RAOFSarvatt: 7PM EST?  No chance. :)05:57
ulyssesMaverick freezes after login with latest drm/mesa, anyone noticed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/64474006:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 644740 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i915] drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]06:06
RAOFHm, fun.06:08
RAOFOh, I see you've got the same GPU as I do.06:09
RAOFAnd I don't see that crash.06:09
ulyssesI have KDE 4.5.1, the crash appears only when I enable desktop effects06:09
RAOFSarvatt: I got up at 11am today (which I had organised to take off, because I *knew* I'd be totally worthless at work)06:11
RAOFulysses: Since I don't see that problem, could you try disabling individual effects and seeing which one kills it for you?06:14
Sarvattahh sorry RAOF, I was just guessing you got home sunday and had time to recover already and had no idea06:14
ulyssesI'll try later, now I have to go06:14
RAOFSarvatt: I _left_ Sunday :006:15
RAOFI *arrived* Tuesday, late afternoon.06:15
RAOFNo need to apologise!06:15
RAOFNow to go congratulate/commiserate with my brother after his driving test!06:19
brycehheya raof06:29
RAOFbryceh: Howdie!07:05
RAOFAlex said hi :)07:05
brycehRAOF, anything noteworthy happen?07:46
RAOFThere was a particularly interesting discussion of unpriviledged X.07:47
RAOFKeith wants to make X unpriviledged in a particularly strong sense of the word.07:47
brycehfor meego?07:47
RAOFAs in “no part of X is trusted”.07:47
RAOFNo; meego doesn't have multiple users, so the trust issues aren't there.07:48
RAOFIE: the basic reason why you can't just strip off the setuid bit of X right now is (a) ums drivers, and (b) input arbitration.07:48
RAOFAs you, of course, know :)07:49
RAOFMeego doesn't care about input arbitration.07:49
RAOFSo it's a bit easier.07:49
RAOFKeith wants X out of *all* trusted paths, and hence out of the input arbitration business.07:49
RAOFSo one (or more) X server per user, with the kernel+ConsoleKit handling input arbitration.07:50
* bryceh nods07:51
RAOFBy changing input devices from broadcast to one-fd-gets-it (like current serial devices)07:51
RAOF+ a syscall for ConsoleKit to tell the kernel which fd should get input.07:51
brycehspeaking of ums, any word regarding 8xx?07:52
RAOFNo one cares about it :/07:53
RAOFChris' shadow, that's now merged to trunk, looks like it'll provide a stable and somewhat featureful intel driver for i8xx.07:54
RAOFAt the cost of 3D, of course :(07:54
RAOFI mean, fundamentally some of the hardware is broken, and old enough that there are more productive uses of time.07:56
brycehI found a community guy with hw experience that might work on it07:56
RAOFOn the X mailing list?  Yeah, that'd be great to have i830 better supported.07:56
brycehubuntu-x@ yeah07:57
brycehI have a feeling this is one of those things that people don't volunteer to help with because they assume "someone else will do it"07:58
RAOFThere's of course that other bug where there's no kernel driver for the interface thingy on some i810 cards, too.07:58
brycehso it may be the best thing we can do to help it would be to declare it unsupported in ubuntu, and that no further developer time from canonical will go into it07:58
RAOFbryceh: Yeah.  It requires an unusual conjunction of willingness to get one's hands dirty, hardware, and some driver confidence.07:59
* bryceh nods07:59
tseliotRAOF, Sarvatt: shall I use bug 630599 as a reference for fglrx's incompatibility with maverick's xserver or do you have a better bug report?10:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 630599 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to 10.10 fails to load xorg (affects: 6) (dups: 5) (heat: 264)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63059910:43
RAOFtseliot: That seems like a perfectly cromulent bug report o have as a reference.  I'd probably add the reason to the description, though.12:56
jcristauhi RAOF 12:57
RAOFHey there jcristau 12:57
RAOFjcristau: I trust your journey back was substantially less epic than mine? :)13:02
jcristauit was very much un-epic13:02
jcristauso, probably :)13:02
tseliotRAOF: yes, good point13:08
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patrickdickeyI came in yesterday afternoon asking about the proper driver for an ATI Graphics Card (RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M). I've got another question.  It seems that my xorg.conf is uisng the "radeon" driver. Is that the correct driver (I was told to install the -ati package), or should it be "ati" in xorg.conf?19:40
patrickdickeyUltimately I'm trying to eliminate a really annoying screen flicker on my external monitor, whenver I open things like a virtual machine in VMWare Player, or Rosetta Stone (through Wine).19:41
Sarvattpatrickdickey: that is the default driver, you dont need an xorg.conf for it. that problem should be fixed if you boot with radeon.new_pll=0 added to your kernel command line19:42
Sarvattyou can hold shift while booting, select the kernel and press e to edit it, then where it says quiet splash, add radeon.new_pll=0 to the end of that line19:43
Sarvattif that works you can edit /etc/default/grub and add it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line, like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.new_pll=0", save it, sudo update-grub and reboot19:44
patrickdickeyWow, you must have been reading my mind. I was just going to ask you if I needed to put it in that line.  Currently I have i915.powersave=0 there, but I don't think that works for me. 19:48
patrickdickeyThe other issue I have (and it may be related to the flickering) is that in dmesg, it shows that it found my external monitor, but couldn't get it's EDID? From it (It's an Acer P241W monitor). Is there a way of fixing that?  I realize that's probably out of scope from this room.19:50
patrickdickeyAnyhow, I'll give the radeon.new.pll=0 a try.  Thanks for all of your help (and bryceh's help yesterday also).  Have a great day:)19:56

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