and a new bug for gtk menu should be opened
[13:06] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: gnome-shell doesn't
[13:11] <stupendo1sman> Cimi: okie. Finally I get it. though work will be duplicated, they solve  different meta problems
[13:12] <Cimi> kind of, yeah stupendo1sman
[15:27] <Cimi> didrocks: do you have a roomie for the sprint in orlando? :)
[15:35] <klattimer> tedg: is there a way of "hiding" an indicator applet
[16:03] <sense> good afternoon
[16:03] <didrocks> hey Cimi :)
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> hi klattimer
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> would you mind having a look at my comment here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/+bug/630239/comments/16 when you get some spare minutes?
[16:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 630239 in libgnomekbd (Ubuntu Maverick) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gkbd_keyboard_drawing_new_dialog() (affected: 50, heat: 242)" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:03] <didrocks> Cimi: I'll be with seb128 as I arrive the week before UDS, I think
[16:05] <sense> tedg or someone else: Can you build 'indicator-application'? If so, could you give me the build commands, because I cannot get anything to build on my system except for the unmodified results of 'apt-get source indicator-application'. Everytime I run ./autogen.sh or automake and autoreconf the building fails at the generation of the Mono bindings due to a regex not matching the new_label signal place holder.
[16:05] <Cimi> didrocks: ok because I need to find one, and I thought you were free (reading the wiki seb is with martin pitt iirc)
[16:06] <didrocks> Cimi: really? let me have a look
[16:06] <didrocks> it's always something I look at the last minute :)
[16:07] <Cimi> yeah but I was planning it right now :)
[16:10] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: yeah sure
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, thanks
[16:11] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: ah, sorry it's an invalid free by the looks of things
[16:11] <klattimer> I can take a pop at it now if you like
[16:18] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: do you have a bug report and I'll attach an updated patch
[16:18] <klattimer> I think this fixes it
[16:18] <klattimer> oh sorry, it was just on one comment
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, i've not created a bug report for it yet
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> the bug report i commented on is unrelated :)
[16:21] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: ok I have a new patch
[16:21] <klattimer> can I send you it somehow for testing?
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, yeah, sure
[16:21] <klattimer> I'm stuck on gnome-bluetooth atm
[16:21] <klattimer> whereto?
[16:22] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: ?
[16:22] <klattimer> email or what?
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, yeah, e-mail is fine. chris.coulson@canonical.com
[16:24] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: sent
[16:24] <klattimer> can you email me back with any issues
[16:47] <tedg> sense, I think that you need directhex's branch to get things aligned right.
[16:48] <sense> tedg: OK, I'll look into that. Thanks.
[17:27] <oskude> yay! unity is pretty awesome, thanks!
[17:31] <oskude> is there a way to set the clock to 24h mode ?
[17:31] <jcastro> I believe there's a bug report about that somewhere
[17:32] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/579134
[17:32] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 579134 in Ubuntu Translations "The date and time indicator should respect the locale setting for time format (affected: 23, heat: 132)" [High,Triaged]
[17:34] <oskude> jcastro: thanks!
[17:37] <Cimi> jcastro: I need to be added to the canonical wiki, but I don't have access because I'm not an employee yet
[17:37] <Cimi> I will be there from the 19th till the 30th
[17:38] <Cimi> my roomie should be DidierRoche
[17:38] <Cimi> and the size for my tshirt is M :)
[17:38] <jcastro> Cimi: send all that to marianna please
[17:38] <jcastro> (just reply all to your mail)
[17:39] <Cimi> I was already in contact with marianna, I was talking about the wiki
[18:00] <vish> hmm , someone get mpt online!
[18:00]  * vish looks around..  who could physically poke mpt!
[18:04] <Cimi> vish: maybe no one
[18:04] <vish> yea.. right now , no one seems around from Milbank! ;)
[19:32] <sense> Merge request to add the new AppInd API additions to indicator-application has finally been filed: <https://code.launchpad.net/~sense/indicator-application/fix-608219/+merge/36048>.