[00:05] <coafcv> hggdh: sorry, I got disconnected a while ago. you said you had a Q for me.
[00:48] <hggdh> coafcv: I set them on the bug
[01:06] <bcurtiswx> hggdh, you write bugpatterns frequently?
[01:30] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: unfortunately no, I do not. But should...
[05:54] <kaushal> hi
[06:09] <kaushal> Are there freelance assignements available ?
[06:18] <persia> kaushal: You may have the wrong group: we're mostly volunteers.  You're welcome to help, but getting paid is something you'll have to work out separately.
[06:37] <xelister> kmail's address completion is absolutly useless in lucid
[06:37] <xelister> this makes kmail rather useless overall. can we set it to med or high prio? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/643244
[06:37] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 643244 in ubuntu "kaddressbook - doesnt allow to paste emails (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:39] <xelister> actually pasting a@b.c works,  but copy/paste of  Foo Bar <a@b.c> fails silently
[06:46] <micahg> xelister: kde 224023
[06:46] <ubot2> KDE bug 224023 in general "emailaddress can not be pasted, if they are not "perfect"" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224023
[06:47] <xelister> cool
[06:48] <micahg> xelister: could be fixed in maverick already, idk which release the commit correlates to
[06:52] <xelister> but who in the gods name designed kmail <-> address book
[06:52] <xelister> this is totall madness
[06:52] <xelister> I have other address books in file systems (std.vcf .. std1.vcf .. std7.vcf)
[06:53] <persia> It's easy to tell who: check the changelogs.  That said, it's better to assume that they were learning, rather than that they were insane.
[06:53] <xelister> other in kaddressbook, inclugin address book in address book, with katchy name like "kaddressbook_resource_1"
[06:53] <xelister> and neither of all this books is used by kmail!  that neither auto-completes,  nor adds addresses to address book
[06:54] <xelister> also, in kamil configuaration, the address book is not called "Personall addresses" nor "kaddressbook_resource_1" but just "Resource".   Oh, and I was thought it will be confusing
[06:55] <xelister> would be nice to have at least functionallity of say outlook express 10 years ago... to have an address book in email client
[06:55] <xelister> it was working quite fine untill ->lucid migration, with all the new Akonadi db growing pains
[06:55] <micahg> xelister: it doesn't help to rant in here we're just bug triagers in here
[06:55] <xelister> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/643248
[06:55] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 643248 in ubuntu "kmail problems with kaddressbook - what is used for autocomplete, how to edit it (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:17] <xelister> work around posted there as comment
[08:36] <vish> wgrant: what "final freeze" are you referring to in 615300 ?
[08:36] <vish> the bug seems to have been fixed in the nick of time for UIF ;) --  Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:07:56 +0200  Changed in evolution (Ubuntu):status: New → Fix Released
[08:38] <persia> vish, Likely https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[08:39] <vish> persia: exactly , but that was only recently, people seem to have noticed the change only now and are mislead as to when it was changed
[08:41] <vish> hehe! i get a free exception for the final freeze, so people should contact me!!! ;p
[08:41] <persia> what?
[08:42] <vish> persia: just kidding ... :D  point 4 "Acts of ... *Vishnu*, ...  "
[08:43] <persia> I think people aren't checking carefully before responding to that bug, really.  It happened 3 weeks ago.
[08:43] <vish> yea!
[08:43] <persia> vish, Oh, heh.
[08:43] <persia> But timing aside, it was publicised recently, and so now is as good a time as any for discussion.
[08:44] <persia> Someone might change it, or might not.  What folks don't seem to notice is that it's still not on by default post FinalFreeze.
[08:44] <persia> That said, I think the discussion is useful as input towards Natty (or at least some of it: some of it is off-topic or pointless vitrol).
[08:44] <vish> its only if the user does not have a signature set
[08:45] <persia> Is it?  New installs set it by default?  Odd.
[08:46]  * persia has no idea, and little concern, knowing of open, reported, security issues in that software which were considered wishlist or uninteresting by upstream
[08:46] <vish> yea, if its a new account , that is the sig , if not , its the user;s sig
[08:46] <persia> Oh, that's probably bad, but isn't what the commit message says.
[08:46] <persia> "define an Ubuntu signature which writes "Sent from Ubuntu", the signature is in the list but not default yet for new accounts, that should change before the end of the cycle"
[08:47] <persia> If it's set by default, that's either a different bug, or something else.
[08:48] <vish> most people dont even know what the bug is, and many of them who have commented there i know dont even use a mail client :)
[08:49] <vish> anyway.. let the concerned slug it out :D
[08:49] <persia> Indeed.
[08:51] <wgrant> vish: Yeah, I replied a few minutes later noting that mistake.
[08:52] <vish> wgrant: ah! was intrigued since scottk opened a maverick task stating that the release team was not contacted.. so everyone is mislead ;)
[08:54] <wgrant> It still violated FeatureFreeze.
[08:54] <wgrant> And the general guideline that doing something controversial shouldn't be snuck in late, especially without telling the community...
[08:57] <persia> I'd argue that those who made the decision are also part of the community.
[08:57] <wgrant> This is true.
[08:58] <persia> As a result, "the community" was informed.
[08:58] <persia> Many individual members weren't informed.
[08:58] <vish> well , i dont think that the change is 'controversial' to begin with
[08:58] <persia> The issue is more that we have increasingly large volumes of data, and can no longer necessarily easily keep track of what is happening in areas of interest.
[08:58] <wgrant> It's adding visible advertising to content produced by the operating system.
[08:58] <vish> its a choice to use it or not
[08:59] <vish> it does not violate an existing pref
[08:59] <persia> vish, The change is clearly controversial, as there is controversy :)
[08:59] <vish> well , its much a do about nothing IMO ..
[09:00] <persia> Many folk identify with Ubuntu, and consider the Ubuntu Desktop images to be reflections of themselves.  If that image contains things with which they disagree, that identify comes into question, and they feel conflicted.
[09:00] <persia> So when large visible changes are made, it's important to ensure that everyone agrees with the idea.
[09:01] <persia> (or to do it in some flavour with less close identification: this is yet another reason I think having a perception of a "default" flavour is dangerous)
[09:01] <vish> persia: the 'controversies' recently created are really getting silly ... not this one though , people might seem to have a concern, about being the choice, but many dont really seem to have understood the change and are just having knee-jerk reactions to what they are being told
[09:03] <vish> to me it sounds like people might even object to using "@gmail,com"  it is the service you use so it that offensive too?
[09:03] <vish> so is*
[09:03] <vish> with @gmail. you dont even have a choice to change it ;p
[09:04] <vish> and gmail is a similar free service/host ...
[09:05] <persia> vish, I agree that folk don't understand the change.  I'm not sure the controversy is silly: people feeling alienated is bad.  I don't think the comparison to gmail is useful, as you aren't one of the folks that creates gmail.
[09:05] <wgrant> gmail.com has a technical reason for being there.
[09:05] <wgrant> And you can change it.
[09:06] <persia> And you can select lots of other providers without necessarily changing what you do each day, or your personal sense of identity.
[09:06] <persia> Lots of folk who help work on Ubuntu *can't* switch anymore, as their participation in Ubuntu is part of who they consider themselves.
[09:07] <vish> persia: "cant switch?" i dint understand..
[09:09] <persia> So, if someone spends, say, 3 hours a day working on Ubuntu, and they told everyone they met in the past couple years "I work on Ubuntu" because they don't want to discuss their boring repetitive employment, and tends to only spend time with other folks that are working on Ubuntu: what happens if they try to switch?  What do they do for those 3 hours?  How do they explain themselves to their friends? etc.
[09:10] <vish> ah! :)
[09:11] <vish> persia: well, i dint say this controversy is silly.. that why i said "not this one though" , but its just odd that people get so angry nowadays , even when there is a choice..   i would not use that sig , i'd just change it to my personal one , but the reactions just seems odd.. :)
[09:13] <persia> People probably don't care for their own usage: they are more concerned about the image presented to the world, or for new users.
[09:13] <vish> might be..
[09:14] <persia> Anyway, other stuff to do :)
[10:01] <AnAnt> LP #643343
[10:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 643343 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Login via gdm fails, yet startx is working (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643343
[10:01] <AnAnt> is there any info I should add to ^ this bug ?
[10:02] <persia> AnAnt, Is gdm crashing and restarting, or just restarting?  If the former, a stacktrace would be lovely.
[10:06] <AnAnt> persia: how do I know if it is crashing ?
[10:07] <persia> Perhaps you could log in via ssh, tell upstart not to run gdm, launch it manually, attempt to log in, and check the failure state?
[10:07] <persia> Alternately, log in via a separate console, and do the same thing, switching back and forth as necessary (harder to see what is going on, but requires fewer computers)
[10:13] <AnAnt> persia: I think I found the error cause
[10:13] <AnAnt> persia: I had a script in /etc/profile.d/ which had a bashism !
[10:16] <AnAnt> persia: thanks , running gdm manually made me discover the problem !
[10:19] <persia> Don't forget to invalidate the bug :)
[10:33] <svaksha> hi, an apt upgrade throws this error, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/264787/
[10:33] <svaksha> the tryton folks asked me to file a packaging bug against lucid
[10:33] <svaksha> and what logfiles would i have to attach with the bug report
[10:38] <persia> svaksha, Start with `ubuntu-bug tryton-server` as I recommended.  Once you have a bug, if someone doesn't get back to you here, they will probably get back to you there.
[10:47] <svaksha> persia: umm... i assume ubuntu does not package tryton, just pulls the debian packages? so maybe its more useful to check if hte bug is in debian too?
[10:48] <persia> It is correct that Ubuntu does not modify the packages.  Checking if it also affects Debian is a great next step.  I generally encourage bugs to be filed as a coordination point first, but that may just be my preference.
[15:37] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray, IIRC you had a tool to easily report bugs upstream (in my case GNOME) that would take all comments from current LP bug and send to an upstream report
[16:16] <elopio> good morning bugsquad.
[16:18] <elopio> now my evolution bug triggers apport, but the report it tries to send has 200MiB. Shouldn't it allow to upload a smaller report?
[16:18] <elopio> 200MiB is a lot for my upload rate and unstable conection.
[16:20] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: that was bryce
[16:20] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray, i just found it.. it was you http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master/annotate/head%3A/launchpadlib-scripts/forward-bug-to-debian.py
[16:21] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: see the debian bit in there?  you'd asked about gnome
[16:21] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray, yeah, i realized that after i hit enter button.  Thx though :)
[16:22] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal6/node/88
[16:22] <bdmurray> that might have what you are looking for
[16:24] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray, yes, thx
[17:39] <devildante> hi guys :)
[18:07] <AbhiJit> hi devildante :)
[18:07] <devildante> hi AbhiJit :)
[18:08] <AbhiJit> :)
[19:43] <xelister> still buggy ssh agent support - now causes also filezilla to not connect to servers
[19:43] <xelister> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/505278
[19:43] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 505278 in openssh (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "ssh-add -D deleting all identities does not work. Also, why are all identities auto-added? (affects: 1) (heat: 69)" [Low,Invalid]
[19:44] <xelister> should it then be perhaps medium? it affects many applicatations leaking away private data (list of pubkeys that you have -> your identity) or even  blocking ssh-based connections in hard to debug ways
[19:54] <xelister> hmmm  mount,
[19:55] <xelister> foo  type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,min_batch_time=500000,max_batch_time=900000,commit=20,min_batch_time=1000000,max_batch_time=2000000,commit=40,commit=30,min_batch_time=100000,max_batch_time=2000000
[20:22] <bcurtiswx_> BUGabundo, what bug is ken talking about?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/643784
[20:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 643784 in gwibber "failing to finish a refresh (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:24] <bcurtiswx_> 2.33? did i miss a release?
[20:24] <bcurtiswx_> :P
[20:24] <BUGabundo> daily ?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> dinner
[20:25] <bcurtiswx_> you cant eat until you recite a sentence in binary
[20:28] <bcurtiswx_> BUGabundo, your pastebin have a PW in it?
[21:29]  * hggdh goes look and write it down
[21:55] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx hope not! or gwibber REALLY sucks
[22:46] <intrader> All, I have not seen action on bug 631130. I mostly now boot onto Windows 7 for my browsing. I need help with this ubuntu 10.04 problem.
[22:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[23:00] <intrader> Staff, how do I find out who is active on channel?
[23:02] <hggdh> intrader: what do you mean by that?
[23:05] <micahg> intrader: it's triaged, that's as far as we go here, unless the importance is wrong
[23:05] <micahg> charlie-tca: why did you mark that bug Medium vs high?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> the bug that affects a single user?
[23:06] <micahg> intrader: we're also close to a release, so only high priority fixes are being worked on at the moment, we can ascertain if that bug fits this category
[23:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, so no other reports similar?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Not that I know of
[23:06] <micahg> I've seen various issues with Nvidia since Lucid, but nothing specific
[23:07]  * micahg really needs more sleep
[23:07] <micahg> nothing I can pin it down to
[23:07] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[23:07] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:08] <charlie-tca> I did not see anything there that qualified for a higher importance, myself. Do you?
[23:10] <intrader> micahg, thanks for the info - it is just do frustrating. This machine boots, Windows XP, Windows 7, and ubuntu 10.4. Both windows version run well with same browser (firefox)
[23:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, perceived impact (if others are affected and the response time makes the system unusable, it would seem to be high), but I recall something about the nvidia 96 driver recently
[23:11] <micahg> intrader: right, but according to your report it's not just firefox
[23:11] <charlie-tca> if others are affected
[23:12] <micahg> intrader: I've seen firefox reports with nvidia for a while now,  I need to get them consolidated and upstreamed
[23:12] <intrader> micahg, yes, all applications are showing the problem. The ones that I use on ubuntu are firefox, eclipse, and a document viewer.
[23:13] <micahg> charlie-tca: right, that's the catch, i thought there was a workaround for the nvidia 96 slowness issue
[23:13] <micahg> intrader: do you have desktop effects enabled?
[23:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know. If you have justification, raise it
[23:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: actually, I'm trying to find justification to not raise it :)
[23:14] <intrader> micahg, also freemind (which has all kinds of additional issues on 10.04). Effects not enabled and I tried it with and without the NVIDIEA 96 driver
[23:17] <intrader> charlie-tca, and where is that workaround for the driver? - I would like to try it; but then it is slow without the 96 driver.
[23:18] <micahg> intrader: I mentioned it, but it's a vague memory
[23:19] <charlie-tca> micahg: you should know, I don't lower such things, I just don't always get them right, either.
[23:19] <intrader> micahg, I have googled and not found it
[23:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, looks fine to me, just trying to think of something else
[23:20] <intrader> micahg, ,charlie-tca: can you let me on this?
[23:20] <drizzle> hi all
[23:20] <drizzle> i have a question
[23:21] <drizzle> on the sound troubleshooting page it states for triaging to do the following: In general, no-sound/low-sound/headphone-no-sound/no auto-mute/etc. bugs should be:Filed against the linux source package.Add the kernel-sound tagSubscribe (do not assign) the Ubuntu-audio team (not the ubuntu-audio-dev team)
[23:21] <drizzle> how do we add the kernel-sound tag?
[23:21] <micahg> intrader: I think I might have been mistaken
[23:21] <micahg> drizzle: edit the tags and add it?
[23:22] <charlie-tca> drizzle: click the little pencil by "tags" at the bottom of the description, type in "kernel-sound", click the green checkmark
[23:22] <intrader> micahg, mistaken about what?
[23:22] <micahg> intrader: a workaround, hold on, I'm checking something
[23:22] <drizzle> thank you
[23:22] <drizzle> thought it needed to be something else
[23:23] <charlie-tca> intrader: the bug is triaged, it is waiting for the developers to have time to work on it now
[23:23] <charlie-tca> almost everyone working on fixes is a volunteer, just like us. They fix things in their spare time
[23:23] <micahg> intrader: there's a slightly newer (1 point revision) driver in the x-updates PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[23:26] <intrader> micahg, how do I install this, or should I ask #ubuntu?
[23:26] <micahg> intrader: in addition to what charlie-tca said, we're at Final Freeze, so only high priority fixes are being worked on
[23:28] <micahg> intrader: there should be instructions on the page on how to install, but keep in mind, this hasn't been tested as well as the actual version in release, so there might be bugs
[23:30] <intrader> micahg, I will look there, and if I have to back out, what then? I hesitate to bother you more.
[23:30] <micahg> intrader: install the ppa-purge tool from that PPA, it can revert you back to the archvie versions
[23:31] <micahg> intrader: if it helps please update your bug with your findings
[23:31] <micahg> intrader: and good luck
[23:32] <intrader> micahg, I will and I hope it makes a difference. Thanks again!