[00:01] charlie-tca: btw, about your 'The "Report a bug" on it goes right to the bug reporting form', you're in bug control right? the redirect is disabled for us and teams above us [00:01] wooooot [00:01] found the bug for my problem [00:01] aaand, dude had a fix! [00:01] can be done in gui and as kernel patch [00:02] yofel: I forgot that part! Thanks for reminding me [00:02] bug #546769 [00:02] Launchpad bug 546769 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "no sound with Realtek ALC269 - on Sony Vaio VPCEB1S1E" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546769 [00:02] HDA Analyzer suggestion by Pistolpete worked perfectly [00:03] interesting that he reported the solution 4½ months ago [00:05] well, the kernel team follows a strict process, and nobody bothered to run apport-collect, which they maybe filter for automatically [00:06] perhaps people *tried* running apport-collect :-p [00:06] aaaanyway. works for me. life is good [00:06] that one was really irritating me [00:06] shame patching kernel is not quite as convenient under ubuntu as in source based distros like gentoo. I'd rather stick to the distro sources. [00:06] ah well, ubuntu still has more advantages than disadvantages [00:07] apport-collect will add one attachment at a time, not 20 at once, so it shouldn't be affected by that timeout bug [00:07] Hi anyone running kubuntu meerkat successfully, like logout works and it doesnt freeze on the kubuntu kernel splash screen and such? [00:08] cjae_: works fine here (64bit, nvidia card), well, at least it worked the last time I tried it 2 days ago [00:10] yofel: alright thanks, have ati card but should be ok [00:14] yofel: do you know if its beta 1 or 2 yet? [00:20] Bleah. I've given up on update-manager to do updates. uses that stupid polkit authentication that fails in ssh -Y, in nomachine and (just recently discovered this) in fingerprint-gui [00:20] Synaptic Package Manager may not be as pretty, but at least it isn't crippled [00:20] there is no beta2, the rc is due on the 30th. If you have all updates installed you don't have to bother with that anyway, as you're running the most up-to-date system that there is [00:21] yofel: yow. you guys are already approaching RC. man, I was really hoping we could get our game release together before that. clearly not gonna happen. we're all slackers [00:21] whiiiich means more begging to get into the next release :) [00:26] oh. this is driving me a bit bonkers [00:26] every time I open apport, it fires up google chrome [00:26] I don't want it to fire up google chrome. all my addons are in firefox, all my settings... [00:27] I'd rather not uninstall google chrome since I use it for browser testing. but is there any way to get it to not do that? [00:27] I already ran update-alternatives x-www-browser [00:27] and confirmed that a link in nautilus opened in firefox... [00:28] I forgot how apport opened browsers, but iirc it was something like... 1) some gconf key, if fails 2) gnome-open, if fails 3) x-www-browser - well, something like that [00:29] * nemo fires up gconf editor [00:30] oh. and here's an odd one. I right clicked, chose "create launcher", chose "link" in it, and entered http://google.com as the link [00:30] ('cause I couldn't remember how to make a URL shortcut on the desktop for testing default browser) [00:30] doubleclicking on it in nautilus completely hangs nautilus for about a minute [00:30] after which time it opens the link in firefox and does any other operations you'd tried to do in the interim [00:31] no hits for chrom in gconf [00:31] let's try gnome-open [00:32] yep. gnome-open calls chrome. damn [00:32] wow does having ubuntu-desktop installed in kubuntu 10.04 break alot of things! [00:33] phonon + pulse ouch! [00:34] hm. maybe it is because update-alternatives reports chrome as having a higher priority [00:34] phonon + pulse works fine so far here.. [00:34] beta? [00:34] well, once I told phonon to actually use pulse instead of my HDMI port -.- [00:34] cjae_: current [00:35] ok well I did too, and now my volume upom booting kde or gnome is always muted [00:36] I heard about the muted on boot issue for gnome, works fine in KDE so far though [00:36] and the volume dial only hits 5 10 14 and 50 the rest of the slider doesnt do too much [00:36] * yofel wonders if he's settings are so messed up that his pc can't even properly break things anymore... [00:36] s/he's/his/ [00:37] virtualbox gtk wont load at all [00:37] huh. no way to adjust the priorities w/o reinstalling the links and potentially screwing it up in my ignorance [00:38] but virtual box ose will [00:40] yofel: so the 10.10 kde is still in alpha 3? [00:41] gah. this priority mechanism is ridiculous. chromium literally has a bug for "putting its priority higher than other browsers" [00:41] and. if I set browser X as default, I shouldn't have to fight w/ the system to get gnome-url to use it [00:41] hm? no, kubuntu 10.10 has it's beta released, it's just that I'm running a system with all updates installed, and that doesn't have anything to do with the beta snapshot [00:42] ah-hah. update-alternatives man page does not (that I can see) say where it keeps its config, but there is no hiding from strace [00:44] WTH. push google chrome's priority down and gnome-url STILL opens it :( [00:44] alternatives configuration is in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives (WARNING: DO NOT TOUCH) [00:45] well, ignore the warning if you know what you're doing or don't mind the consequences [00:45] yofel: already changed it [00:45] yofel: thus my confusion. had reduced chrome from 120 to 12 [00:45] shows up correctly in --query [00:45] but gnome-url still opens it === sidnei-dinner is now known as sidnei [00:45] and here's a fun one. sudo newgrp sambashare - dumped me to a root shell [00:46] that's probably some sort of security hole right there [00:48] anyone care to help me with pigin when they get a chance? [00:50] corey: for starters: what's the problem? we won't know if we can help if you don't tell us.. [00:51] i want to skin pidgin but cant figure out how to do it [00:51] i see where in properties it says themes but i have none, cant find any online, and mine didnt come with any axtras even though i downloaded themes from package manager [00:52] yep. gnome-open is posessed of the devil [00:52] and im also having a problem with my cursor skipin when i type and im sure its not my mouse because i turned it off and it still skips [00:52] so I see that the kubuntu 10.10 senses which desktop should be deployed (plasma-desktop or plasma-netbook) is this the case with the 64 version too! since most netbooks are 32 bit [00:53] my netbook is 64 bit so this option would be good for both my computers [00:54] hm.. there are a bunch of things that are checked to make netbook only start when appropriate, but I don't remember it checking architecture [00:55] could have changed since I last looked at it though [00:56] desktop/gnome/url-handlers was the problem. and somehow a search on "chrom" did not turn it up in gconf. also I'd swear I did not choose "set as default browser" - oh well. all better [00:59] looks like sudo newgrp dropping you to a root shell is a known issue, and the way to avoid it is never ever ever let non-admins run sudo newgrp [01:13] yofel: 92% dl excited :) cause my current system is not too good [01:14] do you happen to what version of k3b is installed? [01:18] !info k3b [01:18] k3b (source: k3b): A sophisticated CD/DVD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 488 kB, installed size 1844 kB [01:18] nice [01:19] didnt know there was a bot here :p [01:19] she's pretty useful :P [01:19] !me [01:19] Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [01:20] I like them [01:21] wonder if bluedevil is going to detect my logitech mx5500 kb and mouse correctly === corey is now known as Guest74920 [01:22] need to get wiimote working too [01:24] I see pulse is default in 10.10 should aleviate my issue as well [01:24] anyway thanks, l8r [02:02] where did my wine main menu items go? I tried a clean uninstall and then deleted out of main menu thinking when I redid everything they would be back.....what happened? [02:49] hi. I want to upgrade quassel on lucid to the Marverick version. what's the best way to do this? I was thinking of adding the maverick repos, upgrading quassel, then reverting back to lucid ones. would that cause any problems? [02:53] anyone know where I can find a decent tutorial about unity desktop === iConfused is now known as iConfused|sleep === Dink|W is now known as Dink [03:01] zeroedout: it may be easier to rebuild maverick package for lucid [03:02] zeroedout: or installing debs directly - but I'm not sure if quassel built for maverick is going to work with lucid at all [03:05] yea, i was going to chase down dependencies by hand but upgrading webkit and other crucial qt stuff seems risky..... is there a generic guide on rebuilding a +1 package for current? [03:07] assuming cli applications have an exception to the rules layed out in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy will "ls" be defaulting to base 10 in maverick? [03:07] well, you could use documentation for package maintainers [03:08] zeroedout: ^ for example check pbuilder-dist documentation on ubuntu wiki [03:08] zeroedout: or request a backport on Launchpad [03:09] I'de rather do it myself, but maybe i'll place the request and see if a pro can beat me [03:10] well, if you can do it yourself they won't beat you - especially now, so close to 10.10 release [03:51] hello everyone, is there a fix for vino running on ubuntu-server 10.10 [05:07] I just updated my maverick 32-bit box after a few days of it being off and foomatic-db is failing to install [05:07] here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/pZApTshc [05:09] it says it can't install a new version of a file because said file exists which doesn't make sense....but I checked and it doesn't exist, so I have no idea what the problem is [05:11] the truly odd thing is that the file in question isn't a binary and my 64-bit box had no such problem [05:15] I have logged in to a remote Solaris server with ssh -X and started gnome-session to get a desktop. I get the desktop successfully, but I can't get a panel because I can't stop gnome-panel without it restarting. The only guide I could find said to look for session manager, but that's not listed in my menus. Is there another way to temporarily disable gnome-panel without having to start it by hand every time I log in? === shcherba1 is now known as shcherbak [06:22] Say, are kernel-ppa kernels supposed to have INOTIFY disabled? [06:24] Powertop is telling me it's disabled. [06:26] Or maybe the option just doesn't exist anymore (and is always enabled). [07:14] init: mounted-tmp main process (483) terminated with status 1 [07:14] mountall: Event failed [07:14] I get that... and then it mounts root read-only! [07:17] Okay, that's even weirder.... I changed console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0 to serial console last, and now it boots fine. [07:26] argh, stupid heisenbugs... when I try to boot normally, it fails... but when I have serial console last (so kernel stdin/stdout go there), my system boots just fine. [08:01] whereami: What error do you actually get? [08:02] Jordan_U, nothing very specific... update-grub failed. [08:04] whereami: Try following this guide for installing grub from a LiveCD and pastebin the full error (if any): http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide [08:04] when do the dailies for the day get built? [08:06] Jordan_U, I'm going to check Seven_Six_Two's suggestion of a bios-locked MBR first, but if that's not it, I'll try that, thanks. [08:06] I upgraded ubuntu to 10.10, now launching ubuntu-kernel.35 only brings a terminal screen. Could someone help? [08:07] whereami: I've never heard of a BIOS write protecting the MBR, and I'm sure sure it's even possible. Plus, update-grub doesn't write to the mbr. [08:08] Oh, okay, I've never heard of it either, and I'm not finding anything in the bios menus. [08:12] how do i get ubuntu 10.10 to start normally instead of bringing a terminal screen with Desktop Login: [08:24] why does the installer window have a silly horizontal scrollbar? === FireCrotch_ is now known as FireCrotch [08:51] okay, this time it got past update-grub, but the installer crashed... I wonder if my disc didn't burn right. Is there a way to check that? [08:53] whereami: Press any key early in the boot of the LiveCD (first 5 seconds) and you'll get a boot menu, one of the options is to check the disk's integrity. [08:56] Jordan_U, thanks. [08:56] whereami: You're welcome. [09:03] Hmm, no errors.. why would it fail in two different places, though? [09:07] Could someone check the error i get when i boot ubuntu: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3453/20100924002.jpg [09:50] th3hate, got it working good with 3D and everything? [09:55] anyone else seeing a very tall evolution preferences window? [09:56] looks like about 768 px tall, and won't resize smaller than that, so it won't fit between the top and bottom panels on my 1366x768 laptop [10:00] AlanBell, me === iConfused|sleep is now known as iConfused [10:01] AlanBell, bug 589204 [10:01] Launchpad bug 589204 in evolution (Ubuntu Maverick) "Evolution Setup Assistant dialog too large for netbook screens" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/589204 [10:05] hmm, not sure that is the same dialog [10:06] actually it probably is [10:13] it is a bit of a regression on Bug #8629 [10:13] Launchpad bug 8629 in Evolution "Evolution setup wizard does not fit in 800x600" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8629 === ryanakca is now known as Guest10569 [11:22] Hi all. [11:39] where's alsa-lib? :o [11:41] ah, never mind [12:30] is there a way to make ctrl-alt-f1 working again? [12:55] Is it possible to install the application menu on 10.10 beta and have it running "normally" -> where applications' menu is hidden and the application menu is shown by default, instead of me having to call the menu to open with every program? [13:17] * duffydack installs une on his mini 9. [13:34] Hi, last time i downloaded the 10.10 maverick beta, I couldn't boot on my netbook. I tried both UNR, the desktop edition. [13:34] sounds like a corrupt iso or bad burn [13:35] But, when i update from the update-manager, I was able to boot from the old kernel, but not the new kernel [13:35] bazhang, I tried it with a usb key. [13:35] rockhopper, using what to write [13:37] bazhang, I used the bootable usb app on the ubuntu os as well as the bootable usb application for the windows os given in the ubuntu.com/netbook webpage [13:37] rockhopper, unetbootin? [13:40] No, the universal usb installer, i selected the UNR 10.04 for it. [13:40] as there was no 10.10 option in it bazhang [13:40] rockhopper, should work anyway, if you got the iso. [13:41] But, I couldn't boot after updating to 10.10 from the update-manager of 10.04 UNR. [13:42] bazhang, I couldn't boot from the live-usb [13:42] rockhopper, this sounds like two separate issues [13:42] It gives me the options for booting live, installing on the HDD and etc. [13:42] what does update-manager have to do with usb installer [13:43] I can install, but not even boot live. [13:43] It just gives me a blinking cursor and nothing happens. [13:43] not clear what you mean; two separate issues [13:44] bazhang, I tried updating to 10.10 from 10.04 [13:44] and the other time, i tried installing the 10.10 from the beta iso from the testing page. [13:45] rockhopper, so currently nothing bootable on that computer? [13:45] In both the ways, I couldnt boot. [13:46] But when i updated from the 10.04 to 10.10, i was able to boot by selecting the 2.6.32-24 kernel. [13:46] When i try booting from the new 2.6.32-35 i think, I couldn't boot. [13:48] bazhang, maverick's not bootable. [13:48] So, i had to reinstall 10.04 UNR again. [13:48] rockhopper, sounds like a corrupt iso or bad "burn" [13:48] md5 the iso and try again [13:48] !md5 [13:48] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [13:51] bazhang, I had the same issue when updated from the update manager in 10.04. [13:51] If we run the update-manager-d [13:52] rockhopper, well file a bug, or wait til its released. you have two separate issues here [13:54] I think its only one issue. [13:54] That the bug's in the new kernel 2.6.32-35 [13:55] works fine here. try filing a bug [13:55] ok, where can i do that? [13:56] !bugs [13:56] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [13:56] bazhang, Thanks. I'll try filing it. [14:17] hi [14:17] i have installed 10.10 on one of my machines and to my surprise the radeon 5750 worked both with kernel mode-setting and even with kwin opengl composition [14:17] it has some delays (feels like slow motion effect) in animations though and full screen video (especially flash) is too slow, even though it is a quadcore [14:18] is this likely going to improve until the release? [14:19] fglrx is giving me a black screen after plymouth booting btw [14:22] Hello, I'm a beginner and I was wondering, once 10.10 is out should I upgrade or still use 10.04 [14:22] What differences are there between 10.10 and 10.04? [14:23] crevox: i recommend sticking with the LTS [14:23] crevox: if you want long term support, you'd stick with 10.04 [14:24] what coafcv said [14:24] So I'll keep the 10.04 then. [14:24] What bothers me is that I have BIG problems with ati drivers. [14:24] crevox: which card and what drivers are you using? [14:24] I thought there will be an update that will fix my issue. [14:24] hd4330 on a laptop. [14:25] Those from the repositories...hardware manager. [14:25] I tried the ones from the ati website, and still the same. [14:25] have you tried using the radeon drivers? [14:25] crevox: those two are the same. [14:25] crevox: what are the "BIG" problems you are talking about? [14:25] Video lag on heroes of newerth. [14:26] I have 4 gb, t4300 intel hd4330 ati.. [14:26] And I can't play this game :| [14:26] so, finally removed pulseaudio from 10.10 and now everything's fine again :9 [14:26] I have major lagspikes... [14:26] Video lagspikes [14:26] Not lag as in latency... [14:26] don't know who thought it was a good idea implementing pulseaudio in Kubuntu 10.10 by default, it still sucks as it did in 10.04 [14:26] crevox: you might want to try the open-source radeon drivers. I used the official ATI drivers and my computer froze every now and then. then I uninstalled them and used the radeon driver. it works flawlessly ever since. [14:27] BajK: works fine here [14:27] coafcv, Open source drivers only provide 2d acceleration for my card. [14:28] crevox: oh :( they do provide 3d acceleration for my ati card. [14:28] coafcv, open source drivers can't provide 3d acceleration on my card, I have checked. [14:28] robin0800: can you choose between multiple/different playback devices? Can you set channels differntially? [14:28] coafcv, desktop card ? [14:28] crevox: ATI HD 4850 [14:28] robin0800: i cannot. fonon just recognizes "Pulseaudio server" and the only audio device displayed in kmix is "Default Audio Device" [14:28] coafcv, Laptop or desktop? [14:29] crevox: Desktop. [14:29] :) [14:29] crevox: sorry, I'm out of ideas then :( [14:29] coafcv, Thanks anyway. Only idea is to make them release their source code.. [14:29] I'm sick of them... [14:29] BajK: in kde the pulse audio server is not installed by default [14:30] robin0800: it is in 10.10 [14:30] :D [14:30] crevox: they are releasing some specs for a while now, I heard. [14:30] crevox: but your card seems to be too old? [14:30] coafcv, They'll better release the drivers or there will be some *nerd rage* [14:30] coafcv, My card is not old. :) [14:30] It's a laptop card. [14:31] BajK: works on ubuntu and has for a while [14:31] oh ok. I haven't figured out their numbering scheme yet. [14:31] robin0800: but not Kubuntu ... [14:31] that's why I cannot understand it being bundled with it by default [14:32] coafcv: you mean the .04 and .10 numbers? [14:32] !info ruby [14:32] ruby (source: ruby-defaults): An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is optional. Version 4.5 (maverick), package size 21 kB, installed size 120 kB [14:32] EvilPhoenix: no, the ATI numbering scheme. [14:32] :) [14:32] ah x] [14:32] hmm what is the default ruby version on ubuntu+1 ?. [14:33] it says it there jetienne_ [14:33] Version 4.5 (maverick), package size 21 kB, installed size 120 kB [14:33] but after yo uinstall it [14:33] EvilPhoenix: unfortunaly no :) ruby is like 1.8 or 1.9 [14:33] ah [14:33] i see [14:33] well [14:33] i'm guessing 1.8 or 1.9 [14:34] * EvilPhoenix google [14:34] s [14:34] EvilPhoenix: yeah hence my question. which one is it [14:34] well [14:35] you could look at the package info for ruby [14:35] um... [14:35] * EvilPhoenix looks around for it [14:35] jetienne_: both 1.8 & 1.9 are available in Maverick [14:35] Rajasun: cool. which one is the default ? [14:35] Rajasun: jetienne_ wants to know the default [14:35] that comes installed by default [14:35] with the image [14:36] i'm guessing 1.8 [14:36] but idk [14:36] or more if i do "sudo apt-get install ruby" which one gonna be installed [14:36] it'll install whatever the "ruby" package is [14:36] jetienne_: 1.8 [14:36] Rajasun: sure ? ok [14:36] jetienne_: yup [14:37] EvilPhoenix: Rajasun: thanks [14:37] jetienne_: np [14:40] Im sure this has been covered but can someone give me the url to add firefox 4 to kubuntu 10.10 software managers source list? [14:44] hum guess no one knows [14:46] soboku: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu maverick main [14:46] Thank you Rajasun ill give that a try thanks [14:47] soboku: np [14:48] hi, anyone can help me out sort an issue testing the maverick netbook iso? I am using testdrive, and after I log in (past gdm) the screen just keeps blank (only the wallpaper) [14:48] I see two errors in .xsession-errors: [14:49] Unable to find provider '''' of required component 'panel' [14:49] and [14:49] Unable to initialize Clutter [15:03] anybody got picasa working on 10.10? [15:04] i get a segfault [15:05] hi poeple.. in most recet maverick... first problem: warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 53034 package 'virtualbox-3.1': [15:05] error in Version string '3.1.6-59338_Ubuntu_karmic': invalid character in revision number [15:05] how do I get rid of that error? [15:08] ops lol my error decriptiion lgas of some information... so I have recently upgraded to maverick beta and have some problems running apt-get first error is this one: hi poeple.. in most recet maverick... first problem: warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 53034 package 'virtualbox-3.1': [15:08] error in Version string '3.1.6-59338_Ubuntu_karmic': invalid character in revision number [15:23] hi [15:25] howlymowly: you have something outdated in sources.list? maybe a ppa or something? VBox in maverick should be 3.2 [15:25] i have installed 10.10 and evolution-mapi... In general it works fine, i have the calender and i can recieve e-mails from everyone. I can send e-mails to external addresses, but not to our local.tld. [15:26] charlie-tca: yeah I upgraded from lucid to maverick.. hmm. maybe I should try to "reseet my sources.lis.. [15:26] *sources.list [15:26] do you guys think it's a bug locally or some odd setup on our exchange 2007 server? [15:27] Take a look at your sources. See if there is something in there for virtualbox, either from sun/oracle or ppa [15:30] charlie-tca: no luck :( [15:31] i have now only the two default entries from maverick in my sources.list but nothing else but after apt-get update and upgrade the error still remains [15:42] I get this error trying to upgrade with the update manager: W:Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/maverick/Release Unable to find expected entry partner/binary-powerpc/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?), E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [15:43] hmm, check synaptic package manager for the version of virtualbox. If it is 3.1, remove and reinstall. If you don't purge, it will work without making any changes to anything [15:43] blue_anna: Why are you looking for partner on ports? [15:44] blue_anna: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/maverick/Release doesn't have any mention of partner/ . [15:44] I'm not particularly doing that. I'm just clicking upgrade after running the command [15:44] (LANG=C && update-manager -d) [15:46] jpds, its part of the upgrade script, I suppose [15:48] Hmm. [15:54] yes indeed [15:54] jpds, any suggestions for how to work around this problem with the update-manager install script itself being screwed up? [15:57] blue_anna: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file? [15:58] jpds, sure, thank you. [15:59] jpds, http://nopaste.dk/p2464 [15:59] blue_anna: Comment out lines 47 and 48 and try again. [16:00] alright, charlie-tca a simpl "sudo dpkg --purge virtualbox-3.1 helped with that error :) [16:00] heh [16:02] woohoo! [16:02] thank you jpds [16:02] :) [16:07] hi guys [16:07] downloaded three copies of the maverick meerkat, and having trouble booting it up. [16:07] drops to busybox init errors [16:08] this a known issue? [16:12] soo.. another apt-get related problem on maverick: when trying to upgrade the package "plasma-widget-addons" i get the error: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-widgets-addons_4%3a4.5.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack): [16:12] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop', which is also in package plasma-widget-system-status 0.6-0ubuntu1 [16:12] any idea about this? [16:12] or do i just have to wait until a non-broken package is released? [16:13] erm, what happened to Software Sources? [16:14] howlymowly: try this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingInstallationIssues#package%20is%20already%20installed%20and%20configured [16:14] Typh: it went away [16:15] ok, I must have got the most stupid question ever, but -- is it normal to have load average of 2.0 on a machine that does absolutely nothing? [16:15] You can see them now in Synaptic Package Manager [16:15] charlie-tca: I can see that. [16:15] er [16:15] charlie-t: I can see that. [16:15] It was a duplicate type app; not needed [16:16] it appears to be the same app. Just removed from the menu. [16:16] sorry, Typh. some people ask things like that to see if they are alone in missing it. [16:17] * Typh adds it back to menu [16:17] thanks :) [16:17] no problem [16:27] oh, I've got a dozen of kded4 process in state. Anybody happens to know what that means? [16:30] 'lo guys [16:31] can somebody tell me what's the state of fglrx drivers in maverick? I'd like to upgrade, but my card sucks with free drivers... [16:32] so whats this gnome shell I keep hearing about [16:33] nOStahl: gnome-shell is a new GNOME interface, it's ubercool and it is sustantially why I'm willing to upgrade :) [16:33] sadly it doesn't compile smoothly on 10.04 [16:33] nOStahl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476241 [16:34] whats it do different [16:36] well, basically it organizes stuff in a way it won't bug you when not needed [16:37] it has a hidden panel that you call out bi clicking on "activities" on top left, from where you run programm, access places etc [16:37] and when in that mode, you can add/remove workspaces and organize stuff on them [16:38] I find it very usable, but you have to try it yourself to decide if it is for you [16:38] nOStahl: what distro/version are you running? [16:38] 10.04 [16:38] netbook remix [16:39] uhm, on 10.04 gnome-shell is broken atm [16:39] if you were on 10.10 you could easily give it a spin, justi apt-get it and run "gnome-shell --replace" [16:39] I downloaded daily build this morning of maverick meerkat but the installer drops out to a console before booting into live. [16:40] watching youtube vid's right now, looks like it just shows you all your virtual desktops when you want to see everything thats running? [16:40] is it live view? [16:41] ie if you were watching a movie on virtual desktop 3 [16:41] yep, it should continue to play [16:41] neato [16:41] i'll be back later I gotta run and do a delivery. [16:41] k, bye [17:41] so how's maverick meerkat? [17:44] Great! [17:45] any ground breaking changes? [17:45] n0Stahl: Running it for 3 weeks now, there are a few hiccups with some apps (e.g. deluge freezing on quit) but on the whole stable enough for my needs. Some of the repos like medibuntu & getdeb aren't ready for maverick yet though. [17:46] and no sopcast-player too :( [17:46] im not sure I like the new netbook thing [17:46] i'm trying to upgrade from lucid to mav. but i get the "can not calculate...." error. I'm really not sure what to do in this case [17:47] i'd like to talk to someone about /boot partitions [17:47] Is there a "do it anyway" button? [17:47] i've never had one in the past... what does a boot partition do for me. [17:49] nOStahl: it is secure and usually your first partition, on some boxes you'll have boot-problems if the kernel is not located at the beginning of the drive [17:49] I have an ssd that Im installing on. [17:49] i've always just mount it as / [17:49] and my second ssd /home [17:49] ssd can still have partitions [17:50] how big should the /boot be [17:51] you can look at yor current boot: du -hs /boot [17:52] recommendation is normally 100MB, but keep in mind, if there are too many kernel updates, it will run out of room [17:54] my /boot is 40M [17:57] Never ever had a separate /boot partition in my 8 years of using any distro for a desktop. Never saw the need for it, not then, not now. [18:00] you need one currently if you want to use btrfs for root, and it does have a few use cases, not for the general user though [18:01] if your comp is new(ish) and you don't want anything fancy (read-only fs, btrfs etc) then it is just complicating things [18:04] As it stands, and as as far as I recall, btrfs ain't default in Maverick, will consider having a separate /boot if that is indeed what it is required and if and when I decide to switch to btrfs. Anybody knows if nilfs requires a separate /boot partition too? [18:06] hmm , is there no conky for maverick? [18:07] Rajasun: anything that grub doesn't understand needs a seperate boot, and ext2 for boot is super-fast [18:07] i'm trying to upgrade from lucid to mav. but i get the "can not calculate...." error. I'm really not sure what to do in this case ... [18:08] i have universe enabled [18:08]