[06:40] Hi everyone ! [06:43] I would like to know if my idea on halfbakery http://bit.ly/d5GIVI was found usefull by the team for the new "getting physical" idea [06:46] I am excited as when posting the idea, I had thought it will take a really long time to get implemented.. and I will be seeing such ideas about 5 years in the future [06:47] well, implementing itself might not be that difficult, I hadnt expected major OS vendors implementing such ideas as core [06:47] so integrated into the OS [06:49] sorry, wrong link http://bit.ly/d5GlVI [06:50] ayatana seems to be a quiet place [09:38] anybody home? [09:43] when is #ayatana most exciting and active? === stupendo1sman is now known as stupendousman [09:45] stupendousman: when stuff is happening [09:45] :) [10:01] klattimer: and when is that?? Any place I can get notified? [10:02] stupendousman: what are you after? [10:03] a bunch of people are in the us so it gets a little louder after 2/3pm [10:03] 2/3pm what time? [10:04] GMT? [10:04] klattimer: http://bit.ly/d5GlVI is what I am excited about [10:05] I posted the idea last year and the response made me think that OS guys wills tart thinking about it and we will have it in the next 5 years [10:05] stupendousman: well, is there any code? [10:05] but looks like its gonna be possible much sooner [10:05] gmt yes [10:05] nope. no code [10:05] halfbakery is a brainstorming site [10:05] well, someone's gonna have to write it [10:06] not a good coder in those matters [10:07] Well, as you guys have been thinking in similar lines, I thought I pour in mine as well [10:11] to be honest, I have been feeling like a kid when I saw Ubuntu guys thinking in similar lines [10:49] njpatel: did you test my branch of cairo mislignments? [10:51] Cimi, not yet [10:52] Cimi, did you fix the font colour of the panel text? [10:52] njpatel: already in the menuitem branch [10:52] okay, so it's fixed then, thanks [10:54] I have only few regrets on the window decoration buttons njpatel [10:54] Cimi, will take a look at the fixes branch as soon as i can [10:54] Cimi, what regrets? [10:54] njpatel: they don't look nice without the trough below [10:55] so we can: 1) ship custom window buttons without the dark line around each button [10:55] yeah, but the trough looks weird on the panel :/ [10:55] or add the trough [10:55] chaotic: good morning dude :) [10:55] Cimi, I don't mind custom buttons without such a dark line, but honestly I'm not finding it horrible right now, so it's a nice-to-have [10:56] Cimi: hiya, good morning and how are you? [10:56] chaotic: better :) [10:57] Cimi: that's good [10:57] njpatel: we want the best, we are not satisfied of something in between :) [10:57] chaotic: on friday I have patched unity to refine the style [10:58] Cimi: great [10:58] and now my only doubts are for the window decoration buttons [10:58] chaotic: could you please speak with njpatel 2 mins in order to give him your precious opinion? [10:58] Cimi: sure [10:58] njpatel: hi Neil :) [10:59] About the win decs? [10:59] chaotic, hey dude [10:59] njpatel: sorry, window decoration buttons [10:59] njpatel: hi [10:59] chaotic, also, ChanServ is killing my auto-complete :) [11:00] yeah, otto you should rename yourself in kaotic :D [11:00] njpatel: ha [11:02] njpatel: could you sshot the panel with a maximized window [11:02] ? [11:02] njpatel: are we referring to the window buttons in maxed windows - they look scaled at the moment [11:03] chaotic: I have fixed it on friday [11:03] chaotic, I think cimi fixed that [11:03] Cimi: oh cool [11:03] yeah - best if I can see a sshot I guess [11:05] Cimi, not right now, I'm debugging a crash, sorry [11:31] what happens to all Ayatana stuff when gnome-shell becomes default in gnome-3.0? [11:35] stupendousman: I'm not the right people to answer, but I don't think it will be so difficult to integrate all the indicator stuff into the panel (or whatever) [11:36] the indicator stuff is quite flexible, if you can see it's easier to integrate an indicator than a statusicon [11:38] at the same time all the windicator stuff will be independent [11:39] and unity is a separate shell, a different solution to gnome 3.0 [11:40] that does it .. now I am all confused [11:40] confused? :) [11:40] * stupendousman settles down for some googling session [11:40] gnome-shell is a "software like the gnome shell" [11:41] I just heard that gnome-3.0 is gonna have gnome-shell as default, and replaces window manager and panel.. [11:41] indicators are a new solution to gtkstatusicon [11:41] I come here and find there is somehting called unity [11:41] yeah [11:41] Cimi: i'm actually kinda interested to know what will happen to indicators really. [11:41] but the window manager of gnome-shell is mutter [11:41] hyperair: I bet they will be integrated [11:42] Cimi: sorry for wasitng time, I am a noob.. will do more homework before I come here [11:42] I think there should be a write up for people like me who think gnome=gnome-desktop+metactiy/compiz+gnome-panel [11:43] a dictionary perhaps [11:43] gnome-shell is gnome-shell+mutter [11:43] the shell manages the desktop and it is integrated with the window manager, mutter [11:43] and integrates a panel too [11:47] njpatel: is it easy to reduce the gap between buttons in the panel? [11:47] (win dec) [11:48] I didn't have a look yet [11:48] Cimi, erm, probably, it's either done via padding or set-sizes [11:48] ok because we need to make them closer [11:49] njpatel: do you mind if we include the buttons in unity instead grabbing them from the metacity theme? In that way we could reduce the black frame around each button (chaotic too) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:45] so what is the point of having two shells 1) unity 2) gnome-shell .. isnt gnome-shell almost doing the same as unity? === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [13:02] or the other way round, I dont mind [13:05] stupendo1sman: gnome-shell is a gnome project, unity is an ubuntu project. [13:05] stupendo1sman: but, they dea with different porpouses [13:05] kenvandine: can you see to it that the two branches merged in this bug are released; https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/569273 [13:05] Launchpad bug 569273 in Application Indicators "memory leak in gnome-power-manager (affected: 59, heat: 329)" [Medium,In progress] [13:06] stupendo1sman: unity is a shell that works good with small and widescreen devices [13:06] I think the bug can be closed for now too, and a new bug for gtk menu should be opened [13:06] stupendo1sman: gnome-shell doesn't [13:11] Cimi: okie. Finally I get it. though work will be duplicated, they solve different meta problems [13:12] kind of, yeah stupendo1sman === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [15:27] didrocks: do you have a roomie for the sprint in orlando? :) [15:35] tedg: is there a way of "hiding" an indicator applet [16:03] good afternoon [16:03] hey Cimi :) [16:03] hi klattimer [16:03] would you mind having a look at my comment here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/+bug/630239/comments/16 when you get some spare minutes? [16:03] Launchpad bug 630239 in libgnomekbd (Ubuntu Maverick) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gkbd_keyboard_drawing_new_dialog() (affected: 50, heat: 242)" [Medium,Fix released] [16:03] Cimi: I'll be with seb128 as I arrive the week before UDS, I think [16:05] tedg or someone else: Can you build 'indicator-application'? If so, could you give me the build commands, because I cannot get anything to build on my system except for the unmodified results of 'apt-get source indicator-application'. Everytime I run ./autogen.sh or automake and autoreconf the building fails at the generation of the Mono bindings due to a regex not matching the new_label signal place holder. [16:05] didrocks: ok because I need to find one, and I thought you were free (reading the wiki seb is with martin pitt iirc) [16:06] Cimi: really? let me have a look [16:06] it's always something I look at the last minute :) [16:07] yeah but I was planning it right now :) [16:10] chrisccoulson: yeah sure [16:10] klattimer, thanks [16:11] chrisccoulson: ah, sorry it's an invalid free by the looks of things [16:11] I can take a pop at it now if you like === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [16:18] chrisccoulson: do you have a bug report and I'll attach an updated patch [16:18] I think this fixes it [16:18] oh sorry, it was just on one comment [16:18] klattimer, i've not created a bug report for it yet [16:18] the bug report i commented on is unrelated :) [16:21] chrisccoulson: ok I have a new patch [16:21] can I send you it somehow for testing? [16:21] klattimer, yeah, sure [16:21] I'm stuck on gnome-bluetooth atm [16:21] whereto? [16:22] chrisccoulson: ? [16:22] email or what? [16:23] klattimer, yeah, e-mail is fine. chris.coulson@canonical.com [16:24] chrisccoulson: sent [16:24] can you email me back with any issues [16:47] sense, I think that you need directhex's branch to get things aligned right. [16:48] tedg: OK, I'll look into that. Thanks. [17:27] yay! unity is pretty awesome, thanks! [17:31] is there a way to set the clock to 24h mode ? [17:31] I believe there's a bug report about that somewhere [17:32] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/579134 [17:32] Launchpad bug 579134 in Ubuntu Translations "The date and time indicator should respect the locale setting for time format (affected: 23, heat: 132)" [High,Triaged] [17:34] jcastro: thanks! [17:37] jcastro: I need to be added to the canonical wiki, but I don't have access because I'm not an employee yet [17:37] I will be there from the 19th till the 30th [17:38] my roomie should be DidierRoche [17:38] and the size for my tshirt is M :) [17:38] Cimi: send all that to marianna please [17:38] (just reply all to your mail) [17:39] I was already in contact with marianna, I was talking about the wiki [18:00] hmm , someone get mpt online! [18:00] * vish looks around.. who could physically poke mpt! [18:04] vish: maybe no one [18:04] yea.. right now , no one seems around from Milbank! ;) [19:32] Merge request to add the new AppInd API additions to indicator-application has finally been filed: .