[02:50] <harrisonk> stlsaint are you there?
[03:00] <stlsaint> harrisonk: sup
[03:30] <wastoid> hello, i installed ubuntu netbook edition today, it is my first attempt at linux. i cannot get the wireless to work. the system claims it is disabled and i can't seem to enable it
[03:35] <stlsaint> harrisonk: sure
[03:35] <stlsaint> wastoid: what type of card do you have?
[03:36] <harrisonk> stlsaint I think I am going to reinstall
[03:36] <stlsaint> harrisonk: alright
[03:37] <wastoid> ar 5001 wireless adapter
[03:37] <stlsaint> wastoid: to see card use command: lscpi | grep Wireless
[03:37] <stlsaint> opps
[03:37] <stlsaint> wastoid: sorry use: lspci | grep Wireless
[03:40] <wastoid> that command didn't show me the card
[03:40] <seidos> wastoid, you can try lscpi | grep Ethernet
[03:41] <stlsaint> wastoid: well what did the command give you?
[03:41] <stlsaint> wastoid: i know that command works
[03:41] <wastoid> a list of display options
[03:42] <stlsaint> wastoid: you ran it wrong mate
[03:42] <stlsaint> wastoid: please verify correct usage: lspci | grep Wireless
[03:43] <stlsaint> seidos: wireless is the issue here
[03:43] <wastoid> ah, thank you. atheros ar 5001 wireless adapter..
[03:43] <stlsaint> seidos: try running both commands to better understand ;)
[03:43] <stlsaint> wastoid: please paste the entire output of card
[03:43] <seidos> stlsaint, i use Ethernet.  works for me.  didn't know Wireless worked.  i think he put the | in the wrong place (i did the same thing when i ran it with Wireless for some reason too)
[03:44] <wastoid> ethernet controller: atheros communication inc. ar5001 wireless network adapter (rev 01)
[03:45] <stlsaint> wastoid: is that the output of the ethernet commadn or the wireless one?
[03:46] <wastoid> the wireless one, shall i run the ethernet?
[03:47] <stlsaint> wastoid: no need, one sec
[03:47] <seidos> wastoid, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[03:48] <bdogg> does anyone know what sound engine or render (i dont know the term) that xmms uses?
[03:48] <wastoid> 10.04 i think, netbook edition
[03:48] <stlsaint> wastoid: please run command: dmesg | grep Wireless
[03:49] <wastoid> command produces nothing..
[03:50] <bdogg> xmms...sound engine? gstreamer xine?
[03:50] <seidos> wastoid, how about ifconfig?
[03:50] <stlsaint> wastoid: please run command: dmesg | grep wlan0
[03:50] <seidos> bdogg, i saw you, but i have no idea.  not even sure what a sound engine is.
[03:50] <stlsaint> bdogg: sorry mate, not sure about that
[03:50] <seidos> bdogg, especially if it has nothing to do with pulse audio or alsa
[03:51] <bdogg> umm i dont really know what the correct term is
[03:51] <bdogg> do you guys atleast know
[03:51] <bdogg> why it is that xmms has great sound quality
[03:51] <wastoid> {   12.633893] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[03:51] <seidos> i don't even use xmms
[03:51] <bdogg> compared to other players (rhythmbox, banshee)
[03:52] <bdogg> im a hude audiophile and i can hear the difference
[03:52] <seidos> bdogg, google is your friend.  all i can say, unfortunately.
[03:52] <bdogg> lol
[03:52] <seidos> bdogg, or wait around, paultag might have some words for you.
[03:52] <seidos> he's in a meeting right now though
[03:52] <bdogg> i tried no one has ever mentioned it before
[03:52] <bdogg> will do seidos
[03:53] <paultag> seidos, sec, I'm folding laundry, I'll pop back in a sec
[03:53] <bdogg> laundry ftw
[03:53]  * seidos hides his metaphorical dirty laundry
[03:54] <stlsaint> wastoid: im sorry but i must go: this should get the ball rolling for ya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6089169
[03:54] <paultag> Back
[03:54] <paultag> seidos, :P
[03:54] <paultag> bdogg, so, what's up, my friend?
[03:55] <bdogg> just wanna know some background info on xmms
[03:55] <paultag> Sure, what about
[03:55] <bdogg> because in my opinion it has superior sound quality
[03:55] <bdogg> to other players i have used
[03:55] <bdogg> i just want to know why
[03:55] <paultag> Hummm, my base reaction is to call bullshit on that
[03:55] <bdogg> lol
[03:55] <bdogg> well i dunno
[03:55] <paultag> bdogg, the reason being is that they all use the same transport
[03:56] <paultag> bdogg, so when they "load" and "play" a file, it's the same code, unless it's using a different transport with low latency, such as JACK
[03:56] <bdogg> to my music sounds clearer on xmms then on rhythmbox
[03:56] <paultag> bdogg, Unless it's an EQ setting, it's all in your head
[03:56] <paultag> bdogg, they should be using the same backend, and there is nothing that an app can do from it's place above the audio transport layer
[03:57] <bdogg> hmmm
[03:57] <bdogg> makes alot of sense
[03:57] <paultag> bdogg, unless it's giving up some of it's time slice to another internal thread
[03:57] <paultag> bdogg, then perhaps it's playing with more of the process quantum
[03:57] <paultag> bdogg, but that should not really make a big deal, I'm not sure. How big is the gap that you hear?
[03:57] <bdogg> lol you've pretty much lost me
[03:57] <paultag> bdogg, is it an offensive crackle?
[03:57] <bdogg> nopw
[03:58] <paultag> bdogg, ( I'm an audiophile as well )
[03:58] <bdogg> *nope
[03:58] <paultag> bdogg, what's it doing?
[03:58] <bdogg> great
[03:58] <bdogg> im an audiophile, but i dont know nearly us much about sound as you do
[03:58] <paultag> I'm just coming from a programming backend
[03:58] <paultag> bdogg, what kind of audio artifacts are you getting?
[03:59] <bdogg> none from rhythmbox or xmms
[04:00] <bdogg> just that in xmms, bass and treble sound...i dunno... fuller?
[04:00] <bdogg> my equalizer is off on xmms
[04:00] <bdogg> *sound fuller
[04:00] <paultag> I don't recall a default eq on rb
[04:01] <paultag> bdogg, could you do me a favor and test using `mplayer' on the command line?
[04:01] <paultag> bdogg, that is bare-bones, almost direct interface to the audio subsystem, it should be close to as perfect as the system can do
[04:01] <bdogg> and how would i do that if you dont mind
[04:01] <paultag> bdogg, sudo apt-get install mplayer-nogui
[04:02] <paultag> bdogg, then take an audio file ( use an ogg or something non-mp* )
[04:02] <paultag> bdogg, and give that a listen, compare to xmms / rb
[04:02] <bdogg> okay
[04:03] <paultag> bdogg, if you are super concerned about audio, you might want to look at a new audio subsystem, just FYI
[04:03] <bdogg> for instance?
[04:03] <paultag> bdogg, JACK is really nice, and it runs with a higher priority, so it gives more time ( and less latency ) to the audio being played
[04:04] <paultag> bdogg, it's hard to setup, but it's a lot better at handling audio output, and you will loose a bit of the "crap"
[04:04] <bdogg> any tutorials i can take a crack at?
[04:04] <paultag> bdogg, but remember, the weakest point of your setup will be the headphone jack -- I use a firewire quarter inch interface
[04:04] <paultag> bdogg, that is a bit better because there is more material keeping it isolated
[04:05] <bdogg> btw how do i use mplayer on terminal
[04:05] <paultag> whereas the headphone jack can be really weak when it comes to power interference
[04:05] <paultag> bdogg, mplayer /home/bdogg/Music/file.ogg
[04:05] <paultag> bdogg, http://jackaudio.org/
[04:05] <paultag> bdogg, you can apt-get most of that
[04:09] <bdogg> using the mplayer-no gui
[04:10] <bdogg> sound similar to what i hear in xmms
[04:10] <bdogg> symbol crashes and drums sound clearer and deeper bass
[04:12] <paultag> bdogg, Well, I'm not sure what to say. I don't see anything that looks like RB Is changing the audio -- my mids sound strong and I'm using RB. I'm also using a firewire hardware interface
[04:12] <paultag> bdogg, I'm not sure. Try poking about rb, but I don't see much reason for it to do that
[04:12] <bdogg> well under the sound menu, i have something installed called JACK control
[04:12] <bdogg> that i have no idea where it came from
[04:18] <bdogg> ummm another way to explain it to you....: xmms makes my mp3 files almost sound FLAC quality while rythmbox just sound normal
[04:21] <paultag> bdogg, sorry, that's not possible
[04:21] <paultag> bdogg, mp3 compression removes data, and it's not able to be restored
[04:21] <paultag> bdogg, the mp3 audio "cap" in quality is hard
[04:21] <paultag> bdogg, I'm thinking it might be in your head :)
[04:21] <bdogg> yeah.... i dunno, i just did a sound comparison
[04:21] <paultag> bdogg, it happens a lot
[04:22] <bdogg> and to me it just sounds better in rythmbox
[04:22] <bdogg> i mean xmms
[04:22] <bdogg> how do i intall the JACK thing
[04:22] <paultag> bdogg, so use xmms, all I'm saying is that there is no technological reason for it
[04:23] <paultag> bdogg, take a look at the guides on the jack website
[04:23] <paultag> bdogg, there's a lot you can do
[04:23] <paultag> bdogg, so there are a lot of choices to make
[04:31] <paultag> Oh shoot
[04:31] <paultag> was I too mean?
[04:31] <paultag> I did not mean to be :(
[05:32] <dengaku_sco> hello
[05:35] <Mohan_chml> heya dengaku_sco
[05:35] <dengaku_sco> i got a bit of a start up prob
[05:37] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco, shot
[05:37] <Mohan_chml> shoot*
[05:39] <dengaku_sco> when i start up ubuntu, it comes up ..(how to put this) not as fancy. think safe mode. at the login screen, a message pops up in the top corner saying, and i quote ..
[05:39] <Mohan_chml> Low resolution?
[05:40] <dengaku_sco> "Configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager have not been installed correctly."
[05:40] <seidos> dengaku_sco, did you do anything that might have caused it?
[05:41] <seidos> never seen that problem before
[05:41] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-980711.html looked at that before?
[05:41] <dengaku_sco> where once it came up with the soft greys tones and round-edged windows, it now comes up with the cold greys and sharp edges of Win 95
[05:42] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco, ^
[05:43] <dengaku_sco> not that thread
[05:43] <Mohan_chml> After doing, executing sudo dpkg --configure -a solved the problem
[05:44] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco, lucid : https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+question/38900
[05:44] <Mohan_chml> It is cleared
[05:46] <dengaku_sco> oh, and i installed Wine and Iced Tea the session before this happened, oh and FireFox Sync
[05:46] <dengaku_sco> (still reading that stuff)
[05:52] <dengaku_sco> same basic prob, but i do have my cursor and login prompt
[05:53] <dengaku_sco> tho, when i login with my right password, the screen blanks for a bit. and then the login prompt reappears
[05:54] <dengaku_sco> well, i guess ill try that out. so when i get to my problem screen, i press Alt+Cnrl+1 right
[05:58] <dengaku_sco> wwwell i guess ill try that out. bbl
[06:00] <Guest16255> hii
[06:00] <Guest16255> any1 thr??
[06:00] <Guest16255> ppl
[06:04] <seidos> \o.
[06:04] <Guest16255> need help
[06:04] <Guest16255> how to restore grub
[06:04] <Guest16255> wiped out due to windows reinstall
[06:05] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, hello and no PM  when you are a guest :P
[06:05] <Guest16255> kk
[06:05] <seidos> oh goodness.
[06:05] <Guest16255> kool
[06:05] <seidos> never done it, but there's a how to somewhere
[06:05] <Mohan_chml> !grub
[06:05] <ubot2> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[06:05] <seidos> hey, cool!  smart bot.
[06:05] <Guest16255> lost grub2
[06:05] <Guest16255> not grub
[06:05] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, get the grub restore link at top^
[06:06] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, using 9.04?
[06:06] <Guest16255> nope
[06:06] <Guest16255> 10.10
[06:07] <Mohan_chml> then it is GRUB2
[06:07] <Guest16255> yes
[06:07] <Mohan_chml> then look at the link from ubot2
[06:08] <Mohan_chml> it is for GRUB2
[06:10] <Guest16255> thts whn u are able to boot into ubuntu
[06:10] <kaushal> hi
[06:10] <Guest16255> i am unable to boot into
[06:10] <kaushal> Are there freelance assignements available ?
[06:11] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, you have to use a Live CD
[06:11] <Mohan_chml> then you have to proceed
[06:12] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub
[06:12] <Mohan_chml> seidos, I got a PM all of a sudden and Idk who is that :/
[06:13] <Guest16255> may be its me
[06:13] <Mohan_chml> yep :P but still idk who you are :/
[06:14] <Guest16255> am rohith
[06:14] <Guest16255> bbtw
[06:15] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, you are reading that link?
[06:15] <Guest16255> yes
[06:15] <Guest16255> wlll try it out nwo
[06:16] <Guest16255> thanq so much
[06:16] <Guest16255> missing linux
[06:16] <Guest16255> :(
[06:18] <Mohan_chml> Guest16255, try that
[06:30] <kaushal> hi
[06:30] <kaushal> are there freelance assignements available ?
[06:30] <temposs> kaushal, how do you mean?
[06:31] <kaushal> temposs: basically I am well versed with offering linux solutions
[06:32] <temposs> kaushal, this is not the place to ask such a question
[06:32] <Mohan_chml> hey kaushal you can contribute to the community here. (As I told you already)
[06:32] <temposs> kaushal, we offer linux solutions for free here
[06:33] <temposs> kaushal, anything else is unacceptable in this forum
[06:33] <kaushal> temposs: sure
[06:34] <kaushal> temposs: i would like to contribute
[06:34] <kaushal> how do i start with ?
[06:34] <temposs> kaushal, then stay connected to this chatroom and wait for someone to come and ask a question
[06:34] <Mohan_chml> kaushal, I already told you to what to do
[06:34] <temposs> if you know the answer, then you may answer it
[06:34] <seidos> kaushal, you could try fixing these in the meantime:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[06:34] <seidos> night all
[11:02] <Crash417> hii
[11:02] <Crash417> pppl
[11:02] <Crash417> any 1 thr
[11:02] <Crash417> yaar
[11:02] <Crash417> any1 thr
[11:02] <Crash417> need help urgently
[11:02] <Crash417> !!!!
[11:05] <Crash417> why is this room dead
[11:37] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:45] <Silver_Fox_> Hello =)
[12:02] <duanedesign> hello Silver_Fox_
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> Hello duanedesign  :)
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> How are you doing ?
[15:16] <arnotixe_> hi all in a recent update the cups-pdf package was suggested removed. What's the alternative to cups-pdf?
[16:55] <DiegoTc> hi guys
[16:56] <AbhiJit> hi
[16:56] <Mohan_chml> heya DiegoTc
[16:57] <DiegoTc> ho Mohan_chml  AbhiJit
[16:57] <Mohan_chml> DiegoTc: Long time no see.. Hows life??
[16:57] <DiegoTc> here getting ready for the dev academy :D
[16:57] <Mohan_chml> cool
[17:02] <dengaku_sco> hello
[17:07] <dengaku_sco> i dont know if u remember me from last night, but i had the GNOME Power Manager problem at login
[17:07] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco: I do remember
[17:07] <Mohan_chml> and what happened?
[17:07] <dengaku_sco> cool
[17:08] <dengaku_sco> nothing
[17:08] <dengaku_sco> i pressed Alt+Cnrl+1, and put in the code u gave me. and noth9ing happend
[17:09] <Mohan_chml> argh!
[17:09] <Mohan_chml> I had never got a problem like that and let me look around for your problem
[17:10] <dengaku_sco> ill try it again and take notes on what happens if i missed something
[17:10] <dengaku_sco> brb
[17:22] <dengaku_sco> back
[17:23] <dengaku_sco> nothing happened
[17:28] <dengaku_sco> pressed Alt+Cntl+F1, logedin, got a "scott@ubuntu:"$" line, put in the code, got a "[sudo] password" line, put my password. then, got another "scott@ubuntu:"$" line. nothing else.
[17:28] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco: http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/13/solved-unable-to-boot-due-to-gnome-power-manager-error/
[17:29] <Mohan_chml> have a look at that^
[17:29] <dengaku_sco> ok
[17:29] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco: is that the error displayed in the link I gave?
[17:30] <Mohan_chml> if so, try that. or report here
[17:30] <dengaku_sco> yes that is it exactly
[17:31] <Mohan_chml> okay and I have found another link with stories about this too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326409
[17:32] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco: try those links and good luck =]
[17:32] <dengaku_sco> thank you so much
[17:32] <Mohan_chml> yw (:
[17:34] <hobgoblin> if your error is down to lack of space - running the apt-get clean command more than once will not accomplish anything
[17:34] <dengaku_sco> ok
[17:34] <Mohan_chml> heya hobgoblin =]
[17:35] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[17:35]  * Mohan_chml yawns
[17:37] <hobgoblin> dengaku_sco: a df -h will tell you more - look for the line with mounte on / and see what it says about Use%
[17:39] <dengaku_sco> um..barely understood that
[17:40] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:40] <hobgoblin> can you get into the system?
[17:40] <dengaku_sco> into ubuntu? (im in Vista right now)
[17:41] <hobgoblin> ubuntu - so can you get in with the recovery mode - that is from the ubuntu boot menu - second option
[17:41] <dengaku_sco> i can do that
[17:42] <hobgoblin> dengaku_sco: ok - so do that - then when you get the root menu choose root terminal and enter df -h
[17:43] <dengaku_sco> ok
[17:43] <hobgoblin> you'll get a list - look for the line that includes / under the Mounted on column - in that line what is the number that is under the Use% column
[17:43] <hobgoblin> that will tell you how full your root drive is
[17:44] <hobgoblin> mine is 26% used /dev/sda6              18G  4.2G   13G  26% /
[17:44] <hobgoblin> and I have 13Gb available
[17:44] <hobgoblin> but if your issue is not actually to do with lack of space that is all a waste of time - I don't have a log of what your issue is :)
[17:45] <dengaku_sco> lol
[17:45] <dengaku_sco> ok, wrote all that down
[17:46] <shahan> Apacer 2GB pen drive is not formatting
[17:47] <shahan> Ubuntu 10.04
[17:52] <hobgoblin> how bizarre
[19:04] <ehcah> Hello. Does anyone know if the ubuntu canada repositories are down?
[19:05] <ehcah> I can not do any updates or installs from terminal?
[19:31] <AbhiJit> bye
[19:39] <TheAberrant> Hi all - got a Linode server setup with Ubuntu 10.4, and trying to secure it.  Changed SSH a bit, but also set up OpenVPN and got connected to the server with my Win7 desktop.  Now I'm trying to figure out how to make sure I'm connecting via the VPN tunnel, and then how to block external SSH access with iptables
[19:40] <TheAberrant> I've tried looking at Netstat -r, but can't really tell what I'm seeing there...
[20:11] <dengaku_sco> im back again
[20:11] <Mohan_chml> wb dengaku_sco
[20:11] <dengaku_sco> and the sudo apt-get clean line worked
[20:11] <Mohan_chml> dengaku_sco: cool :)
[20:12] <dengaku_sco> it was that i have a pretty full drive
[20:12] <hobgoblin> if it worked then I would suggest you look into that then - it WILL happen again otherwise :)
[20:12] <Mohan_chml> yeah! remember what you did to clear errors in future as hobgoblin said
[20:13] <dengaku_sco> been doing that all day. deleting here, deleting there
[20:13] <hobgoblin> might be worth looking into some partition resizing ;)
[20:14] <dengaku_sco> well the whole point of trying Ubuntu out is to see if it will be worth reformatting my comp toUbuntu
[20:16] <hobgoblin> aaah - wubi is it?
[20:16] <dengaku_sco> yep
[20:16] <hobgoblin> k
[20:17] <hobgoblin> then now you know how big to make the / partition when you install with a normal install then :)
[20:17] <dengaku_sco> mmmmaaaybe
[20:18] <hobgoblin> bigger than it is now lol
[20:18] <dengaku_sco> ah! gotcha
[20:19] <hobgoblin> if you have a seperate /home then I'd go for 9Gb or so - but I like to make sure :)
[20:20] <dengaku_sco> sounds good. i like to play safe
[20:21] <dengaku_sco> and being as Unbuntu and Linux seem like learning a new counrty, ill want to play it safe
[20:24] <hobgoblin> probably a good idea :)
[21:47] <WrathZA> hey guys, I'm trying to diagnose a X freeze issue but I can't find my xconfig, it's not in /etc/X11
[21:52] <Mohan_chml> WrathZA: you are using 10.10?
[21:53] <Mohan_chml> WrathZA: and you must be looking for xorg.conf
[21:54] <ibuclaw> WrathZA, what type of graphics card?
[21:54] <ibuclaw> xorg.conf is deprecated :x
[21:55] <WrathZA> hi guys, sorry. looking though the logs...
[21:56] <WrathZA> ibuclaw: intel onboard
[21:56] <WrathZA> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[21:57] <WrathZA> X freezes after 30 seconds, but the box is still up. I can SSH in
[21:57] <WrathZA> Mohan: how would I know what exact version I'm using
[21:58] <WrathZA> I did a "apt-get upgrade" so I assume the latest?
[21:58] <ibuclaw> cat /etc/issue
[21:58] <WrathZA> Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
[21:59] <ibuclaw> yeah, we can assume latest then. :-)
[22:00] <Mohan_chml> hey ibuclaw =]
[22:00] <ibuclaw> there are already several bugs open regarding 82945G/GZ chips
[22:00] <ibuclaw> mostly to do with having Compiz enabled
[22:00] <WrathZA> ok, that's a start
[22:00] <WrathZA> how do I disable Compiz?
[22:04] <WrathZA> ibuclaw, you're a jedi, I killed compiz (sudo killall compiz) and it works (so far)
[22:06] <ibuclaw> WrathZA, system->preferences->appearance
[22:07] <ibuclaw> under 'Visual Effects', select 'Disabled'
[22:07] <ibuclaw> problem seems to still be the case in the upstream kernel drivers too
[22:08] <ibuclaw> so you'll have to do the same if you upgrade to Maverick at the end of the month. :3
[22:09] <WrathZA> wow, I'm a happy man. 3 days of pain and a lot of learning (the good part) and finally a fellow south african has the answer.
[22:09] <WrathZA> respect
[22:10] <WrathZA> I have another question though :)
[22:12] <WrathZA> during all my debugging, I found a process called 'backend' locking one of my cores @ 100%
[22:12] <WrathZA> searched synaptic for the name to uninstall it, but there are lots of packages, how do I know which one it is so I can uninstall it?
[22:15] <WrathZA> ok, don't worry about it, I gtg anyways
[22:15] <WrathZA> thanks for the help, I apprecaite it.