[09:04] <ara> ev, good morning
[09:05] <ara> ev, one question, what packages are installed if I select "Install 3rd party sw" during the installation?
[09:08]  * persia suspects ubuntu-restricted-addons
[09:10] <ev> good morning ara
[09:10] <ev> ara: persia is correct
[09:10] <ara> ev, persia: OK, thanks both!
[09:10] <ev> well, that and everything that jockey installs for the broadcom driver, if it finds the hardware
[09:11] <ev> bcmwl-kernel-source, being the main one
[09:11] <ara> ev, is there any documentation about this change? (i.e. a spec in the wiki)
[09:12] <ev> just the giant installer redesign specification: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-installer-redesign
[09:12] <persia> ev, Does jockey only get invoked with install-3rd-party?
[09:13] <ev> persia: correct
[09:13] <ev> unless you use it in the live CD dekstop
[09:13] <ev> desktop*
[09:13] <ev> then it will copy the packages over to the installed system
[09:13] <ev> packages> packages it needed to install
[09:18] <persia> Just out of curiosity, from where did the name "Third Party Software" come?
[09:22] <ev> mpt
[09:22] <persia> Thanks :)
[09:22] <ev> with support from Andrew and Amanda
[09:23] <persia> Oh, I trust it's safe to say that, I just have reservations about calling it "external" from our repositories, and wanted to know who to chat with about emerging semantic concepts :)
[09:24] <ev> ah, of course :)
[09:24] <ev> he's your man then
[09:24] <persia> Yep :)
[09:41]  * mpt hides
[09:45] <persia> mpt, heh.  Just something to add to the agenda next time we sit and chat.  My experience is generally that I hear more good things from you than I have things to complain about :)
[10:18] <ogra> party !!!
[10:19] <ogra> party can never be bad :)
[10:20] <ogra> and external means that its not you who has to clean up afterwards ... thats a good thing ! :)
[11:54] <ogra> ev, so i notice that it takes about 20sec between oem-config-gtk vanishing and the aptdaemon UI piece showing up on omap4, during that time (and during the whole aptdaemon run) the mouse cursor doesnt show the busy corsor, is there a possiblity we can enable that for this part as well ?
[11:59] <ev> hmm
[12:00]  * ogra wont file a wishlist bug if its tecnically complicated, thats why i'm asking
[12:12] <ev> ogra: does this fix it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/498397/
[12:16] <ogra> ev, oh, that requires some tinkering and a new install, will take some time
[12:17]  * ogra is just doing tests on the installed system
[13:29] <CIA-28> base-installer: cjwatson * r403 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog library.sh):
[13:29] <CIA-28> base-installer: * Backport from trunk:
[13:29] <CIA-28> base-installer:  - Set Dir::Media::MountPath to /media/cdrom as well as
[13:29] <CIA-28> base-installer:  Acquire::cdrom::mount, as otherwise apt doesn't consistently read from
[13:29] <CIA-28> base-installer:  the right one.
[13:30] <CIA-28> base-installer: cjwatson * r404 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.107ubuntu2
[13:46] <ogra> ev, hmm, if we set the hostname during oem-config, we should actually restart sevices that make use of it (syslog and avahi-daemon at least)
[13:51] <ogra> i still see the old hostname in the logs and can only connect to <hostname>.local after manually restarting avahi
[16:03] <Riddell> ev: are you planning on uploading ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu at some point?
[16:04] <ev> ah, I hadn't seen that you made changes
[16:04] <ev> and that I forgot to debcommit -r
[16:04] <ev> yes
[16:04] <ev> after our team meeting
[16:05] <Riddell> sounds like I got in just in time :)
[16:12] <ev> :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> WIN
[16:14] <ogra> ev, so testing your busy cursor patch from above makes aptdaemon not start at all ...
[16:15] <cjwatson> lucid wubi install, upgrade grub-pc to maverick, IT STILL BOOTS
[16:15]  * cjwatson tries a full dist-upgrade
[16:16] <ev> well whoops
[16:16] <ev> cjwatson: so I'm quite keen to pick your brain on how we might automatically test Wubi
[16:16] <ogra> i see a busy cursor for a second though :)
[16:16] <ogra> before it switches to gdm
[16:16] <ev> ogra: it's probably some variation on that, I've just clearly failed in my copy and paste madness
[16:17] <ogra> heh
[16:17] <cjwatson> ev: wow, er, not sure how to handle the Windows side of it and the multiple reboots ...
[16:17] <ev> cjwatson: exactly
[16:17] <cjwatson> especially given the already complex interaction with grub
[16:17] <ogra> ev, but its not that important, more a cosmetical thing, what i find more important are the syslog and avahi issues i pointed out above
[16:17] <ev> yes, my main concern is identifying grub failing as an actual failure and not wedging the test machine
[16:18] <ogra> esepcially avahi ...
[16:18] <ev> I think I can roughly accomplish it using a machine that supports boot on power and a timeout, but that seems a bit dirty
[16:18] <ev> (assuming we can cheat a little and change menu defaults)
[16:20] <cjwatson> I can't think of any other way to do it
[16:20] <cjwatson> I mean, if grub fails, it's not like you can run code
[16:21] <ev> yeah, indeed
[16:21] <ev> hm, maybe kvm-autotest?  But that would mean no hope of doing it on real hardware
[16:21] <ev> something to ponder
[16:21] <cjwatson> I'm hoping for a bit less of this provided nobody asks for this spare laptop back
[16:22] <cjwatson> (this> wubi grub failures for extended periods of time in future)
[16:22] <ev> cjwatson: also, do you think it's worth it to try to suck out enough individual bits of dependencies of d-i components to test the interactions between them and ubiquity plugins, or should I just go full bore into a chroot?
[16:22] <cjwatson> suck out in what way?
[16:23] <ev> The latter seems slow and unreliable, but possibly the best option
[16:23] <ev> as in everything console-setup needs to run, for example
[16:23] <ev> I guess some dh hackery built on top of the existing build, I haven't thought of the implementation much
[16:24] <cjwatson> hmm
[16:24] <cjwatson> I suspect the latter will involve less time spent swearing at build systems
[16:24] <ev> unreliable> as in if the archive is in an inconsistent state, though I did have an idea to leverage an ISO
[16:24] <ev> indeed
[16:25] <ev> it would be great if we had a reliable userspace union mount
[16:25] <ev> then we could mount the ISO, copy on write with the union mount, then copy over the bits for the test and run
[16:25] <ev> which would be much, much quicker
[16:27] <ogra> doesnt unionfs-fuse work for that ?
[16:28] <ev> oh yeah, hrm
[16:28] <ev> will have to toy
[16:28] <cjwatson> "quicker" may not be the right adverb for unionfs-fuse
[16:28] <ev> heh
[16:29] <ogra> indeed
[16:30] <ogra> at least not the "much, much" part :)
[18:15] <CIA-28> ubiquity: evand * r4391 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[18:15] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Correctly use the plugin_translate hook in the KDE frontend
[18:15] <CIA-28> ubiquity: (LP: #645092).
[18:18] <ara> ev, I tried to create a 10.04.1 netbook usb disk using usb-creator (on Maverick) and it does not boot on my mini9
[18:18] <ara> ev, bug against usb-creator? known one=
[18:18] <ara> ?
[18:22] <ev> ara: is there a 'ui' keyword in your /syslinux/syslinux.cfg file?
[18:25] <ara> ev, no
[18:30] <ev> I want to say "change the part that reads 'gfxboot' to 'ui gfxboot'", but I seem to recall it being slightly more complicated than that
[18:30] <ev> otherwise superm1 would've fixed that with his commit
[18:30] <ev> I suspect incompatible syslinux binaries
[18:30] <ev> but my brain is somewhat melted from the day
[18:31] <ara> ev, OK, I'll call it a day as well
[18:31] <ara> ev, will file the bug tomorrow
[18:32] <ara> good night!
[18:32] <ev> g'night!
[18:32] <superm1> it's incompatibilities for syslinux binaries afaik
[18:32] <ev> ah ha!
[18:32] <ev> so yeah, not fixable for Maverick
[18:32] <superm1> yeah don't think so
[18:36] <ScottK> Sounds like release notes material.
[18:37] <ev> indeed
[18:37] <ev> usb-creator Maverick, so cutting edge that it doesn't look back (because it breaks if you try)
[18:38] <superm1> well it might be a worthwhile solution to provide an error in the 10.10 usb creator that it's known not to work with earlier media or something when selected
[18:40] <ev> added to the release notes
[18:40] <ev> and indeed
[19:50] <EtienneG> hey guys, got a d-i question
[19:51] <EtienneG> cjwatson, you are probably the best guy for that :)
[19:51] <EtienneG> i am trying to preseed apt-setup from an early_command using debconf-set, and it does not work
[19:52] <EtienneG> from the shell, if I do, say, "debconf-get apt-setup/local0/key", it returns nothing
[19:53] <EtienneG> but I did set it using "debconf-set apt-setup/local0/key ..." in the preseed/early_command
[19:53] <EtienneG> am i missing something?
[19:53] <cjwatson> run the entire installation with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer and send me the log
[19:53] <EtienneG> cjwatson, doing that!
[19:53] <EtienneG> cjwatson, thanks, must be late in your place
[19:54] <cjwatson> I bet you forgot to register the question.  there are smarter tools but I'll need to check your log
[19:54] <cjwatson> also send me your preseed file
[19:55] <EtienneG> cjwatson, sure thing
[19:55] <EtienneG> cjwatson, but ... what is this "registering the question" thingy ...
[19:55] <EtienneG> should I declare the value outside of my early_command too?
[19:55] <EtienneG> that just might be my mistake
[19:56] <cjwatson> I'll explain when I've looked at the log
[20:02] <EtienneG> cjwatson, you need only /var/log/syslog?
[20:02] <EtienneG> (and the preseed)
[20:04] <cjwatson> correct
[20:05] <EtienneG> cjwatson, in your inbox
[20:06] <EtienneG> cjwatson, just fyi, what I am trying to do is to have a location-aware preseed
[20:06] <EtienneG> based on the location, the mirror is at well-known, such as 10.x.10.10
[20:06] <EtienneG> where x is variable
[20:07] <EtienneG> so I look at the default route, figure out x, and then preseed apt-set/local0/... accordingly
[20:07] <EtienneG> if there is a better way to do that, I am all ears!
[21:27] <EtienneG> cjwatson, poke, have you had time to look at what we discussed earlier?   (I know it is very late for you now, so it can wait until tomorrow if you did not)
[21:28] <cjwatson> it's evening, no
[21:28] <cjwatson> mostly been putting kids to bed
[21:38] <EtienneG> cjwatson, ah, the routine!  I have been away from home for three weeks, looking forward to do some of that.