[10:17] <vish> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/folder_challenge_01.png !!!!!!!!
[10:17] <vish> considerably better than what breathe has right now ;p
[10:18] <thorwil> vish: you think so? both are terrible in my eyes now
[10:18] <vish> thorwil: well , i said better.. dint say it was good ;p
[10:19] <thorwil> folder icons are dumb anyway, would much prefer to have something along the lines of http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/infolders_01.png
[10:20] <vish> thorwil: hmm , not /like/ those , but i get the point..   make *folders* an abstract concept
[10:21] <vish> holy! there are 1050+ members subscribed to the mailing list!
[10:22] <darkmatter> just remove folders entirely instead of trying to abstract broken junk
[10:22] <vish> thorwil: looks like the list is quite rotten ;p
[10:23] <vish> we have a lot of flies \o/
[10:23] <thorwil> darkmatter: doesn't matter much for that concept if it represents folders are any kind of grouping
[10:24] <vish> hehe! what is lapo doing there !
[15:36] <thorwil> vish: what did you say how many subscribers the list has?
[15:43] <vish> thorwil: 1050+
[16:07] <thorwil> vish: i think we will reach the point where we must avoid running around in circles, soon now
[16:08] <thorwil> vish: so i just send a "what would you like to work on" mail. trying saleel's idea is better than wondering if it would work ... :)
[16:10] <vish> thorwil: well.. lets see.. how it goes..
[17:19] <vish> hmm , are we thrusting too much at the same time!
[17:21] <vish> doctormo: why are you reluctant to make the dA group part of the artwork team?
[17:21] <vish> doctormo: you did push for having free culture showcase being merged into the dA group right?
[17:22] <doctormo> Of course
[17:22] <doctormo> But we haven't talked much about the dA group and how its run. Only about using deviantArt as a technical base.
[17:22] <vish> doctormo: ah the technicalities k..
[17:23] <doctormo> I have no problem with the dA group being linked in as part of the greater art team, but dA is a poor collaboration platform IMO.
[17:23] <vish> doctormo: yeah , but how do we get the cchost site to be more permanant?
[17:24] <vish> i can get coders to work on setting up a site though.. we need the server :)
[17:32] <doctormo> vish: It has a server, unless pleia2 objects but I don't think she will.
[17:32] <doctormo> vish: I'm actually sorting out the codebase now so people can work on fixes for the cchost site.
[17:41] <thorwil> if i only knew how to discourage those useless single sentence messages (without that tuning into a meta-discussion, again)
[17:41] <thorwil> well, at least there's enthusiasm :)
[17:41] <vish> hehe!
[17:42] <vish> one thing I'm not very crazy about it the art-*owl* name..
[17:42] <vish> it doesnt sound very official ;)
[17:42] <thorwil> currently it isn't
[17:43] <thorwil> but something non-obvious can add some charm, in any case
[17:45] <doctormo> vish: The owl site is the place for learning materials, the dns can be changed.
[17:45] <doctormo> vish:  for the art site
[17:46] <doctormo> vish: I'd like to see more activity and maybe some fixes though, much more important than dns name.
[17:46] <vish> yep, very true.
[17:46] <vish> but i'm just concerned a bit now , since we are just jumping with _no_ organization in place :s
[17:48] <vish> but lets see at the end of the week how things are.. we are only at day 2 ;)
[17:48] <thorwil> vish: sure, but you can't have it all at once. i mean, both activity and organization? outrageous!
[17:49] <thorwil> i guess a hold-your-horses message might do more harm than good
[17:49] <vish> yea.. i dint mean hold your horses..
[17:49] <vish> but if there is no organization , we might just fizz out..
[17:50] <vish> so, i think someone needs to keep that in mind as well
[17:52] <thorwil> vish: i'm not at all willing to play a team leader solo ...
[17:53] <vish> thorwil: well , who crowned you king of the jungle ?   ;p
[17:53] <vish> thorwil: its nice to see that people are trying to be pro-active atleast :)
[17:54] <thorwil> vish: nobody did. but who keeps referencing me and who used to ask me for feedback many times? ;)
[17:54] <thorwil> vish: and "someone" is a warning sign, if it appears in talk regarding leadership and responsibility ;)
[17:54] <vish> thorwil: must be an idiot! why would someone ask *you* for feedback! ;)
[17:54] <thorwil> lol, yeah
[17:57]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:22] <doctormo> vish: It's not no organisation, it's emergent and it's simple, but it's not missing.
[18:22] <vish> yea.. i think I'm going to go ahead and add Xubuntu and Edubuntu to the main wiki
[18:23] <doctormo> thorwil: heh, we could have an art-council quango
[18:23] <vish> spoke to highvoltage too , he wants help with edubuntu as well
[18:38] <thorwil> back
[18:53] <vish> thorwil: lol! a few members unsubscribed since yesterday ;p
[18:54] <thorwil> *shrug*
[18:56] <vish> when i saw it first it was 1058 , now its 1054
[19:07] <thorwil> 3 down from what i saw
[19:19] <vish> thorwil: maybe setting up a short wiki of why using wiki is bad? :p
[19:20] <thorwil> heh
[19:20] <vish> rather than having to explain to everyone every time.. would be much easier?
[19:22] <thorwil> vish: we have to forgive j_baer, for he must have edited the wiki so much, he doesn't realize how hard it is, anymore ;)
[19:22] <vish> thorwil: lol! i must have mentioned that too! "a huge problem is trivial edits" ;p
[19:22] <thorwil> vish: i just send a mail also linking to that design-hub post, before i got yours ...
[19:23] <vish> haha! thorwil must be silly minds think alike too! ;p
[19:23] <thorwil> heh
[19:24] <thorwil> vish: now how to best answer Kofi?
[19:24] <vish> thorwil: i suggest we wait a bit and see all the fishes that bite :)
[19:25] <vish> its not that if we have to answer within a couple of days and everything gets done..
[19:26] <vish> right now , i'm mainly counting how many people even raise their hands :)
[19:30] <thorwil> hmm, right
[19:33] <thorwil> maybe i should check that out, sometime: http://github.com/rclements/Fedora-Design-Collab
[19:34] <vish> Kofi done has quite some interesting work
[19:45] <thorwil> mailed highvoltage, encouraging him to advertise for edubuntu a bit, maybe come up with a briefing for a wallpaper
[19:47] <rrrmanion> hello
[19:50] <vish> rrrmanion: hi
[19:51] <rrrmanion> i want to know how i can apply to contribute towards ubuntu? i want to be involved in the reation of some wallpapers.
[19:52] <vish> rrrmanion: sure, any particular derivate in mind? xubuntu or edubuntu?
[19:53] <rrrmanion> no, i am just happy to help
[19:54] <vish> rrrmanion: awesome! hang tight , we are just beginning to see some voices
[19:55] <vish> rrrmanion: in a few days lets get the main teams involved too , and have a theme/direction to work on for the wallppaer
[19:57] <vish> rrrmanion: did you see the meerkat request on the mailing list?
[19:58] <rrrmanion> no, only just subscribed,
[19:59] <vish> rrrmanion: ah , no probs. this is the mail I was referring to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2010-September/012294.html
[20:01] <rrrmanion> i mainly wish to base my contributions on photos if that's ok?
[20:02] <vish> rrrmanion: well , are the photos from your collection?
[20:02] <thorwil> rrrmanion: sure (as long as it are your photos, or ones with permissive licenses)
[20:03] <thorwil> rrrmanion: do you know about http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ ?
[20:05] <thorwil> rrrmanion: for each release cycle, a few images from that pool are selected, like it happened here: http://design.canonical.com/2010/08/this-week-in-design-27-august-2010/
[20:05] <rrrmanion> no, not aware of that, will take a look in a moment, will take a look in a moment, all the photos i'd like to use are my own
[20:06] <thorwil> though this flickr thing is pretty much independent of what we are trying to organize on the list, currently
[20:10] <rrrmanion> ok, that sounds good though, i thought i might do a series of photos from the UK, for uk users, obviously all landscapes, what do you think
[20:12] <vish> rrrmanion: of specific famous buildings? or something more abstract?
[20:12] <vish> or places
[20:13] <rrrmanion> places, for example i already have some of the famous white cliffs of dover, but buidings could be done too
[20:14] <thorwil> rrrmanion: do/try whatever seems fun and worthwhile. though if you specifically have users from the uk in mind, you should perhaps contact LoCos ...  i mean, don't rely on people finding your work in that huge pool ... unless it will be outstanding ;)
[20:16] <rrrmanion> "LoCos"?
[20:16] <vish> rrrmanion: the issue with choosing a popular place would mean very specific to that locale.. so something like that would/might be more appropriate for the local UK team posters
[20:16] <thorwil> rrrmanion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[20:20] <rrrmanion> thanks
[20:21] <thorwil> np
[20:25] <rrrmanion> just waiting for a reply now, seems a bit slower for responses than this channel.
[20:27] <thorwil> rrrmanion: response time can easily vary between seconds and hours in one and the same channel
[21:09] <thorwil> good night!
[23:00] <rrrmanion> night people