[00:05] <micahg> asac: ^^^
[00:06] <micahg> fta: are you going to file the request for another lpia builder or shoudl I?
[00:07] <fta> micahg, please do, i was about to leave
[00:07] <micahg> fta: k, have a good night
[00:07] <fta> thanks
[00:07] <fta> btw, i've committed the apport hooks to the daily branch
[00:08] <fta> will need more testers, esp on stable releases
[00:08] <micahg> fta: cool, thanks
[13:22] <chrisccoulson> asac - i noticed you're still assigned to mozilla bug 467766. are you planning to add a test-case for that patch, or do you want me to take that?
[13:22] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 467766 in Preferences: Backend "user settings for pref keys with defaults in extension get reset on upgrade" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467766
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> asac - same question for mozilla bug 460917 too :)
[13:23] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 460917 in Plugin Finder Service "New plugins only recognized after restarting Firefox" [Major,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460917
[14:34] <fta2> chrisccoulson, hi, if you have time, could you please test my apport hooks in the latest chromium? (python /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/chromium-browser.py)
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - yeah, sure. is there anything in particular you want me to test for?
[14:49] <fta2> chrisccoulson, well, no assert, for one. and if the reported info match what you have, and if possible, ch v6
[14:50] <fta2> i expect a few minor adjustments are needed
[15:59] <fta> micahg, did you file the request for more lpia builders?
[16:00] <micahg> fta: yeah, the queue is under 24 hours, so the builds should finish today
[16:00] <fta> chrisccoulson, did you have a chance to give my apport hooks a try?
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> fta - that's my next task :)
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> sorry, was just finishing with a gnome-terminal crasher
[16:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm pushing up Thunderbird 3.0.8 to thunderbird-stable since I haven't fixed the wrapper yet
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, thanks.
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> urgh, so many updates to do.....
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> i think i will leave those for when i have more time :)
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> fta - the apport hook is working ok so far with the combinations i've tested. i'll try with ch 6 in a moment
[16:29] <fta> good (so far)
[16:37] <fta> doesn't work for v6 with a clean profile
[16:40] <fta> ok, easy enough, fixed
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> fta - you fixed this one already?:
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> if 'check_default_browser' in entry['browser']:
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> KeyError: 'browser'
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> (with a clean profile)
[17:07] <fta> yep, hold on a sec, i've also extended it to add the active plugin list
[17:10] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-browser.py
[17:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm also pushing FF4.0 b6
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> fta - thanks
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - awesome :)
[17:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm not merging the test suite changes as I don't have time
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, those aren't important for that. the test-suite changes are really to catch regressions when i start trying PGO builds :)
[17:11] <fta> hm, bug 529758
[17:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529758 in baltix (and 2 other projects) "Extension to install a flash provider (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529758
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> fta - i think that was one of the things jcastro mentioned in his e-mail when explaining the reason for not switching to chromium on UNE
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> s/reason/reasons/
[17:15] <fta> hm, it's an old bug, why did i just receive an update?
[17:15] <fta> oh, an upstream bug
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, someone just added a link, and a baltix task as well
[17:26] <fta> chrisccoulson, is the new version ok?
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> fta - just trying that now
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, that's working ok now
[17:31] <fta> hm.. for some reason, the plugins key is not populated until something is manually changed in about:plugins
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i see that too (on ch 6)
[17:35] <fta> it's not my fault though, so it's fine as long as the hooks survive
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - where is the "Default Plug-in" for chromium stored? (or is it actually compiled in?)
[17:36] <fta> chrisccoulson, i guess it's built-in
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> fta - do you know if it's possible to build it as a real plugin?
[17:38] <fta> chrisccoulson, there are 1 or 2 sample plugins doing nothing that are built but that i don't ship in the debs
[17:43] <fta> ok, committed the new version
[17:44] <fta> i still need to see a real bug report using it :P
[17:45] <fta> also, i'm far from sure it works down to hardy
[17:45] <fta> the apport api seems to be moving quite fast
[17:51] <fta> chrisccoulson, do you have a hardy setup at hand? (to test the hooks)
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i have a hardy VM here
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i can test that in 20 minutes or so if that's ok?
[17:51] <fta> sure
[19:51] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: ping
[19:51] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, pong
[19:52] <BUGabundo> what do you need to check on gwibber?
[19:52] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.33.0~bzr864-0ubuntu1~daily1
[19:52] <BUGabundo> on Maverick 64bits
[19:54] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: ^^^^
[19:54] <kenvandine> logs
[19:54] <kenvandine> and what isn't working
[19:54] <BUGabundo> no timeline updates
[19:55] <BUGabundo> what logs you need? runtime debug?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> one $ gwibber-service -d -o coming right up
[19:56] <kenvandine> ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log
[19:56] <kenvandine> so none of your services are updating?
[19:57] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log
[19:57] <BUGabundo> uploading a 3MB file
[19:57] <BUGabundo> Gwibber Dispatcher: DEBUG    <twitter:responses> Performing operation
[19:57] <BUGabundo> Gwibber Dispatcher: DEBUG    <twitter:lists> Adding record
[19:57] <BUGabundo> Gwibber Dispatcher: DEBUG    <twitter:lists> Finished operation
[19:57] <BUGabundo> Gwibber Dispatcher: ERROR    Twitter failure - {u'favorited': False, u'contribu
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I only see a bunch of this
[19:59] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/497182/
[19:59] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: all timelines have been stalled for 3 days
[20:01] <kenvandine> interesting... are you using RTL?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> not afaik
[20:01] <BUGabundo> but my lang system seems to be wacky
[20:02] <BUGabundo> could be related
[20:03] <kenvandine> oh
[20:03] <kenvandine> interesting
[20:03] <BUGabundo> what is ?
[20:03] <kenvandine> so it is seeing content of a message as being RTL
[20:03] <kenvandine> and causing a traceback
[20:03]  * BUGabundo reinstalls lang packs and tries to fix _something_
[20:04] <kenvandine> which is aborting the message
[20:04] <kenvandine> no... not that
[20:04] <kenvandine> seems content related
[20:04] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:04] <BUGabundo> from some user?
[20:04] <BUGabundo> yes. a friend posted some hacky encoded chars the other day
[20:04] <BUGabundo> broke a few apps
[20:04] <BUGabundo> let me get his timeline
[20:05] <kenvandine> well i think this exposed a bug in gwibber, of course :)
[20:05] <kenvandine> which is GREAT
[20:05] <BUGabundo> http://twitter.com/hcarrega/status/24882953041
[20:05] <kenvandine> i would never see it
[20:05] <fta> mdeslaur, 6 times the same email for USN-989-1??
[20:05] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: that's why I'm talking to you :P
[20:06] <BUGabundo> need it filed ?
[20:06] <mdeslaur> fta: I didn't send it 6 times...your mail server is going haywire
[20:06] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, please file the bug
[20:06] <BUGabundo> ahah
[20:06] <kenvandine> i am trying to fix now... but would be good to track it
[20:06] <BUGabundo> what do you need me to write on it ?
[20:07] <kenvandine> failing to finish a refresh
[20:07] <kenvandine> post the log as  the output
[20:07] <kenvandine> and put this traceback in the content
[20:07] <kenvandine> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:07] <kenvandine>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gwibber/microblog/dispatcher.py", line 92, in perform_operation
[20:07] <kenvandine>     m["rtl"] = util.isRTL(re.sub(text_cleaner, "", m["text"].decode('utf-8')))
[20:07] <kenvandine> KeyError: 'text'
[20:08] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/643784
[20:08] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 643784 in gwibber "failing to finish a refresh (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:08] <fta> mdeslaur, nope, just checked, the issue is somewhere inside google
[20:09] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: done
[20:09] <mdeslaur> fta: ok
[20:10] <fta> (i use my gmail address for those announces with a redirect to my own mail farm)
[20:10] <fta> 1st time it happened in years
[20:16] <fta> jdstrand, it seems that if no one asks for chromium to be explicitly on the agenda of the next t-b meeting, nothing will happen
[20:17] <fta> maybe it's a lost cause, like in debian
[20:17] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, thx
[20:17] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: my pleasure
[20:17] <BUGabundo> gwibber may suck, but I still find it useful :p
[20:17] <kenvandine> :)
[20:17] <kenvandine> lets make it not suck :)
[20:18] <BUGabundo> what? you gonna make it use <40MBs of ram? instead of 400?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> use realtime?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> upload pics?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> support lists?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> shall I continue ? ahah
[20:18] <BUGabundo> I'll be happy if it just works, right now
[20:18] <kenvandine> lists work
[20:19] <kenvandine> upload pics... i am anxious for
[20:19] <BUGabundo> its the only tool that can list my mentions from all networks
[20:19] <BUGabundo> and show notifications of my timelines
[20:19] <kenvandine> realtime stuff from twitter will work in 3.0
[20:19] <kenvandine> gwibber-service is using 26M for me... the client... we need to ditch webkit to make it smaller
[20:19] <kenvandine> which hopefully will happen next cycle
[20:20] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: and statusnet... also has RT support
[20:20] <BUGabundo> RT = realtime
[20:20] <kenvandine> it does?
[20:20] <BUGabundo> ofc
[20:20] <kenvandine> i had heard they were working on it
[20:20] <kenvandine> that is ryan's area :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> 25756  72088     68       2151K 648.3M 131.5M 648.3M 131.5M   3% gwibber
[20:21] <BUGabundo> that's not 26MBs
[20:21] <kenvandine> that isn't gwibber-service
[20:21] <kenvandine> the client needs to ditch webkit to get smaller
[20:21] <BUGabundo> 24915  71322     31       2151K 405.6M 38004K 405.6M 38004K   1% gwibber-servic
[20:22] <kenvandine> for me the client is using 119M of RSS
[20:22] <kenvandine> yeah, 38M that is acceptable
[20:22] <BUGabundo> wth
[20:22] <BUGabundo> all of the sudden gwibber started working :S
[20:22] <kenvandine> although not sure why your's is that much more than mine...
[20:23] <kenvandine> my 26M of RSS includes facebook, twitter, statusnet, identica, foursquare, greader, and flickr accounts
[20:23] <kenvandine> :)
[20:23] <BUGabundo> HUGE logs/DBs?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> one identica, one statusnet, two twitter
[20:23] <kenvandine> nah, that shouldn't affect that
[20:24] <kenvandine> actually... maybe all those failures you have
[20:24] <BUGabundo> and its pretty recent
[20:24] <BUGabundo> maybe 1 month old
[20:24] <kenvandine> there might some lists that aren't getting freed
[20:24] <kenvandine> since they don't get inserted in the db
[20:24] <BUGabundo> bbl, dinner
[20:25] <kenvandine> later
[20:41] <fta> kenvandine, greader in gwibber? really? how does it look like?
[20:46] <kenvandine> fta, not great yet
[20:46] <kenvandine> i am experimenting with a branch someone else is maintaining
[20:46] <kenvandine> basically new feed entries appear in the message stream
[20:47] <kenvandine> i think they need to be separated, they don't feel "right" there imho
[20:49] <fta> well, 140 char lines mixed with pages long articles, often with pictures and videos
[20:50] <fta> weird idea
[20:50] <fta> tweeter feeds into greader look weird too
[20:50] <fta> i have one, it's plain ugly
[21:50] <fta> micahg, 9 days :(  https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/dev/+packages
[21:50] <fta> it keeps being pushed forward
[21:53] <micahg> fta: that's weird
[21:55] <micahg> fta: the build has been scored down :(
[21:55] <fta> ??
[21:55] <micahg> Start in 8 hours             (2455)
[21:55] <fta> why? they are no different from my other builds
[21:55] <micahg> should be 2505
[21:55] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[21:56] <micahg> ask in LP if someone scored the PPA down
[21:57] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: look at http://seesmic.com/web/
[21:57] <BUGabundo> they know how to make it look great
[21:57] <fta> micahg, there's no longer listening to me there :(
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I would use it, if it supported statusnet
[21:58] <BUGabundo> they do on the desktop app, but it runs on silverlight (blerg)
[21:58] <micahg> fta: I'll try asking later tonight
[21:58] <fta> micahg, i'm not doing all that for myself, i'm doing it for the community. if it was only me, the dailies would be enough
[21:59] <micahg> fta: I know, I'll see if someone scored it lower
[21:59] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: if you have 30 mins, ping me back. I have something I want to run by you
[21:59] <fta> BUGabundo, shame! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ChromiumDesktop
[22:22] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, humm... so what is it that seesmic web does right that gwibber doesn't
[22:22] <kenvandine> it actually seems pretty similar
[22:23] <BUGabundo> buzz and greader
[22:23] <kenvandine> i don't see greader in there
[22:23] <kenvandine> how do i add that?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> its on the Desktop version
[22:24] <BUGabundo> not web
[22:24] <kenvandine> oh
[22:24] <kenvandine> ok
[22:24] <BUGabundo> but what I wanted to ask you was
[22:25] <BUGabundo> if you could use some of the know how of gwibber, and make an android app, to use with web.pond.pt
[22:25] <BUGabundo> there's the API http://web.pond.pt/home?action=dev
[22:25] <kenvandine> they say they have an android app
[22:26] <kenvandine> i hadn't seen pond before
[22:27] <BUGabundo> the app sucks
[22:27] <BUGabundo> doesn't do a basic think like filter read items, like full web does
[22:27] <BUGabundo> and the api has support for it
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I've contacted the team several times, requesting just that
[22:27] <BUGabundo> and been ignored so far :(
[22:30] <kenvandine> i wouldn't be of any help to get an android client done and gwibber isn't really suited for a phone yet
[22:31] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, how rich is pond's service as it relates to supporting service features?
[22:31] <kenvandine> like facebook and stuff
[22:31] <BUGabundo> fb, twitte, flickr, and a few others
[22:31] <BUGabundo> but they have a unique feature I would love twitter/SN had natively
[22:31] <BUGabundo> read/unread state of notices
[22:32] <kenvandine> that is something i want to do in gwibber too
[22:32] <BUGabundo> we can't ever browse older entries in gwibber
[22:32] <BUGabundo> and gwibber is a desktop app
[22:32] <kenvandine> but like facebook... posting of images, etc
[22:32] <BUGabundo> this is a web service
[22:32] <kenvandine> all works ok?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> don't have a prob with it
[22:33] <BUGabundo> but their android app is very week
[22:33] <kenvandine> we won't track all messages, but any message gwibber has downloaded i want to track if it is been seen
[22:34] <kenvandine> i also want to "star" or tag them somehow
[22:36] <kenvandine> which doesn't necessarily change any status on a server... so not super persistent
[22:36] <kenvandine> but on the client, you could have a way to always display starred messages
[22:36] <kenvandine> or something
[22:36] <kenvandine> so you can go back to them later when you have time or whatever
[22:37] <kenvandine> kind of like a save for later
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I only use gwibber on this laptop
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I use 3 other PCs, and my android
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I need a _cloud_ something :\
[22:38] <kenvandine> sure... not the average user :)
[22:39] <kenvandine> it would be nice if we had a way to do that in the cloud universally without yet another web service to complicate life
[22:39] <BUGabundo> we do
[22:39] <BUGabundo> ubuntu one ?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> google app engine LOL
[22:40] <kenvandine> my goal is much simpler, just let you tag a message that looks interesting so you can go back in a bit to read it
[22:40] <kenvandine> doesn't need to be long lived
[22:40] <kenvandine> ubuntu one could be cool
[22:40] <kenvandine> but a lot of work :)
[22:41] <kenvandine> we need to focus on solving the 95% case first... and doing it well :)
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you think we should just re-use the former source package name for lightning (lightning-sunbird)?
[23:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if I didn't I wouldn't have wanted it dropped from Lucid ;)
[23:47] <micahg> *did
[23:47] <micahg> which was probably a mistake in retrospect
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> do you think lightning-calendar is ok?
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> or lightning-extension?
[23:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's what I was thinking, or lightning-calendar
[23:49] <micahg> lightning-extension is the current package, so maybe that
[23:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can use that
[23:49] <micahg> but the binary should probably be xul-ext-lightning-calendar or something to that effect
[23:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've taken care of that already
[23:50] <micahg> whatever the conventions are
[23:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you tell I haven't had a chance to look at it yet?
[23:50] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[23:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so I want to file an AA bug once it's in to add it to the mozilla packageset as well as the gnome-pm extension, and drop miro does that sound ok?
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that should be fine