| ara | ev, good morning | 09:04 |
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| ara | ev, one question, what packages are installed if I select "Install 3rd party sw" during the installation? | 09:05 |
| * persia suspects ubuntu-restricted-addons | 09:08 | |
| ev | good morning ara | 09:10 |
| ev | ara: persia is correct | 09:10 |
| ara | ev, persia: OK, thanks both! | 09:10 |
| ev | well, that and everything that jockey installs for the broadcom driver, if it finds the hardware | 09:10 |
| ev | bcmwl-kernel-source, being the main one | 09:11 |
| ara | ev, is there any documentation about this change? (i.e. a spec in the wiki) | 09:11 |
| ev | just the giant installer redesign specification: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-installer-redesign | 09:12 |
| persia | ev, Does jockey only get invoked with install-3rd-party? | 09:12 |
| ev | persia: correct | 09:13 |
| ev | unless you use it in the live CD dekstop | 09:13 |
| ev | desktop* | 09:13 |
| ev | then it will copy the packages over to the installed system | 09:13 |
| ev | packages> packages it needed to install | 09:13 |
| persia | Just out of curiosity, from where did the name "Third Party Software" come? | 09:18 |
| ev | mpt | 09:22 |
| persia | Thanks :) | 09:22 |
| ev | with support from Andrew and Amanda | 09:22 |
| persia | Oh, I trust it's safe to say that, I just have reservations about calling it "external" from our repositories, and wanted to know who to chat with about emerging semantic concepts :) | 09:23 |
| ev | ah, of course :) | 09:24 |
| ev | he's your man then | 09:24 |
| persia | Yep :) | 09:24 |
| * mpt hides | 09:41 | |
| persia | mpt, heh. Just something to add to the agenda next time we sit and chat. My experience is generally that I hear more good things from you than I have things to complain about :) | 09:45 |
| ogra | party !!! | 10:18 |
| ogra | party can never be bad :) | 10:19 |
| ogra | and external means that its not you who has to clean up afterwards ... thats a good thing ! :) | 10:20 |
| ogra | ev, so i notice that it takes about 20sec between oem-config-gtk vanishing and the aptdaemon UI piece showing up on omap4, during that time (and during the whole aptdaemon run) the mouse cursor doesnt show the busy corsor, is there a possiblity we can enable that for this part as well ? | 11:54 |
| ev | hmm | 11:59 |
| * ogra wont file a wishlist bug if its tecnically complicated, thats why i'm asking | 12:00 | |
| ev | ogra: does this fix it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/498397/ | 12:12 |
| ogra | ev, oh, that requires some tinkering and a new install, will take some time | 12:16 |
| * ogra is just doing tests on the installed system | 12:17 | |
| CIA-28 | base-installer: cjwatson * r403 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog library.sh): | 13:29 |
| CIA-28 | base-installer: * Backport from trunk: | 13:29 |
| CIA-28 | base-installer: - Set Dir::Media::MountPath to /media/cdrom as well as | 13:29 |
| CIA-28 | base-installer: Acquire::cdrom::mount, as otherwise apt doesn't consistently read from | 13:29 |
| CIA-28 | base-installer: the right one. | 13:29 |
| CIA-28 | base-installer: cjwatson * r404 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.107ubuntu2 | 13:30 |
| ogra | ev, hmm, if we set the hostname during oem-config, we should actually restart sevices that make use of it (syslog and avahi-daemon at least) | 13:46 |
| ogra | i still see the old hostname in the logs and can only connect to <hostname>.local after manually restarting avahi | 13:51 |
| Riddell | ev: are you planning on uploading ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu at some point? | 16:03 |
| ev | ah, I hadn't seen that you made changes | 16:04 |
| ev | and that I forgot to debcommit -r | 16:04 |
| ev | yes | 16:04 |
| ev | after our team meeting | 16:04 |
| Riddell | sounds like I got in just in time :) | 16:05 |
| ev | :) | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | WIN | 16:14 |
| ogra | ev, so testing your busy cursor patch from above makes aptdaemon not start at all ... | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | lucid wubi install, upgrade grub-pc to maverick, IT STILL BOOTS | 16:15 |
| * cjwatson tries a full dist-upgrade | 16:15 | |
| ev | well whoops | 16:16 |
| ev | cjwatson: so I'm quite keen to pick your brain on how we might automatically test Wubi | 16:16 |
| ogra | i see a busy cursor for a second though :) | 16:16 |
| ogra | before it switches to gdm | 16:16 |
| ev | ogra: it's probably some variation on that, I've just clearly failed in my copy and paste madness | 16:16 |
| ogra | heh | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | ev: wow, er, not sure how to handle the Windows side of it and the multiple reboots ... | 16:17 |
| ev | cjwatson: exactly | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | especially given the already complex interaction with grub | 16:17 |
| ogra | ev, but its not that important, more a cosmetical thing, what i find more important are the syslog and avahi issues i pointed out above | 16:17 |
| ev | yes, my main concern is identifying grub failing as an actual failure and not wedging the test machine | 16:17 |
| ogra | esepcially avahi ... | 16:18 |
| ev | I think I can roughly accomplish it using a machine that supports boot on power and a timeout, but that seems a bit dirty | 16:18 |
| ev | (assuming we can cheat a little and change menu defaults) | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | I can't think of any other way to do it | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | I mean, if grub fails, it's not like you can run code | 16:20 |
| ev | yeah, indeed | 16:21 |
| ev | hm, maybe kvm-autotest? But that would mean no hope of doing it on real hardware | 16:21 |
| ev | something to ponder | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | I'm hoping for a bit less of this provided nobody asks for this spare laptop back | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | (this> wubi grub failures for extended periods of time in future) | 16:22 |
| ev | cjwatson: also, do you think it's worth it to try to suck out enough individual bits of dependencies of d-i components to test the interactions between them and ubiquity plugins, or should I just go full bore into a chroot? | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | suck out in what way? | 16:22 |
| ev | The latter seems slow and unreliable, but possibly the best option | 16:23 |
| ev | as in everything console-setup needs to run, for example | 16:23 |
| ev | I guess some dh hackery built on top of the existing build, I haven't thought of the implementation much | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | hmm | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | I suspect the latter will involve less time spent swearing at build systems | 16:24 |
| ev | unreliable> as in if the archive is in an inconsistent state, though I did have an idea to leverage an ISO | 16:24 |
| ev | indeed | 16:24 |
| ev | it would be great if we had a reliable userspace union mount | 16:25 |
| ev | then we could mount the ISO, copy on write with the union mount, then copy over the bits for the test and run | 16:25 |
| ev | which would be much, much quicker | 16:25 |
| ogra | doesnt unionfs-fuse work for that ? | 16:27 |
| ev | oh yeah, hrm | 16:28 |
| ev | will have to toy | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | "quicker" may not be the right adverb for unionfs-fuse | 16:28 |
| ev | heh | 16:28 |
| ogra | indeed | 16:29 |
| ogra | at least not the "much, much" part :) | 16:30 |
| CIA-28 | ubiquity: evand * r4391 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 18:15 |
| CIA-28 | ubiquity: Correctly use the plugin_translate hook in the KDE frontend | 18:15 |
| CIA-28 | ubiquity: (LP: #645092). | 18:15 |
| ara | ev, I tried to create a 10.04.1 netbook usb disk using usb-creator (on Maverick) and it does not boot on my mini9 | 18:18 |
| ara | ev, bug against usb-creator? known one= | 18:18 |
| ara | ? | 18:18 |
| ev | ara: is there a 'ui' keyword in your /syslinux/syslinux.cfg file? | 18:22 |
| ara | ev, no | 18:25 |
| ev | I want to say "change the part that reads 'gfxboot' to 'ui gfxboot'", but I seem to recall it being slightly more complicated than that | 18:30 |
| ev | otherwise superm1 would've fixed that with his commit | 18:30 |
| ev | I suspect incompatible syslinux binaries | 18:30 |
| ev | but my brain is somewhat melted from the day | 18:30 |
| ara | ev, OK, I'll call it a day as well | 18:31 |
| ara | ev, will file the bug tomorrow | 18:31 |
| ara | good night! | 18:32 |
| ev | g'night! | 18:32 |
| superm1 | it's incompatibilities for syslinux binaries afaik | 18:32 |
| ev | ah ha! | 18:32 |
| ev | so yeah, not fixable for Maverick | 18:32 |
| superm1 | yeah don't think so | 18:32 |
| ScottK | Sounds like release notes material. | 18:36 |
| ev | indeed | 18:37 |
| ev | usb-creator Maverick, so cutting edge that it doesn't look back (because it breaks if you try) | 18:37 |
| superm1 | well it might be a worthwhile solution to provide an error in the 10.10 usb creator that it's known not to work with earlier media or something when selected | 18:38 |
| ev | added to the release notes | 18:40 |
| ev | and indeed | 18:40 |
| EtienneG | hey guys, got a d-i question | 19:50 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, you are probably the best guy for that :) | 19:51 |
| EtienneG | i am trying to preseed apt-setup from an early_command using debconf-set, and it does not work | 19:51 |
| EtienneG | from the shell, if I do, say, "debconf-get apt-setup/local0/key", it returns nothing | 19:52 |
| EtienneG | but I did set it using "debconf-set apt-setup/local0/key ..." in the preseed/early_command | 19:53 |
| EtienneG | am i missing something? | 19:53 |
| cjwatson | run the entire installation with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer and send me the log | 19:53 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, doing that! | 19:53 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, thanks, must be late in your place | 19:53 |
| cjwatson | I bet you forgot to register the question. there are smarter tools but I'll need to check your log | 19:54 |
| cjwatson | also send me your preseed file | 19:54 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, sure thing | 19:55 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, but ... what is this "registering the question" thingy ... | 19:55 |
| EtienneG | should I declare the value outside of my early_command too? | 19:55 |
| EtienneG | that just might be my mistake | 19:55 |
| cjwatson | I'll explain when I've looked at the log | 19:56 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, you need only /var/log/syslog? | 20:02 |
| EtienneG | (and the preseed) | 20:02 |
| cjwatson | correct | 20:04 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, in your inbox | 20:05 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, just fyi, what I am trying to do is to have a location-aware preseed | 20:06 |
| EtienneG | based on the location, the mirror is at well-known, such as 10.x.10.10 | 20:06 |
| EtienneG | where x is variable | 20:06 |
| EtienneG | so I look at the default route, figure out x, and then preseed apt-set/local0/... accordingly | 20:07 |
| EtienneG | if there is a better way to do that, I am all ears! | 20:07 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, poke, have you had time to look at what we discussed earlier? (I know it is very late for you now, so it can wait until tomorrow if you did not) | 21:27 |
| cjwatson | it's evening, no | 21:28 |
| cjwatson | mostly been putting kids to bed | 21:28 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, ah, the routine! I have been away from home for three weeks, looking forward to do some of that. | 21:38 |
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