[00:00] hey, with 10.10, is there a known issue where the workspace switcher doesnt show the preview? I thought in all the previous versions it was on by default? [00:00] (so you can see if something in window changed by glancing at taskbar's mini-icons ) [00:02] and it is already added to the bar, so dont need to add workspace [00:07] well then, my netbook decided to suicide [00:09] no good [00:09] did you try to install the nvidia driver again [00:10] running now [00:10] the installer is i mean [00:10] ugh, fucker netbook\ [00:10] !language | RBecker [00:10] RBecker: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [00:11] sorry [00:11] How can I try unity, I installed the package? [00:11] bp0: ERROR: Unable to create `/usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/nvidia_drv.so` for copying (No such file or directory) [00:13] ok, I gotta go eat, bbs [00:13] is there any simple reason why installing the ati driver from ubuntu software center would give a kernel includes do not match current kernel, they are versioned as "" instead of 2.6.34-22-generic ? [00:14] (and fail obviously) [00:15] actually, error is that utsrelease.h no exist [00:19] howdy folks, just wanted to say something that is not said enough... great work guys, I had some probs, got help, fixed, and I have an AWESOME system, thanks again [00:20] come make my system work seven:P [00:20] heh :) [00:20] what probs you having? [00:21] cant install ati drivers, neither ones from ati's site, nor from software tool.. the compile/installer complains that kernel include versions arent set [00:21] they are blank [00:22] so the driver wont install hehe [00:22] same here, I just am using the OSS radeon drivers for now [00:22] that required me to completely uninstall fglrx* [00:22] oh fun [00:22] not bad really [00:23] they take up uneeded space if not utilized [00:23] dpkg -l | grep -i fglrx [00:23] that will tell you what is installed btw [00:23] thanks :) [00:23] np, btw, what ati card do you have? [00:23] 5970 [00:24] ok, mine is the 4650 [00:24] you may not get 3d with a 5k series [00:24] but you should have normal 2d resolutions [00:25] honestly I wouldn't recommend 3d anyway, even with the latest gl extensions (mesa) installed, I get a lot of screen nastiness in fullscreen opengl apps (like Glest) [00:25] i was just wanting to play with compiz, which requires 3d :) [00:25] ATI is working on the kernel compat issues, so by 10.10 release I am told it will be bueno [00:25] :( sorry, me too [00:25] compiz is the shiznit lol [00:25] hehe [00:26] i've never used it [00:26] All I wanted 3D for is light gaming [00:26] ah well, thats what we get for playing around with a beta i guess :) [00:26] very true, very true [00:27] only 20 days left, not too worried about it [00:28] * Pertheria pokes update-grub .. run darn you! [00:32] How can I try unity, I installed the package? [00:38] bp0, the nvidia blob with the bugfix is now going into the x-updates ppa [00:40] super === iConfused is now known as xCxnfxsxd === xCxnfxsxd is now known as iConfused [01:00] RBecker, I'm out, since you couldn't get the new nvidia drivers installed, try removing the old ones like this: http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/remove-nvidia-installer [01:00] then use the ones from that ppa that bjsnider mentioned [01:00] good luck [01:27] does prelink and/or preload have sense on Ubuntu maverick...? [01:29] does prelink and/or preload have sense on Ubuntu maverick...? [01:44] #ubuntu === iConfused is now known as jeesus === jeesus is now known as iConfused === iConfused is now known as iConfused|sleep [02:57] bjsnider, somethings up with the nvidia driver in that ppa [02:58] it builds modules called nvidia and nvidia_current [02:58] uses nvidia, what is the nvidia_current module for? [02:59] when you open the additional drivers app, it shows that nvidia_current is active but not in use [02:59] and lspci -v | grep nvidia shows [03:00] Kernel driver in use: nvidia \n Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nouveau, nvidiafb [03:21] bp0, the changes in the proprietary drivers were brought over from mandriva to ubuntu. the modules all have different names so they can all be installed at once without overwriting each other [03:21] keep in mind that the regular ubuntu packages are all like the ones in that ppa [03:23] I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 today and it doesn't boot ino ubuntu [03:24] I get codec 0 is not valid [0xfe0000] as well as pulseaudio configured for per user sessions with an orange star next to it [03:24] alright [03:24] What do i do to get it to boot i don't care about codecs or sound for that matter [03:26] There are 4 codec errors 18.191789, 18.199574, 18.207245, 18.219473 [03:26] It says since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to n upstart job you may also use the start(8) utility [03:28] 218 ppl here and no1 can help me [03:32] It says since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to n upstart job you may also use the start(8) utility [03:33] I have no computer [03:33] guccipilot, yeah it's still beta dude.... it's possible you might get errors like that [03:33] best thing you can do is check and find people that have similar hardware === JanC_ is now known as JanC [03:46] i tried removing pulseaudio... now im removing virtualbox [03:54] anybody here> [03:54] ? [04:00] How do i remove codecs [04:00] What's the command [04:06] is there small panel player for Rhythmbox in 10.10? [04:07] pksadiq: is there anything in the audio control? [04:08] guccipilot: I think you would need to pastebin the whole dmesg [04:09] I have no computer that works im on my samsung epic... i can't even make a live cd [04:09] I removed alsa and pulse [04:10] it boots and i get 4 errors [04:10] ? [04:10] guccipilot: so you can at least install stuff, I take it [04:10] I haven't yet used [04:10] I have internet access and i have tty1 [04:11] [18.535487] codec_read: codec 0 is not valid [0xfe0000] [04:11] guccipilot: have you tried startx? [04:11] I have 4 of those [04:11] can someone help me install JACK on maverick [04:11] I need to know , will swear to avoid an upgrade, that's all [04:11] Don't know what start x is [04:11] i have no idea how to get it working [04:11] guccipilot: it is a command [04:11] guccipilot: first install ubuntu-desktop [04:11] not start x . but startx [04:12] I had ubuntu 10.04 and then updated today to 10.10 and it wouldn't boot [04:12] Anyone usind JACK in maverick [04:12] I typed startx now what [04:12] guccipilot: well, you are getting a sort of boot, but the gui is failing [04:12] what is the error? gucc? [04:12] guccipilot: hit enter, see what happens [04:13] I get 4 errors... [04:13] [18.771929] codec_read: codec 0 is not valid [0xfe0000] [04:13] 4 just like those [04:13] Ok well when i do startx i get failed to load errors [04:13] guccipilot: can you pastebin those errors? [04:14] How do i do that [04:14] hmmmm [04:14] I don't really know! [04:14] It says ee failed to load/ usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so [04:15] guccipilot: nvidia card? [04:15] It seems like its nvidia related [04:15] So now what [04:15] Ya [04:15] guccipilot: I would remove the nvidia drivers [04:15] How do i do that [04:15] What do i type [04:16] guccipilot: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-* maybe [04:16] yes [04:17] guccipilot: and then mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.not_working [04:17] use sudo before mv [04:18] It says cannot start no such file when i did the mv command [04:18] isnt the command now Xorg -configure? [04:18] guccipilot: ok, if /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt exist, that is fine [04:18] yeah you have to tyep sudo Xorg -configure in recovery mode [04:19] bdogg: that configures xorg? [04:19] So reboot o wait? [04:19] guccipilot: yea, reboot, see what happens [04:19] it generates a xorg file [04:20] I already removed pulseaudio virtualbox and alsa [04:20] in your home directory [04:20] guccipilot: oh yeah, install ubuntu-desktop [04:20] Virtualbox and pulse were other errors [04:20] its going to be called xorg.conf.new [04:20] after lucid i think [04:20] the Xorg file is not used anymore [04:20] bdogg: do you have a link explaining this? [04:20] ummm... [04:21] i kind of gathered it from different places [04:21] so no i just have the ubuntu logo [04:21] but works for me [04:21] Like it was to boot but it doesn't [04:21] Hard drive isn't spinning or aything [04:22] guccipilot: did you install ubuntu-desktop? [04:22] The ubuntu logo is hi res tho [04:22] No i already rebooted [04:22] What do i hold to get into tty1 agin [04:22] !tty [04:22] To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution. [04:23] any additions from ubuntu brainstorm in 10.10? [04:24] Tats not putting me back to tty [04:26] Ui held ctrl alt f1 down and nothing [04:26] The ubuntu logo is stuck [04:26] guccipilot: try alt+sysrq+k [04:27] guccipilot: sysrq depends on the keyboard. mine is printscreen [04:28] Mine is too but it doesn't brng me to tty1 [04:28] guccipilot: does it do anything? [04:28] when should i press or how long should i hold it for [04:28] I got it to say sysrq sak or something but its stuck again [04:29] guccipilot: I would try booting into recovery mode if that doesn't work [04:29] How do i do that [04:30] My drivers are being checked for errors [04:30] guccipilot: it is one of the options at boot. Hold shift at boot if you don't get the menu [04:30] And now its back to the waiting game [04:30] The lights stay orange they don't go white unless i ctrl alt del [04:30] It said my drives*** not drivers [04:31] can some one help me out with JACK in maverick [04:32] i've been struggling for ever to get it working [04:32] K recovery now i have to wait [04:32] Now what do i select in recovery menu [04:33] guccipilot: can you select "with networking" or something? [04:33] Do i select netroot? [04:33] K now install ubuntu-desktop right [04:33] ya [04:34] Anything else [04:34] did it install anything? [04:34] Its installing [04:35] Orange asterix near pulseaudio configured for per-user session [04:35] Its done installing sudo reboot now? [04:35] guccipilot: ya [04:36] I gota go, but hopefully that fixes it for ya [04:36] Hopefully if not anything else you can suggest [04:37] well, you got what you got, the tty with networking. Keep upgrading [04:37] Thank you so much chogydan for at least trying to help me [04:37] JACK audio in maverick? [04:38] help [04:43] someone forgot to leave a window open for i8xx chipsets with patch * debian/patches/206_intel_8xx_default_to_fbdev.patch: [04:43] \I cannot force kms to load with latest xserver [04:53] JACK audio help anyone === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:13] oopsie, that was me having two computers with pidgin open. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:16] Hi, when I use kpackagekit to install software I get a message "You have failed to provide correct authentication. [05:16] Please check any password" but it's not even asking me about a password, what's wrong? [05:19] is it possible to avoid upstart in Maverick? [05:48] Hi, I'm trying to install Maverick Beta, and the installer only seems to detect one of my two hard drives. It takes a long, long time to find it, as well. :/ [05:53] Apparently restarting the installer enough times fixes the issue. :D [05:58] is it possible to avoid upstart in Maverick? [07:44] awesome a flash update [08:13] lru: no [08:42] what file is the kernel config please [08:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/523027 [08:42] Launchpad bug 523027 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DRM Framebuffer crash; invalid framebuffer id; Thinkpads with Intel X4500HD" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:43] i have read this post [08:43] it is said to ad a config para to fix my ca [08:48] !kernel config [08:59] it appears to be this one /usr/share/kernel-package/config [08:59] * archer has to reboot to try his luck [09:04] hi. menu entries are totally broken here, they only display font garbage (like a font was not found) [09:14] looks similar to this: http://en.dogeno.us/2010/01/fix-garbage-menu-fonts-in-evince-karmicubuntu-9-10/ [09:14] i tried changing fonts, but it didn't help === plovs_ is now known as plovs [09:26] please [09:26] what is the kernel config file [09:30] archer: Have you googled for it ? [09:36] yes [09:36] from debian and intel forums [09:37] it seems that integrated video cards with multiple output terminals will meet this issue [09:37] e.g. intel xxx hd, ati xxx hd [09:38] but i did find the kernel config .. [09:45] can someone help me to locate the kernel config? [09:48] archer: /boot/config- [09:50] thanks [09:50] reboot now [10:01] no good [10:01] seems ati really drops its support === mr5v3n is now known as ChanZ [11:40] Does the Ubuntu One music store work for you? I'm trying to access it with maverick, but I can't get past the "connecting" screen. Since I can't find a bug report, I guess it's only a problem for me? How do I debug the music store integration? [11:43] hi! got most things working (video, flash etc), just picasa still segfaults [11:45] Hmm. *something*, and I can't figure out what, rewrote my /etc/hosts after an update to maverick, including the local host name against the 127.0.0.1 address [11:45] This is wrong, and broke my MTA === hif1 is now known as hifi [13:03] hey all [13:10] is there a way to hard block openjdk? [13:11] I have to admit I don't get why people are so fond of IcedTea on OpenJDK, it's simply too defective === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === shadeslayer is now known as Guest69074 [13:43] hey guys, anyone here able to help me set up my xonar DX? It somehow works, but speaker-test is anything but 5.1.. tried via "speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -l1 -twav". another strange thing i noticed: in alsamixer it says AV200, but on the alsa page the DX has AV100 [13:45] i'm on kubuntu 10.10 btw. [15:05] Why is the executable file /usr/lib/klibc/bin/resume not in the default path? [15:26] !xvid [15:26] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [15:30] anyone know how to get xvid working in ubuntu 10.10? i can't seem to get it working no matter what player i try [15:38] hi folks, anyone help me, ive upgraded to 10.10 and now get black login screen :( [15:39] leeb9972: Can you access a virtual terminal? [15:39] yes [15:40] i had ati driver for dual monitors on 10.4, can this be the prob? [15:40] leeb9972: Yes it can. [15:40] hmm, any ideas on how to fix [15:40] leeb9972: I would suggest that you read the dmesg output. [15:41] sorry n00b here, how do i get that [15:42] i do startx and i get lots of errors [15:43] leeb9972: In a virtual terminal: '~$ dmesg > dmesg.log20100921'. Then '~$ more dmesg.log20200921'. Read it for error messages and warnings. If you cannot find them, nopaste this file in a nopaste service. [15:44] fpr attention to would-be helpers [15:44] for [15:46] leeb9972: You should also nopaste the contents of the file /var/log/Xorg.1.log for attention of would-be helpers. [15:46] i cant [15:47] accessing here via laptop [15:47] PC is not working [15:47] leeb9972: Why can you not? [15:48] only have terminal access on pc [15:48] big black terminal screen [15:48] covers whole desktop [15:48] leeb9972: The PC is the culprit? [15:48] yes [15:49] leeb9972: All the operations which I suggested , you can perform on a virtual terminal of your PC. [15:49] nope sorry [15:49] thinks i reinstall 10.4 :( [15:50] leeb9972: Why are you sorry? [15:50] lol, u can probably fix, but im a ubuntu n00b [15:51] leeb9972: But I have given you the commands almost literally. [15:51] yep, lots off errors [15:51] i get Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display [15:51] leeb9972: What is the first error message on the virtual terminal? [15:52] leeb9972: Is the first error message on the virtual terminal this " Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display"? [15:53] i get ~$: command not found [15:54] leeb9972: "command not found" seems to be an answer to a command that you typed in. What command did you type in? [15:55] ~$ more dmseg.log20100921 [15:57] leeb9972: Replace dmseg with dmesg. [15:57] Maybe because i have uk keyboard etc [15:59] same error [15:59] leeb9972: Your PC seemed to work with Ubuntu 10.04. If so, I have no doubt that your present trouble is not due to you UK keyboard. [15:59] same error ~$: command not found [16:00] i will re-install 10.4 [16:01] :-( [16:01] lol, hope this problem will not happen when 10.10 is finally released [16:03] lol, i might have to go back to 10.04 myself soon [16:03] can't get xvid to play even with vlc [16:03] I believe that Ubuntu 10.10 in its present configuration will not change much until official Ubuntu 10.10 relase next month. [16:03] ill reinstall 10.4 then upgrade without installing ati driver [16:03] did you get xvid to play? [16:04] leeb9972: That is a reasonable. [16:04] -a [16:04] will let you know [17:08] b 3 [17:19] Is there a way I can use Claws Mail (instead of Evolution) in the messaging menu (running 10.10 right now) [17:23] hi, is it correct that sony-laptop module has been remove for maverick ? [17:23] don't find anything in synaptic which could help getting my FN keys working again [17:25] did my message arrive in the channel (sometimes my IRC just keeps the messages for his own) [17:25] benste, I see your message, I can do a quick apt search for you if you like? [17:26] traskmind: you can check yours - but I've already checked mine :-( [17:26] benste, ah, I see. Probably been removed then :( [17:26] why the h*** - this would cause every Sony Laptop not to work properly [17:27] -- is there some kind of log where I can get more informations about this ? [17:27] traskmind: I remember someone over @GPM fixed a bug in gnome-power just to work together with Sony laptops - and now i can't even use my keys ?? [17:29] benste, hm, I'm not sure. Possibly Google for solutions? [17:29] that's what I'm already doing for some time now [17:30] I saw multiple results for just "sony-laptop ubuntu". Possibly you could install an old sony-laptop package by hand? [17:30] traskmind: FN Keys on Vaios with Nvidia brightness were in issue since my first ubuntu installation back in 2005 [17:30] - installing another package isn't a solution as maverick should aim to support as much hardware as possible [17:31] maybe someone else here will know more about this special problem [17:31] OK, wtf? Something modified my /etc/hosts file after I upgraded to maverick, rewriting the localhost lines to include the hostname of the computer. I modified it back. Something has now REAPPLIED THE BREAKAGE?!?! [17:31] I agree that the package should be included (if it still works with everything else in Maverick, of course) but installing an old version might help you out temporarily. [17:34] traskmind: strange even the sny module seems to be remove [17:34] d [17:38] someone else here using a VAIO or knowing how to reenable FN keys in maverick ? [17:38] Ugh, this is network-manager mangling the world, isn't it [17:41] benste, do you have a sony vaio z-series? [17:42] sadly not :-) [17:42] just vgn-fe series [17:42] but if you're owning it - use speed mode and we've got the same problem [17:42] do you ? [17:43] jaapz: ? [17:43] benste, my Fn keys stopped working in lucid, but they've all come back in maverick [17:43] benste, I have an Asus, though [17:43] philsf: which vaio ? [17:43] -- ausus is something completly different [17:43] just wondering if it might be related [17:43] Benste, no i was just googling on vaio in ubuntu and found this: https://launchpad.net/~sony-vaio-z-series [17:44] benste, try an older kernel image [17:47] jaapz: vaio z's main problem is related to the pre nvidia optimus technology they're using, my vaio doesn't have anything special except the combination of Vaio FNs and Nvidia card which is the badest one i know on the market [17:47] at least for linux [17:48] philsf: i don't know whether it's really kernel realted, i remember having a package in lucid and pre called sony-laptop [17:48] this one use to enable the keys [17:48] jaapz: I'll report a new bug against X and ask the Zseries list for help on this one too [17:49] benste, my lucid install had functioning Fn keys with the first kernels, then an upgrade took away most of the Fn keys (this included volume and sleep) [17:50] benste, I'm almost sure it was a kernel upgrade, but it might be someting else. just tipping you in the direction I might look [17:50] philsf: strange thing, my lucid one is still working [17:50] s/might/would/ [17:50] benste, it does relate to the kernel, as the sony-laptop package just installed some modules, or modified, or whatever [17:50] philsf: did you open a bug report ? [17:50] benste, yes, but as you said, asus and sony use different quirks. I just assumed all of those are controlled by the kernel [17:51] benste, I didn't bother, since none of my missing Fn keys were critical [17:59] leeb9972: I am not very well versed with dual monitors. I have been using two monitors at the same time using the program xrandr. Did you try xrandr? [17:59] Hello, I'm dealing the problem of tray icons in maverick [17:59] xchat,skype and other programs close to 'tray' which is somehow not displayed [18:00] and I have to manually close them by 'killall' [18:00] hello [18:00] i am awesome [18:00] lol [18:01] anyone? [18:13] hello ubuntu+1: i'm testing out netbook ubuntu 10.10 and the unity interface is wicked slow...i'm googling but was wondering if this was a currnet known issue [18:14] someone really most definitively killed off i915 driver load for i855-xorg [18:15] Beta version i915 works just fine, latest update i915 is totally disabled [18:15] someone forgot to leave a window open for i8xx chipsets with patch * debian/patches/206_intel_8xx_default_to_fbdev.patch: [18:15] m1ke_l: Unity is in beta. It also probably uses Clutter. So yes, it's slow. What are your hardware specs? [18:15] anyone know how i can get dual monitors set up on 10.10, i have ati card [18:15] i totally agree and understand that, honestly do. this is a netbook atom n2790 cpu [18:15] in the meanwhile the beta disc i855 was allready working perfectlty, and did not seem to need a blacklisting [18:15] gnome runs just fine, which points to a unity "issue" [18:16] leeb: maybe system > preferences > monitor [18:16] *leeb9972: ^ [18:16] doh! lol, thank you ..... [18:18] thanks andycc, i'll just mark it up as "beta" software and try again in a few weeks [18:23] my sound device is not working. can someone help? [18:26] :) [18:27] hello! my printing no longer works after upgrading to maverick. is there a simple way to report this to launchpad? "printing" does see my printer, but trying to print a job leaves it in "processing" mode forever. [18:30] is anyone also getting the same problem with tray icons? [18:30] DoubleString: what problem? [18:30] !sound [18:30] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [18:31] on 10.04, XChat, Skype and Evolution had their tray icons, now upgraded, there's no more tray icons [18:31] AND when I close them, they don't close themselves, therefore need killall them [18:31] do you have the system tray applet on your panel? [18:31] !sound | uzi__ [18:31] uzi__, please see my private message [18:33] Slasher`, you mean notification area? yes [18:33] yeah, sorry [18:34] if you have, then i can't help you, sorry... but always worth checking anyway [18:34] I am having some issue with Xcat sound notification ... It is not working @ my place and it is giving an error msg as failed to read the file .. Presently I am on ubuntu 10.10 beta version .. Any help on this regard would be of great help .. Thanks in advance [18:35] !sound | Ranjan [18:35] Ranjan: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [18:36] uzi__: sound is working with charm but this xchat sound notification is not working [18:36] Hello. I have an Issue. While I tried to make my Live USB, The startup disk creator worked fine. But when I booted from It, It shows Boot Error. Any suggestions [18:38] hey [18:39] Ranjan: you tried playing the sound you chose at settings->preferences-> sound ? [18:39] something strange is going on since the update i got yesterday, my wireless icon is now on the right side of the OFF button instead of the left side of the clock [18:39] how can i correct that? [18:40] Mohan_chml: yes [18:40] Ranjan: Is it playing there? [18:40] Mohan_chml: no [18:41] you can see the play option in bottom right. Try it and If you are using 2.8.6, then there will be an issue I think and It has nothing to do with Ubuntu sound =] [18:41] Tetsuo55: right click -> unlock -> move left side of the OFF button [18:41] *move to [18:42] Mohan_chml: It is showing an pop-up window gaving an msg as cannot read sound file [18:42] uzi__: rightclick gives me a list of connection options instead of the usual panel options [18:42] Ranjan: probably the notification audio file is missing. [18:42] Ranjan: then It has the error in opening the sound files location. let me version you [18:43] Wow. you are using 2.8.8 [18:43] Tetsuo55: do u see three small dashes before the wireless icon? [18:43]