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ZoraelWhat is the current state of the Qt4 packages in maverick? plasma keeps instacrashing on me, and I'm getting some very weird display errors in Qt apps in general. It has been blaming the proprietary nvidia driver, but I get it even after falling back to vesa.03:19
ScottKWorking very well for me.03:47
ScottKZorael: The only real problems I've had have been traced back to X or video driver issues (on  Intel)03:48
macolucidfox has just made an exploratory switch to kubuntu!06:46
Sputhmmm... due to Evolution on Ubuntu now spamming unwanted signatures?08:55
Sput(which I find quite disturbing, tbh)08:55
persiaExcept Evolution only did that for 3 weeks, and doesn't now.  Just messiness.  Not that more Kubuntu users aren't welcome of course :)09:09
apacheloggerbulldog98: pong09:15
apparleHi guys, i want to access touchpad data. How to do it?09:42
apparlehi guys I want to access the touchpad. how to do it?10:22
Riddelldunno, apt-get source kde-config-touchpad will show how the kcm does it10:23
apparleRiddell: I mean I want to access events of touchpad.10:24
RiddellI don't know, I'd expect the API would be related10:29
Mamarokcould somebody look at this bug and tell me what in Ubuntu causes that crash, please: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25186910:37
ubottuKDE bug 251869 in general "Amarok crashed while joining a new wireless network" [Crash,Unconfirmed]10:37
MamarokI guess the network manager, not sure though10:37
Mamarokbacktrace shows no evidence of Amarok or a KDE application being responsible, maybe Qt?10:38
Mamarokand I can't reproduce this here, switched from lan to wireless and back several times, no crash10:38
persiaMamarok, Look closely at QNetworkConfigurationManager : "ptr=" looks like it ought contain some value, but doesn't.10:41
persia(thread 1 in the stacktrace)10:41
Mamarokso it's his network configuration causing the crash?10:43
persiaNo idea.  I'd have to read source for 5-6 frames in both directions to get any idea what is actually wrong.10:48
persiaBut from a quick glance at the stacktrace, I suspect the crash to be in Thread 1 and the issue to be related to the fact that ptr isn't set.10:48
persiaBut I have absolutely no idea what "ptr" means, or any context to explain it in real terms.10:48
MamarokOK, thanks anyway :)10:49
Mamarokthe crash is in Thread 1, as it says KCrashHandler on top, btw :)10:49
Mamarokis there an ETA for the Amarok 2.3.2 package in the backports for Lucid?11:22
Riddellneversfelde was going to do them this evening11:30
Riddellis it SFW?  I know what you're like apachelogger and I wouldn't want my colleagues to think I'm into the same things as you are!12:09
apacheloggerRiddell: yes :P12:10
apacheloggerdepends on the POV12:10
Riddellooh another new kcontrol module12:10
apacheloggerRiddell: not a KCM at all right now12:10
apacheloggerthough with me it will of coursse end up as one ;)12:11
apacheloggerRiddell: actually I was more thinking about having it feature a plasmoid12:12
apacheloggerto counter them old init based plasmoid thingies 12:13
Riddella plasmoid to stop system services? whyever would you need that?12:13
apacheloggerI have no idea12:13
apacheloggerRiddell: to quickly kill apache when you need RAMz maybe12:14
RiddellI'd think it would be more useful as part of ksysguard then12:14
* apachelogger has a feeling a ksysguard plugin is not far from KCM ^^12:15
apacheloggerthem KCMs are everywhere ^^12:16
apacheloggerRiddell: I'll try myself on model/view stuff so ultimately one could use it for whatever is desired12:16
shadeslayerjefferai: around?12:52
shadeslayer_jefferai: is your core ok now? 13:16
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* Riddell spots ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.0.tar.gz14:11
Riddellwho wants to package?14:11
shadeslayer_Riddell: sure14:13
shadeslayer_does we have a package for that?14:14
shadeslayer_or a brand new package?14:14
Riddellshadeslayer_: qt4-x1114:14
shadeslayer_thats.. omg.. thats qt4-X11? :O14:14
shadeslayer_oh well14:15
shadeslayer_first time for everything i guess :>14:15
shadeslayer_itll take an hour to download :P14:15
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://gitorious.org/qzsync/qzsync/commit/81e75a5291370c415fcbbef15b4d66b02eb88a63 :: fixed the Icon issue ... its sort of a hack, but it works14:16
Riddellshadeslayer_: it'll take longer to compile!14:16
Riddellshadeslayer_: you can use my server if you want14:16
shadeslayer_Riddell: im afraid of that as well :P14:16
shadeslayer_to compile?14:17
Riddellalthough it's not great spec14:17
shadeslayer_dunno how to use it ... and its alright.. ill manage :P14:17
shadeslayer_and qt servers are slooooowwww14:17
shadeslayer_im getting 40 KBps ...14:17
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lucidfoxOkay, I have to say this: KDE4 rocks now14:23
lucidfoxI last saw it around 4.0-4.1, when it didn't do much14:23
ScottKNo.  It didn't.14:23
lucidfoxSo I'm staying here.14:23
persiaJust don't try to run it with 256MB RAM and no X acceleration :)14:24
shadeslayerlucidfox: im just happy that my Network manager plasmoid works now :P14:24
lucidfoxI have a fast enough computer that I notice no graphical delays, although Compiz seems subjectively faster than KWin, so I stuck with it.14:24
shadeslayerpersia: btw.. need to talk about the zsync thing14:24
lucidfoxAnd with some GNOME software I grew accustomed to, namely Nautilus, Empathy, Epiphany and Liferea.14:25
persiaI'm up for a bit more: talk quick.  Extra points for transcribing yourself so I know what you're saying.14:25
shadeslayerpersia: you said that i need to file a bug about getting all the zsync links on the iso site14:25
shadeslayerso that i can parse them to my app14:26
persiaOh, I said it might be a good idea to file a bug so that the cdimage site had a file that was a list of all the current images.14:26
shadeslayerpersia: the list should be in the top level dir right?14:26
shadeslayerlike : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/list.txt14:27
persiaUnless you're intending to try to prepare the patch, I'd suggest leaving the implementation details up to the cdimage team.14:27
persiaBut yeah, that would work fine :)14:27
shadeslayerpersia: i file a bug against... which package?14:27
shadeslayeri dont remember14:28
persiaNo package.  launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage14:29
shadeslayerpersia: bug 64435314:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 644353 in Ubuntu CD Images "cdimage.ubuntu.com should have a list of zsync downloads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64435314:32
lucidfoxSo I wonder... How closely do you people stay in touch with upstream KDE?14:32
shadeslayerlucidfox: some of the people here ARE kde upstream14:32
persialucidfox, As an example, I fixed a bug, and uploaded something yesterday, and the first followup was a complaint that the patch didn't apply against svn HEAD.14:36
Riddellwhich is reported as https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251866 incidently14:37
ubottuKDE bug 251866 in general "KOffice does not compile on ARM" [Normal,New]14:37
shadeslayerRiddell: do you know who is coming to UDS from the kubuntu team? :)14:38
Riddellnot exactly14:38
shadeslayerapart from me, Quintasan and apachelogger ...14:38
Riddelland ScottK and rbelem14:38
shadeslayerhmm... i thought you would know14:38
Riddellmgrasslin from upstream14:38
shadeslayerScottK: your coming? why did you say..14:38
Riddellmaybe maco14:38
shadeslayeroh great 14:39
persiaRiddell, Thanks for the pointer.  Reason the patch didn't apply is because upstream has already done ~40% of it (with slightly different syntax for one class of change).14:39
Riddellpersia: some of the files have gone or been moved too I think?14:39
shadeslayerRiddell: also.. when are you planning to reach and depart from orlando?14:40
persiaNot of the ones I've seen so far, but I've been focusing first on the literals.  I figure it's best to split out the upstream bits into multiple patches, more logically organised.14:40
Riddellshadeslayer: I get there on Sunday evening and leave the following Monday morning I think14:41
Riddelllucidfox: welcome along to Kubuntu :)14:42
shadeslayerRiddell: erm.. only for 2 days? or is the monday after 29th?14:42
* lucidfox waves14:42
lucidfoxSo yes... the resident from the parable of two houses got tired of the first house being perpetually under reconstruction, and returned to the second.14:43
Riddellshadeslayer: 29th14:43
shadeslayeroh.. ok ...14:43
ScottKlucidfox: Welcome.14:44
sikonHmm... Any idea why I have no menubar in Quassel?14:55
sikonoh, never mind14:55
sikonfound it14:55
macoRiddell: maybe me what?15:05
macosikon: hi :)15:05
macoRiddell: definitely me15:06
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macoshadeslayer: Riddell's not making sense. he's staying til 1 Nov15:07
shadeslayermaco: yeah got that part :P15:07
shadeslayermaco: are you coming?15:07
* shadeslayer just got flight details from BTS15:07
lucidfoxmaco> So now I've migrated to Kubuntu!15:09
macolucidfox: welcome to the darkside, have some cookies 15:10
macobah no kubotu!15:10
macokubottu normally gives out cookies15:10
shadeslayerRiddell: what do i do if i can find a cheaper flight via some other agency instead of BTS :>15:12
shadeslayertheres a 20 K INR ( 300 euro )difference :P15:13
Riddellshadeslayer: you can either book that yourself and claim the cost from canonical later, or just go with the one from the travel agent15:13
macoor tell the travel agent about it...15:15
macothat sounds easiest15:15
Riddellwho will add their commission and you'll get back to the number you first thought of :)15:15
shadeslayerkdevelop beta 3 is up... who wants to take it? :D15:21
Riddellsurely you can do it while qt is compiling :)15:22
shadeslayerRiddell: not enuf bandwidth :P15:22
shadeslayerwell..lemme try15:22
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Riddellshadeslayer: I was joking!15:22
shadeslayerno seriously :P15:23
jefferaishadeslayer: I hope it is15:23
shadeslayerjefferai: ok dunno what happens, but i cant connect to freenode :(15:23
jefferaiyou're on freenode15:23
shadeslayerit says sync'ing to core... and it kept sync'ing for 40 mins15:24
shadeslayerjefferai: from quassel... not quassel client15:24
shadeslayerjefferai: about a hour ago15:24
jefferaiwhich means what?15:24
shadeslayerjefferai: which means im not connected to your core15:24
* jefferai doesn't follow15:24
shadeslayerjefferai: i can connect to your core but not to freenode via your core15:25
jefferaithat's odd15:25
jefferaiI'm on freenode via my core15:25
shadeslayerhttp://i.imgur.com/6GL4o.png 15:26
jefferaiwhy are you showing me that?15:27
shadeslayerbecause its hung on that15:27
jefferaiand what am I supposed to do with that screenshot?15:28
shadeslayeruhh... so everything is fine at your end? ... 15:29
jefferaiI just got on my quassel core here 10 mins ago15:30
jefferaino problems whatsoever15:30
jefferaiso currently I believe things are fine on my end15:30
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lucidfoxhmm, I wonder... What port does the core need open?15:33
lucidfoxQuassel, that is15:33
fejjeraiby default, 424215:33
macolucidfox: by default quassel is monolithic in kubuntu though.... not client/core15:36
lucidfoxI know15:36
shadeslayer*shrug* ... ill leave it for the next few hours like that15:38
shadeslayerShadowBelmolve: sorry :(15:38
ZoraelHow to recover from all Qt apps mysteriously freaking out on you completely regardless of if you run proprietary nvidia, nouveau or vesa:15:47
Zoraelcease being your normal adventurous you, and go undo setting the default graphicssystem to opengl.15:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: uhhhh, merge requests....15:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: whut? :D15:53
apacheloggerqt 4.715:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: already on it15:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: mergery15:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: why do you have a qtoolbox that you do not use?15:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: because ive deleted it in in my local files16:00
apacheloggeroh dear lord16:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: what happened?16:03
fejjeraishadeslayer: rather than leave it like that, why not close quassel and re-open?16:08
shadeslayerfejjerai: already tried that16:08
shadeslayeri cant even connect with /connect 16:08
sheytanHey guys16:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: more mergery16:09
Riddellhi sheytan 16:09
apacheloggeralso mind the comment16:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: so i see :)16:09
sheytanIs project neon available for lucid/maveric and do they have kde 4.6 builds? :)16:09
shadeslayeralready merged 116:09
fejjeraishadeslayer: hm, ok16:10
fejjeraiI see the problem16:10
fejjeraiSput: more borkage :-(16:10
shadeslayerfejjerai: oh great :D16:10
shadeslayeroh.. that isnt good16:10
ScottKRiddell: Can 1:2.2.2-0ubuntu3 wait until after RC or do you want that in?16:10
ScottKerr koffice16:11
sheytanQuintasan ^^16:11
RiddellScottK: either is fine but why would we wait?  RC is 10 days away16:12
shadeslayerkdevplatform building... and Qt is next16:13
* shadeslayer puts ark to the test16:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: the header includes lessen compile time i guess?16:13
ScottKRiddell: Oh.  Yeah.  So it is.  nevermind16:13
ScottKRiddell: In that case, would you please review mesa for me.  It should be a revert back to -0ubuntu1.16:15
Riddellgroovy, component mismatches should shortly be clear of any kubuntu bits16:15
RiddellScottK: ok16:15
ScottKI'll look at mobile too once it gets a diff.16:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: depending on the compiler all that crap would also end up in your binary16:18
apacheloggere.g. inline functions16:18
apacheloggerbut yes, primary concern is compile time16:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: also .. can you update your merge request? i removed the toolbox and pushed to git repo :P16:19
apacheloggermerging 90k SLOC is no easy business, finding something in there even less16:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: you are the merger not me :P16:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: how do i merge a conflicting merge then :P16:20
apacheloggeryou resolve the conflict16:20
* apachelogger is wondering why his wifi is off16:20
shadeslayerhow?? :D16:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: manually16:20
shadeslayerok... but then your name doesnt come in the commit.. :P16:21
apacheloggergoogle for resolving conflicts in git16:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/497796 : ever seen one of these?16:34
apacheloggerdpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libkdevplatformdocumentation.so.2 needed by debian/kdevplatform1-libs/usr/lib/libkdevplatformshell.so.2.0.0 (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').16:34
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fejjeraishadeslayer: yo16:47
shadeslayerfejjerai: \o16:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: any hints on whats wrong?16:53
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you even package that file?16:53
shadeslayernope.. ok..16:55
macoRiddell, ScottK:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/arora/+bug/641359  ?16:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 641359 in arora (Ubuntu Maverick) "arora (universe) seeded in Kubuntu.Maverick dvd seed" [High,Confirmed]16:59
ScottKRiddell: IIRC we wanted to remove that.17:08
ScottKmaco: BTW, any core-dev and (I think) kubuntu-dev could deal with that.17:09
ScottKmaco: Als minus point for the edge url.17:09
macowell you two are core devs with a special interest in kubuntu, and nixternal is almost always MIA so...17:09
macoi copied and pasted from my browser17:11
ScottKmaco: Theres also JontheEchidna.17:11
macohas he been online yet today?17:11
apacheloggerEVERYONE: why do you like kubuntu/kde?17:12
ScottKOh, right.  Him too.17:12
macoapachelogger: doesnt treat users like zombies (in need of brains) like osx and gnome do?17:13
shadeslayerfejjerai: :)17:13
fejjeraimaco: aren't most users zombies?17:13
Riddellmaco: I already removed arora from the seed today17:14
macoRiddell: oh ok :)17:14
* maco marks Fix Released17:14
* Sput thinks most users are able to navigate a settings dialog if they're not happy with the defaults17:14
ScottKapachelogger: It's not over-engineered for a targe audience that doesn't include me.17:15
neversfeldeMamarok: just started, I hope I can come up with a package later this evening17:17
macoapachelogger: everything lucidfox said here:  http://lucidfox.org/posts/view/623 is why i use kubuntu :)17:17
* apachelogger is posting exactly WRT that17:18
* maco points to ScottK17:18
macohe made me do it17:18
macoheh yes "you know, you sound like a kde user" is what you said17:19
Riddellapachelogger: best developer platform, best community, it's what the suse CD I got given a decade ago had by default17:19
macooh is that what your old distro was?17:20
ScottKapachelogger: Fundamentally KDE recognizes that everyone is different and there is no one best way to arrange a computer system for everyone and so it supports the idea of being adaptable to what works for me.17:20
Riddellmaco: via Debian17:20
ScottKThat and 6 years ago someone suggested I try Xandros and it came with KDE.17:21
shadeslayerheh.. my first encounter was with kubuntu itself.. i had a 8.04 CD lying beside my shiny new laptop and i decided to break my laptop with KDE 4.0 :P17:22
apacheloggeroi! kde 4.0 was not broken17:22
apacheloggerKDE 3.56 was :P17:22
Riddelland Kubuntu because it's got the right mix of KDE, apt, single live CD, and the best looking bunch of developers ever17:22
shadeslayerlol ^17:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: i was just a humble Windows user till then :P17:23
macoshadeslayer: you havent been around here very long yet, have you?17:23
shadeslayermaco: ~2 years :)17:23
SputKDe 3.85 was quite usable17:23
shadeslayer( counting in on #kubuntu time as well )17:23
macoand you havent realised that Riddell makes lots of comments about the channel's appearance yet?17:23
shadeslayerno :P17:24
macoah but in -devel not long?17:24
ScottKmgraesslin: I'm having an intermittent problem on my Intel 945GME network.  I only have effects enabled 20% of the time after login.  They have been temporarily suspended.    Once I resume them they run fine.  It seems to me there might be a threshold somewhere that is set just a little too tight.  Is there something it might be worth me playing with adjusting and could you point me at where to find it.17:24
macothe /topic used to say "the distro with good-looking developers"17:24
shadeslayeryeah.. ive been here like.. 8 months i guess17:24
apacheloggerSput: yeah, I think that was about the time I tried to migrate kdepim17:24
apacheloggernot very successful17:24
macoScottK: i get the same on my netbook17:24
apacheloggermaco: well, it is a known secret that kubuntu has the best lookign developers17:25
apacheloggerwell... nixternal is a bit out of the ordinary, but other than him...17:26
shadeslayerhmm.. so kdevelop now has git support17:28
ScottKAs long as now means after the next release, yes.17:39
shadeslayerapachelogger: 2nd merge request merged as well17:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: whats the difference between http://gitorious.org/qzsync/qzsync and http://gitorious.org/qzsync ?17:42
fejjeraiRiddell: were the bugfixes stripped out of dbusmenu related to build fixes?17:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: one is the project and one is the repository?17:47
shadeslayerso why doesnt the activity of the project get updated when the main repo is updated?17:47
shadeslayeroh.. takes some time i guess17:48
Riddellfejjerai: a little bit, you can see the changes at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/libdbusmenu-qt/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_00_external_contributions.diff17:48
shadeslayerfejjerai: how do i make the <***> Buffer Playback... stuff stop? 17:49
* shadeslayer finds it a bit annoying17:50
fejjeraiRiddell: great, fantastic :-(   Although libdbusmenu itself isn't building for us either17:50
shadeslayerRiddell: btw where do i put kdevplatform?17:51
fejjeraishadeslayer: what <***> Buffer Playback?17:51
Riddellshadeslayer: beta PPA?17:51
shadeslayerRiddell: ok17:51
Riddellfejjerai: but if you get it from gitorous you don't need to care about the silly external patch thing17:51
shadeslayerfejjerai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49784517:51
fejjeraishadeslayer: dunno, never seen it17:52
shadeslayerline 8, 10, and 417:52
shadeslayerfejjerai: which client?17:52
fejjeraishadeslayer: konversation17:53
fejjeraimight be irssi doing special things with znc17:53
fejjeraisee http://en.znc.in/wiki/Timestamps17:53
fejjeraisearch for Buffer Playback17:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: i guess i can leave out -./usr/lib/libkdevplatformdocumentation.so if i have usr/lib/libkdevplatformdocumentation.so.* in my install file17:54
fejjeraishadeslayer: not sure though17:54
fejjeraicould try asking in #znc17:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: how do you reason that?17:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: um.. because earlier we had left out so files in favour of so.* files... like so.1.0 ....17:55
apacheloggernow that is wrong17:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: so files are static libs right?17:56
apacheloggerso = shared object 17:56
shadeslayeroh .. hmm17:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: static is generally .a17:57
apacheloggeror .lib17:57
apacheloggerlatter on windows17:57
shadeslayeri got it the other way around :P17:57
shadeslayerso files are dynamic ..17:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: whats the difference between a so file and a so.1 file then?17:58
apacheloggerthe soversion17:58
apacheloggergenerally speaking17:59
shadeslayerthat much i know, apart from that17:59
apacheloggerthe .so will be the one you tell the linker about17:59
apacheloggerin the linked binary you will then end up with a soverioned dependency17:59
apacheloggerso again generally speaking a .so will only be necessary at development time whereas the so.1 will be necessary at runtime18:00
howlymowlyhi poeple.... short question: I use the kde global menu widget in kubuntu 10.04 with kde 4.5 from the ppa ...  works like a charm, except:  it does not work together with gtk appliations. is this "normal" :)?18:01
ScottKhowlymowly: There is a package you need to add.  Let me find it.18:03
Riddelliz gtk bug :)18:04
howlymowlyScottK: cool  thx! :)18:04
ScottKhowlymowly: It's appmenu-gtk18:04
shadeslayerfejjerai: i get it on konversation as well :>18:04
ScottKRiddell: ^^^ probably good point for release notes.18:05
* ScottK looks for claydoh_18:06
howlymowlyalright ScottK..  I found the package...  but not in my ppa's :)  i guess that's because I am running kubuntu 10.04? already the gloabl menu was only available by manual download hehe18:09
howlymowlyis there any workaround besids upgrading to maverick?18:09
howlymowly*besides  18:09
ScottKNot really.  gtk apps need to be patched to work with appmenu and none of the ones in 10.04 are.18:09
howlymowly(the appmenu-gtk seems to have some dependencies)18:09
howlymowlyhmm..   thats bad :)18:09
ScottKSo you'd also need to backport the patched packages.18:09
ScottKthat's Gtk.18:10
howlymowlyyeah, thats why I am using KKKubuntu :)18:10
howlymowlygood that I do not use too many gtk-applications18:10
fejjeraishadeslayer: try asking in #znc18:13
fejjerailet me know what you find out18:13
shadeslayerRiddell: kdevplatform going into ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta ... no time to testbuild Qt, i can only do that tmmrw18:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: is it beta?18:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes beta 318:22
shadeslayerwrt kdevelop18:23
* apachelogger goes snapshotting18:23
apacheloggerwhere does the educated user get latest amarok for lucid?18:27
ScottKI think the educated user sticks with what's stable and tested.18:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: project-neon :>18:28
apacheloggerScottK: are you saying amarok does not do QA? :P18:28
ScottKapachelogger: No.  I'm saying that there is merit to sticking with what's working.18:29
blueyedIs anybody using a LUKS usb device (or something similar)? I am about to forward https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/629840 to BKO.18:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 629840 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "[maverick] kde: "Could not mount the following device" when trying to mount previously opened LUKS usb drive" [Medium,New]18:29
apacheloggerScottK: maybe the other thing is better working18:29
apacheloggerblueyed: actually a package is missing18:29
blueyedapachelogger: cool, which?18:30
apacheloggerblueyed: still the error message is the crap18:30
apacheloggertruecrypt 18:30
apacheloggersome silly *crypt* name for sure18:30
blueyedno truecrypt.. cryptsetup.18:30
blueyedbut.. I have that installed, it works outside of kde.18:30
* apachelogger doesnt have his key stick with him18:31
apacheloggerit defenitely worked with lucid18:31
* apachelogger should read the report ^^18:31
blueyedok, but it might be another reason than "package missing" then, no?18:31
apacheloggerblueyed: what file system?18:31
blueyedYes, I can unlock, but not mount the unlocked one.18:31
blueyedapachelogger: ntfs.18:31
apacheloggerI think we can only mount ntfs with sudo18:32
apacheloggerit certainly works with ext4 and cryptsetup18:32
blueyedI would be happy if kdesudo would ask me to mount it.. ^^18:32
apacheloggerblueyed: tell tsimpson that his patch is insufficient :P18:32
* apachelogger doesnt really know why we need kdesudo anyway18:33
apacheloggerisnt hal able to handle that sort of stuff?18:33
blueyedhal is deprecated.18:33
apacheloggersays who?18:33
ScottKblueyed: Not in KDE18:33
blueyedI do not know what happens behind the scene.18:33
blueyed#udev says that :D18:33
apachelogger#kubuntu-devel says gnome is deprecated :P18:34
blueyedit will be in kde later, too.. :)18:34
apacheloggerstill I wouldnt trust either18:34
blueyedit should work in gnome.. I should try that..18:34
apacheloggergnome does not use hal no more18:34
blueyedI'll subscribe tsimpson to the bug, right?18:34
apacheloggerif he still cares... IIRC he was the one who wrote the original patch that was supposed to make ntfs mountable18:35
apacheloggerthat is not medium importance18:35
blueyedbut high?18:35
blueyed:D - not for me.18:35
apacheloggerbut for me P18:35
blueyedntfs is common sense, if you want to interact with win* systems.18:36
apacheloggerme having had more uploads of the affected package being more important :P18:36
apacheloggerblueyed: it works with ntfs18:36
apacheloggerit does not work with luksed ntfs18:36
apacheloggerof which I personally fail to see the point anyway18:36
blueyedoh well.18:36
mgraesslinScottK: to your question from above: there are two possibilities: 1st composting self-test is just failing, 2nd something is producing heavy load during startup, so that FPS drops heavily18:36
mgraesslingiven that it works sometimes number 1 is unlikely18:37
ScottKmgraesslin: I'm guessing the latter, but it's a guess.18:37
blueyedyou can unlock cryptsetup on win* - but you're right, I should just drop ntfs.18:37
blueyedhowever, I discovered a bug at least.. ;)18:37
apacheloggerthat patch is super old18:37
apacheloggerpre-bzr times even18:37
mgraesslinScottK: you could test that with enabling the FPS effect - it's not good but it should show if kwin stalls18:37
apacheloggerwe should get rid of it :P18:37
ScottKmgraesslin: I'll try it.18:38
blueyedapachelogger: do you think dropping that patch might improve its behaviour? should I forward the bug to BKO?18:38
apacheloggerblueyed: you should forward the fact that the error message is next to useless18:39
apacheloggerand the patch should be replaced by something more suitable because I really think hal is able to permit any user to mount stuff18:40
apacheloggerthat kdesudo thing is crap too18:40
apacheloggersay you are in a restircted environment (think school) and you still want users to be able to mount usb sticks18:40
apacheloggernow I recon ntfs is not an uncommon format for stickies18:41
ScottKmgraesslin: With blur active and the plasma-widget-networkmanagement wifi connection window (that takes literally half the screen on my netbook) I get 15 - 17 FPS.  ~30 when nothing is going on.18:41
apacheloggerhence fail since every user would need to be sudoer to mount a stick18:41
* blueyed has not looked at the patch (and is not into kde packages anyway) - it uses kdesuo? - ah, it does not.. fixing the patch should not use hal though I think.18:41
blueyedapachelogger: being sudoer would work in most cases though - in contrast to "none".18:42
blueyedthanks for the memory leak fix!! - it was driving me kind of mad.18:47
blueyedbtw: I need to resize the amarok GUI once, to make the "Context" widget in the middle behave (=> get the whole width in the middle)18:48
apacheloggerblueyed: do your system logs have any additional information on the ntfs stuff?18:50
blueyed"ntfs" not in dmesg..18:50
apacheloggerand hal18:50
apacheloggerin fact you'd best just grep /var/log for hal ;)18:51
* apachelogger has no idea where that junk is logged18:51
blueyedlots of matches in backup files18:52
blueyeddoes not like that.. only dpkg.log, pm-powersave and apt/dist-upgrade dirs for sudo find /var/log -name "*.log" | grep -v duply | xargs sudo grep -P "\bhal\b" -l.18:54
* apachelogger i wondering why mounting ext works but not ntfs18:56
mgraesslinScottK: seems ok, given that nothing changes (FPS effect is destroying its own benchmark as it triggers constant repaints)18:57
ScottKmgraesslin: OK.  So it's probably just something with the startup load (heaven knows KDE could use some work there).18:57
mgraesslinso true18:58
ScottKmgraesslin: Is there some change we could make to soften that up then?18:58
mgraesslindisable functionality checks by default :-P18:58
Riddellapachelogger: neversfelde said he'd do amarok18:58
apacheloggeroh, not done yet? :(18:58
apacheloggerthat reminds me18:58
neversfeldeworking on it18:58
ScottKmgraesslin: OK. Perhaps a little less drastic ....18:58
apacheloggerblueyed: I actually wanted to do other things than chasing after hal :P18:59
ScottKRiddell: Any luck figuring out that xbel thing on start?18:59
RiddellScottK: not had a chance to look at it18:59
Riddellweird though18:59
ScottKYeah.  I'm stumped.18:59
Riddellhave we added any silly patches recently?19:00
neversfeldeapachelogger: Don't be in such a rush! I can come over to Austria now and bring my laptop, so you can finish, if I have to go to bed :)19:00
ScottKI don't think so.  My theory is it's a timing issue where that file gets generated before ~/.local/config exists.19:00
apacheloggerneversfelde: you would not dare anyway19:01
neversfeldeapachelogger: sure19:02
apacheloggerRiddell: startkde with mkdir -p ~/.local/share && mkdir -p ~/.config && mkdir -p ~/.cache19:02
apacheloggeroh well, one can probably drop the -p for the latter 2 ^^19:02
apacheloggerRiddell: I did not get dfaure to comment on that yet19:02
apacheloggeralso last I tried to get feedback on that proposal upstream I did not really get anyway19:03
apacheloggerneversfelde: yeah sure :P19:03
neversfeldeapachelogger: 30 km to the border and Asutria is not big, I will find you :)19:05
blueyedapachelogger: I could imagine that a better error message might help.. ^^ I am going to get that one in BKO at least, with a reference to the lp.net bug - however it sounded like a kubuntu patch could be involved..?!19:06
apacheloggerneversfelde: lol, good luck :P19:07
neversfeldeprobably I should look at your latitude status message 19:08
apacheloggerlatidude ftw!19:09
bulldog98apachelogger: ping19:09
apacheloggerbulldog98: pogo19:10
bulldog98apachelogger: you wanted to speek with me about membership19:11
apacheloggerah rightly19:11
apacheloggerlets take that to a query19:11
Mamarokneversfelde: thanks :)19:26
apacheloggerScottK: pingy19:41
ScottKapachelogger: pongish.19:41
apacheloggerScottK: do you happen to have a plasma-netbook around to make a super awesome hot screenshot?19:41
ScottKapachelogger: Yes.19:42
ScottKWhat are you looking for?19:42
apacheloggerScottK: plasma-netbook with plasmoids I suppose19:42
apacheloggersomething show off at least19:42
* apachelogger is preparing a blog stating reasons why Kubuntu (or KDE) is super awesom and people should use it ;)19:42
ScottKI see.19:43
ScottKhttp://skitterman.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/appmenu1.jpeg was pretty popular.19:43
apacheloggerScottK: not very netbooky though19:45
blueyedScottK: png would be much better - sorry19:45
ScottKLet me come up with something.19:45
apacheloggeroh, that too ^^19:45
ScottKblueyed: Patents are expired.19:46
apacheloggerScottK: still png is lossless and jpeg is not19:46
blueyedScottK: from gif?19:46
* apachelogger imports a billion billion photos into digikam19:46
ScottKOh, yeah.  That was gif.19:46
blueyedwould be better than jpeg maybe.. ;)19:47
blueyedpng is it for screenshots.19:47
apacheloggerwhat I probably hate most about both digikam and amarok is that they do not populate their views on the fly19:47
blueyedwhat game is this? (http://skitterman.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/appmenu1.jpeg)19:47
apacheloggerit is is sort of horrible to essentially wait for digikam to scan a billion pictures before I can do anything19:47
blueyedI can see the title nowhere!! (semantic bug)19:48
blueyedI am really glad about some of the latest kde patches.. nasty bugs you would not expect in a .1 release (still).19:49
blueyedcan you convert ntfs inplace to ext4? ;/19:52
blueyedI should get the nfts-on-luks bug pushed.. ;)19:52
blueyedlater though.. waiting for a ppa build to finish is like programming with lags: so much wait and so much to drink.19:53
eMyllerhey plasma dudes, take a look at it: http://design-milk.com/dell-inspiron-duo/20:03
apacheloggerthat is two paradigms in one20:05
apacheloggerthat is like20:05
apacheloggerplasma-tablet and plasma-netbook20:05
apacheloggerand on the fly switching20:06
apacheloggeruh uh uh20:06
apacheloggeractivities come to mind20:06
apacheloggersomeone get me such a device20:06
* apachelogger feels inspired like not within the last year20:06
nigelblucidfox: oh, you too!20:07
* nigelb wanted to swtich, Intel 855 isn't playing nice with lucid :/20:08
eMyllerapachelogger: we have to wait till end of this year :\20:12
* apachelogger thinks his post is in need of spunk20:12
apacheloggereMyller: cant mario send us some prototype? ;)20:13
ScottKRiddell: poxml was accepted with the binary going into Universe.  One of it's reverse-build-depends is in Main.20:13
eMyllerapachelogger: mario?20:13
ScottKapachelogger: Maybe he can bring it to UDS.20:13
apacheloggereMyller: superm120:13
apacheloggerScottK: worth asking I suppose 20:14
apacheloggerone week should be more than enough to make us compatible with that thing ^^20:14
ScottKHe might even let you touch it.20:14
eMyllerdidn't know about him :P20:14
apacheloggerI only needs ssh20:14
* apachelogger can remote controlz the plasma via javascript20:14
apachelogger<= supreme javascript0r20:14
eMyllerand some telekinesis to touch the thing :P20:15
apacheloggersomeone else can do that20:15
apacheloggerin fact 20:15
apacheloggerI expect it to move by my movement20:15
apacheloggertalking about that20:15
apacheloggerif the design team pursues that movement detection stuff not only will your battery go bye bye but also will you not be able to relax intermediately while working20:16
nigelbapachelogger: +120:16
apacheloggerthe dragonball you watch in the bottom right corner will go fullscreen20:16
apacheloggeror some other sort of movie20:16
apacheloggerhow embarassing that would be... ^^20:16
nigelband you will get kicked out of the library or office20:16
apacheloggermaybe there is ergonomical concern behind it though ^^20:17
* apachelogger bounces20:20
ScottKapachelogger: Here's a couple (working on a widgety one) http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/present1.png http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/sal1.png20:40
ScottKCurrently stymied by an unfortunate unwillingness of the comics widget to actually display a comic20:40
apacheloggerScottK: thanks :)20:41
ScottKapachelogger: Widgets ahoy: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/newspaper.png20:45
ScottKI may have found a critical but though.20:45
ScottKCan anyone else select a comic in the comic widget on Maverick (yes, I did install some)?20:46
ScottKapachelogger: You said you wanted hot, so I hope you appreciate the extra trouble I went to get that that YouTube content in the present windows screenshot.20:50
apacheloggerI do20:53
JontheEchidnalol @ lady gaga20:53
apacheloggerthough my definition of hot is different :P20:53
JontheEchidnanow... was somebody saying something about seed changes?20:54
ScottKJontheEchidna: It's taken care of.20:54
ScottKapachelogger: Certainly, but since I made the screen shot, I get to pick.20:54
apacheloggeryeah ^^20:55
macoJontheEchidna: Riddell got it20:57
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ulyssesdantti_work: I've just upgraded to Maverick, and the KPackageKit tray icon is missing, a question marked page appears instead of, is this known already?21:56
ulyssesAnyone noticed that Maverick drops a lot of ERROR in tty? http://pastebin.com/VBVFD0Cy22:16
ulyssesbug 64474022:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 644740 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i915] drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64474022:38
ScottKulysses: You should talke to someone in #ubuntu-x.22:44
ScottK(make sure you have today's mesa update first)22:44

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