[00:38] <strycore> Yo gentlemen
[00:39] <strycore> is it just me or the latest xorg update in Maverick has brought total chaos to mouse input in many full screen games ?
[00:40] <strycore> I've got 2 examples right now, but i'm sure i could find many more
[00:41] <strycore> Quake running with DarkPlaces SDL, the mouse behaves as if there was a 'lookspring' option activated , DarkPlaces GLX behaves normally
[00:43] <strycore> Half-Life  1 in Wine, i can't look down with the mouse as if the mouse was on an infinite upward motion, with virtual desktop activated everything is ok  
[00:44] <strycore> so what's wrong with Xinput ?
[12:57] <nigelb> 45
[18:20] <ScottK> Sarvatt: kwin is now blacklisting swrast successfully.  Thanks for the feedback.
[19:37] <coafcv> How can I figure out which driver my graphic card is using? I've installed like a dozen different drivers, none really worked well, and after I gave up hope, it suddenly works, perfectly and even better than before, but I have no idea which driver I have right now. How can I figure this out?
[19:37] <coafcv> (I'm using an ATI HD 4850)
[19:37] <bryceh> it says in your Xorg.0.log
[19:40] <coafcv> bryceh: ok, but which part? the file is pretty big and it lists a lot of different files.
[19:41] <bryceh> coafcv, about 4/5ths of the lines in the file say it
[19:42] <coafcv> hmm... there's RADEON in front of some lines. is this the driver name?
[19:42] <bryceh> yes
[19:42] <coafcv> oh ok. and which is it? the one ubuntu ships via administration => hardware drivers, or the one you download from ATI?
[19:43] <coafcv> I'm not really sure what RADEON means here...
[19:44] <JanC> RADEON is the open source driver
[19:44] <coafcv> JanC: so it's neither the official ATI one, nor the one in admin => hardware drivers? 
[19:45] <JanC> the one in hardware drivers is the official AMD/ATI one
[19:45] <coafcv> oh
[19:45] <JanC> not sure about the 4850, but my 4350 isn't supported by the official driver anymore
[19:46] <JanC> in that case you get the open source one...
[19:46] <coafcv> do you have any idea how the open source RADEON driver could have gotten installed if I only have explicitly installed the official ATI drivers?
[19:46] <JanC> they are part of Xorg, so installed by default
[19:47] <coafcv> it's a big mystery to me, since in Ubuntu versions < 10.04.1 I had to install official ATI drivers to get 3D effects, but no it works just fine with RADEON.
[19:47] <coafcv> and even better. 
[19:47] <JanC> ☺
[19:48] <JanC> before 10.04 the radeon driver didn't have 3D support for Radeon HD 4xxx
[19:49] <JanC> but now that the open source drivers are getting better, I think AMD doesn't want to keep them in their closed source driver
[19:49] <coafcv> oh :-) well, I should have known that before. After I freshly installed 10.04 a few days ago, I immediately activated the official ATI drivers not knowing that radeon would suffice. the ATI drivers crashes my system regularly. 
[19:50] <coafcv> I could watch movies for like a few minutes, and then it just froze. very frustrating.
[19:50] <JanC> coafcv: AMD has been providing specifications for their hardware, and AFAIK they also have a couple of developers working on the open source drivers now
[19:50] <coafcv> that's good news. finally AMD got a clue.
[19:50] <JanC> they have been doing that for a couple of years actually ;)
[19:50] <coafcv> oh, heh
[19:51] <coafcv> one question though: after Kernel updates on old Ubuntu versions, I had to regularly re-install the official ATI drivers. Somehow advancing to a newer kernel messed up the ATI drivers. is the same bound to happen with radeon or can I safely switch to newer kernels without having to recompile/reinstall?
[19:53] <JanC> the kernel part of the drivers has to be re-compiled for every kernel version, but of course the open source drivers are part of the official kernel  ☺
[19:53] <JanC> open source drivers makes things a lot easier  ☺
[19:54] <coafcv> ah, but Ubuntu makes this automatically and it just works (TM)?
[19:55] <JanC> for the open source driver, it's automatic in every kernel, for the ATI closed source driver the Ubuntu kernel developers do the work for you, if you compile your own drivers you have to do it yourself every time
[19:56] <JanC> and as your card is probably not supported anymore by the official AMD/ATI drivers, no point in installing them anymore
[19:58] <coafcv> I see :) will the open source drivers support my card "forever"?
[19:58] <JanC> forever is a very long time  ;)
[19:58] <coafcv> that's why it's in quotes. :p
[19:58] <coafcv> I mean, for the duration 10.04.1 is supported
[19:59] <coafcv> so, until April 2013.
[19:59] <bryceh> coafcv, there are no plans to drop support for any hardware
[19:59] <bryceh> for the open source radeon driver
[19:59] <JanC> http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon says "Driver for ATI/AMD Radeon based video chips, everything from Radeon 7000 to Radeon HD 5890 series."
[19:59] <bryceh> indeed, it still includes support for R100 cards, which are pretty ancient
[19:59] <JanC> and that Radeon 7000 is pretty old  ;)
[19:59] <coafcv> ok good :)
[20:00] <bryceh> pretty much all the stuff you had to hassle with fglrx you no longer need to worry about
[20:00] <coafcv> :)
[20:00] <coafcv> many, many thanks for all the info and support.
[20:00] <bryceh> you can basically forget about X and go about your business now (unless you want to help make X better *grin*)
[20:00] <coafcv> :)
[20:01] <bryceh> I'm really happy with the radeon driver, it tends to be quite robust and well developed and rarely seems to have regressions
[20:01] <bryceh> <knock on wood>
[20:01] <JanC> yeah, has been running very well on my HD 4350 since Lucid
[20:03] <coafcv> btw, does X also handle printers or is this a different realm? because ubuntu detects my printer, tries to install a plug-in for it, says the installation failed, but the printer works. thing is, the "do you want to install the plug-in"-window pops up at every restart and it bothers me a bit.
[20:03] <JanC> printers is CUPS
[20:04] <coafcv> oh ok
[20:06] <coafcv> going to restart, thanks again.
[23:24] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, are we getting the newest blob into the x-updates ppa or what's the deal?