[00:11] <doctormo> nhandler: No manual entry for man.
[02:15] <doctormo> I dislike git SO much, how unsable is it's UI
[02:15] <doctormo> unusable*
[02:20] <nhandler> doctormo: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man1/man.1posix.html
[02:25] <JanC> nhandler: there's also man(7)  ;)
[02:32] <nhandler> :)
[02:32] <nhandler> 45
[03:11] <paultag> doctormo, git is super usable
[03:11] <paultag> doctormo, just take your time and learn it :)
[03:20] <pleia2> good documentation for it is difficult to find, I <3 bzr because it has such amazing documentation with pretty pictures
[03:22] <pleia2> I seem to recall git magic being pretty good
[03:22] <nhandler> bzr is not perfect. I tried playing around with pre-commit hooks, and it was a pita
[03:23] <pleia2> I still love svn, but that's because I don't tend to work on big projects and I have bash scripts of awesomeness built around bits of it ;)
[03:26]  * nigelb blinks
[03:26] <nigelb> pleia2: svn fan? ohgodno
[03:37] <nigelb> doctormo: +1 on git.  paultag and I have been doing awesome stuff on it independently :)
[03:38] <paultag> +1
[03:39] <paultag> nigelb, git rules my socks.
[03:41] <nigelb> mine too ;)
[03:41] <nigelb> nowadays, I type git status on bzr branches :p
[03:41] <nigelb> And I also realized that its not just me, which is conforting
[03:43] <paultag> +1
[03:43] <paultag> Oh shiz nigelb
[03:43] <paultag> nigelb, I wrote tons of git tools I never told you about
[03:44]  * nigelb kicks paultag 
[03:44] <paultag> nigelb, they're for doing branch reviews
[03:44] <paultag> nigelb, it works really really really well
[03:44] <paultag> nigelb, and even caches the branch tarball and stuff. It's allowed me to work about 200x faster without crossing branches
[03:44] <nigelb> wow
[03:44] <paultag> nigelb, check it out -- let's take this to PM
[07:34] <ara> morning all!
[08:08] <kim0> morning folks o/
[08:08] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:08] <dpm> morning kim0
[08:09] <kim0> dpm: morning man
[08:09] <dpm> hey :)
[09:21] <popey> Yay! It's only 9AM and I've already been called Hitler this morning.
[09:26] <dpm> popey, some people just start with a coffe, but that's something else
[09:26] <dpm> anyway, good morning :)
[09:27] <popey> morning!
[09:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:04] <njm> Hey Guys, since I updated my Ubuntu 10.04 Remix on my netbook, my 3G USB Dongle doesn't work anymore...  It says: waiting for usb device to settle in dmesg.  Any ideas?
[10:19] <vish> hmm , the UDS sessions tracks seem confusing! or is it just me! o.0
[10:20] <vish> the community track seems clear though ;p
[10:24] <czajkowski> vish: where?
[10:24] <czajkowski> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ nothing there
[10:26] <vish> czajkowski: the "tracks" are confusing.. last time , it was easier as desktop/design/community/..
[10:27] <vish> this now seems like a huge mixedbag , and anything can be among those tracks..
[10:27] <czajkowski> oh it seems they are changing things around thistime
[10:27] <czajkowski> I remember mdz doing a lot of feedback from uds last time
[10:27] <vish> hardware compatibility can be related to desktop/server..
[10:27] <czajkowski> this must be the result
[10:28] <vish> hehe , not sure if others understand better though ;)
[10:28] <vish> now where can a design bp go! ..
[10:29] <vish> ivanka isnt even a track lead, is there no design track this time?
[10:29] <vish> development process can be the largest collection, everything can be in that one  ;p
[11:57] <doctormo> paultag: As far as git's UI goes, it doesn't have good suitable defaults, you can tell an expectant underdeveloped CLI when action commands have no context ability.
[11:58] <doctormo> paultag: For instance it should be possible to say (in some way) bzr go-back-one, but it isn't, because those sorts of shortcuts are considered superfluous to programmers, but good additions for designers.
[12:35] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:37] <doctormo> hey duanedesign, all booked?
[12:42] <duanedesign> doctormo: am doing it this morning. Is their anything else i need to do as far as accomodations?
[12:42] <doctormo> duanedesign: The deadline is the 26th, be available on sunday and make sure you have enough money in paypal etc to push to me.
[12:43] <duanedesign> doctormo: ok. How much will that be?
[12:44] <doctormo> duanedesign: Hopefully ~$180-$200, we'll have to see.
[13:30] <jcastro> yo
[13:32] <doctormo> morning jcastro
[14:11] <kim0> morning jcastro
[14:15] <popey> lo dinda
[14:15] <dinda> howdy popey
[14:17] <dinda> popey et al:  do you know of any schools using Ubuntu/edubuntu?
[14:17] <popey> http://opensourceschools.org.uk/award-winning-open-source-notre-dame-high-school.html
[14:18] <popey> http://opensourceschools.org.uk/alton-convent-low-cost-computer-suite.html
[14:18] <popey> etc
[14:18] <popey> :)
[14:18] <AlanBell> Bishops Fox school
[14:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:19] <dinda> sweet - thanks!
[14:23] <czajkowski> I do love productive lunches
[14:23] <czajkowski> planning next conference before this one is even over
[14:25] <dinda> AlanBell: where is Bishops Fox located?
[14:26] <AlanBell> Taunton I think it is
[14:27] <AlanBell> A303, past StoneHenge, keep going for flippin ages
[14:27] <popey> "South west england" :)
[14:28] <AlanBell> almost to daviey's place I think
[14:33] <dinda> popey: that Notre Dame school even does bespoke ICt consulting for 500 pounds/day
[14:34] <dinda> not a bad way to raise funds for your school
[14:36] <popey> wow
[14:37] <dinda> http://www.notredame-high.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=280&Itemid=201
[14:39] <czajkowski> impressive
[14:40] <cjohnston> jcastro: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/633515
[14:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 633515 in summit "Support white space in track names (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[14:45] <popey> uhoh dinda has been got by the twitter virus
[14:45] <dinda> popey: yeah, was trying to follow paulhaigh of notre dame school and all heck broke loose
[14:45] <czajkowski> happened me earlier on as well
[14:45] <popey> you're not alone, many people have been got by it
[14:45] <dinda> popey: how do i kill it?
[14:45] <popey> pas
[14:45] <popey> *pass
[14:45] <czajkowski> had to use gwibber and not use web
[14:46] <czajkowski> but gwibber is acting up so...
[14:46] <popey> it only affects you if you use the website
[14:46] <popey> ah, there is an easy fix
[14:46] <popey> http://mobile.twitter.com/
[14:46] <popey> use that instead
[14:46] <popey> and delete the offending tweet
[14:46] <popey> and then stay away from twitter.com until its all fixed
[14:46] <czajkowski> gotcha
[14:46] <jcastro> popey: does that autorefresh?
[14:47] <popey> does what autorefresh?
[14:47] <jcastro> that mobile twitter
[14:47] <popey> dunno
[14:47] <jcastro> http://seesmic.com/app is what I use
[14:47] <czajkowski> jcastro: ello ello
[14:47] <jcastro> czajkowski: hi2u
[14:47] <popey> jcastro: keep using seesmic
[14:48] <jcastro> I love it
[14:48] <jcastro> stick it in app mode = for the win
[14:48] <popey> :)
[14:48] <czajkowski> jcastro: want any more info added t the uds pages?
[14:48] <jcastro> it's all looking good!
[14:48] <jcastro> popey: I've been all webapp for 2 months
[14:48] <czajkowski> jcastro: asked itnet7 to give me some info on local info so waiting to add that.
[14:48] <jcastro> except for one, banshee
[14:48] <jcastro> czajkowski: yeah I suspect the local stuff won't fill out until right before
[14:49] <czajkowski> yup
[14:49] <czajkowski> and I've added the page for people to add their arrival departures but I dont think people are using the wiki, which was the idea but folks wanted the page, *shrugs*
[14:49] <jcastro> everyone smile for my screenshot!
[14:49] <popey> :D
[14:50] <popey>    ____
[14:50] <popey>  _|  _ \
[14:50] <popey> (_) | | |
[14:50] <popey>  _| |_| |
[14:50] <popey> (_)____/
[14:50] <popey>          
[14:51] <czajkowski> :)
[14:52] <jcastro> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/screenshot_002.png
[14:52] <jcastro> behold
[14:52] <popey> bah
[14:53] <popey> stupid irc client
[14:53] <popey> does seesmic do identica?
[14:53] <jcastro> that irc client is all web
[14:53] <popey> ahhhhh
[14:53] <jcastro> "built in screen"
[14:53] <jcastro> 0 work on my part
[14:53] <popey> interesting!
[14:53] <czajkowski> nice layout
[14:54] <jcastro> it has problems, I'm more helping the guy by giving feedback
[14:54] <jcastro> overflow of channels sucks for example, see the >>
[14:54] <jcastro> but he's making good progress,  enough for me to seriously not /need/ irssi
[14:54] <jcastro> though it can be painful sometimes
[14:55] <popey> :)
[14:55] <popey> not sure I could switch away from irssi
[14:55] <jcastro> it's painful
[14:56] <czajkowski> jcastro: in what way ?
[14:56] <jcastro> I am wired for irssi
[14:56] <dinda> czajkowski: you heard of this group:  http://www.educatetogether.ie
[14:56] <jcastro> but this has some nice features, it inlines pictures for example
[14:57] <czajkowski> dinda: nooooo
[14:58] <dinda> czajkowski: looks like they helped this school set up an edubuntu lab:  http://opensourceschools.org.uk/node/729
[14:59] <czajkowski> interesting
[14:59] <czajkowski> I'll be ginving some talks soon to the one in Limerick
[14:59] <czajkowski> kids are older
[14:59] <czajkowski> about Ubuntu and how I got involved, how they can
[14:59] <czajkowski> what they can do etc
[15:00] <dinda> czajkowski: in Ireland do computers come with MS pre-installed? or do you have to buy the OS separately?
[15:01] <czajkowski> pre installed with MS on them
[15:01] <popey> you can get some naked in the uk
[15:01] <popey> AlanBell setup a website to list them http://nakedcomputers.org/
[15:02] <AlanBell> I did
[15:02] <dinda> czajkowski: nice on the talk.  if you happen to take any nice pics please post them
[15:02] <czajkowski> dinda: will do.  I did 3 talks last year in colleges, so hoping to try and do the same this time around
[15:02] <AlanBell> kind of lost interest in that project after getting a bit of a kicking about the logo
[15:02] <czajkowski> running next conference in May in UL so hoping to get the limerick school using Ubuntu at it
[15:03] <dinda> czajkowski: nice!
[15:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: meh logo was fine, but there are always gonna be people who see an issue with it.
[15:03] <czajkowski> dinda: you should come! education and ubuntu :D
[15:03] <czajkowski> dinda: I may even be able to get you sponsored.....
[15:03] <dinda> czajkowski: believe me, I'm working on it!
[15:03] <czajkowski> dinda: last weekend in May is waht I'm working at now
[15:03] <dinda> czajkowski: you have a website for the event?
[15:03] <czajkowski> this was just decided at lunch time
[15:04] <czajkowski> dinda: atm ossbarcamp.com will have info on this weekends event, but I clear it down shortly afterwards for the next one
[15:04] <jcastro> maco: around?
[15:04] <dinda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Conferences
[15:05] <czajkowski> dinda: ahhh
[15:05] <maco> jcastro: yep, just got online
[15:05] <maco> did i break something?
[15:05] <dinda> I'm gathering up all the potential places we might want to make an appearance or sponsor someone to talk
[15:05] <jcastro> maco: we're trying to get people to vote more on SE, as in, vote up good questions, just passing the word around.
[15:05] <maco> ahok
[15:05] <czajkowski> dinda: Limerick is nice in May :D
[15:05] <czajkowski> dinda: plus you know you want to come to Ireland
[15:05] <dinda> czajkowski: I've always wanted to visit Ireland
[15:06] <czajkowski> this is a good  reason...
[15:06] <czajkowski> you should put plans in motion :D
[15:06] <dinda> czajkowski: I grew up in an Irish Catholic school, know more Irish folks songs than Spanish!
[15:06] <czajkowski> I also need to sort out some speakers in Limerick over the next coming moths for my old uni
[15:06] <czajkowski> dinda: ahh yes :) I went to school with nuns
[15:07] <czajkowski> scarey and nice people at the same time
[15:07]  * AlanBell will book a family holiday to Co. Clare for last week in May
[15:08] <czajkowski> see cogs are now in motion
[15:08] <czajkowski> bringing it up tonight at AGM which is also during loco council meeting.
[15:41] <jussi> czajkowski: Ive been chatting to my dad about putting together a "Loco pack" or so for loco's and other unitis looking for a promotional pack of printed goods with their loco name on it (at an affordable price). do you think this would be useful?
[15:46] <czajkowski> yeah could be
[15:47] <czajkowski> sometimes folks get really cheap deals locally
[15:47] <czajkowski> and i giess it'll depend on what's in it tbh
[15:59] <jono> hey all
[15:59] <jono> dpm, all set?
[16:00] <dpm> jono, can you give me 2 min to save the documentation with the portal proposal on the wiki?
[16:00] <jono> dpm, sure
[16:00] <dpm> thanks, nearly done
[16:02] <dpm> jono, ok, all set
[16:02] <jono> dpm, cool
[16:11] <nigelb> jussi: ahem, the "affordable" varies.
[16:11] <nigelb> Things are cheaper for us here rather than get it printed somewhere else
[16:19] <jono> kim0, hey
[16:19] <kim0> jono: hey
[16:19] <jono> any more updates from IS re. the Cloud Portal?
[16:20] <kim0> jono: well I'm just fixing the ami viewer which is currently broken, once done, I'll bug them today
[16:20] <jono> kim0, thanks
[16:20] <jono> kim0, also, please go and add to the 11.04 plan which portal work actions you would like to do in 11.04
[16:21] <jono> kim0, think about what new work could benefit the portal
[16:21] <kim0> aye aye
[16:21] <jono> to do this I would like you to reach out to Scott Moser, Dustin and Daviey to see what they think should be done
[16:22] <kim0> jono: sounds good
[16:22] <jono> kim0, I reviewed the other elements you put in there, they look good
[16:23] <jono> when you have added the portal additions lets hop on the phone and review it
[16:23] <jono> later this week
[16:23] <kim0> jono: sure ..
[16:25] <jono> cheers kim0
[16:48] <jono> ara, czajkowski, around?
[16:48] <czajkowski> I am indeed
[16:49] <czajkowski> jono: sup?
[16:49] <jono> I want to do a review of our existing resources and how easy it is to get involved (more on this is coming in a blog), but would you be happy to be one of the people involved in leading this assessment, and focusing on LoCos?
[16:49] <czajkowski> sure
[16:49] <jono> thanks
[16:49] <jono> more details forthcoming
[16:49] <jono> I would like to have someone else involved in LoCos to help, maybe paultag?
[16:49] <czajkowski> sure
[16:49] <jono> paultag, happy to help?
[16:49] <czajkowski> if he can with college
[16:51] <ara> jono, hello?
[16:52] <jono> ara, hey!
[16:52] <jono> ara, I want to do a review of our existing resources and how easy it is to get involved (more on this is coming in a blog), but would you be happy to be one of the people involved in leading this assessment, and focusing on QA and how people can help with bug triage?
[16:53] <ara> jono, sure, count me in
[16:53] <jono> ara, awesome, is there someone in the community who you think would be interested in helping with this?
[16:53] <jono> on the QA side
[16:53] <jono> I pref want two people for each area to focus on it
[16:54] <jono> kim0, I want you to do the same for the Sever community, is that OK?
[16:54] <ara> jono, for testing, charlie-tca, for bug triaging, kamusin?
[16:55] <jono> ara, do you think kamusin would be interested in helping?
[16:55] <ara> we need to ask :)
[16:55] <jono> ara, would you mind asking?
[16:55] <jono> that is Victor, right?
[16:55]  * kim0 reading
[16:56] <jono> dpm, I would like you to do this for the translations community
[16:56] <jono>  a review of our existing resources and how easy it is to get involved (more on this is coming in a blog)
[16:56] <kim0> jono: generally sounds ok .. perhaps more info in our call
[16:56] <jono> kim0, yup
[16:56] <jono> going to be blogging about it today
[16:57] <kim0> cool
[16:57] <ara> yes, that's victor
[16:57] <jono> doctormo, fancy helping with this to assess the art community?
[16:57] <ara> I guess it all depends on the kind of task
[16:57]  * kim0 now afk 
[16:57] <jono> thanks kim0
[16:58]  * doctormo is catching up
[16:58] <jono> ara, it won't be a lot of work
[16:58] <dpm> jono, sure. When do you need it? Would tomorrow be ok?
[16:58] <jono> I basically want us to (a) assess what the on-ramp is for our communities, (b) how easy it is to get involved (c) how easy it is to find help, and (d) what improvements we need to make
[16:58] <ara> jono, are you only interesting in bug triaging?
[16:58] <jono> dpm, no, not yet, thanks though
[16:59] <jono> dpm, I will mail out with a schedule
[16:59] <dpm> jono, ok, cool
[16:59] <jono> ara, I think all of QA might be ok too
[16:59] <jono> ara, lets do quality in general
[16:59] <jono> I will send a mail to everyone with details of the plan
[16:59] <jono> it will be coupled with a blog
[16:59] <ara> jono, sounds good
[16:59] <Pendulum> jono: can I make a suggestion that you ask someone on the doc team for input? They're one of the teams that for new comers tends to feel like it has a higher barrier of entry (at least in my experience)
[17:00] <jono> Pendulum, that is on my list too :)
[17:00] <doctormo> jono: You need an assessment of the art community? which one? users, contributors or marketers?
[17:00] <jono> Pendulum, who do you think would be two good people to lead the docs team effort?
[17:00] <jono> doctormo, anyone who wants to participate
[17:00] <maco> Pendulum: where higher barrier to entry is like a fortress wall?
[17:00] <jono> doctormo, I am going to send details about how this will work, but are you happy to lead it?
[17:00] <Pendulum> maco: something like that. :P
[17:01] <doctormo> jono: Sure, you have my bow.
[17:01] <jono> doctormo, thanks
[17:01] <jono> my devious plan is coming together :-)
[17:01] <czajkowski> jono: you're on fire aren't you today
[17:01] <jono> now if only I could cancel all these phone calls to actually do some work
[17:01] <jono> czajkowski, heh, we will see :-)
[17:02] <czajkowski> jono: clearly older wiser ... :p
[17:02] <Pendulum> jono: probably mdke (who has been around a while) and maybe starcraftman (sightly newer and also involved in beginners team so will have a sense of how newbies see stuff)
[17:03] <jono> thanks Pendulum
[17:12] <doctormo> jono: Your quotes are too easy to get creative with: http://imagebin.ca/view/OXURHX.html
[17:14] <jono> doctormo, lol
[17:43] <vish> popey: i think you might need to tickle jfo, into looking at the PrtSc bug ;)
[17:43] <vish> too many kernel bugs..
[18:28] <nigelb> ok, so dholbach is still alive and yes he can survive without internet apparently: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs670.snc4/61062_1396153112840_1502583932_30893202_5982730_n.jpg
[18:36] <jcastro> his hair looks great!
[18:51] <popey> vish: good call!
[19:34] <nigelb> jcastro: heh, totally!
[19:35] <jcastro> hey vish
[19:35] <jcastro> did we ever talk about fonts?
[19:35] <jcastro> like packaging all those freely available fonts from google?
[19:36] <vish> jcastro: nope.. i dont recall that.
[19:36] <jcastro> I believe we were both interested in finding someone to do that, but I don't recall the details of our conversation
[19:36] <vish> wasnt me.. :)
[19:37] <jcastro> ok
[19:37] <jcastro> if you happen to run into a font conversation with someone who wants to help send them to me. :p
[19:38] <vish> sure thing! :)
[19:41] <vish> jcastro: when can we start filing blueprints?
[19:41] <vish> are the tracks final? i cant find a design track..
[19:47] <sense> good evening
[19:47] <vish> how to get a  http://art.ubuntu.com/  like  http://qa.ubuntu.com/  ?
[19:48] <vish> almost every community team has a link on ubuntu.com ..
[20:01] <sense> vish: WordPress and theme ripoff!
[20:01] <vish> sense: hehe! i dint mean theme , but the u.c addy :)
[20:02] <sense> vish: In that case, ask the sysadmins real nice, I think.
[20:41] <jcastro> hey sense
[20:41] <sense> hi jcastro!
[20:43] <sense> How're you doing?
[20:43] <jcastro> good good
[20:44] <sense> great
[20:57] <jcastro> jono: I'm ready whenevs
[20:59] <jono> jcastro, do we have a call?
[20:59] <jono> nothing in my calendar
[20:59] <jcastro> don't we always have a call EOD for me tuesdays?
[21:00] <jcastro> it used to be my "strategic thinking mentorship" call or something
[21:00] <jono> no we canceled them
[21:00] <jono> remember?
[21:00] <cjohnston> lol
[21:00] <jcastro> I am totally ok with that!
[21:00] <jono> I don't think we need two calls a week
[21:00]  * jcastro goes to do something else before he gets assigned something
[21:00] <jono> particularly as we get on the phone when we need to
[21:00] <jono> don't need the mentoring calls now I am not thinking about firing you
[21:00] <jono> j/k
[21:00] <jono> :-)
[21:01] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLO_CrZRmM
[21:01] <jcastro> I love the way the guy says "you are fired!"
[21:02] <jono> hah
[21:02] <maco> jono: youve stopped thinking and have decided?
[21:03] <cjohnston> ouch
[21:03] <jono> maco, heh, not quite
[21:13] <doctormo> jcastro: Not as good as Back to the Future, the way to fire someone is with a million fax machines around their house.
[21:23] <highvoltage> hey vish, how are things?
[21:23] <humphreybc> hurro
[21:23] <AlanBell> humphreybc: o/
[21:23] <humphreybc> AlanBell: so who were you talking with?
[21:23] <AlanBell> oh all sorts
[21:24] <humphreybc> okay
[21:24] <AlanBell> so we discussed the other day that humphreybc's OMG feed would techincally be eligible for the planet.ubuntu.com aggregator
[21:24] <AlanBell> it being posts from an Ubuntu member about Ubuntu
[21:24] <vish> highvoltage: heya
[21:25] <AlanBell> so tell us what you think humphreybc
[21:25] <humphreybc> sure
[21:25] <humphreybc> so
[21:25] <vish> highvoltage: just a few getting things sorted out still.. you guys should try to think of the direction you want..
[21:25] <humphreybc> instead of having two planet feeds, which would be weird
[21:25] <humphreybc> I figured I could just replace my current planet feed with my OMG! feed
[21:25] <vish> argh!
[21:25] <humphreybc> then i'll probably shut down my personal WP blog
[21:26] <humphreybc> as there isn't much point for it anymore, any personal stuff unrelated to Ubuntu I can blog at my website
[21:26] <highvoltage> vish: *nod* I'm collating ideas and messages and makeing sense of it all
[21:26] <humphreybc> so I simply have to change the feed from whatever it is now to this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/author/humphreybc/
[21:27] <AlanBell> on a technical level http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/author/humphreybc/feed goes to the wrong place
[21:27] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:27] <humphreybc> let me figure that out
[21:27] <sense> humphreybc: Does that imply you see OMG!Ubuntu! as a personal blog, rather than a news platform?
[21:27] <humphreybc> sense: nope?
[21:28] <vish> well , humphreybc has been pretty clear the OMG comments do not apply to COC and that OMG is not restricted by the COC..
[21:28] <vish> not sure why this is being done :/
[21:28] <sense> humphreybc: Just curious, because Planet Ubuntu used to be person based (before the Design Team was aggregated) and I thought that was its purpose.
[21:28] <AlanBell> the code of conduct applies to people, not places
[21:29] <humphreybc> I would argue that OMG! is part of the community, like it or not, and I'm an ubuntu member
[21:29] <humphreybc> sense: we're not aggregating OMG! Ubuntu!
[21:29] <czajkowski> humphreybc: taking that attitude doesnt help
[21:29] <humphreybc> we're aggregating my particular feed
[21:29] <humphreybc> czajkowski: what attitude? Simply stating facts
[21:29] <vish> humphreybc: its not that its not part of the community but when you highlight ridiculous comments its gets to be pretty obnoxious at times
[21:29] <sense> humphreybc: I see that, but that is still a selection from the posts of OMG!Ubuntu!, not your personal musings.
[21:30] <AlanBell> Ben has signed the CoC so it applies to what he writes at all times
[21:30] <czajkowski> humphreybc: like it or not.... comments is not really polite tbh
[21:30] <highvoltage> sense: planet ubuntu is supposed to be a window into the the world of the developers that work on ubuntu
[21:30] <sense> highvoltage: I hope more people than just developers.:)
[21:30] <vish> highvoltage: would you highlight or delete silly obnoxious comments?
[21:30] <vish> on your blog ?
[21:30] <highvoltage> sense: indeed!
[21:30] <sense> I don't think that the CoC should apply to comments written by other people on your blog.
[21:31] <humphreybc> anyway, we have moderators too
[21:31] <humphreybc> it's not like there is any swearing
[21:31] <vish> sense: its does not have to apply , but it does matter when one is trying to gather them
[21:31] <sense> I just think that it would be a bad signal to other news blogs to include this one on the Planet, allowing it to reach a very wide audience, simply because one of the authors is an Ubuntu member.
[21:31] <humphreybc> and we try to keep the sexist, racist, etc comments down (although Nixie's posts seem to generate them pretty quickly)
[21:31] <highvoltage> well, humphreybc is an ubuntu member, so he signed the CoC and it thereby implies to all ubuntu activities he conducts himself in
[21:31] <sense> What if Ryan Paul would aggregate his posts on Ars on the Planet?
[21:31] <humphreybc> sense: Isn't full circle magazine or some other news site on the planet?
[21:32] <sense> humphreybc: Not sure, but if it is I'm against that.
[21:32] <pleia2> akgraner links her ubuntu user blog, so it's not like humphreybc's proposal is anything new
[21:32] <vish> highvoltage: but he flirts with COC when he is at OMG.. thats the whole point..
[21:32] <highvoltage> humphreybc: swearing is only offensive to old people these days, you can do a lot worse
[21:32] <humphreybc> pleia2: that's the one
[21:32] <AlanBell> sense: it would be a *great* signal to other news outlets that if they want to be on planet ubuntu they have to become members!
[21:32] <pleia2> as long as posts abide by the CoC, I don't see a problem with it
[21:32] <sense> pleia2: The thing is, that is her Ubuntu User BLOG, not her feed of articles written for tha magazine, right.
[21:32] <pleia2> (we all have problems with comments, I've had some pretty exceptional ones on some of my posts)
[21:33] <highvoltage> AlanBell: heh!
[21:33] <pleia2> sense: ubuntu user is a magazine, she writes the blog for the magazine
[21:33] <pleia2> they may not end up in print, but that's what it is
[21:33] <sense> Planet Ubuntu should be a window into the world of people working on Ubuntu. You can say what you want about who is and isn't a part of the community, but covering Ubuntu news is not a contribution to the Ubuntu thing.
[21:33] <vish> sense: ++
[21:33] <highvoltage> we have the fridge for news anyway.
[21:33] <sense> I was just going to say that.
[21:34] <sense> We've got the Fridge for in-communtiy news.
[21:34] <humphreybc> sense: so you believe that OMG! Ubuntu! isn't helping the community?
[21:34] <sense> Outside coverage is excellent, very welcome, but should be independent.
[21:34] <highvoltage> (which has some problems but it's being revamped anyway)
[21:34] <vish> AlanBell: several times this has been mentioned that they can contribute to fridge..
[21:34] <sense> it does help the community, but it is not a part of the direct communtiy of people working on Ubuntu.
[21:34] <pleia2> humphreybc: you're welcome to ask the community council if there is a problem with inclusion, but I don't see one
[21:34] <vish> humphreybc: it would be wrong to say that OMG does not help, but it has its pit falls , which you actively try to protect
[21:35] <humphreybc> sense: How do you define the "direct community?"
[21:35] <humphreybc> isn't that exclusion?
[21:35] <AlanBell> I think there have been changes, the moderation at OMG ubuntu has certainly improved the comments
[21:35] <pleia2> AlanBell: *nod*
[21:35] <humphreybc> we -do- have a code of conduct too
[21:36] <nigelb> technically, we can't oppose tbh
[21:36] <nigelb> you're well within planet rules to add your feed
[21:36] <sense> humphreybc: You cannot include everyone who uses Ubuntu in the community of people who contribute to building Ubuntu. OMG!Ubuntu! is not a service from the people working on Ubuntu, but a independent news service, which happens to have some people writing for it who are also contributing to Ubuntu in a (more) direct manner.
[21:36] <highvoltage> yep, if humphreybc applied the CoC to those posts, then there's no reason why they can't be included
[21:36] <pleia2> sense: that statement is terribly confusing
[21:36] <vish> nigelb: technically its cant!
[21:36] <AlanBell> and OMG ubuntu is reaching a wide and somewhat mainstream audience, that audience has to be *part* of the community and we have to bring it in rather than push it away
[21:36] <sense> If we'd allow humphreybc's OMG!Ubuntu! posts, then Ryan Paul's Ars technica posts should be allowed too if he wants too.
[21:37] <pleia2> AlanBell: I agree :)
[21:37] <AlanBell> sense: I see no issue with that
[21:37] <AlanBell> sense: has that request been denied?
[21:37] <highvoltage> whoops, s/applied/applies/g
[21:37] <pleia2> no such request has been made AFAIK
[21:37] <vish> AlanBell: isnt planet blog an aggregate of ubuntu members or ubuntu teams?
[21:37] <AlanBell> vish: yes
[21:37] <sense> The thing is, that are news sites, not personal blogs. You don't write there because you feel like blogging about something, or want to show the rest of the community what you've beenw orking on, but because something happened and you want to cover the story.
[21:37] <sense> If you want to even approach something you call journalism you need independecy.
[21:37] <maco> i never had the impression when writing for any of the handful of other blogs ive written for that i could include posts from them on planet
[21:37] <czajkowski> so are we now allowing businesses to add their blogs to planet ubuntu ?
[21:38] <pleia2> we've even welcome the FSF posts about ubuntu on the planet so long as there is a member taking care of them (FSF doesn't have ubuntu posts, it turns out, but we are open to it)
[21:38] <AlanBell> czajkowski: like my one?
[21:38] <maco> if i thought they were relevant, i would make a post on my aggregated blog with an "oh by the way.... <link>"
[21:38] <highvoltage> sense: OMG!Ubuntu is really much closer to a collaborative blog than a 'news site'
[21:38] <vish> AlanBell: isntOMGUbutnu part of OHSO a business oriented site?
[21:38] <sense> highvoltage: There is a company behind it, I believe.
[21:38] <pleia2> czajkowski: we've been allowing businesses for about a year, there is a whole procedure for addition
[21:38] <pleia2> czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu#Corporate Blogs
[21:38] <humphreybc> vish: It's part of a network, sure.
[21:38] <AlanBell> vish: yes and theopensourcerer.com is the blog associated with theopenlearningcentre.com
[21:38] <czajkowski> pleia2: yes and are omg going to ask for their feed under humphreybc to be added
[21:39] <AlanBell> my /author/alanbell feed is syndicated to the planet
[21:39] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye did you go through the corporate blogs?
[21:39]  * vish reads more about that..
[21:39] <pleia2> czajkowski: I invited him to ask the CC above
[21:39] <AlanBell> czajkowski: nope
[21:39] <humphreybc> "Planet Ubuntu is not only a window to the world of individuals who contribute to Ubuntu, it is also a place for companies."
[21:39] <humphreybc> there are some guidelines
[21:39] <czajkowski> AlanBell: then you probabvly should then as well
[21:39] <sense> Who changed that? That sounds horrible.
[21:39] <maco> sense: its how dell ended up on the blog
[21:39] <maco> er on planet
[21:39] <vish> why were DELL blogs stopped?
[21:39] <nigelb> some technical problem
[21:39] <highvoltage> sense: ask jono about it, I believe he was involved
[21:39] <vish> oh! they are back?
[21:40] <pleia2> vish: the feed broke and started sending non-ubuntu stuff accidentally :\
[21:40] <nigelb> remember we got flodded?
[21:40] <AlanBell> yeah, but those are for corporate blogs with non-members contributing
[21:40] <maco> i thought it was a social reason
[21:40] <sense> I think that non-human entitities have no place on Planet Ubuntu.
[21:40] <maco> like them promoting their windows systems on planet constantly
[21:40] <nigelb> also, uupc is on planet
[21:40] <humphreybc> non advertising nature, check. subset of blog entries (mine) - check. Community council, we can ask. 3 month trial (sure), one ubuntu member (me) and sustained and active interest.
[21:40] <vish> humphreybc: what prevents you from posting on your own blog?
[21:40] <pleia2> humphreybc: yep
[21:40] <sense> There is commercial interest here.
[21:40] <popey> i removed dell from planet ubuntu
[21:40] <sense> There are ads on OMG!Ubuntu!.
[21:41] <vish> humphreybc: is this a promotional opportunity? of OHSO?
[21:41] <humphreybc> sense: not in the feed though
[21:41] <humphreybc> no
[21:41] <pleia2> sense: we don't have a problem with commercial entities
[21:41] <vish> s/of/for
[21:41] <pleia2> we want to be inclusive of companies who are using and promoting ubuntu, that's why corporate blogs are allowed
[21:41] <humphreybc> at the moment I have to post on two blogs if I want to post the same message to planet, and OMG! (example: Ubuntu Manual announcements)
[21:41] <popey> maco: the feed was broken
[21:41] <humphreybc> would be easier for me if I could just post on one
[21:41] <sense> humphreybc: You're using a news blog for personal announcements?
[21:42] <maco> hm in that case ought to poke markdude about za's blog
[21:42]  * maco thinks allowing corporate blogs was a bad idea to start with though
[21:42] <vish> maco: +1
[21:42] <sense> maco: +1
[21:42] <czajkowski> +1
[21:43] <highvoltage> sense: surely there's an element of self-promotion for omg!ubuntu! here, but there's no rule against it.
[21:43] <pleia2> maco: an ubuntu member needs to take "ownership" of the feed in case Something Goes Wrong (like dell), so if there is a person who is in a position to do that it'd be great to see zareason's blog up there
[21:43] <nigelb> I'd be interested in knowing what AlanBell comes up with like the recent tie with vtiger.  I'm sure there would be other use cases.
[21:43] <sense> Anyway, I really need to go now, see you all everybody!
[21:43] <nigelb> So coporate blogs isn't really that bad an idea.
[21:43] <highvoltage> nigelb: they're a good idea, if done right
[21:43] <humphreybc> As Ubuntu grows, you're probably going to have more stuff happening like this
[21:44] <maco> unfortunately
[21:44] <pleia2> I certainly understand the opposition to corporate blogs, I just don't agree, they are a vital part of our chasm-crossing strategy and it's nice that we have a way to show support for that
[21:44] <highvoltage> pffft
[21:45] <pleia2> yeah, you don't have to agree :)
[21:45]  * maco would lol if a red hatter became a member and got red hat's blog on planet
[21:45] <vish> heh!
[21:45] <highvoltage> pleia2: corporate blogs are now *vital* to our chasm-crossing strategy? yes, I'd like to disagree thanks :)
[21:45] <maco> (does rh have a blog?)
[21:45] <AlanBell> my understanding of the "corporate blogs" thing was it relates to members managing a team blog including non-members
[21:45] <vish> yeah , why not!
[21:45] <highvoltage> pleia2: nice, perhaps. vital? I don't think so!
[21:45] <pleia2> maco: there are restrictions outlined, they have to be ubuntu related somehow
[21:46] <nigelb> maco: hrm, there is already a fedro ambassador posting to planet
[21:46] <nigelb> *fedora*
[21:46] <AlanBell> an author feed from a member on a corporate blog isn't quite the same thing needing special approval
[21:46] <maco> AlanBell: if it was that, itd be ubuntu team blogs... like having a blog for the Ubuntu Accessibility Team or like how there is one for the Kubuntu blog
[21:46] <pleia2> AlanBell: yeah, I think we went a bit off-topic with this tangent
[21:47] <maco> highvoltage: i guess it depends what chasm you're trying to cross. i cant think of any chasms that involve businesses i'm intersted in
[21:47] <nigelb> humphreybc: will all your posts be tagged Ubuntu?
[21:47] <humphreybc> nigelb: ?
[21:47] <nigelb> Or only the personal level, contribution-related ones?
[21:47] <nigelb> humphreybc: tagged for the planet I mean
[21:47] <humphreybc> I think the plan that all of my posts would go to the planet
[21:47] <highvoltage> maco: I can't believe that there's any chasm that we want to cross that depends so vitally on companies blogging!
[21:48] <vish> humphreybc: why is it you dont want to blog in your personal blog.. is copy pasting too tough?  this just seems like trying to promote OMG!
[21:48] <maco> highvoltage: right well.. i generally figure blogging is for humans. what companies do is called a press release
[21:48] <AlanBell> nigelb: they are all about ubuntu
[21:48] <humphreybc> nigelb: but it's not a big deal to only grab certain tags
[21:48] <humphreybc> AlanBell: yeah, well it is an ubuntu blog :P
[21:48] <pleia2> highvoltage: I meant companies investing in, supporting and selling hardware with ubuntu are vital, including them in the community via the planet is us showing support
[21:48] <humphreybc> vish: my current personal blog just exists for posting stuff on the planet
[21:48] <pleia2> not that blogging is vital, of course it's not :)
[21:48] <highvoltage> maco: I think companies can blog just as much as humans can. they can have status updates, news on birthday parties, who got married, etc
[21:48] <humphreybc> seems dumb for me to have to post stuff twice just for a planet
[21:48] <vish> humphreybc: it did exist even before right?
[21:49] <popey> humphreybc: you seem to want it both ways, it _is_ an ubuntu blog, and it _isn't_ an ubuntu blog
[21:49] <vish> humphreybc: you cant OMG , sync from your feed?
[21:49] <humphreybc> vish: sure, but I didn't use it for much other than ubuntu
[21:49] <nigelb> humphreybc: I know, but I was wondering if all your posts would be coming or the specific ones related to UMP, etc were coming to planet, like the ones you have to now copy paste
[21:49] <highvoltage> pleia2: that's better :)
[21:49] <vish> why cant OMG..
[21:49] <popey> its an ubuntu blog enough that you can get on planet ubuntu, but its not ubuntu enough that people can get away with saying pretty disrespectful stuff
[21:49] <humphreybc> popey: we're used to it
[21:50] <humphreybc> example
[21:50] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/linux-conf-au-2011-schedule-released/
[21:50] <humphreybc> this post
[21:50] <vish> why i feel this would be a bad choice is, OMG!Ubuntu! a bad breeding place for misguided folks..  and humphreybc being a member is not trying to fix that but rather encourage that misguidedness ..
[21:50] <humphreybc> didn't post on my own blog, didn't hit planet ubuntu
[21:50] <humphreybc> I consider that sort of stuff quite Ubuntu community related?
[21:50] <highvoltage> I guess if it was up to me I'd let humphreybc add it and give him the benefit of the doubt. if he abuses it then it should just be removed.
[21:50] <pleia2> highvoltage: ditto
[21:50] <AlanBell> vish: so we need to provide guidance for misguided folks
[21:50] <pleia2> just like any other member blog
[21:50] <humphreybc> vish: "A bad breeding place for misguided folks" ?
[21:51] <nigelb> pleia2: +1
[21:51] <maco> so like the trial period for corporate blogs?
[21:51] <vish> humphreybc: yep.. you know it..
[21:51] <humphreybc> vish: I don't think so
[21:51] <humphreybc> If you mean the mainstream, then sure
[21:51] <pleia2> maco: no, we've had to remove some personal blogs that were problematic in the past
[21:51] <humphreybc> As Ubuntu grows you're going to have to learn to deal with more of these sort of people
[21:51] <humphreybc> nobody likes it
[21:51] <pleia2> members have guidelines too, they need to abide by the CoC to be on planet :)
[21:51] <humphreybc> but OMG! Ubuntu! is popular
[21:51] <AlanBell> I think humphreybc could do some great articles about how the OMG audience could contribute in more constructive ways
[21:51] <vish> humphreybc: what is Ubuntu?
[21:52] <vish> humphreybc: who makes Ubuntu?
[21:52] <humphreybc> ?
[21:52] <pleia2> AlanBell: yeah, that'd be great (or maybe WE can write them for omgubuntu, at least I have been invited to do a guest post)
[21:52] <vish> humphreybc: do you know that this is a community project or not..
[21:52] <maco> AlanBell: more constructive than ogling nixie?
[21:52] <pleia2> it reaches a great new audience
[21:52] <vish> humphreybc:  why do you say mention "Ubuntu Camp" and try to create segregation?
[21:53] <humphreybc> pleia2: AlanBell: you guys would be welcome to guest post as often as you'd like
[21:53] <highvoltage> vish: *breathe* :)
[21:53] <humphreybc> vish: wait, what?
[21:53] <AlanBell> vish: so we need to *remove* segregation and draw OMG and it's audience in to the community
[21:53] <pleia2> AlanBell: +1
[21:53] <humphreybc> I think you're being more segregating by alienating the OMG! community
[21:53] <maco> they're a different community? when did that happen?
[21:53] <vish> humphreybc: that was you recent comment on lp ..
[21:54] <maco> how do people even learn about these not-on-planet blogs?
[21:54] <nigelb> hey, it was your blog post that said "ubuntu camp"
[21:54] <humphreybc> I think it's in everyone's best interest (and numerous skype calls with the Bacon has confirmed this) that OMG! and the community strengthen ties rather than stretch them even thinner
[21:54] <vish> humphreybc: you are actively mentioning "Camps" why not try to bring more people in?
[21:54] <AlanBell> vish: today I have been doing a load of work to get the Ubuntu Manual actually packaged and in the repos, to draw it in to the rest of Ubuntu as it has been seen as a distinct project
[21:54] <humphreybc> vish: huh?
[21:54] <pleia2> humphreybc: I agree, I really hope we can make that happen
[21:54] <highvoltage> maco: dig, reddit, google, google reader shared items, links posted on irc and much more
[21:54] <maco> AlanBell: why not integrated into the Docs project?
[21:55] <AlanBell> maco: one step at a time
[21:55] <maco> we shouldnt have manual AND docs
[21:55] <humphreybc> maco: http://www.facebook.com/omgubuntu
[21:55] <popey> maco: we are where we are
[21:55] <pleia2> maco: there have been numerous discussions about that, they are ongoing :)
[21:55] <maco> oh puke, there's a facebook page?
[21:55] <highvoltage> maco: oh yes and facebook, twitter, identica, etc :)
[21:55] <humphreybc> maco: with 8000 fans, no less
[21:55] <pleia2> documentation pools, format discussions, etc etc
[21:55] <maco> eww twitter :P proprietary! EVIL!
[21:55] <doctormo> guys talk too quick! can't read backlog with empathy.
[21:55]  * pleia2 hugs doctormo 
[21:55] <maco> doctormo: get a real irc client?
[21:55] <humphreybc> doctormo: empathy! eww!
[21:56] <humphreybc> I would highly advise to keep the docs vs manual argument out of this :P
[21:56] <vish> humphreybc: you "camp" reference on lp > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615300/comments/14
[21:56] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615300 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Enable default Evolution signature as "Sent from Ubuntu" (affects: 16) (heat: 138)" [Medium,Fix released]
[21:56] <pleia2> maco: I don't think calling facebook and twitter evil is helping, this is why omgubuntu is so popular and hits a super wide audience and some of us are still struggling to get past local lugs
[21:56] <maco> ugh lets just forget THAT bug report ever happened
[21:56] <popey> vish: camp is a perfectly valid word to use about a group of like minded people
[21:56] <pleia2> they actually hit and take advantage of mainstream tools and get an audience beyond what the ubuntu community itself tends to
[21:57] <humphreybc> vish: I think it's more a figure out speech
[21:57] <popey> humphreybc: +1
[21:57] <vish> popey:  this is the same that humphreybc  maintains on OMG too.. , why separating.. ?
[21:57] <maco> pleia2: ubuntu has a fb page. isnt that enough?
[21:57] <humphreybc> figure out speech? figure OF speech
[21:57] <highvoltage> maco: why? it was a very notable bug
[21:57]  * humphreybc isn't used to being up before 9am
[21:57] <pleia2> maco: not if people like you speak of it with such distain and look down upon people who use it
[21:57] <maco> highvoltage: because it's a black mark on all of ubuntu
[21:57] <vish> popey: since when where there two camps within? wasnt aware of it..
[21:58]  * nigelb calls timeout
[21:58] <jono> humphreybc, popularity is not everything
[21:58] <highvoltage> maco: I accept ubuntu with all its problems, I don't think it's necessary to hide them. we should instead remember and not repeat.
[21:58] <maco> pleia2: didnt say anything about people who use ubuntu. just see no use in splitting and having TWO fb pages
[21:58] <humphreybc> jono: I didn't say it was?
[21:58] <highvoltage> (sheesh I sound way too preachy there, sorry)
[21:58] <jono> and popularity doesn't always mean good
[21:58] <doctormo> I can't read all of the backlog (stupid technical gtk reason) but OMG is a brand of an online magazine with it's own community. What's the problem?
[21:59] <pleia2> maco: there are loads of fb pages for loco teams and other ubuntu teams
[21:59] <maco> doctormo: humphreybc wants it on planet
[21:59] <humphreybc> doctormo: Alan suggested that my author feed could be aggregated to the planet if I wanted it to
[21:59] <jono> humphreybc, it is just that you have pointed out OMG!Ubuntu's popularity a few times here and a few times yesterday when we talked
[21:59] <maco> doctormo: well wants his author feed on planet
[21:59] <AlanBell> doctormo: the discussion is subscribing /author/humphreybc to the planet
[21:59] <jono> popularity can lead to ego and ego leads to assholes
[21:59] <humphreybc> maco: well hang on a second, I didn't say "I want my blog on the planet"
[21:59] <jono> just something to keep in check
[21:59] <popey> I can't help but feel the motivation for humphreybc putting his 'feed' from omg on planet ubuntu rather than his own blog serves only one purpose, drive more traffic to omg
[21:59] <highvoltage> maco: he wants only his blog from that site on the planet, not the entire site
[21:59] <popey> given his posts already get aggregated from his blog
[21:59] <humphreybc> popey: wait wait wait
[21:59] <humphreybc> I never asked for this
[21:59] <czajkowski> popey: my feeling also
[21:59] <maco> highvoltage: i said "author feed"
[21:59] <humphreybc> stop jumping the gun
[21:59] <popey> humphreybc: ok :)
[21:59] <AlanBell> it was indeed my suggestion
[21:59] <czajkowski> which is why i'm rather against it
[22:00] <doctormo> maco: I can't see why they can't have a very specific tag which means "This is an OMG scoop and relivent to the Ubuntu community"
[22:00] <maco> popey: exactly
[22:00] <popey> humphreybc: you're kinda asking for it now
[22:00] <czajkowski> doctormo: as they'll tag every single post
[22:00] <popey> whether AlanBell originally suggested it or not
[22:00] <humphreybc> Alan suggested it to me, I slept on it. I figured it would be easier for me to just have one blog on the planet than the two
[22:00] <humphreybc> popey: I don't mind
[22:00] <popey> you're here in the community channel that you never ever come to
[22:00] <humphreybc> It's not the end of the world
[22:00] <vish> thats why i'v been saying this seems just like a promotional issue
[22:00] <doctormo> czajkowski: Then we'll deal with that abuse like we do with any other.
[22:00] <humphreybc> popey: Alan asked me to come in
[22:00] <humphreybc> (to discuss it)
[22:00] <AlanBell> popey: because I suggested discussing it here
[22:01] <popey> right
[22:01] <AlanBell> and not just going ahead and doing it because that would be a bad way to do this
[22:01] <humphreybc> Hate to sound like a dick, but just pointing out facts: I don't think OMG! needs to be aggregated on planet ubuntu to get more page views.
[22:01] <doctormo> humphreybc: What's the opportunities of getting the Ubuntu Weekly News onto OMG?
[22:01] <jono> and there is another popularity reference ;-)
[22:01] <jono> j/k
[22:01] <highvoltage> humphreybc: afaik, you don't even need to ask for permission to add your blog if you're a member. if you are a member and abide by the CoC, just add it, if someone objects they can take it up with the CC. simple as that.
[22:01] <humphreybc> jono: It's a fact
[22:01] <humphreybc> I'm not doing this for page views
[22:01] <humphreybc> that's just stupid
[22:02] <doctormo> humphreybc: "known self motivation" not fact ;-)
[22:02] <jono> humphreybc, I am not suggestion you are, but I am suggesting that popularity is not always equal to quality
[22:02] <AlanBell> highvoltage: yeah, but I suggested not blundering in and doing it and having a row afterwards
[22:02] <humphreybc> highvoltage: Well I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers before doing something *so* controversial ;)
[22:02] <popey> heh
[22:02] <highvoltage> what's so controversial about adding a blog to planet? it happens all the time.
[22:02] <highvoltage> people can just deal with it.
[22:02] <jono> personally, I couldn't care less what you aggregate on Planet Ubuntu, but I don't think this is about aggregation
[22:02] <jono> it is about the style of commentary on OMG
[22:03] <popey> do we have a style on planet ubuntu?
[22:03] <popey> can i please vote off death metal? :)
[22:03] <jono> popey, Ubuntu + Metal
[22:03] <pleia2> lol
[22:03] <jono> only those categories
[22:03] <jono> :-)
[22:03] <Pendulum> popey: CoC friendly?
[22:03] <highvoltage> jono: if he steps out of line, his feed can be easily removed
[22:03] <humphreybc> Excuse me, but, I didn't realise having "style" was against the CoC.
[22:03] <jcastro> yeah, you wanna see controversy, post about metal
[22:03] <vish> Pendulum: +1
[22:03] <jono> humphreybc, it isnt
[22:03] <pleia2> or post about women in foss, I've had some very special comments on the subject
[22:03] <jono> none of this is about the CoC
[22:03] <Pendulum> humphreybc: I was saying the style is CoC friendly. Not anything else.
[22:04] <maco> pleia2: you dont delete them?
[22:04] <jono> the CoC is about good conduct
[22:04] <AlanBell> jono: it is about drawing OMG and it's community in, rather than having the impression that is is outside of the community
[22:04] <jono> humphreybc, is never disrespectful
[22:04] <highvoltage> humphreybc: if style means being offensive, cocky and rude- then yes
[22:04] <pleia2> maco: nope
[22:04] <jono> AlanBell, totally agree
[22:04] <Pendulum> in other words, anything on Planet Ubuntu needs to be CoC friendly
[22:04] <popey> AlanBell: might be helpful if humphreybc didn't perpetuate the idea that OMG _is_ outside the ubuntu community
[22:04] <maco> i have a half dozen comments sitting in my moderation queue so that ive got them for later reference but they dont show up where anyone but me has to be subjected to them
[22:04] <AlanBell> popey: that is the bug I am trying to fix
[22:04] <popey> humphreybc: has said to me previously that he/they don't owe ubuntu anything
[22:04] <jono> humphreybc, do you consider OMG to be part of the community?
[22:04] <popey> whcih seems somewhat broken
[22:04] <humphreybc> popey: well it's hardly a core part
[22:04] <vish> popey: haha! see, that what I'v been trying to say!
[22:04] <humphreybc> popey: ?
[22:05] <jono> humphreybc, ^^
[22:05] <popey> a broken attitude to take
[22:05] <czajkowski> bah
[22:05] <humphreybc> where did you get that from? don't owe? what?
[22:05] <doctormo> popey: It's an amorphous thing the community, as porous as it is uneasy
[22:05] <humphreybc> core as in - it's not accepted
[22:05] <jono> humphreybc, do you consider OMG to be part of the community?
[22:05] <highvoltage> isn't adding a feed to planet ubuntu *making* it more part of the community?
[22:05] <popey> humphreybc: you specifically said that to me
[22:05] <humphreybc> popey: when?
[22:05] <popey> you want logs?
[22:05] <jono> humphreybc, let me be more specific, do you operate OMG under the premise that you feel it is part of the community?
[22:06] <humphreybc> jono: I don't know. It's not up to us to decide if we're part of the community or not.
[22:06] <doctormo> humphreybc: Do you and do0d operate OMG with the view of serving the community?
[22:06] <humphreybc> It's up to the community.
[22:06] <jono> humphreybc, well, it is
[22:06] <humphreybc> I think we're serving Ubuntu
[22:06] <popey> yeah
[22:06] <humphreybc> We're helping, in some way.
[22:06] <doctormo> humphreybc: You're programmers?
[22:06] <czajkowski> really??
[22:06] <jono> it is up to you if you participate under the auspices of the community
[22:06] <popey> lots of people get their 'news' from omg
[22:06] <humphreybc> doctormo: ahh.
[22:06] <popey> yup czajkowski I'd agree with humphreybc there
[22:06] <jono> humphreybc, so do you consider that you serve the community?
[22:06] <maco> popey: thank you for using quotes :)
[22:06] <humphreybc> So we have to be programmers to help, do we?
[22:06] <popey> maco: meant in a tabloid way
[22:06] <jono> humphreybc, I never said that
[22:06] <humphreybc> Okay, well in that case, I should bugger off, I'm not a programmer.
[22:06] <maco> popey: i know :)
[22:06] <popey> there are a significant number of people who like what omg do
[22:07] <jono> I am asking if you feel you serve a function in the community
[22:07] <maco> popey: hence the thanks!
[22:07] <popey> and appreciate the content / insight / style
[22:07] <popey> omg is good to have around
[22:07] <humphreybc> jono: Yes, of course
[22:07] <jono> humphreybc, cool, then you are part of the community
[22:07] <doctormo> humphreybc: I didn't say what i meant in the right way.
[22:07] <humphreybc> OMG! serves a purpose like all other people and teams in the community
[22:07] <jono> and we should welcome OMG into the fold more and more
[22:07] <jono> it serves a valuable function
[22:07] <AlanBell> we need to inspire OMG to be better than it has been. We don't do that by pushing it away.
[22:07] <pleia2> jono: +1
[22:08] <jono> however, there are cultural and conduct standards that we enforce
[22:08] <nigelb> AlanBell: agreed
[22:08] <jono> I am not suggest OMG has breached them, but if you want to be part of the community I think it would be useful for you to enforce them
[22:08] <humphreybc> jono: you can't say we aren't trying
[22:08] <Pendulum> jono: +1
[22:08] <jono> humphreybc, I never said that
[22:08] <maco> humphreybc: may i request that you or someone at OMG learn to package and package up the 3rd party apps you guys recommend and put them through REVU or through Debian Mentors so they get properly reviewed rather than always recommending third party stuff? it makes me wince when i see people told to get out-of-repo software
[22:08] <popey> i asked joey why you guys didnt use the ubuntu code of conduct
[22:08] <jono> humphreybc, doesn't imagine things I am saying, read what I am saying
[22:08] <popey> joey said that he didnt think you were allowed
[22:08] <jono> oops
[22:08] <humphreybc> maco: we're too busy
[22:08] <jono> s/doesnt/don't
[22:09] <popey> which shows me a bit of a disconnect
[22:09] <AlanBell> maco: that would be an awesome thing for the OMG contributors to get going with
[22:09] <maco> humphreybc: you're promoting bad security practices!
[22:09] <jono> humphreybc, I want you to be part of our community, and I dislike the resentment I hear to OMG
[22:09] <humphreybc> maco: It's not our fault, that's how Ubuntu is.
[22:09] <jono> I think you provide a fantastic news service
[22:09] <jono> but as I told you last night, I would prefer if you took the BBC approach and not the Fox News approach
[22:09] <humphreybc> when Ubuntu gets bigger, are you going to go and blame Ars Technica for "promoting bad security practices"? Shouldn't you fix them at this end?
[22:09] <pleia2> maco: I don't think we need to compell journalists to become techies, we all have our strengths and weaknesses
[22:10] <jono> I can't stop you from doing anything, but it is friendly advice - everyone here would love OMG if the news was not filled with opinion
[22:10] <doctormo> I'd say they were more like the Inquirer and less like the register.
[22:10] <maco> humphreybc: ars isnt trying to get their "go use 3rd party stuff" posts on planet
[22:10] <pleia2> I'm hoping that advertising on omgubuntu will inspire a packager to package something, thats how it works :)
[22:10] <jono> maco, there is nothing wrong with OMG highlighting 3rd party stuff, we are not a walled garden
[22:10] <doctormo> humphreybc: Yes we will blame Ars if they promote bad security policies.
[22:10] <maco> fine, *at least* file a WNPP bug in debian then
[22:10] <czajkowski> jono: be nice if some of the stuff was factual rather then what it seems to be is sometimes personal attacks on ubuntu
[22:10] <AlanBell> maco: there are stacks of posts from people on planet about interesting stuff that comes in a tar.gz
[22:10]  * maco giggles at "journalist"
[22:10] <jono> my only grievance with OMG is that humphreybc uses it as a pulpit sometimes
[22:10] <jono> and I think its a bit cheap
[22:11] <humphreybc> I wouldn't add my feed to the planet if that gave everyone an excuse to lambast anything on OMG!. For example, if my feed was on the planet, and nixie posted something (that didn't appear on the planet) that created controversy, my feed being on the planet shouldn't create some sort of rally cry of "shut OMG! downn!!!"
[22:11]  * vish smiles with maco 
[22:11] <jono> humphreybc, you should have OMG on planet
[22:11] <AlanBell> humphreybc: agreed
[22:11] <humphreybc> jono: what, the entire thing?
[22:11] <jono> if you are part of our community you are welcome to
[22:11] <czajkowski> jono: +1 indeed how many people feel to be honest
[22:11] <humphreybc> All 10 posts a day?
[22:11] <nigelb> humphreybc: ohgodno
[22:11] <jono> humphreybc, I would have o objection to that personally
[22:11] <maco> 10 posts O_O criminey youd flood the thing
[22:11] <jono> however...
[22:12] <humphreybc> Yes, I wouldn't want that.
[22:12] <nigelb> you'd flood the planet
[22:12] <AlanBell> that would have to go through the corporate blog approval process
[22:12] <maco> there's only ~20 posts/day to start with
[22:12] <humphreybc> Flooding the planet isn't what we want to do
[22:12] <jono> you can't choose to be part of the community and get exposure and then choose to not be part of the community when people slam you for being inappropriate
[22:12] <doctormo> The Ubuntu Weekly News doesn't post every item seperately.
[22:12] <jono> the community is a culture, not a part time job
[22:12] <humphreybc> doctormo: that's because it's a weekly newsletter
[22:12] <popey> i would like to see all of the OMG posts on the planet
[22:12] <AlanBell> or joey/nixie/others would have to become members (which would be good)
[22:12] <nigelb> doctormo: feel free to give us feedback about the newsletter
[22:12] <humphreybc> AlanBell: not under the corporate rules
[22:12] <humphreybc> but I'd love to see them become members
[22:12] <jono> humphreybc, my recommendation to you is to scrap the opinion and rants from OMG and then you will purely be an awesome news site
[22:12] <nigelb> doctormo: highvoltage, Pendulum, amber, and I are among the few people you could talk about uwn
[22:12] <jono> any +1s on that/
[22:13] <humphreybc> jono: yes, don't worry, we're doing that
[22:13] <jono> any +1s on that?
[22:13] <AlanBell> humphreybc: indeed, either/or
[22:13] <pleia2> jono: +1
[22:13] <AlanBell> +1
[22:13] <popey>        _
[22:13] <popey>    _  / |
[22:13] <popey>  _| |_| |
[22:13] <popey> |_   _| |
[22:13] <popey>   |_| |_|
[22:13] <IdleOne> +1
[22:13] <popey>          
[22:13] <jono> :-)
[22:13] <Pendulum> +1
[22:13] <humphreybc> popey: lol
[22:13] <doctormo> +1
[22:13] <vish> +)
[22:13] <nigelb> +1
[22:13] <popey> Behold our massive consensus!
[22:13] <jono> humphreybc, have a blog for opinions, keep them there, have OMG for quality news
[22:13] <humphreybc> If we put the OMG! feed on the planet, I'm going to go and hide for a week
[22:13] <humphreybc> in a cave
[22:13] <jcastro> popey: clearly we need a council
[22:13] <humphreybc> underground
[22:14] <humphreybc> in the afghan mountains
[22:14] <jono> humphreybc, so are you happy to do that? to keep the opinion out of the site
[22:14] <popey> Indeed!
[22:14] <doctormo> humphreybc: Take your plane, it's a long ride to the nearest cave.
[22:14] <humphreybc> jono: of course
[22:14] <popey> Formulate the OMG!Council! STAT!
[22:14] <jono> awesome
[22:14] <humphreybc> heh
[22:14] <pleia2> popey: lol
[22:14] <jono> then we behold a new era of the OMG!
[22:14] <vish> lol!
[22:14]  * jono hugs humphreybc
[22:14] <humphreybc> haha
[22:14]  * humphreybc is smiliung
[22:14] <humphreybc> smiling, even
[22:14] <AlanBell> yay
[22:14] <jono> and I would encourage everyone here to give humphreybc a chance
[22:14] <humphreybc> I guess peace does work?
[22:14] <popey> humphreybc: are you stroking a small white cat too?
[22:14] <humphreybc> popey: hahaha
[22:14] <jono> let's not pre-judge, let's support their work, it is a great news site
[22:14]  * pleia2 hugs humphreybc 
[22:14] <vish> humphreybc: dont get this the wrong way, i *am* subscribed to OMG feeds ,n i do like how tedious d0od is at it..   but there is a running attitude on the blogs that OMG is a separate entity from Ubuntu which is what i'm not happy with.. :)
[22:15] <jcastro> (I was joking about the council before anyone gets any bright ideas)
[22:15] <humphreybc> jcastro: nice
[22:15] <doctormo> I do have a cat on my lap
[22:15] <nigelb> jcastro: somone did I think
[22:15] <jono> ok, I am going to go back to creating work for jcastro and czajkowski
[22:15] <jono> thanks humphreybc, keep up the awesome work
[22:15] <jcastro> KEEP ARGUING
[22:15] <jono> lol
[22:15] <humphreybc> I think having OMG! aggregated to the planet will encourage our writers (mainly myself) to watch the tone
[22:15] <nigelb> jcastro: HAHA
[22:15] <jono> humphreybc, lets talk about aggregation when you have had a few months of no opinions/rant
[22:15] <humphreybc> and I'll tell nixie off too :)
[22:15] <jcastro> humphreybc:  my only beef is linking to things
[22:15] <Pendulum> jcastro: bored?
[22:16] <pleia2> doctormo: I have one on my desk, she has laid claim to my mouse (I think she's trying to hatch it)
[22:16] <jono> humphreybc, sound good?
[22:16] <czajkowski> jono: cool, should keep me out of trouble
[22:16] <humphreybc> jono: sure
[22:16] <jono> humphreybc, :-)
[22:16] <humphreybc> jcastro: linking to things
[22:16] <humphreybc> ?
[22:16] <jcastro> sometimes joey posts "omg, this and that and foo bar" but doesn't link to the mailing list announcement or whatever
[22:16] <jono> czajkowski, nothing keeps you out trouble, chuck :-)
[22:16] <humphreybc> oh right
[22:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[22:16] <humphreybc> jcastro: a lot of them come through our tips bnox
[22:16] <humphreybc> box*
[22:16] <humphreybc> and the original tipper doesn't link, so it's hard for us to track it down
[22:16] <cjohnston> 3/ws
[22:16] <humphreybc> generally, we give source
[22:16] <Pendulum> humphreybc: it's a responsible journalism thing to track down, though
[22:16] <humphreybc> at the bottom
[22:17] <jcastro> right
[22:17] <humphreybc> Pendulum: yeah, I know. We try.
[22:17] <czajkowski> jono: sooooo true :)
[22:17] <jcastro> if you get tips like that I guarantee it's probably on -devel, -desktop, or -announce
[22:17] <czajkowski> jono: ended up at skynet meeting, i may be poking canonical folks to come over to give talks
[22:17] <humphreybc> yeah
[22:17] <humphreybc> You guys know Joey actually has a journalism degree, right?
[22:17] <humphreybc> (and that Ohso is his full time job)
[22:17] <doctormo> humphreybc: so does jono
[22:18] <humphreybc> doctormo: I know this
[22:18] <nigelb> pleia2: heh, I'll take the outcome if she manages to hatch it ;)
[22:18] <jono> czajkowski, cool
[22:18] <Pendulum> humphreybc: yes. that's another reason that it's better for him to check sources. because he knows better than to not do so
[22:18] <jcastro> jono: really? you have a journalism degree?
[22:18] <doctormo> whoever isn't a journalist by necessity, leave the irc room ;-)
[22:18] <humphreybc> jcastro: lol
[22:18] <pleia2> doctormo: hehe
[22:18] <jono> jcastro, not a degree, but I was a journalist for three years
[22:19] <jcastro> yeah my only issue is like, when we announce things on -desktop (like the chromium thing) I spent alot of time making sure I addressed a ton of stuff people might ask. And then when they don't get links people just make stuff up
[22:19] <jcastro> and then next thing I know people are asking our browser team questions about hypothetical problems that don't exist
[22:19] <humphreybc> jcastro: totally
[22:19] <jcastro> when they should be hacking making ubuntu better
[22:19] <doctormo> jono: Sorry I get confused between qualifications and experence all the time.
[22:19] <jono> doctormo, no worries, pal!
[22:19] <czajkowski> there is a massive difference in posts by jono and joey
[22:19] <humphreybc> jcastro: if you are announcing something you think we'll pick up, email it to us with the link, much easier
[22:19] <humphreybc> Ubuntu is a pretty large area to cover
[22:19] <jono> I would rather have experience over qualifications any day
[22:20] <jono> unfortunately, I am an idiot
[22:20] <humphreybc> and since we're opening up more blogs, we're basically stretched thin
[22:20] <jono> :-)
[22:20] <pleia2> yeah, I've had great luck with submitting stuff to omg, they make it easy and pick up a lot
[22:20] <jono> humphreybc, I promise you will get more exclusives from us when you get rid of the ranty nature of OMG
[22:20] <jcastro> anyway that was my only beef
[22:20] <humphreybc> czajkowski: Joey's aren't about a metal band? :P
[22:20] <Pendulum> humphreybc: why stretch thin rather than concentrate on doing your best on a more consolidated basis? (I'm honestly curious)
[22:21] <humphreybc> Pendulum: we're also bringing on more authors
[22:21] <humphreybc> but we're trying to expand
[22:21] <humphreybc> (you may have noticed ubuntugamer.com sitting around for ages)
[22:21] <humphreybc> :P
[22:22] <jono> humphreybc, my advice: continue to grow your community, fact check everything, stick to the news and keep opinion out - and never, ever post rants just because you can
[22:22] <AlanBell> ok, so to recap humphreybc will concentrate on making his OMG posts of a high non-ranty standard such that they can be aggregated to the planet in the not too distant future
[22:22] <jono> do that and you will have the New York Times
[22:22] <jono> as opposed to the National Enquirer
[22:22] <humphreybc> ha
[22:22] <humphreybc> AlanBell: yep
[22:22] <humphreybc> jono: are posts like this okay? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/how-scalable-is-open-source/
[22:22] <Pendulum> humphreybc: I understand that. I guess my style is just more to make sure I have the best I can of one thing I'm doing before expanding. And since even you seem to be aware that OMG isn't as good as it could be...
[22:22] <humphreybc> (admittedly asks more questions than it answers!)
[22:23] <humphreybc> Pendulum: OMG! has been around for about a year, it has a niche
[22:23] <humphreybc> the niche has worked pretty well
[22:23] <AlanBell> humphreybc: that was one of the best posts ever in my opinion!
[22:23] <jono> humphreybc, yep
[22:23] <humphreybc> but yeah, Joey does tell me off when I do ranty things
[22:23] <jono> oops
[22:23] <jono> humphreybc, I would leave that off
[22:24] <jono> or...make it clear that this is an OPINION PIECE
[22:24] <humphreybc> humphreybc: well, we have the editorial thing on the left
[22:24] <jono> humphreybc, let me give you an example:
[22:24] <humphreybc> that's what the categories are for
[22:24] <AlanBell> anything that has Alan Bell in the first sentence is full of win
[22:24] <vish> lol!
[22:24] <humphreybc> jono: it was designed to provoke discussion in the comments
[22:24] <jono> the problem with Fox News is that they constantly blur the line between opinion and news and they do this because if anyone picks them up on content they can say "it was an opinion segment" - it is a lame excuse
[22:25] <humphreybc> (sadly, most comments are "FIREFOX IS TEH NOT MEDIIUM SIZEEED"
[22:25] <jono> compare with the BBC - they very clearly outline which shows are opinion shows
[22:25] <jono> therefore if something is not labeled opinion, the viewer can safely assume it is frank and honest news
[22:25] <jono> right now you are taking the fox news approach, it is blurry
[22:25] <jono> also, writing stories for the pure goal of getting comments is an ego trip
[22:25] <jono> don't do it
[22:26] <humphreybc> jono: kay
[22:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: hahah
[22:26] <jono> don't go down that road, it's a slippery slope
[22:26] <humphreybc> Joey posts like, 50 posts a week, I post maybe one rant a month
[22:26] <humphreybc> should say
[22:26] <humphreybc> I posted one rant a month ;)
[22:26] <jono> humphreybc, doesn't matter
[22:26] <jono> Joey posts new
[22:26] <jono> news
[22:26] <jono> which is awesome, no matter how small and insignificant
[22:26] <jono> the rants undermine the quality of the site
[22:27] <jono> I never want to stop you ranting, but do it on your personal blog
[22:27] <humphreybc> the only thing I would be a bit concerned about when aggregating the blog, is that we don't want to steamroll the newsletter.
[22:27] <jono> it is your opinion, your ideas, and really has no place on OMG
[22:27] <jono> (IMHO)
[22:27] <humphreybc> I think we need to work with the community news team
[22:27] <jcastro> plus rants are like movie remakes, you're not the first person to hate your computer.
[22:27] <AlanBell> humphreybc: where is joey's wiki.ubuntu.com page?
[22:27]  * humphreybc has talked a bit with akgraner about this
[22:27] <vish> humphreybc: that would be awesome!
[22:27] <jono> when you make this segregation of content clear, you build faith in your readership
[22:27] <humphreybc> AlanBell: he doesn't have one
[22:27] <jono> they will trust your news and they will mentally frame the opinion where appropriate
[22:27] <pleia2> humphreybc: I am sure they'd appreciate the help :) especially with writing summaries and things, you're welcome over in #ubuntu-news
[22:28] <jono> and our concensus, albeit small earlier, was testament to that
[22:28] <pleia2> ah good, you've talked to akgraner
[22:28] <humphreybc> pleia2: yeah, we'll try to hang out there. Joey and I usually avoid IRC (lots of people trying to ping us all the time)
[22:28] <pleia2> yeah, fair enough :)
[22:28] <jono> humphreybc, then again I have told you all this three or four times before
[22:28] <jono> :-)
[22:28]  * humphreybc will be in #ubuntu-manual over summer though
[22:28] <jono> I hope it sticks this time
[22:28] <humphreybc> jono: yes dad
[22:28] <humphreybc> or should I say
[22:28] <humphreybc> yes mum ;)
[22:28] <jono> lol
[22:29] <jono> humphreybc, go and brush your teeth
[22:29] <doctormo> humphreybc: Wait I can make a picture! ;-) (ok I won't)
[22:29]  * popey digs out his special photo of jono again
[22:29] <popey> been a few months
[22:29] <jono> lol
[22:29] <humphreybc> lol
[22:29] <humphreybc> jono: I saw all those baby pics of you that your Mum posted
[22:29] <vish> uh oh!
[22:29] <jono> ok, I have, y'know, actual work to do, back in a bit
[22:29] <jono> :-)
[22:29] <vish> no we need pics!
[22:29]  * jono fires up UT3
[22:29] <jono> j/k
[22:29] <humphreybc> lol
[22:29] <pleia2> haha
[22:30] <jcastro> I am 30 minutes past, EOD, so I am actually firing up a video game
[22:30] <jcastro> tty all tomorrow!
[22:30] <AlanBell> o/ jcastro
[22:30] <jcastro> ugh too late
[22:30] <jcastro> I fired off this horrible Clash of the Titans movie
[22:31] <jcastro> now I am stuck watching it since I loved the original
[22:31] <doctormo> lament!
[22:31] <jono> jcastro, ahhh one sec
[22:31] <jono> can I keep you for 30sec
[22:32] <jcastro> sure
[22:33] <popey> i do belive it could be half life 2 o'clock
[22:33] <jcastro> tell me doctor freeman
[22:33] <jcastro> what is it you've created?
[22:33] <jcastro> you destroy so much ....
[22:34] <popey> :D
[22:34] <jono> jcastro, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityReview/Sep2010/Beginner
[22:34] <jono> jcastro, this is the template for the report I will ask every tea to focus on
[22:35] <jcastro> right
[22:35] <jono> let me know if it needs anything
[22:35] <jcastro> can I test this on actual people?
[22:35] <jono> I will then cut and paste it to the other reports
[22:35] <jono> jcastro, what do you mean?
[22:35] <jcastro> or do you want me to try to just be in that mental state of mind?
[22:35] <jono> see point 4 in the plan
[22:35] <jono> part of it is research
[22:35] <jcastro> oh
[22:36] <jcastro> that will teach me to read first
[22:36] <jono> if this looks broadly ok I am going to get the other pages set up and blog it
[22:36] <jcastro> can I have a day to digest?
[22:36] <jono> no
[22:36] <jono> I want it out today
[22:36] <jono> :-)
[22:36] <jcastro> hah, k
[22:36] <jono> if there are no major flaws I will continue
[22:37] <jcastro> something I would like to know
[22:37] <jono> jcastro, to be clear I don't want you to do the work now, just let me know if it that template and process looks ok
[22:37] <jcastro> right right
[22:37] <jcastro> I get that
[22:38] <highvoltage> whoah you guys talked a lot while I drove home!
[22:38] <jono> highvoltage, :-)
[22:38] <jcastro> something I think should be noted when we ask the people
[22:38] <jcastro> is what results they found when they did search for something
[22:38] <jcastro> like, what they're searching for, etc.
[22:38] <jcastro> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+do+I+get+involved+in+ubuntu&qscrl=1
[22:39] <jcastro> this will tell us what pages/docs are out of date
[22:39] <jono> jcastro, I agree, that is something I want you to do in the Beginner assessment
[22:39] <jcastro> as a part of this question: Where did you look first for information on getting involved?
[22:39] <jono> ok, so it sounds we are mostly good
[22:39] <jcastro> (reviewer, write down what the person looked for) or whatever
[22:39] <jcastro> but yeah, that's a nitpick
[22:40] <jono> cool
[22:40] <jono> ok thanks, pal
[22:41] <jcastro> jono: you're missing some governance
[22:41]  * jcastro runs away as fast as he can
[22:41] <jono> jcastro, governance?
[22:41] <jono> I am going to kill you
[22:41] <jono> with a very blunt stick
[22:41] <jono> lol
[22:41] <jono> \m/
[22:42] <highvoltage> that would be against the CoC I'm sure!
[22:42]  * AlanBell reads CoC
[22:43] <AlanBell> nope, you're good, carry on
[22:43] <highvoltage> ah, as you were then
[22:43] <AlanBell> night all o/
[22:43] <pleia2> it's ok as long as it's a respectful murder
[22:43] <jono> pleia2, lol
[22:44] <jono> "JORGE I RESPECT YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND MUSICAL TASTES.....ARGHHHHHH!" *stab*
[22:45] <highvoltage> you respect him for his musical tastes!? my word that is blunt.
[22:50] <jono> highvoltage, lol
[23:04] <doctormo> Respect my eyeballs!
[23:12]  * czajkowski cranks up the Frames and starts to tackle email 
[23:24] <popey> hehe, you think we have odd application names...
[23:24] <popey> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/21/tuaw-giveaway-bugger-puts-repeated-reminders-in-your-pocket/
[23:24]  * popey notes that word has an entirely different meaning in the uk
[23:25]  * Pendulum giggles
[23:27] <highvoltage> bugger in uk = snot right?
[23:27] <czajkowski> lol
[23:28] <highvoltage> oh wait no that's US I think
[23:28] <Pendulum> highvoltage: in the US it's booger
[23:28] <highvoltage> ah
[23:28] <Pendulum> bugger means something completely different in the UK
[23:28] <highvoltage> it's almost like 'bastard' right?
[23:31] <popey> not really
[23:31]  * popey buys highvoltage a dictionary :)
[23:31] <popey> and not that stupid websters one :)
[23:32] <popey> ooo which reminds me of a thing i keep hearing..
[23:32] <Pendulum> popey: buy him a slang dictionary. it'll be more use in this case ;)
[23:32] <highvoltage> popey: I looked it up on the urban dictionary
[23:33]  * highvoltage never knew it had that meaning
[23:33] <popey> why is it that in the US people say 'ten ecks' for "10x", rather than (as we do) say "ten times" when 10x is really short hand for 10 times the size/power/weight of something else?
[23:34] <highvoltage> popey: oh that's an easy one
[23:34] <highvoltage> popey: but it would be mean to tell you
[23:34] <popey> haha
 jcastro, not a degree, but I was a journalist for three years  <-- there was space for a zing in there
[23:37] <highvoltage> maco: how so?
[23:37] <popey> whats a zing?
[23:38] <highvoltage> popey: I think it's short for bazinga
[23:38] <maco> er bazinga is newer than zinger
[23:38] <maco> and i dont watch tv
[23:38] <highvoltage> aaah
[23:38] <maco> before that show came on, people said "ZING!" when they got a good one in
[23:39] <highvoltage> I know some people who are born in the 70's who say that a lot
[23:39] <czajkowski> Bazinga! BBT is back this week :D :D
[23:39] <maco> annnnyyyyywayyyy....  im reading scrollback and before jono said that but after doctormo said he had a degree in journo, i figure someone shouldve said "jono has a degree?"
[23:39] <highvoltage> czajkowski: \o/
[23:39] <highvoltage> czajkowski: and House and HIMYM!
[23:39] <czajkowski> BONES!
[23:40] <maco> HIMYM?
[23:40] <maco> no Doctor Who til xmas special :(
[23:40] <popey> Still none the wiser
[23:40] <highvoltage> maco: how I met your mother. you can at least watch some TV!
[23:40] <maco> highvoltage: i dont own one
[23:40] <maco> though i should borrow some wifi somewhere and watch Warehouse 13 on Hulu
[23:40] <highvoltage> maco: you don't have friends!?
[23:40] <maco> though its probably not on there anymore... so i guess i should get the DVDs
[23:40] <maco> off the internet?
[23:41] <highvoltage> my flatmate watches lots of Warehouse 13
[23:41] <doctormo> maco: I'm not so sure he does now
[23:41] <highvoltage> I'm not really too into it
[23:41] <maco> doctormo: he got a visa, he must have one...
[23:41] <maco> ...right?
[23:44] <doctormo> maco: He probably got a K1 (like me) or K3.
[23:44] <maco> doctormo: like you = marriage visa? i think he was here quite a while pre-marriage
[23:44] <doctormo> Intent to marry or I'm already married didn't you know.
[23:44] <doctormo> Then it'd be business visa of some sort I'd bet.