=== Malkavian__ is now known as Malkavian_ [01:02] micahg: What you describe for maverick, I had on lucid as well [01:02] * ChogyDan responds 2 hours later :) [01:03] ChogyDan: ah [01:03] micahg: I would like it set at 'conservative' myself, but it refuses to stay, even after going to sleep, it will reset to something else === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === undifined_ is now known as UndiFineD [02:06] i'm using today's daily build and i can see a general speed improvement, specially with firefox 3.6.10 newest flash plugin and mesa drivers [02:11] can someone help me with jack audio [02:11] i cant get it working [02:13] bdogg have you used fuser to find out what might be holding your audio system ? something might be keeping your jack from working [02:14] nope [02:14] how do i do that [02:14] sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* [02:14] that will show you whats using it now. [02:14] before and after you try jack so you know whats going on [02:15] always a good tool when trying to find out why sound doesnt work [02:15] /dev/snd/controlC0: brian 10193 F.... pulseaudio [02:15] /dev/snd/seq: timidity 1113 F.... timidity [02:15] brian 10162 F.... qjackctl [02:15] geeze we are suppose to get hit with hail, large as golfballs [02:16] well pulseaudio might be normal. [02:16] dont know about the timidity a [02:16] right now i have it configured so that [02:17] it starts minimized to tray [02:17] but if i start it from JACK controll [02:17] it crashes [02:17] and sometimes crashes the whole system [02:17] look at your systems error log maybe a clue there. [02:18] command? [02:18] how do i check system log? [02:18] with tail /var/log/syslog [02:19] also you can check dmesg for errors [02:19] you will probably have to google the errors for help [02:20] you run those before and after crashes to get a idea whats going on. [02:22] I'm assuming 10.04->10.10 will be a seamless upgrade? or will it require a re-run of live cd, and reinstall and re-setup? [02:23] just make sure you have 10.04 fully up to date before you try it [02:23] yeah [02:23] still could have issues though [02:23] so if i am reinstalling anyway, should wait for it to go live and just install straight, ok [02:24] thats a users choice, i always like to have a up todate version for testing and fixing things, if you zsync it you can have it completely up to date [02:25] hello [02:25] someone ih there ? [02:25] someon can help me ? [02:30] julius__: just state your question [02:30] And if someone can help you, they will === iConfused is now known as iConfused|sleep [02:41] is there a package that puts colored icons back in the user menu? [02:42] the gray speech bubbles all look the same [02:42] having colors actually made them useful [02:54] i can see a big improvement on flash with mesa drivers, what is changed on both, on maverick? [02:57] BobPOW, add the wine repos to your sources.list [02:58] #winehq can help [02:58] Ok, thanks [02:58] BobPOW: if You have no internet connection on that PC. you proberly DONT want to be using 10.10 at this time. [02:58] theres so many updates every day.. (havent checked today) [02:59] 24mb of updates since 8 hrs ago.. :) [03:01] without internet on that machine you are going to have a hard time [03:01] but [03:02] I suggest going to packages.ubuntu.com and downloading the .deb file and dependencies from there [03:03] Ok, thanks for the url, I'm checking it out now [03:04] BobPOW: welcome [03:13] Thanks for helping me out. I need to get off the computer for now. See you all later. [03:17] I cant install 10.10! It kees freezing at retrieving file 2 of 6 [04:10] ppa removal anyone? [04:11] !info ppa [04:11] Package ppa does not exist in maverick [04:11] !ppa [04:11] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [04:12] use ppa-purge [04:13] !ppa-purge [04:13] bjsnider: thanks! [04:16] would ubuntu 10.10 be a lts version in the future? [04:16] no it would not [04:17] oh, i have know all what i want to know [04:17] s/know/known [04:22] when the real arrives, can beta just be upgraded? [04:22] crashy telepathy-butterfly anyone? [04:23] jiohdi, yes [04:23] 10.10 beta seems a bit sluggish on a nettop [04:24] So... I screwed up my computer and removed something I shouldn't have..... [04:25] I can connecto to both wireless and wired networks. I can ping IP's. But I can't resolve hostnames to IP's. Any ideas why? [04:25] Bug #597381 [04:25] Launchpad bug 597381 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _signal_text_received()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597381 [04:29] MTeck: just a guess, but seems like DHCP related? [04:29] not sure if I got those letters right [04:29] gall dangit.... [04:30] I setup the chroot.... but this cd I have is for 32bit [04:32] I'm guessing I'm screwed here - until I can get a 64bit live cd... [04:32] unless I knew exactly what I was missing so I could grab debs [04:39] MTeck Im curious, what happens when you try to run apt? [04:40] ChogyDan: apt works fine [04:40] MTeck so why doesn't it work? [04:41] I can't resolve dns - so while apt works fine, it can't download anything [04:42] MTeck how about: sudo mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf or something like that [04:42] ChogyDan: I usually just cp -L [04:42] but that won't help me.. [04:42] I can't chroot into it [04:43] I'm on a 32bit live cd (only normal sized cd I have) and the system is 64bit === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC [05:32] hey is meerkat stable enough to install atm? [05:32] i really don't want to have to download and install 10.04 then 10.10 in 3 weeks [05:32] and i want to update today [05:33] hi all [05:33] i installed a clean 10.10 kubuntu amd64 daily alternate build and it has a faint outline of a plasmoid stuck on the desktop [05:34] any idea how to get a list of running plasmoids? [05:34] or just any idea as to what it might be? [05:34] Hello. How stable is the current dailybuild? [05:34] loutasker: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta it is stable FOR ME. YMMV. [05:34] thanks IdleOne [05:34] dlbike76: seems pretty stable to me [05:35] dlbike76: from here on out, should just be bugfixing until release [05:38] release is in 3 weeks right? [05:39] release on 10/10/10! [06:28] Hi guys. Testing out Maverick beta on an old laptop here, but ran into a problem and I was looking for advice. My laptop had 10.04 on it with no sweat, so I decided to do a fresh install of 10.10. I do a fairly standard procedure, use custom partitioning and preserve the partitions (/dev/sda1:swap, /dev/sda2:/boot, /dev/sda3:/). But this time I decide to experiment and set / as btrfs. Install goes well from there and I restart. On booting I get a [07:07] hi folks. I am having problems getting fgrx running on ATI in Meerkat [07:07] fglrx [07:07] I tried the x-swat solution from the ubuntu forums, however I get a segmentation fault during startx [07:08] any fixes? I really need multi-monitor support. the default driver gives me weird resolutios (un-workable) [07:16] I don't think amd has released a working fglrx for maverick yet [07:17] kklimonda thanks [07:27] cactaur: strange that it did not pass my head [07:31] shcherbak: Seen anything like it? [07:43] The file /sys/power/resume on my Ubuntu 10.10computer contains: "0.0". What does this value effect? [07:43] The file /sys/power/resume on my Ubuntu 10.10 computer contains: "0:0". What does this value effect? [07:45] hi all [07:46] a few weeks ago, i tried to install 10.10 beta, but it didn't detect my hdd's [07:46] i found this: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16606 [07:46] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16606 in Serial ATA "sata_sil no longer detects sata hard disk" [High,Resolved: code_fix] [07:46] will this go into the 10.10 release? [07:46] I think it's time to give up making this system work for tonight..... [07:47] at least I have more than one..... (I wish true anyway) [08:21] papegaaij: kernel freeze was sometime ago.. so don't know [08:21] download the kernel source package and see if the patch is there === iConfused|sleep is now known as iConfused [10:48] Against what package would one report errors with hibernate (or actually waking up again)? [11:44] hi poeple... short question: I just installed maverick on my computer.. and for some reason X always consumes 100% cpu power from one of my processors... any ideaß [11:44] ? [11:46] howlymowly: control logs, raise debug levels, ... the usual thinks to do :) [11:52] alvin, there is an existing bug for sleep/hibernate and resume - bug568711 [11:54] sandGorgon: Thanks! [11:54] bug 568711 [11:54] Launchpad bug 568711 in linux (Ubuntu) "Resume from suspend does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568711 [11:56] alvin, this bug is really, really frustrating and is why I'm being forced to use Win7 frequently. It's marked as confirmed, but medium importance and "unassigned" [11:57] I would pay for a bounty towards fixing this bug [11:58] sandGorgon: I see. It's indeed strange. I have several computers who couldn't resume from hibernate anymore since Lucid. (i would pay bounties for several bugs, but that's another discussion) [11:59] Well, I marked the bug as affecting me. Pity you can't say on how many computers ;-) [11:59] comment number 100 wraps up that bug nicely :) [11:59] alvin, seconded on the "several bugs" part ! I actually sent a mail to Linus asking him to start a unified bounty system for linux bugs - so that people vote on features with their purses. never got a reply :( [12:00] suspend/resume bugs are often very hardware specific and such broadly titled bug reports become quickly useless for anyone to actually work on fixing the bug [12:01] sandGorgon: That doesn't surprise me. Linus only (well, it's a lot) does the kernel [12:01] Trewas, it was triaged and confirmed : does that imply the cause was located ? [12:02] alvin, Linus is the fulcrum. A bounty system blessed by him, would quickly become the defacto - all for the good for those of us who earn through linux. [12:03] No, but it does imply that there is indeed a problem. hibernate is tricky because (quote Linux: ACPI was written by monkeys on crack). A lot of hardware has to receive exceptions and blacklisting and so on,... [12:03] sandGorgon: not really [12:04] alvin, did you by any chance give Tux-on-Ice a try ? I'm leanng towards giving it a try [12:05] Parts of the kernel already receive funding through the Linux foundation and developers from several distro's. Money should go to the distro's so they can pay their developers. Of course, that's only the kernel part. Ubuntu has ubuntu-specific bugs. Linus has nothing to do with that. (I'm looking at upstart) [12:05] sandGorgon: No, not heard of it. [12:06] hi, are custom keyboard shortcuts working ? netbook edition here [12:06] I chose Ubuntu. I do consider that choice a lot, but I do think it's still a viable option. It's fun to switch distro's when you're a student, but when you deployed close to 50 Ubuntu systems, you don't change them overnight. [12:06] need Mod4+T to open a gnome-terminal [12:06] alvin, that's the reason for LTS to exist ;-) [12:07] Yes, and that's a good thing. Unfortunately, LTS does not mean 'more stable' [12:07] alvin, true. the problem is that enterprise funding does not always intersect with desktop user needs. And that is what I propose on wanting. A way for the common man to put his $0.02 (literally) to vote for the features that he/she wants. And a stackoverflow like mechanism to upvote/downvote... the bounty being earned by the developer who implements it. crowdsourcing linux funding.. if you will [12:07] g0bl1n, same issue exists in lucid as well - that being the primary reason I tried out maverick in the first place [12:07] sandGorgon: True. this hibernate bug for example is not important for most enterprises. I miss it on my notebook, but that's about it. [12:08] sandGorgon, I had it working very well on 10.04 [12:08] I's give more importance to a reliable boot process [12:09] alvin, are you talking about the hibernating bug on a low batt status ? [12:09] alvin, for me my work is affected to a degree that I dont mind throwing money on it. and on getting a svgalib backend to the plymouth monstrosity [12:09] bug 568711 | g0bl1n [12:09] Launchpad bug 568711 in linux (Ubuntu) "Resume from suspend does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568711 [12:10] oh ok [12:10] g0bl1n: No, hibernating works (tested while plugged to the net), but resuming doesn't. [12:11] sandGorgon: Me too. Lucid (yes, the LTS) caused a whole network to have troubles with the network cards.(all mac addresses are wrong and several reboots are needed before the network connects. Manually running dhclient also works, but normal users don't have access) The bug is supposedly fixed, but I have not noticed it on any computer. still get daily phone calls with complaints. I might just switch network cards on all computers... [12:13] I'm hoping Maverick fixes it, but I didn't want to upgrade from the LTS release :-( [12:13] I'm loving Maverick netbook gui. really loving it [12:15] why does updating cache take so long, like over 15 minutes. is this normal or is there something broken? [12:16] it has been this way since the install several days ago and I've never seen this problem before [12:19] when I refresh update manager is when it takes over 15 minutes to complete, this isn't right, normally I expect a check of the repros to go rather quick [12:20] please someone comment as I feel something is broken [12:20] A lot of things change in the maverick repo's. Maybe you are on a slow connection? [12:21] alvin, I have a fast connection and never had this issue with years of linux distro usage [12:35] I unserstand that fglrx will not work on maverick? [12:41] anyone can suggest a fix for http://paste.ubuntu.com/498410/ ? [12:41] the same happens for radeon driver [12:48] sobczyk: Have you tried filing a bug report? [12:49] not yet, installed 10.10 while ago and was disappointed that there is no fglrx [12:50] is it normal that after crash I cant switch to console? [12:51] sobczyk: I think so. I don't have an ATI card, but after a crash switching to console gives a blank screen too. (nvidia) [12:51] I'll try disabling glx and see if it help, then file a bug report [12:53] ive updated to 10.10 .. but xorg needs up to 100% cpu ... is that a known bug? [13:12] I've got nvidia 3100M and nvidia's driver, and kwin often tells me the "compositing was slow and disabled", which is not expected. Any ideas what could be wrong? [13:21] one of the updates today includes update manager, perhaps this will resolve really slow cache update [13:25] i look a good general speed improvement on maverick, how was it possible? [13:34] fglrx is a bit of a deal breaker for me, unless there is a way to turn this damn fan down. [13:52] ive updated to 10.10 .. but xorg needs up to 100% cpu ... any ideas? [13:53] is there an evolution mail group? [14:04] anyone around? [14:04] !ask [14:04] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [14:05] thanks [14:07] what is causing (send/receive icon to be grayed out in evolution mail client [14:08] And to understand very well show images and share them in this site : http://imgur.com/ [14:14] as I updated to 10.10 I lost all sound, I knew that I had to install linux-alsa-driver-modules from dev repos, reboot and all worked fine, but it's not the case for maverick, even the hdmi audio is not working, any help? [14:19] anyone else lose the ability to mouse-scroll the volume control? === ZNC_shookees is now known as shookees [14:51] Does anyone else notice openoffice.org spamming apt-listchanges with changelogs? Or is something messed up on my system? [15:14] hey all, whats the best gmail app for the indicator applet ? [15:15] this can be opinion based :P [15:16] well since i use amsn anyway, i use amsn to notify me of new mail [15:16] for gmail? [15:16] yeah theres a pop3 plugin for it [15:17] actually wait [15:17] bcurtiswx_: there's only about 3, try them and see what you like [15:17] the plugin i use is called gnotify [15:17] OK [15:18] does one of them work with the indicator applet? [15:18] or all? [15:21] i have no idea [15:21] sorry [15:24] found one that fits what i want exactly! gm-notify [15:50] So. [15:50] I have no sound under maverick [15:50] this machine has not had any version of ubuntu before, so it could be a long-standing issue [15:50] hmm [15:50] * nemo hunts around for some older CDs [15:55] nemo, Did you upgrade? [16:00] xfact: this was a fresh install [16:00] xfact: laptop originally had, oh, windows 7 or something [16:01] is now nestled on a lil' partition that I haven't fired up [16:02] hum [16:02] found a CD that says "jaunty nightly" [16:02] let's see what happens.. [16:07] hi i'm experiencing a big problem with maverick: just installed and upgraded and the screen doesn't refresh if i don't type something in the keyboard or i move the mouse and system load is at 4.15 without doing nothing and the most consuming cpu process is the gnome-system-monitor at 8% [16:08] goshawk: what's your graphics card model? [16:08] and driver you're using for it? [16:08] xfact: BTW. not hearing anything under jaunty too [16:09] sooo, presumably not a regression [16:09] nemo i'm using a ati radeon [16:09] i didn't install any driver, no proprietary driver [16:09] goshawk: can you not get more precise, like, output from lspci? [16:10] ok. so not using fglrx [16:10] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series [16:10] hm. I don't know much about graphics in maverick, but I wonder if they have tried enabling 3d support yet [16:10] yep no fglrx [16:10] in the radeon driver [16:10] nemo, yep it's not about 3d [16:10] is compiz enabled? [16:10] it worked flawlessy [16:10] before [16:11] i think it's also in the tty1 this problem [16:11] let me try [16:11] wait [16:12] hm. so you're using radeonhd ? [16:13] nemo, [16:13] yep [16:14] sooo *does* it impact TTY? that would help narrow things down a bit at least [16:14] yep but it seems a problem of kslowd000 [16:14] it appears on my top [16:14] and yes [16:14] it happens on tty1 too [16:15] system load is 5.96 now with only xchat + gnome-terminal + top [16:16] nemo, found the problem [16:16] This sounds exactly like the issue I've been seeing on a T500 laptop, as [16:16] well (GM45 board). The slowdowns render the system essentially [16:16] unusable, as it can spend a loooong time just moving the mouse cursor a [16:16] few pixels on the screen. During this time, nothing else on the display [16:16] is updating (glxgears drops to 0fps). Things generally seem to be [16:17] working fine if I am not moving the mouse, or if I'm not running X. [16:17] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1238374 it seems a kernel problem [16:18] nice [16:18] goshawk: maybe you can solve my problem :) [16:18] although it doesn't seem to be maverick related unfortunately [16:20] nemo, say what's your problem maybe i can help [16:22] goshawk: no sound on this Sony VPC-B11KGX [16:23] devices all seem to be showing up in the panel fine [16:23] didn't seem to work in jaunty either though :( [16:24] in lspgimem the output of lspci [16:24] i had the same issue [16:24] let's see if it's the same audio card [16:25] yeah. 'sec [16:25] machine is under Windows 7 partition I kept around [16:25] wanted to make sure sound worked there [16:25] seems to be working, but really really soft... [16:26] ah. cranked up volume. is fine [16:28] two sound devices listed in windows, I assume one is the hdmi, and the other is the analog [16:28] alrighty. rebooting [16:29] hm. actually... my lspci is already in the kernel oops bug report I filed :) [16:29] anyone had problems with kopete not in system tray? [16:29] goshawk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/640154/+attachment/1591721/+files/Lspci.txt [16:30] Launchpad bug 640154 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference in ips_adjust in intel_ips on Sony VPC-B11KGX " [Undecided,New] [16:30] goshawk: for that one I just disabled intel_ips for now - looked like a total failure to correctly detect the HW [16:31] nemo, no it's a different [16:31] audio card [16:31] from mine [16:31] I see you discuss intel-ips, what the module is for? it spams the logs [16:33] sobczyk: heh. was reading the code yesterday... [16:34] nemo, did you try to alter the detection via alsa ? [16:34] ran a quick search for intel_ips on google codesearch... [16:34] goshawk: haven't tried anything except enabling the audio group ppa [16:34] goshawk: any suggestions happily taken [16:34] goshawk: oh. and fiddling around in the settings of course [16:34] trying to switch in gui between the various sound systems [16:35] sobczyk: anyway. is right in the header of the file [16:35] I'll message to avoid spam [16:36] but yeah, apparently about allowing the cpu and gpu to cooperate [16:36] since my system is totally failing on detection of cpu and gpu, seems like blacklisting for my HW is probably best [16:36] might be what the ubuntu team will end up doing anyway [16:36] this code looks to be fairly new too [16:36] is it intel graphics only? [16:38] nemo, [16:38] options snd-hda-intel model=auto [16:38] hm [16:38] on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf [16:38] alllrighty [16:39] sobczyk: looks like... but obviously I haven't looked into it too much [16:39] hm [16:39] ok. not that sure. but seems likely [16:45] why does gcalctool depends on liblaunchpad-integration1 :S [16:45] that isn't making sense to me [16:49] goshawk: BTW, killing pulseaudio is a great way to completely lock up gnome in maverick :( [16:49] even the simplest processes max out CPU [16:49] only way I could solve was restarting gdm [16:49] nemo, did you try to restart after the editing of alsa-base.conf ? [16:49] goshawk: this also happened if I tried switching to a silly audio device in the list in sound config (an input one instead of output) [16:49] restarting now [16:50] anyway, just selecting that device was enough to completely lock everything up [16:51] hi, how to update to 10.10 on the netbook edition [16:52] goshawk: no change [16:53] splashote, serioudly, don't do it [16:53] goshawk: not usable yet? [16:54] splashote, it's the worst beta i've ever seen with bugs at kernel level which makes my system sluggish [16:54] goshawk: ok, thanks for your advice. i think i'll try lxde then [16:55] :) [17:07] is maverick a car? [17:07] no [17:08] which is the possibility of [17:08] http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+maverick [17:08] having the ability to lasso files in list-view in nautilus [17:09] Mteck: google images, returns a car... lol [17:11] lasso files in list-view (brasero OK) , nautilus (no go) [17:34] bug #645370 [17:34] Launchpad bug 645370 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Suspend locks the screen despite gconf settings to the contrary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645370 [17:34] bug #645379 [17:34] Launchpad bug 645379 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "[regression] mousewheel over indicator volume control no longer changes volume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645379 [18:07] I think Evolution should have the Ubuntu branding [18:10] does the kernel that comes with maverick respond slow? maybe it's in a debug mode I am unaware of? [18:16] How dangerous would data=writeback be to use for /? [18:17] KipMacy: there's a lot of debugging enabled in the generic kernel [18:17] is there a quick way to turn it off, or do i just have to wait for release date [18:18] it'll always be there [18:18] it helps sith bug reporting [18:18] Like apport [18:18] I didn't notice any performance decreases this time though [18:18] That needs access [18:19] MTecknology, do you recall the ext4 troubles with empty files? [18:20] cwillu_at_work: not really.. [18:20] KipMacy, you're probably leaping to conclusions that you shouldn't be :p [18:20] MTecknology, well, you'll have the same sorts of troubles :p [18:20] * MichealH seconds cwillu_at_work [18:20] KipMacy, what's slow, such that you think the kernel is the problem? [18:20] files that were removed but the inode stayed? [18:21] cwillu_at_work: Do you think the first Email you get form evolution should have the Ubuntu branding [18:21] And the sender is "The Ubuntu Community" [18:21] MTecknology, file metadata should be fine, but the contents are not guarenteed: you may find files with old data, or empty, or any number of things after a unclean reboot [18:22] MichealH, I think such "welcome" emails should be banished from email clients [18:22] ohh I am so much looking forward to 10.10.. that package manager is just awesome! and network manager seems to be polished as well (no more stupid tray application but plasmoid) [18:22] they're just spam. That they come from the client itself doesn't change that. [18:22] cwillu_at_work: :L [18:22] cwillu_at_work: ok.. makes enough sense - probably not worth resking on a laptop - except for the partition that rarely has new content - I use it for compiling a lot of crap [18:22] MTecknology, if you have lots of memory, do your compiling on a tmpfs :p [18:23] cwillu_at_work: can you tell the kernel to compile inside of a tmpfs when the content sits on a permanent fs? [18:23] I'm using tmpfs for /tmp [18:23] MTecknology, yes, but this has nothing to do with the kernel [18:23] MTecknology, it's just a matter of telling the makefile where to build [18:23] cwillu_at_work: that's the biggest thing I compile in it [18:24] oh, you mean the kernel source, yes [18:24] I might have to play with that though... [18:24] I think most time is spent off the hard drive though [18:25] you'd be surprised [18:25] granted that cache is supposed to get you basically all of the benefits [18:25] but there's alot of small files generated and mucked about [18:25] my kernel fully compiled is also 2.5MB without any modules :P [18:25] * cwillu_at_work guesses MTecknology thinks that's relevant, although he can't imagine why :p [18:26] only relevant because we're talking about me compiling a kernel [18:26] I have one last question.... the sync mount option - how does that work [18:27] I know how I 'think' it would work - but the term async comes to mind [18:27] MTecknology, sync is... not what you want :p [18:27] oh..... [18:28] helpful man page [18:28] it means that no write calls return before the data hits the disk, which is basically never what you want [18:28] it's an implicit fsync after every call [18:28] that sounds kinda really slow [18:28] yes. [18:28] it has its uses [18:28] removable media. [18:29] so async would be default then.. [18:29] although you have to realize that in many situations, such writes represent partial work by an application, and aren't valid anyway [18:30] such applications are broken to begin with, but... [18:34] there's no fun mount options to play with for swap [18:34] only what you do with swap [18:35] you can put swap on a compressed loopback [18:35] that sounds super efficient :P [18:36] cwillu_at_work: you ever do that? [18:37] yes, on a compressed btrfs rootfs [18:37] made cmason cry, it did [18:37] lol [18:38] I can specify a max for tmpfs.. I know I can... [18:39] there... just had to remember how to work the new google [18:40] cwillu_at_work: maybe I should put /var/log on tmpfs too :D [18:40]