[09:24] <dpm> fta, fta2, hey, good morning. Ok, now both the FF and TB pages are made into a table
[09:24] <fta2> dpm, great
[10:22] <fta2> grrrr  /usr/include/cairo/cairo.h:1976: error: comma at end of enumerator list
[10:23] <fta2> prevents me from building my projects with -werror -pedantic
[11:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you mind if I update deejayd over the weekend?
[12:13] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, that should be ok
[12:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[16:55] <bdrung_> hi micahg and chrisccoulson. can you have a look at bug #645339?
[16:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 645339 in mozilla-devscripts (Ubuntu) "Drop transitional and removed packages from Recommends (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645339
[16:56] <micahg> bdrung_: I can run the rebuilds this weekend
[16:58] <bdrung_> micahg: for some of the main packages we need an ACK from ubuntu-release
[16:58]  * micahg just found another thing that needs to be added from the mozilla-packageset
[16:58] <micahg> *to
[16:58] <micahg> bdrung_: ubufox will need one, what else is in main?
[16:58] <bdrung_> micahg: mozilla-devscripts ;)
[16:59] <bdrung_> bindwood
[16:59] <micahg> bdrung_: yeah, that's why it's not in the packageset ATM :(
[16:59] <micahg> bdrung_: no, that's in universe
[16:59] <bdrung_> micahg: strange: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bindwood
[16:59] <micahg> the only other extension in main that I know of is mozvoikko
[17:00] <micahg> bdrung_: says universe
[17:00] <micahg> hmm
[17:00] <micahg> says main on top and universe for each release
[17:00] <micahg> bdrung_: karmic updates were accidentally published to main
[17:01] <bdrung_> aha
[17:02] <micahg> bdrung_: should we add a task for ubufox?
[17:02] <micahg> so they can ack both
[17:03] <bdrung_> micahg: yes
[17:03] <bdrung_> micahg: i already thought that we should open task for all affected extensions after we got the ack
[17:03] <micahg> bdrung_: well, they need to ack the ones in main, the universe ones I don't think need an ack
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> please don't do a rebuild of ubufox just yet, there's another change that needs to in before release
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> *needs to go in
[17:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> we need to update the start page URL (when it goes live)
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> i pinged someone in OLS about that a couple of days ago
[17:12] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: k
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, i might want to make some changes to mozilla-devscripts in the next couple of weeks (or at the start of natty)
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> to add support for packed extensions in FF4.0
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> although, i've not tried those out just yet
[17:16] <micahg> bdrung_: I have to run right now, I'll check back later to see if I need to do anything
[17:17] <micahg> BTW, if you need an example, all-in-one-sidebar hasn't been rebuilt since 0.21
[17:17]  * micahg will bbiab
[17:18] <micahg> bdrung_: ^^^
[17:18] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: do you have push rights?
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, in debian? nope ;)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> or you mean to bzr?
[17:20] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: to the bzr branch
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, yeah, i can push to bzr
[17:22] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: just push your changes there and let me know once m-d needs to be released to debian. i will review it and upload it. are you DM or DD?
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, i'm not ;)
[17:23] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: so: become one! ;)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> :)
[17:34] <fta> http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/09/16/comic-the-difference-between-android-and-iphone-this-pretty-much-sums-it-up/   :)
[18:37] <micahg> bdrung_: so we're good for the rebuild?
[18:38] <bdrung_> micahg: i think so.
[18:39] <micahg> bdrung_: k, I'll be offline from this evening through Sat night, but will check over the weekend for 0.24 and if it's there, rebuild the universe extensions
[18:40] <bdrung_> micahg: thanks
[18:45] <micahg> bdrung_: do you want me to take care of the eclipse -7 update as well?
[18:46] <bdrung_> micahg: eclipse -7?
[18:46] <micahg> bdrung_: 3.5.2-7 was uploaded to sid
[18:46] <bdrung_> micahg: but there is no reason for pulling it into maverick, are there?
[18:47] <bdrung_> micahg: otherwise we have to pull lucene2 2.9.3+ds1-1
[18:47] <micahg> bdrung_: ah, that's the part I didn't check yet
[18:47] <micahg> I wanted to see if we needed something like that
[18:48] <bdrung_> micahg: we could pull the *squeeze1 packages (eclipse and lucene2)
[18:48] <bdrung_> micahg: feel free to do that
[18:48] <Dimmuxx> hmm it seems that #438868 behaves different in firefox 4
[18:48] <micahg> bdrung_: that was my next thought
[18:49] <micahg> bdrung_: the version in maverick should be sufficient
[18:49] <micahg> according to the depends
[18:49] <Dimmuxx> instead of not showing hits it just replaces the letter you write all the time so s->a->v->..
[18:49] <micahg> lucene I mean
[18:50] <bdrung_> micahg: "Made (Build)-Depends on lucene2 and sat4j stricter" means that eclipse will complain if you want to install a newer lucene2 or sat4j version
[18:50] <micahg> from testing:                    adep: 	liblucene2-java 	 (>= 2.9.2+ds1)
[18:50] <micahg> liblucene2-java | 2.9.2+ds1-1 | maverick/universe | all
[18:51] <micahg> same for sat4j
[18:51] <micahg> bdrung_: if you don't think we need that, then I won't do it
[18:52] <bdrung_> micahg: we could need it and as you wrote the uploads to testing-proposed-updates can be used for maverick.
[18:52] <micahg> bdrung_: k, so if you like, I"ll make sure it builds and then request the sync
[18:53] <bdrung_> micahg: good plan
[18:53] <micahg> bdrung_: I like to keep things as close to Debian barring Freeze violations
[18:54] <bdrung_> micahg: me too
[18:55] <micahg> Now, I just need to get more involved in Debian, so it's a simple sync vs merge for most things
[19:00] <micahg> bdrung_: any idea when iceweasel 3.6 will transition to sid?
[19:00] <bdrung_> micahg: after squeeze is released
[19:01] <micahg> :(
[19:01] <bdrung_> micahg: that's due to xulrunner. they want only one version of xulrunner in the archive
[19:01] <micahg> that means most likely, we'll need to do the extension updates in Ubuntu first and then update Debian once 4.0 is in experimental
[19:03] <micahg> bdrung_: we'll be discussing the transition at UDS
[19:05] <bdrung_> micahg: what speaks against doing the extension update in debian? will the updates support 4.0, but drop support for 3.5?
[19:06] <bdrung_> micahg: BTW, UDS - what's the status of having scripts for browser plugins?
[19:08] <fta> hmm, my ssh server is slow to accept connections today.. regression?
[19:09] <fta> timeout on avahi-daemon.. interesting
[19:10] <fta> indeed, killing avahi-daemon fixed it
[19:12] <micahg> bdrung_: that's fine if it works :)
[19:13] <micahg> bdrung_: some extensions might drop support for 3.x, that's what I"m worried about
[19:14] <micahg> bdrung_: you mean the idea I had before the last UDS, I guess I can look into it before UDS, that would be nice to have since we have to migrate everything this cycl
[19:14] <micahg> e
[19:14] <bdrung_> micahg: if they do, we will have to do more work
[19:15] <bdrung_> micahg: yes, bug #516350
[19:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 516350 in mozilla-devscripts "provide plugin build/install assistance (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516350
[19:15] <micahg> bdrung_: yeah, i can try to look at that after Maverick release
[19:16] <bdrung_> ok
[19:16] <micahg> I'll be working up to the deadline of fixing stuff for maverick, trying to sync/merge RC fixes
[22:12] <fta> jdstrand, hi. Please correct me if i'm wrong but if i understand the minutes of the last TB meeting correctly, 1/ chromium is doomed to stay in universe forever - no main, no default, ever, 2/ it should fallback to no system libs at all and 3/ no more SRU, just blind uploads.  Is that correct?
[22:13] <jdstrand> fta: I think 'forever' for '1' is not quite accurate. certainly for now
[22:13] <jdstrand> fta: '2' fallback, yes, but can continue to use them as long as it doesn't cause problems
[22:14] <jdstrand> fta: '3' that I was not clear on, since it didn't get added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[22:14] <jdstrand> fta: but bzr did
[22:15] <jdstrand> fta: I can follow up on that
[22:15] <fta> jdstrand, please do.
[22:16] <jdstrand> 16:16 < kees> jdstrand: I think a final proposal needs to be made by fta to TB,  which includes the feedback given during the last meeting.
[22:21] <fta> jdstrand, uh? what info should i provide that has not already been provided by chrisccoulson, you and kees?
[22:23] <jdstrand> fta: I guess you need a formal request that meets the criteria in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions along with any other pertinent information
[22:23] <jdstrand> fta: I've not requested one before. you might ask kees or pitti or someone else on the TB for more info
[22:32] <fta> ok, i'll try that. thanks
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, did m-d get sync'd?
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> not yet, it seems
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> i need to upload ubufox to switch the start page really :/
[22:35] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: rhetorical questions...
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> actually, it's not live yet
[22:35] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: i could use syncpackage
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> but it will be soon :)
[22:35] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: or ask an archive admin
[22:36] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: how will the start page look like?
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, AFAIK, it's mostly the same (but it has a new URL)
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm not entirely sure there though
[22:37] <fta> jdstrand, upstream just landed libsrtp in trunk, i assume there's no point trying to bend the build system to make it use our system libsrtp0, right?
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> i need to make this automated really, so we don't have to keep updating ubufox to pick up the new start page
[22:38] <fta> (assuming it's even the same lib)
[22:39] <jdstrand> fta: if google plans to maintain it as part of chromium, then I suppose not, no
[22:40] <fta> jdstrand, they actively maintain all the libs they host in their tree, and that's quite a lot: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/DEPS
[22:41] <bdrung_> jdstrand: here's ^ the reason why i like to get it processed
[22:43] <fta> bdrung_, referring to chromium?
[22:44] <bdrung_> fta: no, referring to my discussion with chrisccoulson about mozilla-devscripts
[22:44] <fta> oh, n-m then
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, fta, sorry, i've not looked at the TB discussion for a few days now. is there anything i need to be doing?
[22:46] <bdrung_> fta: n-m?
[22:46] <fta> chrisccoulson, i have to admit what i read from the minutes makes me wonder if chromium is really welcome. the PPAs seem to be enough
[22:46] <fta> bdrung_, never-mind
[22:46] <bdrung_> k
[22:47] <fta> chrisccoulson, but at the same time, there's not enough resources with the number of daily recipes and translation jobs taking over the build farm
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, that's a real pain right now. i noticed it with the mozilla dailies too
[22:48] <fta> chrisccoulson, not to mention that PPAs only attract techies, not regular & casual users
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> fta - are you still building for jaunty?
[22:48] <fta> chrisccoulson, yes but i think i should stop
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, you should stop jaunty on all dailies really, that's going EOL in a few weeks anyway
[22:49] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: thanks to jdstrand: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-devscripts/0.24
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> also, i'm wondering whether there's any value in doing the ff-4.0 dailies on anything earlier than lucid
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> seeing as those releases will never see ff-4.0, and most users running the dailies aren't going to be using hardy or karmic
[22:50] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: valid reason
[22:52] <fta> i wanted to extract some stats from lp but it's not ready. i keep pushing the lp guys to complete the task though
[22:53] <fta> seems the remaining work is trivial
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would be useful
[22:55] <fta> i'll try again tomorrow morning
[22:56] <fta> fta@cube:/data/bot/confs $ perl -i -pe "s/, 'jaunty'//" *.conf
[22:56] <fta> done