| Anom01y | hi, I am having a problem where Xubuntu crashes, but I can still use the mouse | 03:36 |
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| Anom01y | the mouse arrow still moves around the screen, but the menu's icons, ctrl-alt-f1, alt-f2, and everything else doesn't work | 03:37 |
| Anom01y | the only way to fix this is to unplug the power cord because the power button at the front doesn't even work | 03:37 |
| well_laid_lawn | Anom01y: if you hold the power button in for five secs the comp will shutdown | 04:53 |
| FusionX | Can anyone help me with this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1577543 I've been trying to get help for days but i've got no help yet. Help Me plz i'm stuck! | 11:51 |
| Sysi | "don't use wubi" | 11:53 |
| FusionX | :/ | 11:59 |
| FusionX | i use wubi on my desktop and a dedicated partition on my laptop for ubuntu | 11:59 |
| knome | FusionX, did you test the live cd as i suggested? | 12:25 |
| FusionX | yes worked fine | 12:25 |
| FusionX | but it was a little slow | 12:25 |
| knome | FusionX, "don't use wubi" | 12:25 |
| FusionX | " i use wubi on my desktop and a dedicated partition on my laptop for ubuntu" | 12:26 |
| FusionX | i can't partition my C: drive | 12:26 |
| knome | FusionX, yes, but the fix for your problem is not using wubi | 12:26 |
| FusionX | knome: the problem is that i have a 4 GB pendrive in which i can install xubuntu but my BIOS is old and doesn't support booting with USB | 12:27 |
| FusionX | and i don't want to partition my C: drive | 12:27 |
| FusionX | there should be a solution i think | 12:28 |
| knome | FusionX, if it's important and you necessarily do not want to partition you HD, you can create a grub cd which can load usb drivers and then boot with your usb stick | 12:28 |
| knome | there is no tutorial for that afaik, but that's doable | 12:28 |
| FusionX | doable? | 12:29 |
| knome | "you can do it" | 12:29 |
| FusionX | im a linux newbie so i might mess up the hard disk | 12:29 |
| Sysi | i'd rather cut partition to xubuntu than do that | 12:29 |
| FusionX | like last time when i tried installing ubuntu on my laptop i messed up the windows bootloader | 12:29 |
| knome | me too, it's not nice to boot a cd to be able to boot a usb stick | 12:30 |
| FusionX | knome : will it affect the performance? | 12:30 |
| knome | FusionX, no, the os is still run from the usb disk | 12:30 |
| knome | FusionX, the grub cd is there only to load the usb drivers so you can "boot" from usb even if you bios did not support that | 12:31 |
| knome | *your | 12:31 |
| FusionX | ik but loading the drivers from a "cd" could affect the performance. i'm not sure tho ?_? | 12:31 |
| FusionX | knome if there's any tutorial for how to do it can u plz link it to me? | 12:32 |
| knome | maybe a bit, and the boot would be slower, yes | 12:32 |
| knome | FusionX, as i said, there is no tutorial for that afaik | 12:32 |
| knome | FusionX, and it's not for "newbies" either | 12:32 |
| FusionX | :[ | 12:32 |
| knome | FusionX, you will have to know what you are doing | 12:32 |
| knome | FusionX, those are your options. | 12:32 |
| FusionX | i may give it a try though, i'm not so much of a noob | 12:33 |
| knome | them you might as well repartition the drive, really | 12:33 |
| knome | that is the best and suggested and should be the preferred way | 12:34 |
| FusionX | knome : but currently as a solution it will help but there should be a solution to fix the error with wubi | 12:34 |
| knome | there is masses of tutorials for HD repartitioning | 12:34 |
| knome | FusionX, file a bug and wait N days. | 12:34 |
| FusionX | ok | 12:35 |
| FusionX | thanks alot knome! | 12:35 |
| knome | FusionX, np. good luck. | 12:35 |
| jrmy | im confused why menu editor is installed when it says "an implementaion of the freedesktop specification for gnome" | 12:42 |
| jrmy | i have xubuntu | 12:43 |
| jrmy | !pure xubuntu | 12:45 |
| jrmy | !purexubuntu | 12:46 |
| Sysi | xubuntu menu is freedesktop compatible | 12:46 |
| Sysi | (/msg ubottu purexfce) | 12:46 |
| jrmy | so is it suppose to come with xfce? | 12:47 |
| jrmy | or whatever xubuntu is suppose to be | 12:47 |
| jrmy | !purexfce | 12:47 |
| ubottu | If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » | 12:47 |
| jrmy | ok so i guess its suppose to be there | 12:49 |
| jrmy | im just confused about it | 12:49 |
| jrmy | does xfce still rely on gnome? | 12:52 |
| Sysi | what do you mean? | 12:53 |
| jrmy | why does it have a gnome system monitor? | 12:53 |
| Sysi | xfce devs think it's cool? | 12:53 |
| Sysi | *xubuntu | 12:53 |
| Sysi | not xfce | 12:53 |
| * jrmy is so confused | 12:53 | |
| jrmy | right when i think ive figured it out i realized i havent | 12:54 |
| Sysi | xubuntu developers decide what programs come with xubuntu, some of them have gnome dependencies | 12:54 |
| Sysi | xfce programs shouldn't have | 12:54 |
| jrmy | ok | 12:55 |
| Sysi | xfce is xfce4+xfce4-goodies, xubuntu-desktop is more | 12:55 |
| jrmy | well i just wanted something light weight seeing as my laptop has low mem | 12:57 |
| Sysi | how much? | 12:57 |
| jrmy | 256MB + 128MB | 12:57 |
| jrmy | i wonder if the memory is good | 12:57 |
| jrmy | i havent tested them yet | 12:57 |
| jrmy | hope not | 12:58 |
| Sysi | that "minimal xubuntu" might run ok | 12:58 |
| Sysi | if you don't have chromium with hundred tabs | 12:58 |
| jrmy | wait that slows it down :O | 12:59 |
| jrmy | lol jk | 12:59 |
| jrmy | what is chromium btw ive only used fire fox | 12:59 |
| Sysi | browser | 13:01 |
| jrmy | that would be obvious | 13:01 |
| jrmy | what makes it chromium | 13:01 |
| Sysi | !chromium | 13:01 |
| ubottu | You can get testing builds for Chromium at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa | 13:01 |
| Sysi | !info chromium | 13:02 |
| ubottu | chromium (source: chromium-bsu): transitional dummy package for chromium-bsu. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.14-1 (lucid), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB | 13:02 |
| Sysi | !info chromium-browser | 13:02 |
| ubottu | chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.0.472.53~r57914-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 (lucid), package size 12546 kB, installed size 42252 kB | 13:02 |
| jrmy | whats the difference with google chrome? | 13:06 |
| jrmy | is chromium just as fast? | 13:06 |
| Sysi | open source | 13:07 |
| jrmy | would you recommend it over firefox? | 13:08 |
| knome | i don't think that either chromium or firefox would be the best browser for lwer-end pc's | 13:09 |
| jrmy | well if its just as nice as firefox but actually lets me watch video without lag then sure i'll take that browser | 13:10 |
| knome | probably not. | 13:10 |
| jrmy | its kinda sad when youtube lags | 13:11 |
| jrmy | even though it has nothing to do with my download rate | 13:11 |
| jrmy | i can have the whole video downloaded yet it still lags | 13:11 |
| Sysi | flash vs html5? | 13:12 |
| jrmy | what now? | 13:12 |
| jrmy | what is html5? | 13:12 |
| Sysi | ..alternative for flash, works well on chromium, not taht well on FF, better on linux than flash | 13:13 |
| jrmy | hmm... | 13:14 |
| jrmy | ok | 13:14 |
| jrmy | i wonder if i can get a laptop for $500 with a 512MB graphics card | 13:15 |
| knome | probably yes | 13:15 |
| jrmy | im confused why computers are made with gigs for video when most games only need 512 at max | 13:16 |
| jrmy | only game i know that has 512 as a requirement is starcraft2 | 13:17 |
| jrmy | and i dont think ill be playinhg that anyways, dont care for rts as much | 13:17 |
| jrmy | that and more then a dual core | 13:17 |
| knome | #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support talk please | 13:17 |
| jrmy | oh... | 13:18 |
| jrmy | sorry | 13:18 |
| knome | no problem | 13:18 |
| Sysi | (requirements for maximum vs. minimum and today vs. tomorrow) | 13:18 |
| knome | Sysi, grr :P | 13:18 |
| jrmy | fine i wont add a comment to that | 13:19 |
| jrmy | i dont liek the image viewer that comes with xubuntu. is the one that comes with ubuntu bulky? i think i like that one more | 13:21 |
| jrmy | risterro i think its called doesnt show GIF images very well | 13:22 |
| jrmy | and how do i make a new image viewer the default? | 13:23 |
| jrmy | ok its called ristretto | 13:25 |
| jrmy | i'd use it but there is no obvious way to rotate images and change to the next without having to use the mouse | 13:26 |
| Sysi | space and in menu is | 13:28 |
| jrmy | what? | 13:28 |
| Sysi | space switches to next | 13:28 |
| jrmy | oh | 13:28 |
| Sysi | i've rotated images from menu | 13:28 |
| jrmy | ok | 13:28 |
| jrmy | well only if it didnt have problems with gif | 13:29 |
| Sysi | you can try ubuntu's one, idk what it is | 13:29 |
| jrmy | yeah i cant remember either | 13:29 |
| ubuXubu_ | i had lucid for about 2 weeks and had to reinstall due to panels that would not stick no matter what? | 14:09 |
| ubuXubu_ | noone anywhere could give me a solution...none of the terminal command stuck. | 14:10 |
| ubuXubu_ | so i reinstalled and this time tried ext3 | 14:10 |
| ubuXubu_ | i cant believe it | 14:10 |
| knome | does it work now then? | 14:12 |
| ubuXubu_ | well i just reinstalle dyesterday | 14:13 |
| ubuXubu_ | so far so good | 14:14 |
| knome | okay. hard to say what went wrong since you are not running the broken system anymore. | 14:14 |
| ubuXubu_ | wut a nightmare | 14:14 |
| knome | yes, there are bumps sometimes.. | 14:14 |
| knome | like when traveling with airplane | 14:14 |
| ubuXubu_ | the terminal commands worked until i rebooted | 14:14 |
| knome | as i said earlier, it's probably just about the panel not being in the session | 14:15 |
| knome | for reason or another | 14:15 |
| ubuXubu_ | i did read this whole ext4 thing may be a big pipe dream too in the ubuntu | 14:15 |
| ubuXubu_ | it was sluggish | 14:16 |
| ubuXubu_ | and quirky, just weird overall | 14:16 |
| ubuXubu_ | im not gonna mess wit hthe TI driver anymore either | 14:17 |
| ubuXubu_ | ati driver* | 14:17 |
| ubuXubu_ | so hows it goin knome its me balsaq using my new nick specially formulated for when im in a buntu channel | 14:19 |
| knome | well, it's okay. there's going to be a new theme in maverick, called bluebird | 14:19 |
| ubuXubu_ | 1010 already huh | 14:19 |
| knome | http://shimmerproject.org/projects/bluebird/ | 14:19 |
| ubuXubu_ | cool, do i dare install 1010 on one of my computers? | 14:21 |
| ubuXubu_ | i dont want the entire desktop to disappear! | 14:21 |
| ubuXubu_ | gotta a good feeling bout ole ext3 though...feels like home again. | 14:22 |
| ubuXubu_ | i meant gnomes | 14:23 |
| nicofs | hi there... i want to mount an *.iso-file but it doesn't work... help... http://pastebin.org/986278 | 17:02 |
| well_laid_lawn | !iso | 17:04 |
| ubottu | To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. | 17:04 |
| well_laid_lawn | leave out the -t bit | 17:05 |
| nicofs | well_laid_lawn: "you must specify the filesystem type"... | 17:06 |
| well_laid_lawn | does mount return that? | 17:06 |
| nicofs | yes | 17:06 |
| well_laid_lawn | lemme check it here | 17:07 |
| well_laid_lawn | works fine here without the -t | 17:09 |
| nicofs | http://pastebin.org/986515 - both versions.... | 17:09 |
| well_laid_lawn | run dmesg in terminal - does it say the iso is 9660 - should be the last line | 17:10 |
| nicofs | http://pastebin.org/986517 | 17:12 |
| well_laid_lawn | try making a new folder in mnt to do this - sudo mkdir -v /mnt/something | 17:15 |
| nicofs | no change... | 17:16 |
| well_laid_lawn | k - for some reason mount thinks the fat file system is involved | 17:17 |
| well_laid_lawn | line 13 - VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop0. | 17:18 |
| well_laid_lawn | seems like a bad iso perhaps | 17:18 |
| well_laid_lawn | try file /home/nicofs/Games/install/nfshs/nfs.iso | 17:19 |
| well_laid_lawn | in terminal | 17:19 |
| nicofs | "data" | 17:19 |
| ochosi | anybody here that | 17:20 |
| ochosi | 's on maverick? | 17:20 |
| well_laid_lawn | nicofs: I get ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data from file | 17:21 |
| well_laid_lawn | !maverick | 17:21 |
| ubottu | Maverick Meerkat is the codename for Ubuntu 10.10, due October 2010 - Maverick is NOT released and NOT Stable, discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 | 17:21 |
| well_laid_lawn | ochosi: ^^ | 17:21 |
| nicofs | so presumably the *.iso is corrupted... | 17:22 |
| well_laid_lawn | seems so | 17:22 |
| well_laid_lawn | nicofs: any reason that the fat file system would be involved? | 17:22 |
| ochosi | well_laid_lawn: what exactly are you insinuating? i know what maverick is... | 17:22 |
| well_laid_lawn | discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 | 17:23 |
| well_laid_lawn | ochosi: ^^ | 17:23 |
| well_laid_lawn | was saying it straight out | 17:23 |
| nicofs | well_laid_lawn: well... i converted a *.cue to *.iso in windows... maybe the resulting iso works just there... | 17:23 |
| ochosi | well_laid_lawn: i'm not sure whether joining an overcrowded channel of mostly ubuntu users asking for xubuntu-users experience is a good idea | 17:24 |
| well_laid_lawn | ochosi: you don't seem too bright - I'll put you on ignore then :] | 17:25 |
| well_laid_lawn | nicofs: afaik it should be fine anywhere if it was made right... | 17:26 |
| nicofs | hmm... thanks anyway... no time and energy to solve that now... | 17:29 |
| well_laid_lawn | k :] | 17:29 |
| jose__ | can someone help me with this error when playin dvd's--x11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)-- please thanks.. | 19:18 |
| FusionX | knome: i fixed my problem, actually the problem was -> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9819880#post9819880 | 19:21 |
| FusionX | but dammit i already uninstalled it | 19:24 |
| FusionX | >:/ | 19:24 |
| jose__ | what problem did you have? | 19:25 |
| FusionX | jose__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9867153#post9867153 | 19:28 |
| jose__ | thx.. ill check it out | 19:28 |
| jrmy | so who knows how to make shortcut keys for volume up down and mute? | 19:38 |
| jrmy | since switching to xubuntu i have no idea how to do so | 19:39 |
| charlie-tca | You set the shortcut in settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | Do have the keys on your keyboard? | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | Down volume - aumix -v-10 ; Up volume - aumix -v+10 ; Mute - aumix -v0 | 19:41 |
| charlie-tca | are the settings I use | 19:42 |
| Sysi | i think xubuntu default is: amixer set Master/PCM 10% | 19:42 |
| Sysi | 10%+/- | 19:43 |
| jrmy | charlie-tca: i have it where i push Fn then pgup, pgdn, and home | 19:46 |
| jrmy | but they dont work normally so i'd want to create the short cuts | 19:46 |
| jrmy | ok so how do i add a nex shortcut for the command of volume up, down, and mute? | 19:48 |
| jrmy | new* | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | <charlie-tca> You set the shortcut in settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard | 19:56 |
| charlie-tca | Application shorcuts tab | 19:56 |
| jrmy | ok so volume up down and mute are applications? | 20:00 |
| jrmy | i need to know the commands for each of theses | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | <charlie-tca> Down volume - aumix -v-10 ; Up volume - aumix -v+10 ; Mute - aumix -v0 | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | For Down volume, the shortcut would be aumix -v -10 | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | The key you are adding is the key on your own keyboard that is used "For Down volume" | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | aumix is the app | 20:05 |
| jrmy | ok so when i type in the command to add it do i include the spaces? | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 20:06 |
| jrmy | ok | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | oh, no space after the -v | 20:06 |
| jrmy | ok i didnt do that | 20:07 |
| jrmy | ok so if i wanted to have it increase slower or faster with the volume up and down i'd just change the number, correct? | 20:09 |
| jrmy | or decrease* | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | correct | 20:11 |
| jrmy | ok | 20:12 |
| jrmy | thanks | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 20:17 |
| jrmy | is there a xfce music player? | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | exaile | 20:35 |
| jrmy | thats it? | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | That's it. What's wrong with it? | 20:36 |
| jrmy | dont know how to get it to play spc files nor does it minimize to the system tray | 20:37 |
| residentgrey | vlc ftw too bad none of the skins ever work right | 20:37 |
| jrmy | other then that nothing | 20:37 |
| charlie-tca | um, goto Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance, Show tray icon is not checked by default, afair | 20:38 |
| jrmy | first i have to reinstall it | 20:38 |
| charlie-tca | It should be installed by default in Xubuntu | 20:39 |
| jrmy | but i dont know how to make it use the spc library | 20:39 |
| jrmy | i uninstalled it | 20:39 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know spc | 20:39 |
| jrmy | its the native of the snes | 20:39 |
| jrmy | theyre sorta liek awesome midi | 20:39 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe use vlc for them? | 20:39 |
| charlie-tca | or install rythmbox? | 20:40 |
| jrmy | i guess rhythmbox coudl work too | 20:40 |
| jrmy | could* | 20:40 |
| jrmy | does vlc minimize to the tray? | 20:40 |
| jrmy | vlc plays video as well right? | 20:40 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 20:41 |
| residentgrey | yes | 20:41 |
| jrmy | if so why have 2 different media players when i could just use one and save space | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know if it minimizes to the tray | 20:41 |
| residentgrey | yes | 20:41 |
| residentgrey | i use it everyday | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | I use vlc for dvd's and exaile for everything else. Exaile is just much easier for me | 20:42 |
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| freaky[t] | hi all. what program should i use for instant messaging ? | 22:43 |
| Dasleah | what protocols do you use | 22:43 |
| freaky[t] | icq and msn | 22:43 |
| Dasleah | MSN, IRC, Google Talk, etcetera | 22:43 |
| Dasleah | well most IM programs for Linux are all-in-one solutions | 22:44 |
| freaky[t] | ok which one is the default for xubuntu? | 22:44 |
| Dasleah | so i guess just have a poke around in the Software Center | 22:44 |
| freaky[t] | is there no default for xubuntu? | 22:44 |
| Dasleah | no idea | 22:44 |
| Dasleah | maybe Empathy? | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | There is pidgin | 22:44 |
| Dasleah | it's the default for Ubuntu | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | default in Xubuntu | 22:44 |
| Dasleah | yeah, pidgin will work fine | 22:45 |
| jrmy | pidgin xubuntu empathy ubuntu | 22:45 |
| freaky[t] | ok thank you all :D | 22:45 |
| jrmy | i think empathy sucks for the most part | 22:45 |
| jrmy | havent tried pidgin | 22:45 |
| Dasleah | it's not very flash for MSN | 22:45 |
| jrmy | but i only used empathy for irc | 22:45 |
| Dasleah | but i mostly use IRC anyway so that's all covered by Xchat2 | 22:45 |
| Dasleah | yeah, empathy sucks for IRC | 22:45 |
| jrmy | xchat is win imo | 22:46 |
| jrmy | what i be usin right now | 22:46 |
| jrmy | i'd use irssi however cause i liek terminal stuff but i dont know how to use it effectively | 22:46 |
| Dasleah | yeah i moved from Konversation to XChat2 and there's no reason for me to go back | 22:46 |
| jrmy | btw xchat2? | 22:46 |
| jrmy | why the 2? | 22:46 |
| Dasleah | because it's the second version? | 22:47 |
| jrmy | oh.. i might be using a latter version | 22:47 |
| Dasleah | latest is 2.8.9 | 22:47 |
| jrmy | didnt know of such things | 22:47 |
| jrmy | i wonder whats different | 22:47 |
| Dasleah | only thing i'm missing in it is graphical emoticons | 22:48 |
| Dasleah | which i think can be added, but i'm too lazy | 22:48 |
| jrmy | never used emoticons | 22:48 |
| jrmy | i think theyre dumb | 22:48 |
| Dasleah | mostly handy for me because i frequent channels with a lot of goons | 22:48 |
| Dasleah | so being able to understand what some of their obscure emoticons are helps ;) | 22:49 |
| freaky[t] | how do i add pidgin to autostart in xubuntu? | 22:49 |
| jrmy | ah | 22:49 |
| jrmy | autostart never used it but i think its easy | 22:49 |
| jrmy | i know how to with gnome | 22:50 |
| jrmy | aka ubutnu | 22:50 |
| freaky[t] | yea | 22:50 |
| jrmy | ubuntu* | 22:50 |
| Dasleah | Settings > Session And Startup | 22:50 |
| Dasleah | Application Autostart tab, then Add if it's not in the list | 22:50 |
| freaky[t] | ok where is "Settings"? | 22:50 |
| jrmy | see like i said | 22:50 |
| jrmy | applications up at top | 22:51 |
| freaky[t] | lol sorry i cant find it in | 22:51 |
| Dasleah | for me it's at the top of the mouse menu | 22:51 |
| jrmy | yeah click it | 22:51 |
| Dasleah | but then i'm running some weird hybrid of Ubuntu and Xubuntu here so things are all over the place | 22:51 |
| jrmy | applications > settings > xfce settings manager | 22:51 |
| freaky[t] | i found it thank you | 22:52 |
| jrmy | lol | 22:52 |
| jrmy | i think i have 10.10 | 22:52 |
| jrmy | or whatever the newest is | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | 10.04 | 22:52 |
| jrmy | oh | 22:52 |
| jrmy | then that | 22:52 |
| Dasleah | don't think 10.10 will be out for another few weeks yet | 22:52 |
| freaky[t] | i have 10.10 aswell | 22:52 |
| jrmy | i used sudo apt install whatever then followed instructions on how to make it pure xubuntu | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | 10.10 should be out on 10/10/2010 | 22:53 |
| Dasleah | date of my wedding | 22:54 |
| jrmy | i definitely see a difference in resource usage between ubuntu and xubuntu | 22:54 |
| Dasleah | oh yeah | 22:54 |
| jrmy | xubuntu only uses half of my ram | 22:55 |
| Dasleah | i'm using about 100-200mb less RAM on average doing the same thing under Xubuntu | 22:55 |
| knome | for non-support talk, please use #xubuntu-offtopic | 22:55 |
| jrmy | ironic since this is about xubuntu | 22:56 |
| jrmy | "xubuntu-offtopic" | 22:56 |
| knome | it's not ironic, this is a support channel | 22:56 |
| Dasleah | with no-one to support right now | 22:56 |
| knome | that doesn't change the thing, really. | 22:57 |
| Dasleah | nofunallowed.jpg then | 22:58 |
| Dasleah | oh well | 22:58 |
| * Dasleah shuts up | 22:58 | |
| jrmy | thats why i talk in my loco channel | 22:58 |
| jrmy | its ubuntu however | 22:58 |
| jrmy | where can i find out about xchat then? | 22:59 |
| jrmy | i'd assume this is an inappropriate place to ask | 23:00 |
| Dasleah | xchat.org | 23:00 |
| Dasleah | or it's in the Software Centre | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | No, this is not an inappropriate place to ask that question | 23:01 |
| knome | xchat is by default in xubuntu so it's not offtopic | 23:01 |
| jrmy | really? | 23:01 |
| jrmy | i did not know that | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | and talk about the amount of ram saved is also appropriate in this channel | 23:01 |
| knome | talk, but not random chatterish thing, imo | 23:02 |
| Dasleah | see i can understand that policy in a high-activity channel, sure | 23:02 |
| Dasleah | but there's like less then 60 people in here and us just chatting friendly about tangential-related things is the most active i've seen it all week | 23:03 |
| jrmy | it all seems relevant imo if it has to do with xubuntu and by doing so gains knowlegde of xubuntu more so | 23:03 |
| jrmy | how is this non-supportive? | 23:04 |
| Dasleah | it's not like if anyone were to ask a support question we'd tell them to bugger off or anything so a little harmless casual chatting doesn't ruin anything | 23:04 |
| knome | the policy is the same for all then channels | 23:04 |
| knome | Dasleah, jrmy: sorry, i was just acting before we went totally offtopic. memory usage conversation is okay, but if it's just casual chatting style, i personally think it's not that valuable/necessary | 23:05 |
| knome | talking about dropping/switching several applications and gaining on memory or tweaking stuff is okay, imo | 23:05 |
| Dasleah | and i think that for an IRC channel of this size and relative low popularity, fostering a friendly community where people can feel they can chat about things that aren't strictly on-topic 100% of the time is valuable / necessary | 23:06 |
| Dasleah | but i can understand where you're coming from | 23:06 |
| jrmy | and at that stand point i dont really want to come here for help | 23:07 |
| jrmy | doesnt come off as friendly | 23:07 |
| knome | i understand your point as well, and some friendly 'hey's are okay really, but from experience, stuff like memory usage and/or tweaking easily goes off-topic | 23:07 |
| jrmy | well dont be suprised if less people come here | 23:08 |
| jrmy | im just one person | 23:08 |
| knome | jrmy, i'm sorry you've had that impression | 23:08 |
| jrmy | but im not sure how other people will take it | 23:08 |
| jrmy | #xchat | 23:09 |
| knome | !guidelines | 23:09 |
| ubottu | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 23:09 |
| knome | jrmy, those guidelines apply all channels, including #xubuntu, and you agree them on joining | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | But those guidelines have always been looser enforced in Xubuntu channels than in Ubuntu channels | 23:09 |
| jrmy | and in both my loco team channel and another ive been in its rarely been that we have to on topic unless a question arises | 23:10 |
| knome | charlie-tca, true, but that doesn't mean we are not following them at all | 23:10 |
| knome | loco channels are not "official channels" | 23:10 |
| knome | or what the term again is... | 23:10 |
| charlie-tca | knome: I saw nothing that far off that guidelines were not being followed "at all". | 23:10 |
| knome | charlie-tca, core channels? | 23:10 |
| jrmy | ok so what is #ubuntu-us-pa and #ubuntu-us-mi? | 23:10 |
| freaky[t] | this damn msn since the beginning it says my email address is not verified and i dont know how i can resend the confirmation eMail | 23:11 |
| jrmy | perhaps i was mislead on loco? | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | !language | freaky[t] | 23:11 |
| ubottu | freaky[t]: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 23:11 |
| knome | jrmy, local community. those channels are exactly loco channels. | 23:11 |
| freaky[t] | sorry | 23:11 |
| knome | jrmy, eg. not core support channels | 23:11 |
| jrmy | oh | 23:11 |
| freaky[t] | im german what should i have said instead? | 23:11 |
| freaky[t] | i know the word you mean | 23:12 |
| knome | freaky[t], leave it out, maybe? | 23:12 |
| freaky[t] | but what with should i have replaced it | 23:12 |
| jrmy | you could of said darn | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | nothing | 23:12 |
| freaky[t] | ok | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | it is not necessary in the sentence. | 23:12 |
| knome | jrmy, that's no better | 23:12 |
| freaky[t] | yes | 23:12 |
| Dasleah | wait, damn is 'bad language', seriously | 23:12 |
| Dasleah | what are we 10 years old | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | msn since the beginning it says my email address is not verified and i dont know how i can resend the confirmation eMail | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | is all that is needed | 23:12 |
| knome | Dasleah, this channel is family friendly | 23:12 |
| Dasleah | it's a perfectly benign expression of frustration | 23:13 |
| knome | Dasleah, that means you should act like there actually WERE 10 year olds in this channel | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | This is a family channel. My 10 year grandson does not need to see that | 23:13 |
| freaky[t] | ok can any of you linux guys help me with MsN? lolol | 23:13 |
| Dasleah | but it's like one of the most non-offensive words possible | 23:13 |
| Dasleah | there are names for colours that invoke more negative connotations | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | Dasleah: It is offensive to many people | 23:14 |
| knome | freaky[t], afaik you'll have to deal that with msn | 23:14 |
| jrmy | although in its proper use it should not be | 23:14 |
| jrmy | and yes pastors use this word | 23:14 |
| knome | freaky[t], maybe login to msn passport or so | 23:14 |
| jrmy | ie damned when you go to hell | 23:15 |
| freaky[t] | knome, where is this passport page? | 23:15 |
| knome | freaky[t], passport.com? please refer to microsoft on this, IM clients do not handle this kind of stuff | 23:15 |
| knome | jrmy, stop right now. | 23:16 |
| freaky[t] | ok thanks | 23:16 |
| jrmy | so that was offensive? | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, for information only! knome and I are both channel ops here. That language will not be tolerated and will result in getting you kicked out | 23:16 |
| jrmy | amazing | 23:16 |
| knome | jrmy, i know that's a proper use when you're in the church, but irc is a bit different - especially as this is a support channel, not a preaching one | 23:16 |
| jrmy | w/e i dont have to come here | 23:17 |
| jrmy | bye | 23:17 |
| charlie-tca | Sorry, knome. I may not always agree, but I will not disagree on offensive issues | 23:17 |
| freaky[t] | lol their page is down | 23:17 |
| knome | charlie-tca, no problem. | 23:17 |
| freaky[t] | i love microsoft </irony> | 23:17 |
| Dasleah | and people wonder why Linux has a reputation for being full of grumpy old neckbeards | 23:17 |
| knome | charlie-tca, always agreeing on anything is not possible, really | 23:18 |
| Dasleah | i'm out | 23:18 |
| knome | being a little tense here tonight, are we? ò.O | 23:18 |
| charlie-tca | apparently, if you can't say everything you want to, it is not worth being here? | 23:19 |
| knome | mmh. don't know. works for me, really | 23:20 |
| freaky[t] | "might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." ... perfect timing ... | 23:20 |
| charlie-tca | I don't mind seeing a little off-topic straying, but I do mind flagrant violations of the guidelines... | 23:20 |
| knome | freaky[t], passport.com works for me | 23:20 |
| freaky[t] | knome, it's just the account management site which seems to be down | 23:21 |
| knome | right... a new try tomorrow, then? | 23:22 |
| freaky[t] | knome, does it work for you? | 23:22 |
| knome | freaky[t], haven't tried and right now, do not have time | 23:22 |
| freaky[t] | ok | 23:23 |
| freaky[t] | ill try again tomorrow then, thank you | 23:23 |
| knome | you're welcome | 23:23 |
| knome | charlie-tca, a little offtopic is okay yeah, but as i said, it easily leads to being more offtopic. i know that happens with me as well. that's why i said sorry to both of them, but apparently they wanted to stick with the attitude against any authority. | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, that is what I saw happen too. | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | I tried not to jump you. I am sorry if it felt like I was. | 23:25 |
| knome | no problem at all. probably good you said that. | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | You know, the one that used the language first dropped it as soon I asked. The other two though... | 23:26 |
| charlie-tca | knome: you gonna be at UDS this time? | 23:27 |
| knome | charlie-tca, nope. | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | hmm, hoped to meet you in person | 23:29 |
| knome | charlie-tca, oh well, didn't apply for sponsorship, and at this time, i don't know if a trip to US would have been possible anyway | 23:30 |
| charlie-tca | ah, I see. I think sometimes we (the US) make it very difficult for people | 23:31 |
| knome | it's kind of far away from here... ;] | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | yes, that it is | 23:31 |
| knome | and without sponsoring, quite expensive | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | I would not expect it without sponsorship | 23:32 |
| knome | mm-hmm. maybe some can do. partial sponsorship from own company or so | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | still expensive | 23:33 |
| knome | it is | 23:33 |
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