[00:11] nhandler: No manual entry for man. [02:15] I dislike git SO much, how unsable is it's UI [02:15] unusable* [02:20] doctormo: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man1/man.1posix.html [02:25] nhandler: there's also man(7) ;) [02:32] :) [02:32] 45 [03:11] doctormo, git is super usable [03:11] doctormo, just take your time and learn it :) [03:20] good documentation for it is difficult to find, I <3 bzr because it has such amazing documentation with pretty pictures [03:22] I seem to recall git magic being pretty good [03:22] bzr is not perfect. I tried playing around with pre-commit hooks, and it was a pita [03:23] I still love svn, but that's because I don't tend to work on big projects and I have bash scripts of awesomeness built around bits of it ;) [03:26] * nigelb blinks [03:26] pleia2: svn fan? ohgodno [03:37] doctormo: +1 on git. paultag and I have been doing awesome stuff on it independently :) [03:38] +1 [03:39] nigelb, git rules my socks. === JanC_ is now known as JanC [03:41] mine too ;) [03:41] nowadays, I type git status on bzr branches :p [03:41] And I also realized that its not just me, which is conforting [03:43] +1 [03:43] Oh shiz nigelb [03:43] nigelb, I wrote tons of git tools I never told you about [03:44] * nigelb kicks paultag [03:44] nigelb, they're for doing branch reviews [03:44] nigelb, it works really really really well [03:44] nigelb, and even caches the branch tarball and stuff. It's allowed me to work about 200x faster without crossing branches [03:44] wow [03:44] nigelb, check it out -- let's take this to PM [07:34] morning all! [08:08] morning folks o/ [08:08] good morning everyone! [08:08] morning kim0 [08:09] dpm: morning man [08:09] hey :) [09:21] Yay! It's only 9AM and I've already been called Hitler this morning. [09:26] popey, some people just start with a coffe, but that's something else [09:26] anyway, good morning :) === cypher is now known as Guest49367 [09:27] morning! === Guest49367 is now known as czajkowski [09:33] aloha [10:04] Hey Guys, since I updated my Ubuntu 10.04 Remix on my netbook, my 3G USB Dongle doesn't work anymore... It says: waiting for usb device to settle in dmesg. Any ideas? [10:19] hmm , the UDS sessions tracks seem confusing! or is it just me! o.0 [10:20] the community track seems clear though ;p [10:24] vish: where? [10:24] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ nothing there [10:26] czajkowski: the "tracks" are confusing.. last time , it was easier as desktop/design/community/.. [10:27] this now seems like a huge mixedbag , and anything can be among those tracks.. [10:27] oh it seems they are changing things around thistime [10:27] I remember mdz doing a lot of feedback from uds last time [10:27] hardware compatibility can be related to desktop/server.. [10:27] this must be the result [10:28] hehe , not sure if others understand better though ;) [10:28] now where can a design bp go! .. [10:29] ivanka isnt even a track lead, is there no design track this time? [10:29] development process can be the largest collection, everything can be in that one ;p [11:57] paultag: As far as git's UI goes, it doesn't have good suitable defaults, you can tell an expectant underdeveloped CLI when action commands have no context ability. [11:58] paultag: For instance it should be possible to say (in some way) bzr go-back-one, but it isn't, because those sorts of shortcuts are considered superfluous to programmers, but good additions for designers. [12:35] morning all [12:37] hey duanedesign, all booked? [12:42] doctormo: am doing it this morning. Is their anything else i need to do as far as accomodations? [12:42] duanedesign: The deadline is the 26th, be available on sunday and make sure you have enough money in paypal etc to push to me. [12:43] doctormo: ok. How much will that be? [12:44] duanedesign: Hopefully ~$180-$200, we'll have to see. [13:30] yo [13:32] morning jcastro [14:11] morning jcastro [14:15] lo dinda [14:15] howdy popey [14:17] popey et al: do you know of any schools using Ubuntu/edubuntu? [14:17] http://opensourceschools.org.uk/award-winning-open-source-notre-dame-high-school.html [14:18] http://opensourceschools.org.uk/alton-convent-low-cost-computer-suite.html [14:18] etc [14:18] :) [14:18] Bishops Fox school [14:18] aloha [14:19] sweet - thanks! [14:23] I do love productive lunches [14:23] planning next conference before this one is even over [14:25] AlanBell: where is Bishops Fox located? [14:26] Taunton I think it is [14:27] A303, past StoneHenge, keep going for flippin ages [14:27] "South west england" :) [14:28] almost to daviey's place I think [14:33] popey: that Notre Dame school even does bespoke ICt consulting for 500 pounds/day [14:34] not a bad way to raise funds for your school [14:36] wow [14:37] http://www.notredame-high.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=280&Itemid=201 [14:39] impressive [14:40] jcastro: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/633515 [14:40] Ubuntu bug 633515 in summit "Support white space in track names (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [14:45] uhoh dinda has been got by the twitter virus [14:45] popey: yeah, was trying to follow paulhaigh of notre dame school and all heck broke loose [14:45] happened me earlier on as well [14:45] you're not alone, many people have been got by it [14:45] popey: how do i kill it? [14:45] pas [14:45] *pass [14:45] had to use gwibber and not use web [14:46] but gwibber is acting up so... [14:46] it only affects you if you use the website [14:46] ah, there is an easy fix [14:46] http://mobile.twitter.com/ [14:46] use that instead [14:46] and delete the offending tweet [14:46] and then stay away from twitter.com until its all fixed [14:46] gotcha [14:46] popey: does that autorefresh? [14:47] does what autorefresh? [14:47] that mobile twitter [14:47] dunno [14:47] http://seesmic.com/app is what I use [14:47] jcastro: ello ello [14:47] czajkowski: hi2u [14:47] jcastro: keep using seesmic [14:48] I love it [14:48] stick it in app mode = for the win [14:48] :) [14:48] jcastro: want any more info added t the uds pages? [14:48] it's all looking good! [14:48] popey: I've been all webapp for 2 months [14:48] jcastro: asked itnet7 to give me some info on local info so waiting to add that. [14:48] except for one, banshee [14:48] czajkowski: yeah I suspect the local stuff won't fill out until right before [14:49] yup [14:49] and I've added the page for people to add their arrival departures but I dont think people are using the wiki, which was the idea but folks wanted the page, *shrugs* [14:49] everyone smile for my screenshot! [14:49] :D [14:50] ____ [14:50] _| _ \ [14:50] (_) | | | [14:50] _| |_| | [14:50] (_)____/ [14:50] [14:51] :) [14:52] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/screenshot_002.png [14:52] behold [14:52] bah [14:53] stupid irc client [14:53] does seesmic do identica? [14:53] that irc client is all web [14:53] ahhhhh [14:53] "built in screen" [14:53] 0 work on my part [14:53] interesting! [14:53] nice layout [14:54] it has problems, I'm more helping the guy by giving feedback [14:54] overflow of channels sucks for example, see the >> [14:54] but he's making good progress, enough for me to seriously not /need/ irssi [14:54] though it can be painful sometimes [14:55] :) [14:55] not sure I could switch away from irssi [14:55] it's painful [14:56] jcastro: in what way ? [14:56] I am wired for irssi [14:56] czajkowski: you heard of this group: http://www.educatetogether.ie [14:56] but this has some nice features, it inlines pictures for example [14:57] dinda: nooooo [14:58] czajkowski: looks like they helped this school set up an edubuntu lab: http://opensourceschools.org.uk/node/729 [14:59] interesting [14:59] I'll be ginving some talks soon to the one in Limerick [14:59] kids are older [14:59] about Ubuntu and how I got involved, how they can [14:59] what they can do etc [15:00] czajkowski: in Ireland do computers come with MS pre-installed? or do you have to buy the OS separately? [15:01] pre installed with MS on them [15:01] you can get some naked in the uk [15:01] AlanBell setup a website to list them http://nakedcomputers.org/ [15:02] I did [15:02] czajkowski: nice on the talk. if you happen to take any nice pics please post them [15:02] dinda: will do. I did 3 talks last year in colleges, so hoping to try and do the same this time around [15:02] kind of lost interest in that project after getting a bit of a kicking about the logo [15:02] running next conference in May in UL so hoping to get the limerick school using Ubuntu at it [15:03] czajkowski: nice! [15:03] AlanBell: meh logo was fine, but there are always gonna be people who see an issue with it. [15:03] dinda: you should come! education and ubuntu :D [15:03] dinda: I may even be able to get you sponsored..... [15:03] czajkowski: believe me, I'm working on it! [15:03] dinda: last weekend in May is waht I'm working at now [15:03] czajkowski: you have a website for the event? [15:03] this was just decided at lunch time [15:04] dinda: atm ossbarcamp.com will have info on this weekends event, but I clear it down shortly afterwards for the next one [15:04] maco: around? [15:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Conferences [15:05] dinda: ahhh [15:05] jcastro: yep, just got online [15:05] did i break something? [15:05] I'm gathering up all the potential places we might want to make an appearance or sponsor someone to talk [15:05] maco: we're trying to get people to vote more on SE, as in, vote up good questions, just passing the word around. [15:05] ahok [15:05] dinda: Limerick is nice in May :D [15:05] dinda: plus you know you want to come to Ireland [15:05] czajkowski: I've always wanted to visit Ireland [15:06] this is a good reason... [15:06] you should put plans in motion :D [15:06] czajkowski: I grew up in an Irish Catholic school, know more Irish folks songs than Spanish! [15:06] I also need to sort out some speakers in Limerick over the next coming moths for my old uni [15:06] dinda: ahh yes :) I went to school with nuns [15:07] scarey and nice people at the same time [15:07] * AlanBell will book a family holiday to Co. Clare for last week in May [15:08] see cogs are now in motion [15:08] bringing it up tonight at AGM which is also during loco council meeting. [15:41] czajkowski: Ive been chatting to my dad about putting together a "Loco pack" or so for loco's and other unitis looking for a promotional pack of printed goods with their loco name on it (at an affordable price). do you think this would be useful? [15:46] yeah could be [15:47] sometimes folks get really cheap deals locally [15:47] and i giess it'll depend on what's in it tbh [15:59] hey all [15:59] dpm, all set? [16:00] jono, can you give me 2 min to save the documentation with the portal proposal on the wiki? [16:00] dpm, sure [16:00] thanks, nearly done [16:02] jono, ok, all set [16:02] dpm, cool [16:11] jussi: ahem, the "affordable" varies. [16:11] Things are cheaper for us here rather than get it printed somewhere else [16:19] kim0, hey [16:19] jono: hey [16:19] any more updates from IS re. the Cloud Portal? [16:20] jono: well I'm just fixing the ami viewer which is currently broken, once done, I'll bug them today [16:20] kim0, thanks [16:20] kim0, also, please go and add to the 11.04 plan which portal work actions you would like to do in 11.04 [16:21] kim0, think about what new work could benefit the portal [16:21] aye aye [16:21] to do this I would like you to reach out to Scott Moser, Dustin and Daviey to see what they think should be done [16:22] jono: sounds good [16:22] kim0, I reviewed the other elements you put in there, they look good [16:23] when you have added the portal additions lets hop on the phone and review it [16:23] later this week [16:23] jono: sure .. [16:25] cheers kim0 [16:48] ara, czajkowski, around? [16:48] I am indeed [16:49] jono: sup? [16:49] I want to do a review of our existing resources and how easy it is to get involved (more on this is coming in a blog), but would you be happy to be one of the people involved in leading this assessment, and focusing on LoCos? [16:49] sure [16:49] thanks [16:49] more details forthcoming [16:49] I would like to have someone else involved in LoCos to help, maybe paultag? [16:49] sure [16:49] paultag, happy to help? [16:49] if he can with college [16:51] jono, hello? [16:52] ara, hey! [16:52] ara, I want to do a review of our existing resources and how easy it is to get involved (more on this is coming in a blog), but would you be happy to be one of the people involved in leading this assessment, and focusing on QA and how people can help with bug triage? [16:53] jono, sure, count me in [16:53] ara, awesome, is there someone in the community who you think would be interested in helping with this? [16:53] on the QA side [16:53] I pref want two people for each area to focus on it [16:54] kim0, I want you to do the same for the Sever community, is that OK? [16:54] jono, for testing, charlie-tca, for bug triaging, kamusin? [16:55] ara, do you think kamusin would be interested in helping? [16:55] we need to ask :) [16:55] ara, would you mind asking? [16:55] that is Victor, right? [16:55] * kim0 reading [16:56] dpm, I would like you to do this for the translations community [16:56] a review of our existing resources and how easy it is to get involved (more on this is coming in a blog) [16:56] jono: generally sounds ok .. perhaps more info in our call [16:56] kim0, yup [16:56] going to be blogging about it today [16:57] cool [16:57] yes, that's victor [16:57] doctormo, fancy helping with this to assess the art community? [16:57] I guess it all depends on the kind of task [16:57] * kim0 now afk [16:57] thanks kim0 [16:58] * doctormo is catching up [16:58] ara, it won't be a lot of work [16:58] jono, sure. When do you need it? Would tomorrow be ok? [16:58] I basically want us to (a) assess what the on-ramp is for our communities, (b) how easy it is to get involved (c) how easy it is to find help, and (d) what improvements we need to make [16:58] jono, are you only interesting in bug triaging? [16:58] dpm, no, not yet, thanks though [16:59] dpm, I will mail out with a schedule [16:59] jono, ok, cool [16:59] ara, I think all of QA might be ok too [16:59] ara, lets do quality in general [16:59] I will send a mail to everyone with details of the plan [16:59] it will be coupled with a blog [16:59] jono, sounds good [16:59] jono: can I make a suggestion that you ask someone on the doc team for input? They're one of the teams that for new comers tends to feel like it has a higher barrier of entry (at least in my experience) [17:00] Pendulum, that is on my list too :) [17:00] jono: You need an assessment of the art community? which one? users, contributors or marketers? [17:00] Pendulum, who do you think would be two good people to lead the docs team effort? [17:00] doctormo, anyone who wants to participate [17:00] Pendulum: where higher barrier to entry is like a fortress wall? [17:00] doctormo, I am going to send details about how this will work, but are you happy to lead it? [17:00] maco: something like that. :P [17:01] jono: Sure, you have my bow. [17:01] doctormo, thanks [17:01] my devious plan is coming together :-) [17:01] jono: you're on fire aren't you today [17:01] now if only I could cancel all these phone calls to actually do some work [17:01] czajkowski, heh, we will see :-) [17:02] jono: clearly older wiser ... :p [17:02] jono: probably mdke (who has been around a while) and maybe starcraftman (sightly newer and also involved in beginners team so will have a sense of how newbies see stuff) [17:03] thanks Pendulum [17:12] jono: Your quotes are too easy to get creative with: http://imagebin.ca/view/OXURHX.html [17:14] doctormo, lol [17:43] popey: i think you might need to tickle jfo, into looking at the PrtSc bug ;) [17:43] too many kernel bugs.. [18:28] ok, so dholbach is still alive and yes he can survive without internet apparently: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs670.snc4/61062_1396153112840_1502583932_30893202_5982730_n.jpg [18:36] his hair looks great! [18:51] vish: good call! [19:34] jcastro: heh, totally! [19:35] hey vish [19:35] did we ever talk about fonts? [19:35] like packaging all those freely available fonts from google? [19:36] jcastro: nope.. i dont recall that. [19:36] I believe we were both interested in finding someone to do that, but I don't recall the details of our conversation [19:36] wasnt me.. :) [19:37] ok [19:37] if you happen to run into a font conversation with someone who wants to help send them to me. :p [19:38] sure thing! :) [19:41] jcastro: when can we start filing blueprints? [19:41] are the tracks final? i cant find a design track.. [19:47] good evening [19:47] how to get a http://art.ubuntu.com/ like http://qa.ubuntu.com/ ? [19:48] almost every community team has a link on ubuntu.com .. [20:01] vish: WordPress and theme ripoff! [20:01] sense: hehe! i dint mean theme , but the u.c addy :) [20:02] vish: In that case, ask the sysadmins real nice, I think. [20:41] hey sense [20:41] hi jcastro! [20:43] How're you doing? [20:43] good good [20:44] great [20:57] jono: I'm ready whenevs [20:59] jcastro, do we have a call? [20:59] nothing in my calendar [20:59] don't we always have a call EOD for me tuesdays? [21:00] it used to be my "strategic thinking mentorship" call or something [21:00] no we canceled them [21:00] remember? [21:00] lol [21:00] I am totally ok with that! [21:00] I don't think we need two calls a week [21:00] * jcastro goes to do something else before he gets assigned something [21:00] particularly as we get on the phone when we need to [21:00] don't need the mentoring calls now I am not thinking about firing you [21:00] j/k [21:00] :-) [21:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLO_CrZRmM [21:01] I love the way the guy says "you are fired!" [21:02] hah [21:02] jono: youve stopped thinking and have decided? [21:03] ouch [21:03] maco, heh, not quite [21:13] jcastro: Not as good as Back to the Future, the way to fire someone is with a million fax machines around their house. [21:23] hey vish, how are things? [21:23] hurro [21:23] humphreybc: o/ [21:23] AlanBell: so who were you talking with? [21:23] oh all sorts [21:24] okay [21:24] so we discussed the other day that humphreybc's OMG feed would techincally be eligible for the planet.ubuntu.com aggregator [21:24] it being posts from an Ubuntu member about Ubuntu [21:24] highvoltage: heya [21:25] so tell us what you think humphreybc [21:25] sure [21:25] so [21:25] highvoltage: just a few getting things sorted out still.. you guys should try to think of the direction you want.. [21:25] instead of having two planet feeds, which would be weird [21:25] I figured I could just replace my current planet feed with my OMG! feed [21:25] argh! [21:25] then i'll probably shut down my personal WP blog [21:26] as there isn't much point for it anymore, any personal stuff unrelated to Ubuntu I can blog at my website [21:26] vish: *nod* I'm collating ideas and messages and makeing sense of it all [21:26] so I simply have to change the feed from whatever it is now to this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/author/humphreybc/ [21:27] on a technical level http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/author/humphreybc/feed goes to the wrong place [21:27] yeah [21:27] let me figure that out [21:27] humphreybc: Does that imply you see OMG!Ubuntu! as a personal blog, rather than a news platform? [21:27] sense: nope? [21:28] well , humphreybc has been pretty clear the OMG comments do not apply to COC and that OMG is not restricted by the COC.. [21:28] not sure why this is being done :/ [21:28] humphreybc: Just curious, because Planet Ubuntu used to be person based (before the Design Team was aggregated) and I thought that was its purpose. [21:28] the code of conduct applies to people, not places [21:29] I would argue that OMG! is part of the community, like it or not, and I'm an ubuntu member [21:29] sense: we're not aggregating OMG! Ubuntu! [21:29] humphreybc: taking that attitude doesnt help [21:29] we're aggregating my particular feed [21:29] czajkowski: what attitude? Simply stating facts [21:29] humphreybc: its not that its not part of the community but when you highlight ridiculous comments its gets to be pretty obnoxious at times [21:29] humphreybc: I see that, but that is still a selection from the posts of OMG!Ubuntu!, not your personal musings. [21:30] Ben has signed the CoC so it applies to what he writes at all times [21:30] humphreybc: like it or not.... comments is not really polite tbh [21:30] sense: planet ubuntu is supposed to be a window into the the world of the developers that work on ubuntu [21:30] highvoltage: I hope more people than just developers.:) [21:30] highvoltage: would you highlight or delete silly obnoxious comments? [21:30] on your blog ? [21:30] sense: indeed! [21:30] I don't think that the CoC should apply to comments written by other people on your blog. [21:31] anyway, we have moderators too [21:31] it's not like there is any swearing [21:31] sense: its does not have to apply , but it does matter when one is trying to gather them [21:31] I just think that it would be a bad signal to other news blogs to include this one on the Planet, allowing it to reach a very wide audience, simply because one of the authors is an Ubuntu member. [21:31] and we try to keep the sexist, racist, etc comments down (although Nixie's posts seem to generate them pretty quickly) [21:31] well, humphreybc is an ubuntu member, so he signed the CoC and it thereby implies to all ubuntu activities he conducts himself in [21:31] What if Ryan Paul would aggregate his posts on Ars on the Planet? [21:31] sense: Isn't full circle magazine or some other news site on the planet? [21:32] humphreybc: Not sure, but if it is I'm against that. [21:32] akgraner links her ubuntu user blog, so it's not like humphreybc's proposal is anything new [21:32] highvoltage: but he flirts with COC when he is at OMG.. thats the whole point.. [21:32] humphreybc: swearing is only offensive to old people these days, you can do a lot worse [21:32] pleia2: that's the one [21:32] sense: it would be a *great* signal to other news outlets that if they want to be on planet ubuntu they have to become members! [21:32] as long as posts abide by the CoC, I don't see a problem with it [21:32]