[02:58] Hi everyone, does anyone know how to contact davidz (David Zeuthen). I am working on the gnome-device-manager package and I wanted to ask him a few questions. [03:12] kmckinney: you'll find him on GimpNet during work hours on weekdays [03:15] mclasen: thanks!! [04:21] c === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:35] good morning [07:53] pitti: hi :) do you have a second or two for two quite trivial freeze exceptions? [08:21] good morning, everybody! i have a question about the rdepends of libevolution: shouldn't they all depend on evolution too? [08:21] eg., i purged evolution and evolution-indicator stayed behind because it only depends on libevolution. [08:21] rdepends already depending on both: evolution-couchdb, evolution-exchange, evolution-plugins-experimental, evolution-mapi [08:22] morning mvo [08:22] rdepends depending on libevolution only: libevolution-dbgsym, tracker-miner-evolution, mail-notification-evolution, evoluion-plugins, evolution-indicator [08:22] glatzor, hi [08:23] hello bryceh! how are you? [08:23] mvo, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/642936 [08:23] Ubuntu bug 642936 in python-apt (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Doesn't monitor remove transactions (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,Unknown] [08:23] htorque: evolution doesn't use libevolution, hence evo doesn't dep on libevolution [08:24] Good morning [08:24] mvo, could you please take a look at this python-apt bug? I attachted a patch. [08:24] morning pitti [08:24] hey pitti [08:24] slomo: I can have a look, yes [08:25] guten Morgen glatzor, wie gehts? [08:25] didrocks, hm, 'apt-cache depends evolution' shows 'Depends: libevolution'? [08:25] bonjour didrocks [08:25] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good0.10/+bug/641218 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem-plugin-arte/+bug/639760 (second one is in universe) [08:25] Ubuntu bug 641218 in gst-plugins-good0.10 (Ubuntu) "Freeze Exception: Backport 0.10.24-3 and 0.10.24-4 changes from Debian (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] [08:25] htorque: sorry, I apt-cache show the other way around :) [08:26] glatzor: good morning! sure, I have a look now [08:26] glatzor, doing fine, you? [08:26] bryceh, pitti, thanks. I am well, but I am in a hurry - have to get my bus! So see you! [08:26] htorque: not necessarily, that would usually be handled if the the package is marked automatically for install and if nothing else uses it, aptitude/apt should offer to remove [08:26] htorque: so, it seems normal that they only depends on libevolution, evolution is just the gui [08:27] htorque: libevolution the way to access to e-d-s [08:28] htorque: you can see why it was left by running: aptitude why libevolution [08:31] slomo: done, looks fine [08:31] pitti: thanks :) [08:31] micahg, didrocks: thanks. i'm still a bit confused, why eg. evolution-plugins depends only on libevolution, while evolution-plugins-experimental depends on both. or: can evolution-indicator be used without the package evolution? [08:33] htorque: this one should be an issue. But they are plugins that can be used with anjal for instance, IIRC, I set that for those depending on evolution (the gui) itself or not. I'll have a look again for Natty. evolution-indicator should work with anjal [08:34] didrocks, ah, makes sense then. thanks! :) [08:34] htorque: you're welcome :) [10:23] chrisccoulson: hey ;) [10:23] hi didrocks, how are you? [10:35] hey chrisccoulson, good morning [10:35] chrisccoulson: had a nice weekend? [10:36] hi pitti [10:36] yeah, it wasn't too bad, although i spent quite a bit of time yesterday trying to get firefox to build with the test-suite enabled [10:37] other than that, it was a fairly quiet weekend [10:37] how about you? [10:37] grrrr @ bug 641294 [10:37] Launchpad bug 641294 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Error loading the runtime (/usr/lib/firefox-3.6.10/libnssutil3.so: undefined symbol: PL_ClearArenaPool) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641294 [10:43] chrisccoulson: was rather quiet, too (my wife is away visiting a friend); so I went for some bicycling, house cleaning, and watching too many "Doctor House" episodes :) [10:43] chrisccoulson: I went to a "Star Trek - Facts and Fiction" presentation on Sat evening, which was really interesting, though [10:43] I was surprised to learn that the Warp drive is quite a lot more realistic than I thought [10:45] even the "reach warp 10 and you'll devolve into some kind of lizard" bit from Voyager? [10:46] pitti - nice. is this the sort of thing you can only do when your wife is away, or is she also a star trek fan too? [10:47] chrisccoulson: she isn't; however, I'd have gone there anwyay, she just wouldn't have joined me :) [10:47] directhex: well, there's quite a bit of impact waay before you fold the universe into an infinitesimally small point :) [10:48] hey chrisccoulson [10:48] chrisccoulson: how was your week-end? [10:49] before that I knew that some physicist had come up with some theories about how this could work, but back then it still needed 20 billion universe energies to do that [10:49] but apparently in 1999 some clever guy reduced that by a factor of 10**32 (!) [10:49] so it's "only" the energy of 20 suns now [10:50] there's more power in dilithium than i thought! [10:50] directhex: oh, this was all just from a purely theoretical standpoint, of course; no engineering at all [10:50] hey didrocks, it was good thanks. how was yours? [10:50] they just looked at how to warp space (in the GRT sense) to create such a "warp bubble" [10:51] chrisccoulson: well, I was force to test maverick reinstallation. / has been corrupted and no way to fsck, even on live cd [10:51] chrisccoulson: so, not a very good experience [10:51] ouch, that's not good [10:51] and of course the little problem that building such a warp bubble needs something that produces negative energy; while that's physically allowed, nobody found such a thing yet [10:51] chrisccoulson: yeah, but at least /home was safe :) [10:51] (except in ridiculously small quantities using the Casimir effect) [10:52] * pitti realizes he's waaay OT here, sorry [10:52] chrisccoulson: btw, do you have some free time for some GNOME bug? [10:52] didrocks - yeah, sure [10:52] chrisccoulson: bug #633303 would be interesting to fix [10:52] my indicator-application merge is on-topic. but it needs a tedg or bratsche, both of whom are hiding [10:52] Launchpad bug 633303 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "gnome-terminal crashed with signal 5 in _XError() when Mutter is restarted (affects: 70) (dups: 23) (heat: 244)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633303 [10:53] chrisccoulson: people get it on unity and gnome shell, so maybe vte related [10:53] didrocks - yeah, i can look at that one [10:53] chrisccoulson: but terminator doesn't crash (xterm does from a report) [10:53] chrisccoulson: thanks ;) [10:53] xterm doesn't for me [10:53] chrisccoulson: also bug #629452 if you are interested :) [10:53] Launchpad bug 629452 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "can not disable bluetooth in applet menu (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 72)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629452 [10:54] chrisccoulson: I think that's enough for now. I'll try to continue on GNOME updates today [10:54] didrocks - sure, i'll take a look at that one after gnome-terminal [10:54] thanks chrisccoulson :) [10:57] hmm, is seb128 out? [10:59] rodrigo_: yeah, he's on vacation this week [10:59] rodrigo_: hey btw [10:59] hi didrocks [10:59] how are you? [10:59] ok, well deserved vacation I guess :) [10:59] right :) [11:00] didrocks, feeling a bit Mondayish, but fine, thanks, you? [11:00] rodrigo_: I'm fine thanks ;) sunny, but cold [11:01] rodrigo_: did you merge evolution localized welcome email in the patch, btw? (I think we should have it before Thursday to get it into maverick or dpm will cry ;)) [11:01] didrocks, working on it, dpm sent me the translations, but I need to format them in the mbox, etc [11:02] didrocks, but yes, before Thursday they will be in [11:02] probably today evedning or tomorrow, I'll have it done [11:02] rodrigo_: great! thanks :) [11:26] chrisccoulson: I'll assign the indicator bug to karl [11:46] hi [11:48] pitti: there are some interesting fixes for git packages (at least for me) from debian which could interesting to have for maverick, although the fixes are in experimental. Would it possible to have them or it is safer to pick the fixes one by one ? http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/git/git_1.7.2.3-1/changelog [12:13] rodrigo_: interested in doing the tomboy update? [12:14] didrocks, yes, I can do it, if you want [12:15] rodrigo_: sweet! thanks :) [12:16] didrocks, hmm, is the ~ubuntu-desktop up-to-date? I thought 1.3.3 had already been uploaded [12:16] no, only 1.3.2 in the archive [12:16] rodrigo_: yeah, only 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 [12:17] rodrigo_: but .3 just lived one day :) [12:17] ah [12:21] ok, building the package, will submit as soon as everyting is ok [12:26] didrocks, tomboy is broken [12:26] directhex: even .4? [12:26] rodrigo_: ^^ [12:27] didrocks, Bug #636132 [12:27] Launchpad bug 636132 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "Tomboy does not start, indicator-application version skew (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636132 [12:27] didrocks, hmm, is it? [12:27] testing now [12:27] only works on upgrade systems with leftover libindicator0 [12:27] didrocks, seems to work ok for me [12:28] trying there using not the applet [12:28] oh, but no text for the notes titles in the menu :( [12:28] rodrigo_, do you have libindicator0 installed? [12:28] the panel applet works great [12:29] directhex, hmm, let me check [12:29] ii libappindicator0 0.2.3-0ubuntu2 [12:29] rodrigo_, that's why it works. leftover package [12:29] so, if I remove that, it doesn'0t work? [12:29] ok [12:30] ugh, I've uploaded the package already :( [12:30] fixed (well, hacked around) in https://code.launchpad.net/~directhex/indicator-application/gapi_is_a_pile_of_shit/+merge/35963 [12:30] directhex: it works there, I've reinstalled from scratch maverick yesterday. But I have to check why I have it [12:30] directhex, ah, dll mapping [12:31] directhex, I had a similar problem in the u1 patch in tomboy [12:31] rodrigo_, dll mapping plus a major problem with the way gapi handles signals, which took the other 11 hours of yesterday's hacking [12:31] ok, so the fix is outside tomboy, so it's ok for the tomboy ackage to be uploaded, right? [12:31] directhex, :( [12:31] directhex: ok, I get libindicator0 because of unity [12:31] directhex, gapi is a bit unmaintained, hasn't seen a release for months, afaics [12:31] rodrigo_, yes, tomboy should be okay, it's the binding that needs updating [12:32] ok [12:32] rodrigo_, indeed... trunk version doesn't cope with this scenario (multiple signals w/ the same signal handler) either [12:32] directhex: just ping tedg about that one when he's there [12:32] didrocks, he hasn't been here since i proposed the merge! i reckon he's hiding [12:32] didrocks, merge this then please -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/1_3_4_release/+merge/36002 [12:33] directhex: hehe, right. Just remember me to launch the hunt then :p [12:33] rodrigo_: sure, thanks! [12:33] baptistemm: does git have a test suite with nice coverage? or anyone else who tested the new version? For a package like git, syncing could be adequate [12:34] didrocks, sorry, proposed it for the wrong branch, re-proposing [12:35] pitti: I'm just uploading GNOME 2.31.92 without opening or subscribing ubuntu-release to each bug, it's ok I guess? [12:35] didrocks: yes, we'll review it from the queue [12:35] pitti: thanks :) [12:35] rodrigo_: pushed, thanks! [12:36] didrocks, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/1_3_4_release/+merge/36003 [12:36] didrocks, oh, already pushed? [12:39] rodrigo_: yes. I think LP will linked to the branch once scanned :) [12:39] didrocks, ah, ok === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:46] rodrigo_: you are using the wrong version number for new upstreams you upload [12:47] they should be -0ubuntu1 [12:47] pitti: I don't really know, I've just look at the package because I discovered some bugs while setting up a git repository with web interface [12:53] right, rodrigo_ can you fix that and upload again? pitti, can you reject -1ubuntu1, please? [12:54] didrocks: which package? [12:54] tomboy? [12:54] right, it's the only 1ubuntu1, rejecting [12:55] pitti: thanks :) [12:55] rodrigo_: open for a new upload :) === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [13:09] pitti: do you prefer than I update gdu or do you want to do it in experimental + sync? (or do you want me to propose a package for exp) [13:38] Laney, hmm, what is wrong then? [13:39] rodrigo_: you should use -0ubuntu1 instead of -1ubuntu1 [13:39] didrocks, oh [13:39] as you don't base on a debian version, apart if you merged :) [13:40] didrocks, the previous uploads all have 1ubuntu* === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:41] rodrigo_: it's never too late to make it right ;) [13:41] didrocks, ah, ok :) [13:41] rodrigo_: more seriously, if we want to merge from debian, we have to upload with -1 or -1ubuntu1 [13:41] which won't be possible if you use that version [13:41] ok [13:44] am I the only one with one row despite of the setting of 2 rows of ws in metacity? (which wasn't updated for a while) [13:46] rodrigo_: Yeah, you have to upload with higher version than what's in the archive already. If you use -1ubuntu1 then it's impossible to upload -1 as this is considered "lower" by dpkg [13:46] Laney, ah, ok [13:46] didrocks: ah, I can do that [13:46] pitti: thanks :) [13:47] didrocks: ah, in fact I already looked at that a while ago [13:48] didrocks: we don't upload to unstable since it drops all the GTK docs [13:48] didrocks, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/1_3_4_release/+merge/36003 <- change is there, so please merge [13:48] didrocks: and there's nothing urgent in that; is it important to get this new versino into maverick? [13:49] pitti: from what I see, yes, we need --enable-gtk-doc and build it. But nothing important from what I see in it. The import change (can be launched on small screen) is already backported [13:49] pitti: thanks :) [13:49] rodrigo_: doing, thanks! [13:49] didrocks: no, it was completely ripped out [13:49] didrocks: the small screen patch was reverted in 2.32 as well [13:49] pitti, my pending indicator-application merge is urgent for maverick, or certainly a similar merge is [13:49] pitti: oh really? did I misread the NEWS file? [13:50] didrocks: yes, it was reverted after tagging the release and NEWS file [13:50] didrocks: I suppose David noticed the broken gtk-doc stuff when he tried to make dist [13:50] pitti: oh ok, hence the fact I didn't saw that [13:51] well, no hurry in any case [13:57] rodrigo_: done, thanks :) [13:58] didrocks, ok! === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [14:18] it's tedg! [14:22] tedg: be careful, some people are hunting for you :) [14:22] * tedg runs and hides [14:23] directhex: he's there! quick! ;) [14:24] tedg, mono binding for indicator-application is "buggered" to use the technical term [14:24] directhex, I think that's a generic term for all mono bindings :) [14:25] I saw the merge request. [14:25] Does that make it happy-happy? [14:25] tedg, it makes it not ftbfs, and have correct deps, and stuff... it could do with some quick testing from someone with a maverick system [14:26] tedg, i uploaded a test package to my ppa, but haven't had time to set up a VM [14:26] directhex, Hmm, okay. Tomboy has worked correctly on my Maverick system... [14:26] tedg, purge libappindicator0 [14:27] directhex, No, that might break things ;) [14:27] tedg, it'd certainly break tomboy [14:40] right, gnome-terminal crasher is fixed \o/ [14:40] will upload in a second, and then send the patch upstream [14:41] chrisccoulson: awesome \o/ [14:41] * didrocks hugs chrisccoulson [14:42] chrisccoulson: what was it? [14:42] * chrisccoulson hugs didrocks [14:43] didrocks - it was just passing the XID of the destroyed window to XChangeProperty [14:43] it's a 1 line fix :) [14:43] hehe, I bet gnome-terminal didn't like it! :) [14:58] pitti: can you reject g-c-c please? I didn't see there is a 2.31.92.1 release too [14:58] didrocks: what? no bribe or tip? [14:59] j/k [14:59] killed [14:59] pitti: :p thanks! ;) [15:00] pitti: will tip you with some beer at UDS :) [15:00] good deal! [15:00] * pitti hugs didrocks [15:01] * didrocks hugs pitti back [15:02] i thought dholbach was the one people hugged [15:03] * nessita notices that every time she reads this channel people is huging eachother [15:04] directhex, yeah, but he's not in here :) [15:04] nessita, this channel is full of love [15:04] :) [15:04] nessita, FOSS developers are very loving [15:05] chrisccoulson: hey, the channel of love is #pyar! do not steal that from us [15:05] directhex: better love than hate :-) [15:07] nessita, #pyar doesn't speak my language though ;) [15:07] chrisccoulson: september is the bets tiome of the year to start speaking spanish! [15:07] s/tiome/time/ [15:18] Anyone here know anything about the transition effects that are built into evince? Is there some way to enable them? [15:21] bratsche: I thought they'd be specified in a PDF itself? [15:21] bratsche: ISTR playing with them in latex-beamer [15:22] Maybe you're right.. it kind of looked like it's used for page-changing animations, which is what I wanted. [15:23] Oh I think you're right. [15:33] didrocks - any other issues you want me to take a look at? [15:34] chrisccoulson: sure, looking at the bug list (I think nobody new from this morning, but in any case) [15:38] didrocks, btw, did you implement the error message if people try to run unity on non-gl HW ? [15:38] ogra: just did it this week-end [15:39] ogra: I'll just change .dmrc as well, it will be better for cases like live-cd where there is no passwd [15:39] and you can't choose your session [15:39] dmrc ? to what ? [15:39] ogra: to tell "gnome" is the default session then [15:39] hrm [15:40] cant you just use the default system session [15:40] oh, indeed, thats a prob on x86 without GL [15:40] ogra: well, the default will be une on the une live [15:40] * ogra thinks to ARMish [15:40] yeah [15:40] :) [15:40] on our images its une-efl [15:40] like, you have a nvidia card [15:40] you start ubuntu-netbook [15:40] (on the live cd) [15:40] right [15:41] you get into the session, error message [15:41] logout [15:41] understood [15:41] but then, you have ubuntu with no password and you can't change the session :) [15:41] hence the fix I should do to .dmrc [15:41] i'm just not so happy about the fact that we trash the users default session in our images in case he wanted to just try unity [15:41] ogra: better than nothing… if you want to do better :) [15:41] since he will now get back to gnome instead of the efl stuff [15:42] we should look for a proper solution for this at UDS [15:42] ogra: if you want to implement it, you can check if there is efl in the image [15:42] right [15:42] it should be set by the -default-settings packages but in a proper way [15:43] I'm already in a hurry, looking for important bug for the team and updating GNOME + unity team bug triage and uploads [15:43] worst case with an alternative or so [15:43] + some unity fixes I'm writing too [15:43] yeah, lets keep the discussion for UDS, i dont want to hold you up [15:43] for maverick its fine [15:43] yeah :) [15:44] * ogra has to fight with automatic PPA enablement in his images ... also time consuming [15:44] ande we dont have the final HW yet ... which means new bootloader and kernel right before release day [15:46] bratsche: did you have some time to look at bug #551809 ? [15:46] Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 276) (dups: 62) (heat: 1079)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551809 [15:52] chrisccoulson: interested in looking at it? ^ (I think bratsche didn't have the time to get a look there) [15:53] chrisccoulson: there is also bug #187823 if is on again… not sure if you want to have a look at cairo :) [15:53] Launchpad bug 187823 in libcairo-perl (Ubuntu Hardy) (and 2 other projects) "ftbfs (1 failed test) with current cairo version (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187823 [15:54] didrocks, yeah, i can take a look at the g-s-d crasher [15:55] chrisccoulson: thanks :) [15:55] chrisccoulson: seems to be gtk from the bug report [16:00] didrocks: I didn't get anywhere useful with it, and today I have to start on an MT demo for next week. [16:01] bratsche: sure, can you just ensure chrisccoulson have all the element you investigate? [16:01] elements* === zyga is now known as zyga-gone [16:05] kenvandine, hey did you tweet that led zeppelin link from rhythmbox? [16:05] rodrigo_, yup :) [16:05] rodrigo_, i just fixed that... [16:05] kenvandine, cool! :D [16:05] someone had renamed the vbox in the glade file [16:05] * kenvandine will propose a branch in a few [16:05] kenvandine, fixed in the rb plugin? [16:06] rodrigo_, yes [16:06] it was working a couple weeks ago... [16:06] kenvandine, ah, ok [16:06] kenvandine, yes === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [16:18] rodrigo_, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/u1msurl-gwibber/+merge/36027 [16:18] if you want to review it [16:18] :) [16:18] kenvandine, yesm reviewing it [16:28] kenvandine, i can still reproduce the notification bug, i've emailed you SS and steps to reproduce. No rush by any means. :) [16:31] bcurtiswx_, ok, thx! [16:31] i'll look at it in a bit [16:32] kenvandine, np [16:40] mvo, bug 643566 doesn't happen for me in my main installation, just in the fresh installation [16:40] Launchpad bug 643566 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Reinstall Previous Purchases" does nothing after signing in (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643566 [16:40] mvo, anything you want me to do to help debug it? [16:52] mpt: hmm, hmm, let me look at the code, but that looks like a issue with ubuntu-sso-client, could you try the buildin one? [16:52] mpt: is there more output, or just those lines? [16:52] mpt: could you run with "--debug" and paste the output? [16:54] mvo, really a sign-in problem even though it says it's signed in successfully? [16:54] mvo, there was no more output [16:55] mpt: well, that is a guess at this point, but the only error is dbus related [16:55] mpt: maybe --debug will help? [16:56] mpt: it might be that ubuntu-sso-client does not return the token to s-c after the login for some reason, so while u-sso-l is in, s-c is not [16:56] mpt: but again, just a guess at this point [16:56] ok, I'll try both, bbiab [16:56] mpt: thanks! [17:25] wahaha [17:25] mvo, it's not a sign-in problem, it's a navigation problem [17:25] meh? [17:25] really? [17:25] The menu item works only if the "Get Software" branch is already expanded [17:25] hahahaha [17:25] When it's collapsed, it just blinks [17:25] and is not added? [17:25] crazy! [17:25] It is added, if you expand it [17:26] many thanks for finding this one [17:26] so if expanded its fine and added [17:26] if unexpanded its not added, even if you expand later? [17:26] It is added [17:26] aha, but not selected? [17:26] exactly [17:26] great, please put that into the bug [17:26] I target it [17:29] bug 643566 updated [17:29] Launchpad bug 643566 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Reinstall Previous Purchases" apparently does nothing if "Get Software" is collapsed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643566 === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [17:30] thanks mpt [17:47] mvo: I have a fix for bug 643566, I'll upload a branch [17:47] Launchpad bug 643566 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Reinstall Previous Purchases" apparently does nothing if "Get Software" is collapsed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643566 [17:53] tremolux: sweet, thanks! [17:53] mvo: sure thing! [18:01] tremolux: wasnt there a bug/plan to redirect the "get more themes online" in the appearance window to direct to SC ? [18:02] vish: hmm, if there was I was not aware of it :-/ [18:02] hehe! [18:02] np.. [18:02] vish: ok, if you find the bug or run across info plz send to me if you don't mind [18:03] vish: meanwhile I'll poke around ;) [18:03] tremolux: sure.. will do :) [18:04] vish: thx [18:04] np.. [18:05] hey guys :) [18:05] devildante: hey! [18:06] hi tremolux [18:06] mpt is not here? on a monday? I call laziness :p [18:07] devildante: haha, nah, he was actually here until just a few minutes ago [18:07] ah [18:07] devildante: he may be back, not sure where he went [18:07] okay :) [18:08] and with that, I have to run to an appt myself, see everyone a little later [18:08] * tremolux waves [18:10] aquarius: Is Guake really the full width of the screen on Unity for you? I don't have any troubles with it. [18:12] sense, see http://ubuntuone.com/p/Gqa/ -- xchat is maximised on the first screen, and twitter is maximised on the second [18:12] as you can see, guake is sticking out into the second screen [18:13] aquarius: Ah, I see. That seems to be related to dual-monitor setups, but it's still annoying, especially since drop-down terminals and dual-monitor setups are both things often used by power users. I'll triage the bug report. [18:14] Although this is actually two bugs in one report. [18:14] yeah, it is, but I figured that if there was some magic way that an app is supposed to know about the unity launcher, then someone would change the bug to be "guake ignores settings for left-hand docks" [18:15] would be interesting to see what happens if you have a panel docked to the left side of your screen on a dual monitor setup and then run guake [18:15] yeah [18:16] I have to say though that the development of Guake does seem quite inactive. The TERM env variable bug has been lingering around for way too long already. [18:16] man, the TERM bug is really, really annoying [18:17] yes [18:18] not sure there are any alternative more-developed dropdown terminals [18:18] and I'm aware that they're purely a poweruser tool :) [18:19] chrisccoulson: btw, from your gnome-terminal fix, why didn't it crash before when switching from metacity to compiz or restarting the WM? [18:20] It is such a great thing! I'm more addicted to F12 these days than to F5. ;) [18:21] aquarius: Bug report upstream already: . Nine months old though. The latest commit that wasn't from Transifex was 7 weeks old. :S [18:23] sense, so it's basically orphaned upstream :( [18:23] I'm afraid it is slowly dying. :( === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [18:26] didrocks - if there is a WM already running, then a different code path is taken [18:26] so, if you switch WM or restart, it takes a code path which doesn't crash [18:26] chrisccoulson: oh ok, so if I crashed compiz, and respawn it, it would have crashed as well? [18:27] (although, theoretically it could still crash, if the new WM hasn't really started) [18:27] didrocks, yeah, i'd expect it to crash then too [18:27] chrisccoulson: thanks for the info ;) [18:27] yeah, understood [18:27] cool. i've committed it upstream now as well [18:31] great ;) [18:34] mvo: ping [18:35] devildante, I think he is at dinner [18:35] argh [18:51] pitti: it seems that cheese and gees are leftover from the acceptance queue. I'll push libgnomekbd and vala as well in a bit [18:51] session restart [18:59]