[03:57] * freeflying [05:11] <-- drunk [05:12] Sounds like a plan. [05:12] * ScottK goes for a refill. [05:12] i just got home, quite drunk on stone ipa's to be exact [05:19] ScottK: what are you drinking? [05:22] heh [05:22] that's a fun conversation to walk into [05:23] nigelb: Whisky [05:23] err nixternal^^^ [05:23] eww. i can't drink that stuff. i only drink beer, or tequila if maco is around :) [05:24] whiskey is just not-very-hoopy beer with the water and bubbles taken out [05:24] haha [05:24] nixternal: and only before noon? [05:24] you drank some brewhahahahs in mt. view when we had an MC night out, so dont' hide it [05:25] maco: it was 12pm somewhere :) [05:25] nixternal: it was 11am where we were! and you tried to use your home timezone as an excuse...til i pointed out it was 10am there [05:25] mr. persia with his expensive booze and pizza :p [05:25] nixternal: You need to work on your spelling. [05:25] maco: my home timezone would have been 10am :p [05:25] ScottK: to many beers to worry about spelling [05:26] Watch out though. That's a word that Riddell takes very personally. [05:26] maco: and i was sneaking out and drinking before lunch that day too :) [05:26] nixternal: i said that! [05:26] what word is that? [05:27] whisky [05:27] as opposed to blasphemy, misspelled as whiskey [05:27] to be honest, and only one person knows this about OLF that year, I started drinking at 9am OLF time :) tequila and 2 bbeers before we went to lunch that day...and it was kevin and greg's fault for the tequila, not mine [05:27] Riddell only (sensibly) cares about "whisky" All the other varieties (Ouishiage, etc.) are beneath contempt. [05:27] nixternal: hahahaha [05:28] well now the googles know! [05:28] haha [05:28] he drinks that urn brew shit [05:28] * persia was very careful not to claim "whisky" was related to beer [05:28] nixternal: irn bru [05:28] maco: have you ever had it? [05:28] nixternal: also, /someone/ i know may still have a video of you dancing on the bus [05:28] nixternal: yes. a little too citrus for my liking [05:28] it tastes like it was distilled straight from the urn [05:29] maco: dancing on the bus? not me, dancing at OLF was probably worse, or the dance off at UDS [05:29] which was all jono's fault [05:29] dance off at UDS? OMG [05:29] nigelb: blame it on jono bacon [05:29] nixternal: haha, I've seen the titanic song with jono and jorge [05:29] someone was giving me shots of jack daniels. i only puked that up twice [05:30] /only/? [05:30] yeah, but on camera :) [05:30] haha, have to look for those videos [05:30] and i was on some live podcast drunk out of my mine [05:32] nigelb: i don't know if they were ever made public, though maco would know best to bbe honest. she has blackmailed me for 2 years now :) [05:32] nixternal: must've been UUPC - popey has stuff to blackmail every community member who's ever come to UDS I think [05:33] nixternal: no i dont have videos of you. *crimsun* has videos of you [05:33] not popey at all thankfully [05:33] i have videos of greg [05:33] what? how does dan have videos [05:33] of *greg dancing like carlton* [05:33] hahahahahahahah!!! [05:33] i remember that [05:33] nixternal: dan recorded videos of you on a bus at uds dancing. those are the videos i bring up [05:33] then everyone started taking their clothes off [05:33] differnet year [05:33] maco: holy cow, i didn't even know of those videos [05:33] what blsphemy [05:34] let dan know i want to see those videos [05:34] or make them public already :) [05:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rq29cqNv0U [05:35] nixternal: you're going to UDS-N? [05:35] nixternal: first time i mentioned the vids, you claimed to have been sober at the time too! [05:35] if so I should bring my cam, I should have enough to blakmail you all! [05:35] oh, thankfully i wasn't there [05:36] maco: i was sober on every bus ride iirc [05:36] maco: he still claims to be sober :p [05:36] i just don't remember dancing on that damn bus [05:36] nixternal: what bus ride are you folks talking about? [05:36] i dont know exactly. i wasnt at that uds [05:36] nigelb: from google to the hotel or vice-versa [05:36] oh, i thought you were [05:37] nixternal: ah mt view [05:37] my last uds more than likely [05:37] unless something changes [05:37] nixternal: greg: http://www.flickr.com/photos/maco_nix/3971683031/in/set-72157622350260619/ [05:37] whew, at least that was greg and not me [05:38] nixternal: don't worry, maco wil probably not sleep until tthat's on the internets [05:38] now that you gave her permission to post :P [05:40] * nigelb laughs at the videos [05:40] nigelb: there is a video of me dancing somehwere on youtube [05:40] i just don't know who did it or where it is [05:41] should find him/her and give a hug [05:42] ok, i am going to bed. i am exhausted and have to be up early [05:42] g'nite all [05:43] nixternal: g'night :) [05:45] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradmcmahon/2942294925/ hahahahahah [05:46] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradmcmahon/2943203248/ [05:46] gahahahahahahah [05:46] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradmcmahon/2942311965/ <- fuckin' rock stars! [05:51] haha === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [09:01] ScottK: are you working on getting the quassel security fix into *-backports? [09:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2010-September/052229.html [10:08] shadeslayer: pingly [10:09] ulysses: mind forwarding that to kubuntu-devel, I suppose more people read that [10:10] also, I, personally do not see why one would want to find the wiki explicitly [10:10] apachelogger: me too, and there is the search box thing [10:11] considering the *only* good thing about the you bun too wiki is that every launchpad us0r has immediate access to it [10:11] other than that it is just slow and partially dated and got bad usability and does not blend in with any artwork whatosever [10:11] ... [10:12] so I just see it as extended information resources for semi-internal purposes such as process documentation and specifications [10:12] Sput: I love how easily one gets a quassel on windows ^^ [10:13] shadeslayer: once you should arrive, it would be good if you could tell me if you are sure you want to commit to room sharing with a maniac, cause I am going to ack my uds invitation todayish === ryanakca is now known as Guest10569 [11:41] debfx: I haven't worked on it yet. [11:41] I'd planned on just asking for the Hardy backport to be removed since it's pretty useless as is. [11:43] Just removing seems dangerous for end-users who may have it installed (although I understand your reasoning). [11:43] Good point. [12:11] Riddell: Accepted qtwebkit-source. [12:13] thanks [12:28] hi poeple.. short question: in kubuntu maverick.. is compositing turned off by default right now (I have intel graphics btw)? or is this a bug? it works if I just press the shortcut for compositing two times. [12:29] there are issues, http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 lists some of the bugs [12:34] We're testing another mesa snapshot that seems to help somewhat. [12:36] I'd appreciate it if someone who's on Lucid, amd64 would check if Quassel translations (particularly fr) work for them and then comment in Bug 646467. I can't replicate the problem on my i386 installs. [12:36] Launchpad bug 646467 in quassel (Ubuntu) "quassel : No language dictionaries for the language : "fr" " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646467 [12:43] ScottK: the debug output looks like it's a problem with Sonnet (the spellchecker), not with Quassel's translations [12:44] i.e. missing dicts for the KDE spellchecker [13:13] shadeslayer: ping [13:13] shadeslayer: I need you to test kopete-gcall using the linphone libraries from kubuntu-ppa/experimental [13:14] which don't use srtp [13:34] ScottK: plymouth for your archive admin approval [13:35] Riddell: okies [13:37] Sput: Thanks. [13:37] apachelogger: hahaha... <3 maniac's :P [13:38] the passport status page is down :( [13:38] Riddell: That diff is substantial. [13:41] ScottK: autoconf/automake do like to do that [13:41] Yeah. [13:42] * persia advocates updating autoconf/automake *at build time* if one insists on doing it in an automated fashion. [13:42] the meaningful bits are in src/plugins/splash/kubuntu-text (in debian/patches/debian-changes) and debian/plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text.* [13:42] I'd advocate using a decent build system :) [13:46] * ScottK presses the "I believe" button. [13:47] Riddell: erm.. i dont have linphone installed, but kopete-gcall is installed [13:47] i do have libmediastreamer0 [13:48] and tons of updates... will take about an hour :P [13:49] i guess thats what i get for not updating in 5 weeks :> [13:49] also.. you uploaded qt 4.7 after archive freeze? [13:51] Sure, the difference between what we already had and 4.7.0 was minor. [13:51] oh ok... i just thought since it was a new release ... ah well.. [13:53] shadeslayer: yes, so it's libmediastreamer0 and libexosip2-4 that need tested [13:53] ok.. [13:54] better to have a final release than a git snapshot, makes it very hard on upstream for bugs if people are using git snapshots [13:55] right... :) [14:10] Sput: Could I convince you to comment about that in the bug? [14:43] Riddell: sheytan suggested me Apper, I kind of liked it, do you think it's a bad idea to change it now? [14:44] dantti_work: It's a bad idea to change it now. [14:44] ScottK: k :P [14:48] dantti_work: we won't pick up the change in kubuntu for this cycle, major bugfixes only now [14:49] Riddell: sure [14:49] dantti_work: as a name it seems perfectly good [14:50] google suggests surprisingly few other uses [14:50] Riddell: nice, I liked it too much less geek imo :D [14:51] no silly K prefix makes it a winner with me :) [14:52] hehe [14:53] im thinking of naming my zsync app as zsync-qt4 :P [14:53] currently its qzsync :D [14:53] using "qt" in the name causes trademark issues [14:53] didnt know that :D [14:54] well.. its not even complete right now ... so ill change it laterz.. before i release it [15:31] Quintasan i've logo for you :) [15:32] sheytan: gimme gimme :D [15:33] shadeslayer wait :D [15:33] * shadeslayer is impatient :P [15:34] you have to be :D [15:34] well, it's nothing so special, but i think it's nice :) [15:34] shadeslayer http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6756/pj512.png [15:35] hmm [15:35] sheytan: purple doesnt go with project neon :( [15:35] maybe make it black? and PN in neon? [15:35] shadeslayer it's not a big deal. it can be every color ;) [15:36] shadeslayer cool idea [15:36] just few minutes [15:49] shadeslayer http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/214/g4623.png [16:08] hi poeple.. short question: i've got a little package problem which is: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-widgets-addons_4%3a4.5.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack): [16:08] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop', which is also in package plasma-widget-system-status 0.6-0ubuntu1 [16:09] (ahh yeah.. i use maverick btw) [16:09] Am i the only one haveing those problems? [16:10] that's when apt-get tries to upgrade the plasma-widget-addons [16:10] package [16:13] any idea about this? or do just have to wait until a non-broken package is released? [16:13] Riddell: ppa package doesnt work for me :( [16:14] shadeslayer: what happens? [16:15] howlymowly: Looks like a bug in plasma-widget-system-status [16:15] It should be safe to force that. [16:15] Riddell: well.. i can call the other guy and everything, no sound from either end [16:16] same thing via googles new plugin works [16:16] shadeslayer: fooey, I guess srtp is needed [16:18] ScottK: How do I force the install? [16:18] with dpkg --force or something like that? [16:18] or is this also possible with apt-get? [16:19] Something like --force-overwrite. [16:19] You could also just remove plasma-widget-system-status [16:22] ScottK: of course.. jesus why haven#t I thought of that simple solution hehe thx [16:28] Riddell: I think it's worth mentioning in the release meeting that we're looking at another mesa update. Among other things it appears to fix Bug 633406. [16:28] Launchpad bug 633406 in mesa (Ubuntu Maverick) "Display freeze when changing kwin effects settings if effects are active" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633406 [16:29] ScottK: yep, already got that [16:30] Cool. [16:38] rbelem: release meeting time. any update on samba support? [16:38] Riddell: thanks for releasing that updated Amarok build [16:38] jefferai: thanks for informing us of the issue [16:39] Riddell, i made the changes that agateau asked [16:39] Riddell, and now i'm working on the ui [16:41] Riddell, i think that today i will finish the ui [16:41] ooh [16:41] :-) [16:41] Riddell: I hate having to send patches to packagers, and we've done that twice with 2.3.2, but better than having unhappy users right? [16:42] Definitely. [16:44] Riddell: when do the final blueprints come on to launchpad? [16:44] final blueprints? [16:45] we write the blueprints at or shortly after UDS [16:45] oh [16:46] hmm.. i thought blueprints were discussed @ UDS [16:49] shadeslayer: You have a discussion and then write up the spec based on the results of the discussion. [16:51] ah i see [16:51] ScottK: what do we discuss? :D ... [16:52] do we have some stuff decided before hand for that? [16:52] There's the LP part of blueprint, which is essentially a stub. That gets the session scheduled. Then the details go on a page on the wiki. [16:53] ah [16:53] when do the blueprints come up on LP then? [16:56] we can register them whenever we want [16:56] but probably best to start with a wiki page [16:56] feel free to make one [17:02] shadeslayer: hint :) [17:03] Riddell: yep sure [17:05] ScottK: since the kubuntu-mobile stuff is in main now it seems like we can get rid of our messy kubuntu-meta set up [17:05] Riddell: Agreed. [17:06] * Riddell makes it so [17:06] [muon] jmthomas * 1179119 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (ChangeLog TODO) Update TODO and ChangeLog [17:23] shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/645839 [17:23] Launchpad bug 645839 in Kubuntu PPA "/usr/bin/kdevelop.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libkdevplatforminterfaces.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] [17:23] lex79: we dont have a package for new kdevelop :( [17:23] shadeslayer: why ? [17:24] lex79: because no one has looked into it yet and i was thinking of doing it tonight [17:24] I cannot reach launchpad, if it is ok again soon, I could have a look at kdevelop [17:25] * shadeslayer might look into it after he is done with wiki page.. which is soonish [17:26] shadeslayer: next time I suggest to don't upload kdevplatform if kdevelop is not ready [17:26] ok .. [17:26] * shadeslayer looks into kdevelop [17:27] neversfelde: or are you done with it? :P [17:27] shadeslayer: no launchpad for me [17:27] Riddell: lex79 ScottK apachelogger https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSNatty [17:27] do not know why [17:27] neversfelde: alright ill get cracking [17:27] shadeslayer: It ought to be in the /kubuntu namespace. [17:28] ScottK: ok ill move it [17:31] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/kubuntu/UDSNatty [17:46] lex79: i dont think we can close bugs with ppa packages right? [17:46] or since the bug is reported against ~kubuntu-ppa, that can be done? [17:46] dunno, usually I close manually [17:47] Has to be done manually. [17:49] Hmmm [17:49] Can kate do an enumeration? [17:50] Take a line and copy it 45 times with a progressive change of a letter/number ? [17:50] don't think so [17:51] libqt4-multimedia is gone, but which package replaces it? [17:51] * markey is planning to install Maverick 64-bit on his new box [17:51] can it be recommended already? or too unstable? [17:52] should be fine I'd say, although today's daily-live CD doesn't work [17:52] oh [17:52] Mamarok: ^ [17:52] Mamarok: did you download the daily-live? [17:53] lex79: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kdevelop.bin': No such file or directory >> :O [17:53] no kdevelop.bin :P [17:54] maybe just kdevelop instead of kdevelop.bin ? [17:54] yeah i guess... [17:54] kdevelop.bin sounds wrong [17:55] why did they have 2 files anyways? [17:55] Riddell: its there in the old packagign [17:55] *packaging [17:58] [muon] jmthomas * 1179142 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (17 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed) [17:58] Add a kded module that for now acts as a distribution upgrade checker. [17:58] Eventually it'll also do update notifications. This kded module is heavily based [18:01] shadeslayer: I've no idea [18:01] bug in the build system maybe [18:01] no like.. it was added in the kdevelop.install file :D [18:02] [muon] jmthomas * 1179144 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/distupgradeevent/notused Not relevant to muon-notifier [18:07] markey: nope, the beta [18:07] great :) [18:08] meanwhile, I'm at the 4th DVD of creating install disks for Windows 7 OEM :(( [18:08] this takes hours [18:08] freaking Microsoft.... [18:08] I mean, how lame is that [18:09] markey: took me 4 hours to upgrade from vista to 7 [18:09] thats when i decided ive had enough [18:09] its kubuntu all the way now :) [18:13] interesting. Windows 7 Enteprise is only one DVD [18:14] +r [18:21] Sput: They are all one DVD [18:22] it's the same DVD [18:22] Just dependson how much you paid decides what gets installed or enabled [18:26] lex79: kdevelop done.. uploading [18:26] thanks [18:30] so why is markey then burning 4 DVDs? [18:31] He's into pain? [18:32] that too [18:32] that fact manifests itself in more than one way :P [18:35] lex79: erm one secc.. just realised one thing [18:35] Sput: cause it's the OEM version, it doesn't come with install DVDs [18:36] not that I really use Windows much, but... [18:36] I paid for it after all [18:36] lex79: build dep : kdevplatform-dev (>= 1.0.2), : should i change that to latest version? [18:36] so I won't throw it away [18:36] that is 1.0.82 [18:36] yes [18:37] ok.. good thing i just double checked it [18:37] ensure you are building against 1.0.82 [18:37] ok [18:37] yep [18:37] * Sput never paid for windows [18:37] and no, I also don't run pirated software :P [18:38] Sput: microsoft tax... it was bundled with the lappy [18:38] ah right, I paid for it once then, with my very first lappy 10 years ago [18:38] :) [18:38] all my other lappys are paid for by $work [18:38] and the desktop boxen are self-made [18:39] plus the one gameloader I have installed I got for free [18:39] Riddell: Would you please remove plasma-widget-system-status source and binary from Maverick. It's part of kdeplasma-addons now. (thus the problem howlymowly_ was having earlier). [18:39] ok [18:39] Thanks. [18:40] done [18:40] Cool. [18:47] Riddell: in kpk there is a patch debian-changes-0.6.1, can I remove? it's po translations.why is there? [18:55] * ScottK is taking care of updating conflicts/replaces etc in kdeplasma-addons. [18:56] ok kdevelop uploaded [18:56] ( both maverick and lucid ) [18:57] good [18:57] hey [18:57] did someone already tested lucid->maverick upgrade? [18:57] lex79: sorry for the delay and problem in kdevelop [18:58] Sput: guess what: after 2 hours of messing with Windows, it fails to recognize the DVDs it created itself [18:58] shadeslayer: it can happen, no problem ;) [18:58] markey: tell news [18:58] at this point this calls for a: [18:58] SCREW IT [18:58] sheytan: I have, but more testing is always a good idea. Because package upgrade sequence is somewhat random, file level conflicts in packages don't show up every upgrade. More tries is better. [18:59] markey: lol [18:59] you know, installing Kubuntu takes 20 minutes. Windows: 3 hours and your sanity [18:59] this is madness. [18:59] markey: I could have installed a full Gentoo in the time you wasted for creating DVDs! [18:59] no shit [18:59] markey: another 3 hours to install drivers and crap [18:59] It's so sad when I talk to people who just can't believe there might really be a better way than what they have become used to with Windows. [18:59] if I ever need Windows, I'll fetch the freaking thing from Pirate Bay, and run it in a VM [18:59] case closed [19:00] my gameloader tells me it has new updates every time I boot it, and then fails installing said upgrades [19:00] ScottK i'll try upgrade one now ;) [19:00] ok lunchpad ate my lucid upload i think [19:00] + i'll install some sofwtware [19:00] googling for the error code made me download some obscure MS tool (after going through that genuine advantage crap), running that for an hour "to fix possible problems", and the problem still being around afterwards [19:00] shadeslayer everyone gets hungry sometimes :) [19:00] * markey installs Maverick [19:01] markey good choice :D [19:01] ah its up now [19:01] first time using an SSD. /me excited [19:01] off to sleep now... cya [19:02] nite shadeslayer [19:02] markey: use BTRFS on SSD's [19:02] [muon] jmthomas * 1179169 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/ (9 files in 2 dirs) Add an UpdateEvent plugin for muon-notifier. It's almost working, but knotify is being a bit finicky about actually giving Plasma something to notify about... [19:02] i hear its really awesome on SSD's [19:02] shadeslayer: maybe another time, still a bit too early [19:02] quite crappy on a HDD tho [19:02] I need this box for work [19:02] ah :P [19:02] can't risk instability [19:02] * sheytan needs to close 10 gimp projects before virtual box. Only 4gigs of ram [19:03] i wish it were possible to boot a linux kernel and directly start a windows VM in your native resolution [19:05] shadeslayer what's the problem in virtualbox? [19:06] when you have guest additions, you can run native res. [19:06] even 3d stuff [19:06] sheytan: i have to boot K/Ubuntu -> login -> fire up VM -> then i can play [19:06] instead just : Boot kernel with mods -> login to windows [19:07] shadeslayer well, it's not so complicated and doesn't take that much time :P [19:07] sheytan: i like what chrome OS does .. directly boots to the browser :)( [19:07] really? :D [19:07] will have to try that one ;D [19:08] yep.. its really awesome if you want to just check your mails [19:08] boots in 7-12 secs... [19:08] shadeslayer my kubuntu wakes up faster i think :D [19:08] login with gmail credentials -> voila! opens up gmail [19:08] but, it takes some time to wifi reconnect [19:08] sheytan: from suspend to ram? [19:09] shadeslayer i don't really know. I just hit 'sleep' :D [19:09] sheytan: http://hexxeh.net/ [19:09] wow its even better than the last time i saw it [19:09] even has proxy options now ^_^ [19:10] ciao [19:10] yeah [19:21] shadeslayer: Did you do some docbook dtd fixes earlier in the cycle? [19:36] Riddell: kdeplasma-addons is in the queue for yor review. [19:50] Hey [19:50] isn't there any more userfriendly way to upgrade kubuntu then this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu [19:52] sheytan: I think there is only less user-friendly way [19:52] ulysses well... [19:52] i have to talk to dantti [19:53] good to ask [19:53] dantti dude, we need you :D [19:53] there was an option to use 'update-manager-kde -d' [19:53] yeah [19:53] but, well, this isn't very good anyway [19:54] but it has the same frontend that this crappy long command [19:55] and in the software properties there isn't an option to choose what dist-upgrades should be appear (only LTS or normal releases also) [20:05] ulysses in kpk it is now [20:07] sheytan: after release users will get a notification rather than having to type a long complex command [20:08] Riddell yep, know that. anyway i would like to see a nice qt ui to manage distro upgrades [20:08] sheytan: what would you change? [20:09] Riddell i would add a tab or a button to kpk updates kcm, that will allow to check if there's new distro release [20:09] and we can have a warning when the next release is a development one [20:10] sheytan: when you open kpackagekit it does check for updates [20:10] Riddell but not for upgrade to a new kubuntu release [20:10] shadeslayer: We don't want to show a development release in kpk. People will upgrade to it accidentally. [20:10] yes it does [20:10]