[03:36] <Anom01y> hi, I am having a problem where Xubuntu crashes, but I can still use the mouse
[03:37] <Anom01y> the mouse arrow still moves around the screen, but the menu's icons, ctrl-alt-f1, alt-f2, and everything else doesn't work
[03:37] <Anom01y> the only way to fix this is to unplug the power cord because the power button at the front doesn't even work
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> Anom01y:  if you hold the power button in for five secs the comp will shutdown
[11:51] <FusionX> Can anyone help me with this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1577543 I've been trying to get help for days but i've got no help yet. Help Me plz i'm stuck!
[11:53] <Sysi> "don't use wubi"
[11:59] <FusionX> :/
[11:59] <FusionX> i use wubi on my desktop and a dedicated partition on my laptop for ubuntu
[12:25] <knome> FusionX, did you test the live cd as i suggested?
[12:25] <FusionX> yes worked fine
[12:25] <FusionX> but it was a little slow
[12:25] <knome> FusionX, "don't use wubi"
[12:26] <FusionX> " i use wubi on my desktop and a dedicated partition on my laptop for ubuntu"
[12:26] <FusionX> i can't partition my C: drive
[12:26] <knome> FusionX, yes, but the fix for your problem is not using wubi
[12:27] <FusionX> knome: the problem is that i have a 4 GB pendrive in which i can install xubuntu but my BIOS is old and doesn't support booting with USB
[12:27] <FusionX> and i don't want to partition my C: drive
[12:28] <FusionX> there should be a solution i think
[12:28] <knome> FusionX, if it's important and you necessarily do not want to partition you HD, you can create a grub cd which can load usb drivers and then boot with your usb stick
[12:28] <knome> there is no tutorial for that afaik, but that's doable
[12:29] <FusionX> doable?
[12:29] <knome> "you can do it"
[12:29] <FusionX> im a linux newbie so i might mess up the hard disk
[12:29] <Sysi> i'd rather cut partition to xubuntu than do that
[12:29] <FusionX> like last time when i tried installing ubuntu on my laptop i messed up the windows bootloader
[12:30] <knome> me too, it's not nice to boot a cd to be able to boot a usb stick
[12:30] <FusionX> knome : will it affect the performance?
[12:30] <knome> FusionX, no, the os is still run from the usb disk
[12:31] <knome> FusionX, the grub cd is there only to load the usb drivers so you can "boot" from usb even if you bios did not support that
[12:31] <knome> *your
[12:31] <FusionX> ik but loading the drivers from a "cd" could affect the performance. i'm not sure tho ?_?
[12:32] <FusionX> knome if there's any tutorial for how to do it can u plz link it to me?
[12:32] <knome> maybe a bit, and the boot would be slower, yes
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, as i said, there is no tutorial for that afaik
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, and it's not for "newbies" either
[12:32] <FusionX> :[
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, you will have to know what you are doing
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, those are your options.
[12:33] <FusionX> i may give it a try though, i'm not so much of a noob
[12:33] <knome> them you might as well repartition the drive, really
[12:34] <knome> that is the best and suggested and should be the preferred way
[12:34] <FusionX> knome : but currently as a solution it will help but there should be a solution to fix the error with wubi
[12:34] <knome> there is masses of  tutorials for HD repartitioning
[12:34] <knome> FusionX, file a bug and wait N days.
[12:35] <FusionX> ok
[12:35] <FusionX> thanks alot knome!
[12:35] <knome> FusionX, np. good luck.
[12:42] <jrmy> im confused why menu editor is installed when it says "an implementaion of the freedesktop specification for gnome"
[12:43] <jrmy> i have xubuntu
[12:45] <jrmy> !pure xubuntu
[12:46] <jrmy> !purexubuntu
[12:46] <Sysi> xubuntu menu is freedesktop compatible
[12:46] <Sysi> (/msg ubottu purexfce)
[12:47] <jrmy> so is it suppose to come with xfce?
[12:47] <jrmy> or whatever xubuntu is suppose to be
[12:47] <jrmy> !purexfce
[12:49] <jrmy> ok so i guess its suppose to be there
[12:49] <jrmy> im just confused about it
[12:52] <jrmy> does xfce still rely on gnome?
[12:53] <Sysi> what do you mean?
[12:53] <jrmy> why does it have a gnome system monitor?
[12:53] <Sysi> xfce devs think it's cool?
[12:53] <Sysi> *xubuntu
[12:53] <Sysi> not xfce
[12:53]  * jrmy is so confused
[12:54] <jrmy> right when i think ive figured it out i realized i havent
[12:54] <Sysi> xubuntu developers decide what programs come with xubuntu, some of them have gnome dependencies
[12:54] <Sysi> xfce programs shouldn't have
[12:55] <jrmy> ok
[12:55] <Sysi> xfce is xfce4+xfce4-goodies, xubuntu-desktop is more
[12:57] <jrmy> well i just wanted something light weight seeing as my laptop has low mem
[12:57] <Sysi> how much?
[12:57] <jrmy> 256MB + 128MB
[12:57] <jrmy> i wonder if the memory is good
[12:57] <jrmy> i havent tested them yet
[12:58] <jrmy> hope not
[12:58] <Sysi> that "minimal xubuntu" might run ok
[12:58] <Sysi> if you don't have chromium with hundred tabs
[12:59] <jrmy> wait that slows it down :O
[12:59] <jrmy> lol jk
[12:59] <jrmy> what is chromium btw ive only used fire fox
[13:01] <Sysi> browser
[13:01] <jrmy> that would be obvious
[13:01] <jrmy> what makes it chromium
[13:01] <Sysi> !chromium
[13:02] <Sysi> !info chromium
[13:02] <Sysi> !info chromium-browser
[13:06] <jrmy> whats the difference with google chrome?
[13:06] <jrmy> is chromium just as fast?
[13:07] <Sysi> open source
[13:08] <jrmy> would you recommend it over firefox?
[13:09] <knome> i don't think that either chromium or firefox would be the best browser for lwer-end pc's
[13:10] <jrmy> well if its just as nice as firefox but actually lets me watch video without lag then sure i'll take that browser
[13:10] <knome> probably not.
[13:11] <jrmy> its kinda sad when youtube lags
[13:11] <jrmy> even though it has nothing to do with my download rate
[13:11] <jrmy> i can have the whole video downloaded yet it still lags
[13:12] <Sysi> flash vs html5?
[13:12] <jrmy> what now?
[13:12] <jrmy> what is html5?
[13:13] <Sysi> ..alternative for flash, works well on chromium, not taht well on FF, better on linux than flash
[13:14] <jrmy> hmm...
[13:14] <jrmy> ok
[13:15] <jrmy> i wonder if i can get a laptop for $500 with a 512MB graphics card
[13:15] <knome> probably yes
[13:16] <jrmy> im confused why computers are made with gigs for video when most games only need 512 at max
[13:17] <jrmy> only game i know that has 512 as a requirement is starcraft2
[13:17] <jrmy> and i dont think ill be playinhg that anyways, dont care for rts as much
[13:17] <jrmy> that and more then a dual core
[13:17] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support talk please
[13:18] <jrmy> oh...
[13:18] <jrmy> sorry
[13:18] <knome> no problem
[13:18] <Sysi> (requirements for maximum vs. minimum and today vs. tomorrow)
[13:18] <knome> Sysi, grr :P
[13:19] <jrmy> fine i wont add a comment to that
[13:21] <jrmy> i dont liek the image viewer that comes with xubuntu. is the one that comes with ubuntu bulky? i think i like that one more
[13:22] <jrmy> risterro i think its called doesnt show GIF images very well
[13:23] <jrmy> and how do i make a new image viewer the default?
[13:25] <jrmy> ok its called ristretto
[13:26] <jrmy> i'd use it but there is no obvious way to rotate images and change to the next without having to use the mouse
[13:28] <Sysi> space and in menu is
[13:28] <jrmy> what?
[13:28] <Sysi> space switches to next
[13:28] <jrmy> oh
[13:28] <Sysi> i've rotated images from menu
[13:28] <jrmy> ok
[13:29] <jrmy> well only if it didnt have problems with gif
[13:29] <Sysi> you can try ubuntu's one, idk what it is
[13:29] <jrmy> yeah i cant remember either
[14:09] <ubuXubu_> i had lucid for about 2 weeks and had to reinstall due to panels that would not stick no matter what?
[14:10] <ubuXubu_> noone anywhere could give me a solution...none of the terminal command stuck.
[14:10] <ubuXubu_> so i reinstalled and this time tried ext3
[14:10] <ubuXubu_> i cant believe it
[14:12] <knome> does it work now then?
[14:13] <ubuXubu_> well i just reinstalle dyesterday
[14:14] <ubuXubu_> so far so good
[14:14] <knome> okay. hard to say what went wrong since you are not running the broken system anymore.
[14:14] <ubuXubu_> wut a nightmare
[14:14] <knome> yes, there are bumps sometimes..
[14:14] <knome> like when traveling with airplane
[14:14] <ubuXubu_> the terminal commands worked until i rebooted
[14:15] <knome> as i said earlier, it's probably just about the panel not being in the session
[14:15] <knome> for reason or another
[14:15] <ubuXubu_> i did read this whole ext4 thing may be a big pipe dream too in the ubuntu
[14:16] <ubuXubu_> it was sluggish
[14:16] <ubuXubu_> and quirky, just weird overall
[14:17] <ubuXubu_> im not gonna mess wit hthe TI driver anymore either
[14:17] <ubuXubu_> ati driver*
[14:19] <ubuXubu_> so hows it goin knome its me balsaq  using my new nick specially formulated for when im in a buntu channel
[14:19] <knome> well, it's okay. there's going to be a new theme in maverick, called bluebird
[14:19] <ubuXubu_> 1010 already huh
[14:19] <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/projects/bluebird/
[14:21] <ubuXubu_> cool, do i dare install 1010 on one of my computers?
[14:21] <ubuXubu_> i dont want the entire desktop to disappear!
[14:22] <ubuXubu_> gotta a good feeling bout ole ext3 though...feels like home again.
[14:23] <ubuXubu_> i meant gnomes
[17:02] <nicofs> hi there... i want to mount an *.iso-file but it doesn't work... help... http://pastebin.org/986278
[17:04] <well_laid_lawn> !iso
[17:05] <well_laid_lawn> leave out the -t bit
[17:06] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: "you must specify the filesystem type"...
[17:06] <well_laid_lawn> does mount return that?
[17:06] <nicofs> yes
[17:07] <well_laid_lawn> lemme check it here
[17:09] <well_laid_lawn> works fine here without the -t
[17:09] <nicofs> http://pastebin.org/986515 - both versions....
[17:10] <well_laid_lawn> run   dmesg   in terminal - does it say the iso is 9660 - should be the last line
[17:12] <nicofs> http://pastebin.org/986517
[17:15] <well_laid_lawn> try making a new folder in mnt to do this - sudo mkdir -v /mnt/something
[17:16] <nicofs> no change...
[17:17] <well_laid_lawn> k - for some reason mount thinks the fat file system is involved
[17:18] <well_laid_lawn> line 13 - VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop0.
[17:18] <well_laid_lawn> seems like a bad iso perhaps
[17:19] <well_laid_lawn> try   file /home/nicofs/Games/install/nfshs/nfs.iso
[17:19] <well_laid_lawn> in terminal
[17:19] <nicofs> "data"
[17:20] <ochosi> anybody here that
[17:20] <ochosi> 's on maverick?
[17:21] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:  I get   ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data   from file
[17:21] <well_laid_lawn> !maverick
[17:21] <well_laid_lawn> ochosi:  ^^
[17:22] <nicofs> so presumably the *.iso is corrupted...
[17:22] <well_laid_lawn> seems so
[17:22] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:  any reason that the fat file system would be involved?
[17:22] <ochosi> well_laid_lawn: what exactly are you insinuating? i know what maverick is...
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> ochosi:  ^^
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> was saying it straight out
[17:23] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: well... i converted a *.cue to *.iso in windows... maybe the resulting iso works just there...
[17:24] <ochosi> well_laid_lawn: i'm not sure whether joining an overcrowded channel of mostly ubuntu users asking for xubuntu-users experience is a good idea
[17:25] <well_laid_lawn> ochosi:  you don't seem too bright - I'll put you on ignore then :]
[17:26] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:  afaik it should be fine anywhere if it was made right...
[17:29] <nicofs> hmm... thanks anyway... no time and energy to solve that now...
[17:29] <well_laid_lawn> k :]
[19:18] <jose__> can someone help me with this error when playin dvd's--x11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)-- please thanks..
[19:21] <FusionX> knome: i fixed my problem, actually the problem was -> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9819880#post9819880
[19:24] <FusionX> but dammit i already uninstalled it
[19:24] <FusionX> >:/
[19:25] <jose__> what problem did you have?
[19:28] <FusionX> jose__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9867153#post9867153
[19:28] <jose__> thx.. ill check it out
[19:38] <jrmy> so who knows how to make shortcut keys for volume up down and mute?
[19:39] <jrmy> since switching to xubuntu i have no idea how to do so
[19:40] <charlie-tca> You set the shortcut in settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Do have the keys on your keyboard?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Down volume - aumix -v-10 ; Up volume - aumix -v+10 ; Mute - aumix -v0
[19:42] <charlie-tca> are the settings I use
[19:42] <Sysi> i think xubuntu default is: amixer set Master/PCM 10%
[19:43] <Sysi> 10%+/-
[19:46] <jrmy> charlie-tca: i have it where i push Fn then pgup, pgdn, and home
[19:46] <jrmy> but they dont work normally so i'd want to create the short cuts
[19:48] <jrmy> ok so how do i add a nex shortcut for the command of volume up, down, and mute?
[19:48] <jrmy> new*
 You set the shortcut in settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Application shorcuts tab
[20:00] <jrmy> ok so volume up down and mute are applications?
[20:01] <jrmy> i need to know the commands for each of theses
 Down volume - aumix -v-10 ; Up volume - aumix -v+10 ; Mute - aumix -v0
[20:04] <charlie-tca> For Down volume, the shortcut would be    aumix -v -10
[20:04] <charlie-tca> The key you are adding is the key on your own keyboard that is used "For Down volume"
[20:05] <charlie-tca> aumix is the app
[20:06] <jrmy> ok so when i type in the command to add it do i include the spaces?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:06] <jrmy> ok
[20:06] <charlie-tca> oh, no space after the -v
[20:07] <jrmy> ok i didnt do that
[20:09] <jrmy> ok so if i wanted to have it increase slower or faster with the volume up and down i'd just change the number, correct?
[20:09] <jrmy> or decrease*
[20:11] <charlie-tca> correct
[20:12] <jrmy> ok
[20:13] <jrmy> thanks
[20:17] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:35] <jrmy> is there a xfce music player?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> exaile
[20:36] <jrmy> thats it?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> That's it. What's wrong with it?
[20:37] <jrmy> dont know how to get it to play spc files nor does it minimize to the system tray
[20:37] <residentgrey> vlc ftw too bad none of the skins ever work right
[20:37] <jrmy> other then that nothing
[20:38] <charlie-tca> um, goto Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance, Show tray icon is not checked by default, afair
[20:38] <jrmy> first i have to reinstall it
[20:39] <charlie-tca> It should be installed by default in Xubuntu
[20:39] <jrmy> but i dont know how to make it use the spc library
[20:39] <jrmy> i uninstalled it
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know spc
[20:39] <jrmy> its the native of the snes
[20:39] <jrmy> theyre sorta liek awesome midi
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Maybe use vlc for them?
[20:40] <charlie-tca> or install rythmbox?
[20:40] <jrmy> i guess rhythmbox coudl work too
[20:40] <jrmy> could*
[20:40] <jrmy> does vlc minimize to the tray?
[20:40] <jrmy> vlc plays video as well right?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:41] <residentgrey> yes
[20:41] <jrmy> if so why have 2 different media players when i could just use one and save space
[20:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know if it minimizes to the tray
[20:41] <residentgrey> yes
[20:41] <residentgrey> i use it everyday
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I use vlc for dvd's and exaile for everything else. Exaile is just much easier for me
[22:43] <freaky[t]> hi all. what program should i use for instant messaging ?
[22:43] <Dasleah> what protocols do you use
[22:43] <freaky[t]> icq and msn
[22:43] <Dasleah> MSN, IRC, Google Talk, etcetera
[22:44] <Dasleah> well most IM programs for Linux are all-in-one solutions
[22:44] <freaky[t]> ok which one is the default for xubuntu?
[22:44] <Dasleah> so i guess just have a poke around in the Software Center
[22:44] <freaky[t]> is there no default for xubuntu?
[22:44] <Dasleah> no idea
[22:44] <Dasleah> maybe Empathy?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> There is pidgin
[22:44] <Dasleah> it's the default for Ubuntu
[22:44] <charlie-tca> default in Xubuntu
[22:45] <Dasleah> yeah, pidgin will work fine
[22:45] <jrmy> pidgin xubuntu empathy ubuntu
[22:45] <freaky[t]> ok thank you all :D
[22:45] <jrmy> i think empathy sucks for the most part
[22:45] <jrmy> havent tried pidgin
[22:45] <Dasleah> it's not very flash for MSN
[22:45] <jrmy> but i only used empathy for irc
[22:45] <Dasleah> but i mostly use IRC anyway so that's all covered by Xchat2
[22:45] <Dasleah> yeah, empathy sucks for IRC
[22:46] <jrmy> xchat is win imo
[22:46] <jrmy> what i be usin right now
[22:46] <jrmy> i'd use irssi however cause i liek terminal stuff but i dont know how to use it effectively
[22:46] <Dasleah> yeah i moved from Konversation to XChat2 and there's no reason for me to go back
[22:46] <jrmy> btw xchat2?
[22:46] <jrmy> why the 2?
[22:47] <Dasleah> because it's the second version?
[22:47] <jrmy> oh.. i might be using a latter version
[22:47] <Dasleah> latest is 2.8.9
[22:47] <jrmy> didnt know of such things
[22:47] <jrmy> i wonder whats different
[22:48] <Dasleah> only thing i'm missing in it is graphical emoticons
[22:48] <Dasleah> which i think can be added, but i'm too lazy
[22:48] <jrmy> never used emoticons
[22:48] <jrmy> i think theyre dumb
[22:48] <Dasleah> mostly handy for me because i frequent channels with a lot of goons
[22:49] <Dasleah> so being able to understand what some of their obscure emoticons are helps ;)
[22:49] <freaky[t]> how do i add pidgin to autostart in xubuntu?
[22:49] <jrmy> ah
[22:49] <jrmy> autostart never used it but i think its easy
[22:50] <jrmy> i know how to with gnome
[22:50] <jrmy> aka ubutnu
[22:50] <freaky[t]> yea
[22:50] <jrmy> ubuntu*
[22:50] <Dasleah> Settings > Session And Startup
[22:50] <Dasleah> Application Autostart tab, then Add if it's not in the list
[22:50] <freaky[t]> ok where is "Settings"?
[22:50] <jrmy> see like i said
[22:51] <jrmy> applications up at top
[22:51] <freaky[t]> lol sorry i cant find it in
[22:51] <Dasleah> for me it's at the top of the mouse menu
[22:51] <jrmy> yeah click it
[22:51] <Dasleah> but then i'm running some weird hybrid of Ubuntu and Xubuntu here so things are all over the place
[22:51] <jrmy> applications > settings > xfce settings manager
[22:52] <freaky[t]> i found it thank you
[22:52] <jrmy> lol
[22:52] <jrmy> i think i have 10.10
[22:52] <jrmy> or whatever the newest is
[22:52] <charlie-tca> 10.04
[22:52] <jrmy> oh
[22:52] <jrmy> then that
[22:52] <Dasleah> don't think 10.10 will be out for another few weeks yet
[22:52] <freaky[t]> i have 10.10 aswell
[22:53] <jrmy> i used sudo apt install whatever then followed instructions on how to make it pure xubuntu
[22:53] <charlie-tca> 10.10 should be out on 10/10/2010
[22:54] <Dasleah> date of my wedding
[22:54] <jrmy> i definitely see a difference in resource usage between ubuntu and xubuntu
[22:54] <Dasleah> oh yeah
[22:55] <jrmy> xubuntu only uses half of my ram
[22:55] <Dasleah> i'm using about 100-200mb less RAM on average doing the same thing under Xubuntu
[22:55] <knome> for non-support talk, please use #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:56] <jrmy> ironic since this is about xubuntu
[22:56] <jrmy> "xubuntu-offtopic"
[22:56] <knome> it's not ironic, this is a support channel
[22:56] <Dasleah> with no-one to support right now
[22:57] <knome> that doesn't change the thing, really.
[22:58] <Dasleah> nofunallowed.jpg then
[22:58] <Dasleah> oh well
[22:58]  * Dasleah shuts up
[22:58] <jrmy> thats why i talk in my loco channel
[22:58] <jrmy> its ubuntu however
[22:59] <jrmy> where can i find out about xchat then?
[23:00] <jrmy> i'd assume this is an inappropriate place to ask
[23:00] <Dasleah> xchat.org
[23:00] <Dasleah> or it's in the Software Centre
[23:01] <charlie-tca> No, this is not an inappropriate place to ask that question
[23:01] <knome> xchat is by default in xubuntu so it's not offtopic
[23:01] <jrmy> really?
[23:01] <jrmy> i did not know that
[23:01] <charlie-tca> and talk about the amount of ram saved is also appropriate in this channel
[23:02] <knome> talk, but not random chatterish thing, imo
[23:02] <Dasleah> see i can understand that policy in a high-activity channel, sure
[23:03] <Dasleah> but there's like less then 60 people in here and us just chatting friendly about tangential-related things is the most active i've seen it all week
[23:03] <jrmy> it all seems relevant imo if it has to do with xubuntu and by doing so gains knowlegde of xubuntu more so
[23:04] <jrmy> how is this non-supportive?
[23:04] <Dasleah> it's not like if anyone were to ask a support question we'd tell them to bugger off or anything so a little harmless casual chatting doesn't ruin anything
[23:04] <knome> the policy is the same for all then channels
[23:05] <knome> Dasleah, jrmy: sorry, i was just acting before we went totally offtopic. memory usage conversation is okay, but if it's just casual chatting style, i personally think it's not that valuable/necessary
[23:05] <knome> talking about dropping/switching several applications and gaining on memory or tweaking stuff is okay, imo
[23:06] <Dasleah> and i think that for an IRC channel of this size and relative low popularity, fostering a friendly community where people can feel they can chat about things that aren't strictly on-topic 100% of the time is valuable / necessary
[23:06] <Dasleah> but i can understand where you're coming from
[23:07] <jrmy> and at that stand point i dont really want to come here for help
[23:07] <jrmy> doesnt come off as friendly
[23:07] <knome> i understand your point as well, and some friendly 'hey's are okay really, but from experience, stuff like memory usage and/or tweaking easily goes off-topic
[23:08] <jrmy> well dont be suprised if less people come here
[23:08] <jrmy> im just one person
[23:08] <knome> jrmy, i'm sorry you've had that impression
[23:08] <jrmy> but im not sure how other people will take it
[23:09] <jrmy> #xchat
[23:09] <knome> !guidelines
[23:09] <knome> jrmy, those guidelines apply all channels, including #xubuntu, and you agree them on joining
[23:09] <charlie-tca> But those guidelines have always been looser enforced in Xubuntu channels than in Ubuntu channels
[23:10] <jrmy> and in both my loco team channel and another ive been in its rarely been that we have to on topic unless a question arises
[23:10] <knome> charlie-tca, true, but that doesn't mean we are not following them at all
[23:10] <knome> loco channels are not "official channels"
[23:10] <knome> or what the term again is...
[23:10] <charlie-tca> knome: I saw nothing that far off that guidelines were not being followed "at all".
[23:10] <knome> charlie-tca, core channels?
[23:10] <jrmy> ok so what is #ubuntu-us-pa and #ubuntu-us-mi?
[23:11] <freaky[t]> this damn msn since the beginning it says my email address is not verified and i dont know how i can resend the confirmation eMail
[23:11] <jrmy> perhaps i was mislead on loco?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> !language | freaky[t]
[23:11] <knome> jrmy, local community. those channels are exactly loco channels.
[23:11] <freaky[t]> sorry
[23:11] <knome> jrmy, eg. not core support channels
[23:11] <jrmy> oh
[23:11] <freaky[t]> im german what should i have said instead?
[23:12] <freaky[t]> i know the word you mean
[23:12] <knome> freaky[t], leave it out, maybe?
[23:12] <freaky[t]> but what with should i have replaced it
[23:12] <jrmy> you could of said darn
[23:12] <charlie-tca> nothing
[23:12] <freaky[t]> ok
[23:12] <charlie-tca> it is not necessary in the sentence.
[23:12] <knome> jrmy, that's no better
[23:12] <freaky[t]> yes
[23:12] <Dasleah> wait, damn is 'bad language', seriously
[23:12] <Dasleah> what are we 10 years old
[23:12] <charlie-tca> msn since the beginning it says my email address is not verified and i dont know how i can resend the confirmation eMail
[23:12] <charlie-tca> is all that is needed
[23:12] <knome> Dasleah, this channel is family friendly
[23:13] <Dasleah> it's a perfectly benign expression of frustration
[23:13] <knome> Dasleah, that means you should act like there actually WERE 10 year olds in this channel
[23:13] <charlie-tca> This is a family channel. My 10 year grandson does not need to see that
[23:13] <freaky[t]> ok can any of you linux guys help me with MsN? lolol
[23:13] <Dasleah> but it's like one of the most non-offensive words possible
[23:14] <Dasleah> there are names for colours that invoke more negative connotations
[23:14] <charlie-tca> Dasleah: It is offensive to many people
[23:14] <knome> freaky[t], afaik you'll have to deal that with msn
[23:14] <jrmy> although in its proper use it should not be
[23:14] <jrmy> and yes pastors use this word
[23:14] <knome> freaky[t], maybe login to msn passport or so
[23:15] <jrmy> ie damned when you go to hell
[23:15] <freaky[t]> knome, where is this passport page?
[23:15] <knome> freaky[t], passport.com? please refer to microsoft on this, IM clients do not handle this kind of stuff
[23:16] <knome> jrmy, stop right now.
[23:16] <freaky[t]> ok thanks
[23:16] <jrmy> so that was offensive?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Okay, for information only! knome and I are both channel ops here. That language will not be tolerated and will result in getting you kicked out
[23:16] <jrmy> amazing
[23:16] <knome> jrmy, i know that's a proper use when you're in the church, but irc is a bit different - especially as this is a support channel, not a preaching one
[23:17] <jrmy> w/e i dont have to come here
[23:17] <jrmy> bye
[23:17] <charlie-tca> Sorry, knome. I may not always agree, but I will not disagree on offensive issues
[23:17] <freaky[t]> lol their page is down
[23:17] <knome> charlie-tca, no problem.
[23:17] <freaky[t]> i love microsoft </irony>
[23:17] <Dasleah> and people wonder why Linux has a reputation for being full of grumpy old neckbeards
[23:18] <knome> charlie-tca, always agreeing on anything is not possible, really
[23:18] <Dasleah> i'm out
[23:18] <knome> being a little tense here tonight, are we? ò.O
[23:19] <charlie-tca> apparently, if you can't say everything you want to, it is not worth being here?
[23:20] <knome> mmh. don't know. works for me, really
[23:20] <freaky[t]> "might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." ... perfect timing ...
[23:20] <charlie-tca> I don't mind seeing a little off-topic straying, but I do mind flagrant violations of the guidelines...
[23:20] <knome> freaky[t], passport.com works for me
[23:21] <freaky[t]> knome, it's just the account management site which seems to be down
[23:22] <knome> right... a new try tomorrow, then?
[23:22] <freaky[t]> knome, does it work for you?
[23:22] <knome> freaky[t], haven't tried and right now, do not have time
[23:23] <freaky[t]> ok
[23:23] <freaky[t]> ill try again tomorrow then, thank you
[23:23] <knome> you're welcome
[23:24] <knome> charlie-tca, a little offtopic is okay yeah, but as i said, it easily leads to being more offtopic. i know that happens with me as well. that's why i said sorry to both of them, but apparently they wanted to stick with the attitude against any authority.
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is what I saw happen too.
[23:25] <charlie-tca> I tried not to jump you. I am sorry if it felt like I was.
[23:25] <knome> no problem at all. probably good you said that.
[23:26] <charlie-tca> You know, the one that used the language first dropped it as soon I asked. The other two though...
[23:27] <charlie-tca> knome: you gonna be at UDS this time?
[23:29] <knome> charlie-tca, nope.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> hmm, hoped to meet you in person
[23:30] <knome> charlie-tca, oh well, didn't apply for sponsorship, and at this time, i don't know if a trip to US would have been possible anyway
[23:31] <charlie-tca> ah, I see. I think sometimes we (the US) make it very difficult for people
[23:31] <knome> it's kind of far away from here... ;]
[23:31] <charlie-tca> yes, that it is
[23:31] <knome> and without sponsoring, quite expensive
[23:32] <charlie-tca> I would not expect it without sponsorship
[23:33] <knome> mm-hmm. maybe some can do. partial sponsorship from own company or so
[23:33] <charlie-tca> still expensive
[23:33] <knome> it is