[00:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what do you think about the flash packages?
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - which ones?
[00:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: flashplugin-installer, gnash
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we could try
[00:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think it's appropriate
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think it makes sense
[00:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, well, I'll file it after lightning is in
[00:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you want me to look at the package tonight before you upload?
[00:12] <chrisccoulson> i think i'll just get it uploaded before i go to bed
[00:12] <chrisccoulson> we can fix any issues if we find them
[00:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'm sure it's fine
[00:18] <fta> chromium-browser                 77893   4.56%     14901   48053   14925      14
[00:18] <fta> google-chrome-beta               77719   4.55%     12767   57963    6888     101
[00:18] <fta> \o/
[00:19] <micahg> fta: congrats
[00:20] <fta> next target is epiphany
[00:20] <fta> but it will take a while
[00:20] <micahg> fta: how close?
[00:20] <fta> epiphany-browser                165339   9.68%      6960  155851    2482      46
[00:20] <fta> epiphany-gecko                   86989   5.09%       482   86206     268      33
[00:21]  * micahg wonders why there's an epiphany-gecko package in maverick
[00:22] <fta> epiphany-webkit                   4980   0.29%         4    3521       0    1455
[00:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you see any reason why we can't drop the epiphany transitional packages?
[00:23] <fta> for the upgrades
[00:23] <micahg> fta: in maverick?  they were added in karmic
[00:24] <fta> oh, right. nm then
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we probably could drop them, but i think epiphany is mostly in sync with debian
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> (with the exception of a bookmark change last time i checked)
[00:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we have Ubuntu changes
[00:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe I should do a merge?
[00:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we're 4 point releases behind
[00:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that might be worth doing
[00:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I ask in -desktop or just propose it
[00:27]  * chrisccoulson wonders why we've not been tracking the unstable series for epiphany like the rest of gnome
[00:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: doesn't exist from what I can tell
[00:27] <micahg> oh, nm
[00:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - 2.31.5 is the current unstable version (for gnome 2.32)
[00:27] <micahg> it's very out of date, maybe that's why
[00:28] <micahg> last release was 2 months afo
[00:28] <micahg> *ago
[00:28] <chrisccoulson> we should probably update to 2.30.6 at least, anyway
[00:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll add it to my lis
[00:31] <micahg> *list
[00:31] <chrisccoulson> micahg - thanks. perhaps ask didrocks tomorrow if he thinks it's worth updating to 2.31.5
[00:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'd personally think it's better to take the stable release unless there will be and we'll be updating to the 2.32.x release after release
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, there'll be a 2.32 release, as it tracks the gnome release schedule
[00:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, does that mean I can SRU 2.30.6 to lucid?
[00:33] <chrisccoulson> possibly. i think we relaxed the SRU criteria in lucid to make it easier to get gnome stable updates in
[00:33] <chrisccoulson> but you'd need to have a look at what changed between the 2 versions
[00:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[00:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: epiphany has a ton of bugs in Debian
[00:34] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[00:35] <micahg> even more than we have
[03:51] <era> yo.
[03:52] <era> any chance that chromium will have an ambiance theme for maverick?
[04:19] <JanC> if it's not in the repositories yet, I doubt it will
[04:34] <micahg> era: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10-ambiance-radiance-themes-for-chrome-firefox-opera/
[08:57] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[08:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I took a look at the lightning package, I noticed that no mozclient is used to pull a tarball
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that's ok for maverick. the old version didn't use it either
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> we can fix that once we've made it work with dh7
[08:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, but there should at least be instructions on where to get the tarball
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> but, in the meantime, i just used thunderbird to create the tarball, but with the lightning release tag
[08:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you add a README.source that says that
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it should probably have instructions in there
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> i'll push the packaging to bzr and we can do it there
[09:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, do you want to do away with building a source in a separate tree
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you mean, like with the embedded tarball we use for everything else?
[09:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, and build-tree/mozilla for the source decompression/build
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the only reason i did it like it is for now is that there doesn't seem to be any native support for embedded tarballs in dh7 (although, we could add the logic to debian/rules ourselves, but that just makes things more complicated)
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> and because we can use bzip compression for the tarballs anyway, it doesn't really matter too much
[09:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so you want to switch away from CDBS/dh mix to pure dh7?
[09:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we should eventually move to dh7 entirely if we can. now i've done lightning, i can see where some of the limitations might be ;)
[09:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I've seen some heated CDBS/dh discussions on some l.d.o lists
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> oh, i'd be interested to see those ;)
[09:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: pkg-multimedia has had a few recently
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll check them out
[09:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I tried gnash and it didn't work, but I think the issue was due to old build-deps, I'll try again with updated build-deps
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> oh, it didn't build?
[09:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, it built and installed and even with the correct alternative, but ubufox didn't recognize it, I was thinking it might have to do with the new binary package name
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that seems a bit strange
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> have you hosted the merge anywhere?
[09:10] <micahg> when I set the alternative manually, it was recognized
[09:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, but I can give you the debdiff from 0.8.8-5
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can take a look at that
[09:13] <micahg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/497567/, I dropped the translation timestamp updates
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it was at least recognized before the package name change, it just didn't work
[09:14]  * micahg doesn't understand the pfs yet
[09:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I already have an FFe filed, but I needed to provide more info
[15:17] <fta> micahg, did you try my script for the wiki?
[16:51] <dpm> hey chrisccoulson, on bug 632760 is someone looking into merging your patch to po2xpi?
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632760 in language-pack-pt (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Language variants don't work in Firefox because the language codes are separated with an underscore rather than a hyphen in chrome.manifest (affects: 1) (heat: 437)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632760
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> dpm - i think pitti did it already
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> you might want to check with him though
[17:22] <dpm> chrisccoulson, I'll do, thanks!
[17:30] <fta> dpm, did you try my script for the wiki? i still see the old page for firefox :(
[17:31] <dpm> fta, I had a look at the script but I haven't had the chance to update the pages, as I have to check which FF and TB translations have been merged.
[17:31] <dpm> let me try to do this in a few minutes
[18:01]  * chrisccoulson wonders what on earth the PPA builders are doing
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> long queue, but half of them are idle
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> oh, well, they were a minute ago :/
[18:05] <fta> chrisccoulson, it's because they are now doing the TranslationTemplatesBuildJobs
[18:06] <fta> and they're really bad at balancing the traffic, seems like they do it only once every 15min so if they get a build that take less time, they stay idle until the next cycle
[18:06] <fta> a real waste
[18:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: fta: there a builder sprint ATM with 2 LP devs
[18:08] <micahg> fta: also, ch-dev/daily was scored down, I had them rescore
[18:09] <fta> micahg, did they say why they did it?
[18:09] <micahg> fta: yeah, there were limited build resources before for lpia, so they lowered it for that arch
[18:10] <fta> weird as that ppa has a low activity
[18:10] <fta> much lower than the other 4
[18:10] <micahg> daily has low activity?
[18:10] <fta> no, -dev
[18:11] <micahg> idk
[18:11] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kendalltweaver/+archive/peppermint/+build/1968710
[18:11] <fta> ??
[18:12] <micahg> fta: people do silly things :)
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i noticed that
[18:13] <micahg> This PPA contains some packages built with precompiled vanilla builds  directly from Mozilla.  For the full source code please visit: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> yet another person who's just bundling pre-compiled firefox binaries
[18:13] <micahg> I think that might violate the PPA TOS, no?
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> possibly, i'm not entirely sure about that tbh
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> if he breaks our installs, then i will poke him in the eyes with a blunt instrument
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> :)
[18:13] <micahg> heh
[18:14] <micahg> well, I should send out an announcement later to the team ML
[18:14] <micahg> I posted to identi.ca yesterday
[18:14] <micahg> k, I'm off to work...bbiab
[18:42] <dpm> fta, I've just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop - your script worked perfectly except for getting the Generic Name and Comment headers on the table swapped. I need to run now, but I'll take care of the TB page tomorrow. Thanks!
[18:42] <fta> great
[19:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you have a look at mozilla 580970
[19:57] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 580970 in Theme "Tabs on top with Ubuntu Radiance and Ambiance looks less unified than it could" [Minor,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580970
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i've already tried to find somebody involved with theming to comment on that
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> no joy yet though
[20:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[21:19] <gnomefreak> i still cant get chromium to save passwords even with a new profile and having saved passwords and bookmarks imported
[21:36] <gnomefreak> and now thunderbird is back to being unable to connect to pop and smtp so now i cant get email nor send it.