[00:07] <Muscovy> I see I missed a busy few hours last night.
[00:46] <UndiFineD> indeed you did
[00:48] <UndiFineD> updating my eeepc, at misses request, and I am going to make a virtualbox for screenshots
[01:01] <Muscovy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Screenshots has screenshot spec stuff.
[01:02] <Muscovy> There's a handy ISO linked on there with the latest themes and stuff, plus the user ubuntu_tour.
[01:03] <UndiFineD> thanks
[01:03] <UndiFineD> save me some trouble
[01:04] <Muscovy> I was actually just about to boot into it to take some.
[01:04] <Muscovy> What were you planning on covering?
[01:04] <Muscovy> I thought I'd clean up the old/incorrect-user ones on about-ubuntu.
[01:05] <UndiFineD> dutch
[01:05] <UndiFineD> I hate the ones I made before
[01:06] <UndiFineD> and making them in a vm is required for context menu's
[01:06] <Muscovy> Context menus?
[01:06] <UndiFineD> besides that, it will be lower resolution too, as my 1920x1050 is a bit much
[01:07] <UndiFineD> like clicking on the network icon, or selecting properties on a file/folder
[01:09] <UndiFineD> 1265 kB/s, very nice
[01:09] <UndiFineD> not the fastest, but pretty good
[01:28] <UndiFineD> i hate doing updates for the eeepc, it is such a long time taking process
[01:29] <UndiFineD> doing 450 updates is slower than downloading and installing a new iso
[01:43] <Muscovy> :|
[01:44] <Muscovy> I only did one dist upgrade, then I learned that.
[01:45] <Muscovy> A cronjob of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y might be handy for updates to the eeepc.
[01:46] <Muscovy> I would do that with my computer, but I tinker enough to need to see the updates.
[01:52] <undifined_> well, I don't want it to do all updates just because there is this minor thing
[01:52] <undifined_> it has been a few weeks / months since last update
[04:42] <Muscovy> 'night all.
[04:42] <Muscovy> I've done some screenshot fixing updates.
[04:42] <Muscovy> Hopefully tomorrow I can get on taking new ones.
[18:07] <MadnessRed> hi
[18:09] <Omega> Hey
[19:36] <webrsk> Hi MadnessRed :) I would like to have a quick discussion with you.
[19:36] <MadnessRed> sure
[19:36] <MadnessRed> how can I help?
[19:36] <webrsk> I would like to contribute more in programming .
[19:37] <MadnessRed> ok, do you know python?
[19:38] <webrsk> Ya I have built some tools using Python , PyGtk :)
[19:39] <MadnessRed> ok kl,
[19:39] <webrsk> More exp in Php/MySQL but not sure that will be useful for ubuntu-tour .. :)
[19:40] <MadnessRed> well php implies html/javascript knowledge which could be useful for making the tour side look pretty
[19:41] <MadnessRed> but you are welcome to help with the project, many thanks for your offer :)
[19:41] <MadnessRed> do you know how bzr works?
[19:42] <webrsk> Yes i just updated 2 revision on our branch ..
[19:42] <webrsk> I got the code played a bit with it :)
[19:43] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[19:43] <MadnessRed> what did you do?
[19:43] <webrsk> :)
[19:44] <webrsk> I just updated the css heading and changed the image path :)
[19:44] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:45] <MadnessRed> if you look at tour.py, near the bottom it makes a html page
[19:45] <webrsk> Because im not sure about the plans for the backend..So i just want to have a discuss with you after that can proceed based on the priority :)
[19:45] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:47] <webrsk> yes the start.html acts like a header and end.html acts like a footer for the html pages..
[19:47] <MadnessRed> im not sure what the plans are at the moment, there have been a few mockup's going round the mailing list
[19:48] <MadnessRed> but I think for now we need to get the tours worked out, do you know regex?
[19:50] <webrsk> ok !! regex ya worked on php but not in python , but its manageable :)
[19:52] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:53] <MadnessRed> could you create a regex find replace in tour.py, near the bottom in the format html section,
[19:53] <MadnessRed> and expect a tag like:
[19:54] <MadnessRed> <screenshot width="100" height="100" tooltip="Screenshot" src="images/screen.png" />
[19:54] <MadnessRed> and change it into a image, inside an a, and when the a is clicked on, it opens something like lightbox, which will show a larger preview
[19:55] <MadnessRed> so change it to something like:
[19:56] <MadnessRed> <a href="#" onclick="lightbox('images/screen.png'); return false" tooltip="Screenshot"><img width="100" height="100" src="images/screen.png" /></a>
[19:56] <MadnessRed> just to make it easier for tour designers to add screenshots which would have a consistent look
[19:56] <webrsk> :) :)  Sure , Ill try it out ..... so inside parse_html function ?
[19:57] <webrsk> ya its a good idea our regex will surely help for this :)
[19:57] <MadnessRed> yes please, I think regex is the best way to do it, but I never really got regex,
[19:58] <MadnessRed> I think if you could find <screenshot *** /> And you found the start and end of that tag, it would be fairly easy to do, you could also specify default screenshot widths and heights
[19:58] <webrsk> yes you are right :) I got the logic ...
[19:59] <webrsk> but as of now there is no page using screenshot tag . am i right ?
[20:00] <MadnessRed> no,
[20:00] <MadnessRed> sorry yes you are right, there are no pages
[20:01] <webrsk> ok so once we implement this function , we can ask user to add a tag like screenshot wherever its required.
[20:01] <MadnessRed> also the tooltip="" is not correct, but I am planning another replace using wz_tooltip
[20:01] <MadnessRed> yep
[20:01] <MadnessRed> I will also convert a few of the tutorials, to use it, to show how it works
[20:02] <MadnessRed> if you want there is a tour called html-test, feel free to put any tests/demos in there
[20:04] <webrsk> ok :) sure ill make use of it.. And one more thing guess for tooltip and lightbox there is no code in the present revision , so i shall add a style for it !!  rite..
[20:05] <MadnessRed> yes please
[20:05] <webrsk> Cool then :)
[20:06] <Phaiax> @webrsk: i've purposely set the img path to ../en. It schould be easy to copy for other language editors. So they don't come up with the idea to copy the whole image in their own language-image-folder.
[20:07] <MadnessRed> :) thanks, if you need anything feel free to ask,
[20:07] <webrsk> Hello Phaix : Is that so. I have checked the other pages but it has been set to images so i thought to make it unique..
[20:07] <MadnessRed> if I am not on my email is madnessred [at] gmail [dot] com
[20:07] <webrsk> Sure MadnessRed, Nice to meet you here :) will mail you once im done with it :)
[20:08] <MadnessRed> ok thanks,
[20:11] <webrsk> @Phaiax: Each language will have their own screenshots where textual content is applied and for general images it can be common. correct me if im wrong. !
[20:14] <Phaiax> i'dont know if i understand you correctly, but if i do, i would say: you're right
[20:14] <Phaiax> but there is the point where to put common images
[20:15] <Phaiax> i tought they belong in the english folder because 'en' is ubuntus default fallback language
[20:16] <Phaiax> but we can also create a language independent image folder...
[20:16] <Phaiax> i'm not a softwaredesigner (but programmer and my design is sometimes terrible) ... so i'm not shure what to do
[20:18] <webrsk> I can understand your design and plans for the language/images.
[20:22] <webrsk> Let me give an example : The top panel image is now parked in images folder , but actually it should be in en/images folder because the screenshot is in english.
[20:23] <webrsk> @Phaiax: is that right ?
[20:24] <webrsk> because that image is common for all languages!! for spanish there will be a different image.
[20:24] <Phaiax> it is currently in the en/images folder
[20:25] <Phaiax> there is currently no common folder or am i wrong
[20:25] <webrsk> ok yes you are right !!
[20:25] <webrsk> :)
[20:27] <Phaiax> okay
[20:29] <Phaiax> Notice for all: The paser translates all line-breaks in source into real linebreaks in the view (I don't know why, but it does). That means: no linebreakes on the top of the source code
[20:29] <Phaiax> first line should be: <h2>Title</h2><div>Text of first paragraph..... foobaa..... all without linebreaks
[20:33] <webrsk> You are right Phaiax , actually in about-ubuntu without linebreak it has been written , so like that it need to be follow on remaining topics.
[21:22] <MadnessRed> It only parses linebreaks if you give it a plain text file
[21:22] <MadnessRed> html file, which end .html do not do this
[21:23] <MadnessRed> the idea is that you put plain text files without a suffix and html files with the suffix
[21:40] <Phaiax> ah
[21:41] <Phaiax> and is there a reason why we don't do that?
[21:42] <Phaiax> that means we schould rename all files with html code to .html
[21:45] <UndiFineD> good evening :)
[21:45] <UndiFineD> seen the topic MadnessRed  ?
[21:45] <Phaiax> and best use <p>tags for paragrapfs
[21:46] <MadnessRed> oh thanks :),
[21:46] <MadnessRed> no I didn't see that the topic wasn't expanded so I couldn't see the end
[21:46] <UndiFineD> I had asked ChipX86 about the issue
[21:46] <UndiFineD> he wrote it
[21:47] <UndiFineD> so libsexy moved on into libsexy2
[21:48] <UndiFineD> and python-sexy integrated with gtk
[21:48] <UndiFineD> but I am sure, if you have some questions he can anwers them
[21:56] <MadnessRed> ok thanks :)
[21:57] <UndiFineD> Phaiax, I wonder about chapter 12 for about-ubuntu .. as it is a duplicate for what is in chapter 9
[21:57] <UndiFineD> as you undid my doings :)
[21:58] <Phaiax> yeah, i know... i'm translating the german part currently
[21:58] <Phaiax> did i?
[21:58] <UndiFineD> yes, revisions 178 and 179
[21:59] <Phaiax> :-D Sorry, this was the first time i use bzr...
[21:59] <UndiFineD> either, the panel propersites should be separate, but in chapeter 10
[21:59] <UndiFineD> or just merge with 9
[21:59] <UndiFineD> same here
[21:59] <Phaiax> i'v testet in my +junk rep with merges and co... but i am confused a little bit
[22:00] <Phaiax> ...
[22:00] <UndiFineD> it is ok, I think it is a great learning xp for starting bzaar
[22:02] <UndiFineD> well, if you have questions, just ask, I did my translation tasks into dutch very quickly (2 days) and now I need to get those screenshots done
[22:03] <MadnessRed> i gtg, be back soon
[22:03] <UndiFineD> I am waiting a bit for the english texts to have settled a bit, so I can check my wordings later
[22:03] <UndiFineD> have fun MadnessRed
[22:05] <UndiFineD> what is the package name for the virtualbox gui machine manager ?
[22:07] <Phaiax> VirtualBox case sensitive: big V
[22:08] <Phaiax> maybe i hate bzr
[22:15] <UndiFineD> I normally do: bzr pull && bzr add && bzr commit -m "" && bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour
[22:15] <UndiFineD> filling the comment ofcourse
[22:15] <UndiFineD> so I always pull before i submit
[22:16] <UndiFineD> and by pulling first without immediate commit, I can see what has changed before I push
[22:17] <UndiFineD> and do something about my changes that may be in conflict with what others did
[22:20] <UndiFineD> handcounted 25 unique persons that submitted
[22:22] <UndiFineD> that is about 30% of the people that signed up