[00:13] <nemo> ok... I've reported a few bugs over the years. and answered in some
[00:13] <nemo> but I never bothered messing with bug settings. I assumed I didn't have permissions
[00:13] <nemo> well, I found this bug recently, problem w/ a new laptop of mine - bug had a fix that had been reported 5 months ago
[00:14] <nemo> and... I happily commented about how awesome it was, then, wellll, clicked on status got a menu, and tried clicking confirmed.
[00:14] <nemo> ... and it worked.
[00:14] <nemo> I was kind of surprised
[00:14] <nemo> now I'm wondering.  why did it work (this was someone else's bug)  and. did I commit some breach in protocol?
[00:14]  * nemo pokes yofel 'cause he's an opinionated person
[00:15] <yofel> no, everybody can change the status of a bug, except for 'Triaged' and 'Won't Fix'  - those are restricted
[00:15] <nemo> cool, cool
[00:16] <yofel> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status about when to use what status
[00:16] <nemo> ok. confirming seems appropriate since I had same hardware, same laptop, and the fix worked
[00:17] <nemo> (and same problem of course)
[00:20] <yofel> well, kernel bugs are a bit different, as you should always have your own report and shouldn't mess with other peoples bugs (if apport let's you..)
[00:21] <charlie-tca> confirming is good as long as any other information/attachments asked for are there.
[00:21] <yofel> as the kernel team doesn't consider you affected by the same bug unless you have the same hardware, I mean *exact* same hardware, bios version, whatever firmware version etc...
[00:21] <yofel> well, that's true
[00:21] <charlie-tca> That's true, yofel
[00:22] <charlie-tca> kernel people ignore any other comments than the original reporter most of the time
[00:23] <nemo> hrm
[00:23] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:23] <nemo> well. his fix requires a kernel patch
[00:23] <nemo> (that or manually toggling every time I reboot)
[00:23] <nemo> also he wasn't the original reporter
[00:24] <nemo> soooo, I guess I'll be manually toggling a lot :)
[00:24] <charlie-tca> It is because most of the time, they have to change the patch for each individual piece of hardware, even version changes.
[00:24] <nemo> sure, makes sense
[00:24] <nemo> after all, if this realtek driver didn't work on any realtek cards.
[00:25] <nemo> it would have been fixed by now
[01:01] <rusivi> :)
[01:02] <rusivi> I am cutting my newb teeth on bug 147203
[01:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 147203 in linux (Ubuntu) "Netgear WG111T not auto-sensed (dups: 2) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147203
[01:03] <rusivi> I know it is not high heat, nor super huge but I felt compelled because I have been in a similar situation where I went to a store, bought a XYZ USB bluetooth/WiFi dongle just to be sadly disappointed...
[01:03] <rusivi> :)
[01:04] <rusivi> Both Windows & Ubuntu
[01:16] <hggdh> isn this device an USB dongle?
[01:16] <rusivi> yes
[01:16] <hggdh> hum
[01:16] <rusivi> Why do you ask?
[01:17] <hggdh> it would be nice to have a 'sudo lsusb -v' with the dongle attached, and simple lsusb without and with it attached
[01:18] <hggdh> (the simple lsusb with/without will tell us which device it is, if at all mounted)
[01:18] <rusivi> yes it looks like he had it with only...
[01:22] <hggdh> no, he had a 'lspci'... this is not PCI...
[01:24] <rusivi> sorry I was trolling his dmesg and saw bluetooth activity... granted I am a serious newb but taking one step at a time.
[01:24] <rusivi> hehe
[01:25] <rusivi> 0.977436] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.11
[01:25] <rusivi> [    0.977455] powernow-k8: Processor cpuid 681 not supported
[01:26] <hggdh> yeah. Not much to do there right now. If I had one of these dongles, it would be easier
[01:26] <hggdh> (apart from asking the OP for the lsusb's -- and saying something like 'sorry, we did not notice it was an USB device.., could you please etc'
[01:29] <rusivi> OP = ?
[01:33] <ldunn> Original Poster, i.e whoever reported the bug
[01:33] <rusivi> ty
[01:34] <ldunn> :)
[01:54] <ldunn> Hm. I think bug 641082 should be marked as medium importance
[01:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641082 in samba4 (Ubuntu) "testparm.samba4 crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641082
[03:43] <cjae> ok so can I report kubuntu 10.10 bugs here?
[03:43] <persia> We don't accept reports: those are better sent to launchpad.
[03:44] <persia> But we're very happy to talk about them, and make sure they get triaged, once they are filed.
[03:44] <persia> We can't offer support, really, but at least can help make sure the bug is known about and tracked properly.
[03:48] <nigelb> cjae: Also, if you feel its a bug in KDE per se, please file it on the KDE bug tracker :)
[03:48] <cjae> ok so I had issue with the default ati driver in 10.04 and krandr, when set as vga = primary monitor and hdmi = tv out (plasma) the monitor resolution is fine but the tv has too large a resolution like when I add a panel on the tv at bottom of screen I can barely see it this happened with gnome too
[03:49] <cjae> and now it exists in 10.10 as well
[03:49] <cjae> I filed a bug about I believe I will check brb
[03:51] <cjae> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/637808
[03:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 637808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "only using properitary ati driver can plasma (panasonic plasma) via hdmi be used (affects: 1) (heat: 487)" [Undecided,New]
[03:52] <cjae> since I am a noob at reporting is there anything missing from that report?
[03:54] <cjae> cause it would be really nice not to have to use the properitary drivers
[03:55] <cjae> oh and no hardware drivers show up on this system now using jockey and there is clearly stuff that needs it
[03:57] <cjae> yea an actual list of the details, in the details tab on kpackagekit :)
[06:37] <ldunn> would bug 646466 be wishlist, or is it big enough to go Brainstorm?
[06:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646466 in ubuntu "Integrate PayPal purchase into software-center (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646466
[07:55] <persia> ldunn, Belongs upstream or in brainstorm: not the sort of thing we do as a distribution patch.
[07:55] <ldunn> Hm. Right. ok.
[08:04] <vish> anyone any idea when the dailies for the day get built?
[08:12] <persia> vish, Each one happens at a different time.  You can check yesterday's as a rough guide.  When I tried to pay closer attention, I found that there was considerable variation over time.
[08:13] <vish> persia: where do i check yesterday's?  [i usually just use testdrive..]
[08:13] <vish> .. if needed i just change the modified date of the iso to force an update..
[08:15] <vish> hmm, i think i have the url!
[08:17] <vish> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/ \o/
[08:18] <vish> huh, netbook got built for today already ;p http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/
[08:33] <persia> vish, Drop the "/current/" and you can see a list: some flavours have a few days worth.
[08:35] <vish> ooh! nice yea, they seem to be built at around 9am utc..!
[08:35] <vish> another half hr or around that..!  ;)
[08:35]  * vish plans to do a reinstall asap :D
[10:28] <cjae> the broadcomm wireless driver does not seem to work in kubuntu 10.10
[11:46] <rsajdok> Hi, Why Can not I find package? http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gizmod.html
[12:58] <hggdh> rsajdok: because there is a bug in packages.qa.debian.org. packages.debian.org returns a "sorry, your search gave no results"
[12:58] <hggdh> (a 404 in oher words
[12:59] <nigelb> hggdh: because the package isn't there in debian.
[13:01] <persia> Indeed.  because someone (me) said they would update and push to Debian and didn't.
[13:02] <nigelb> heh, what package is it?
[13:02]  * nigelb goes to google
[13:03] <persia> gizmod is an input multiplexor
[13:04] <persia> So if you have i keyboards, j mice, k game controllers, l remote controls, m knobs and buttons, n joysticks, o MIDI controllers,  p random HID devices, and a brain-computer-interface you can find a way to make them all do interestingly different things.
[13:05] <nigelb> interesting
[13:07] <persia> Yeah.  That's why I wanted not to drop it from Ubuntu.  Now I just have to fix it: I've dug up most of my controllers, but probably another month or two before I exercise it properly, and have something for upload.
[13:07] <nigelb> persia: Oh, OH, OHHHHH - You're the author!
[13:07] <persia> No.
[13:08]  * persia is just a happy user, and the motivator behind it being packaged for Ubuntu
[13:08] <nigelb> Ah
[13:08] <persia> Or, *was* a happy user with a previous computer, and wishes to be a happy user again.
[13:08]  * nigelb misunderstood "This is my pet input multiplexor framework"
[13:10] <persia> Of all the input multiplexor frameworks I tested, it was the best.
[13:11] <persia> Mind you, the set of folks who have any use for input multiplexors is kinda small: most folk are happy with a keyboard and pointer.
[13:11] <persia> On the other hand, some people dream of finding a pristine-condition Microsoft Sidewinder Strategic Commander for use to improve their computing experience.
[13:12] <nigelb> Nice
[13:12] <nigelb> I've always wanted to play flight simulator on a sidewinder
[13:12] <persia> Um, the Strategic Commander isn't that kind of device.
[13:12]  * persia uses a Saitek X52 for flight simulators
[13:13] <persia> Wikipedia categorises the Strategic Commander as "exotic" vs. "game pad", "wheel", "joystick", "keypad", etc. which are used for other sorts of controllers.
[13:14] <persia> http://www.activewin.com/reviews/hardware/joysticks/microsoft/stratcomm/features.shtml
[13:15] <persia> It's a W/Z HID + buttons.
[13:15] <persia> (where mice tend to be X/Y)
[13:37] <hggdh> morning folks
[13:42] <AbhiJit> hi
[14:03] <nigelb> persia: ah, ok!
[14:04] <nigelb> The only reason for flight simular on sidewinder is the feedback :p
[16:46] <kamusin> do you know is there is a page for how to submit a bug using 8.04? I tried to install apport and apport-cli breaks while is sending or doing something at 85% ..
[16:46] <kamusin> server
[16:55] <charlie-tca> kamusin: you can use this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[16:56] <charlie-tca> apport works part-time right now
[16:56] <kamusin> I know but would be nice if exists another form to do it from  the terminal heh
[16:57] <kamusin> anyway, the bug that I tried to report in otrs2 package is already filled :) thanks
[18:08] <bcurtiswx_> 10.10.10 isn't too far away either :)
[18:08] <bcurtiswx_> whoops wrong chan
[18:09] <devildante> you got lost :p
[18:09] <bcurtiswx_> my dog byte led me the wrong direction :P
[18:09] <devildante> heh :p
[18:12] <devildante> oh, so the next meeting is 12 Oct? this wasn't present on the topic before... great :)
[18:13] <bcurtiswx_> yup, figured maybe more people will attend if they see it in the topic
[18:13] <bcurtiswx_> we have a meeting bot too, that will take minutes for us
[18:13] <devildante> yay!
[18:13] <charlie-tca> we are gaining...
[18:20] <charlie-tca> devildante: do you need any help setting up the BugDay?
[18:20] <devildante> charlie-tca: not for now, but I'll be sure to ping you if I have some problems
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Okay. Thanks
[18:21] <devildante> Thank YOU for offering me your help :)
[18:21] <bilalakhtar> devildante: Hello there! Appears you are going to host a class for UOW, what would it be on? decided?
[18:22] <devildante> bilalakthar: Hi! :) I just modified the title, It will be "How to contribute to Ubuntu"
[18:22] <devildante> I'll be sure to "link" to your session :)
[18:22] <bilalakhtar> devildante: CLASH!
[18:22] <bilalakhtar> okay
[18:22] <bilalakhtar> fine then
[18:22] <bilalakhtar> but I was aiming for one like this!
[18:23] <devildante> bilalakhtar: yours is about development, mine will be general (code, translations, art...)
[18:23] <devildante> bug triaging :p
[18:23] <bilalakhtar> okay then
[18:31] <devildante> bilalakhtar: ping
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> Thanks devildante !
[18:31] <devildante> no problem :)
[19:14] <hggdh> enjoy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/
[19:25] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh, this is a bug support channel! :P .. good article tho
[19:25]  * bcurtiswx_ runs
[19:25] <hggdh> LOL
[19:29] <kamusin> hah
[19:31] <yofel> :D
[19:43] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:37] <rusivi> :)
[21:17] <rusivi> I was newb'in around in bug 147203 and it looks this is the next step to focus on: Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:17] <rusivi> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1385:4251 Netgear, Inc WG111T (no firmware)
[21:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 147203 in linux (Ubuntu) "Netgear WG111T not auto-sensed (dups: 2) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147203
[21:19] <devildante> charlie-tca: ping
[21:20] <rusivi> That was from Netgear USB Adapter lsusb plug/unplugged
[21:20] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:20] <rusivi> :D
[21:20] <rusivi> ty
[21:20] <charlie-tca> wait
[21:20] <rusivi> yes?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> go ahead and confirm it
[21:21] <rusivi> Yes sir!
[21:21] <devildante> charlie-tca: is there a graph for bugs with the jaunty tag?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> my brain is slow aghain
[21:21] <rusivi> Would you like me to silent confirm or post a little of my above mentioned thought process?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> devildante: if you add that part to the bugday, the graph gets created, I think
[21:22] <devildante> waaaaaa? automatically or what?
[21:23] <rusivi> charlie-tca
[21:23] <charlie-tca> automatically or bdmurray creates it
[21:24] <devildante> charlie-tca: how could it even be created automatically? via a script?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:24] <devildante> ah... thanks :)
[21:24] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:25] <rusivi> I'll just confirm and let my progress stand
[21:25] <charlie-tca> setting up system 6 for testing
[21:25] <devildante> charlie-tca: so I can just leave the graph url as is, just changing the TARGET bit?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I think it will work.
[21:25] <devildante> 'kay, thanks :)
[21:25] <bdmurray> I'm not sure it will
[21:26] <charlie-tca> heh, well, there's the person that really knows
[21:26] <devildante> bdmurray: I'll do http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/jaunty/plots/jaunty-1day-triaging.png
[21:26] <devildante> Do you want me to put another URL?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> No, just leave the graph off it
[21:27] <devildante> okay :)
[21:29] <devildante> charlie-tca: btw, you said jpds was in charge of the screenshot uploading stuff. Should I ping him?
[21:33] <charlie-tca> no, I said mdke, I thought.
[21:33] <devildante> ah, thanks :)
[21:33] <charlie-tca> He hangs out it #ubuntu-doc
[21:34] <charlie-tca> jpds probably get upset with that idea :-)
[22:00] <devildante> charlie-tca: aaaaaand another question: is there no bugnumbers in maverick?
[22:01] <charlie-tca> where?
[22:01] <charlie-tca> There should be bugnumbers
[22:01] <devildante> I mean the bugnumbers command, from the bughelper package
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Oh
[22:01] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I do the listings manually, using the openoffice technique
[22:02] <devildante> okay, thanks a lot :)
[22:29] <devildante> charlie-tca: seems the CONCATENATE formula is not working :(
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Let me find it here
[22:39] <charlie-tca> hmm, here is the real formula - =CONCATENATE("||<rowstyle="background-color: ;"> [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/,A1,"|",A1,"]] || ",B1;" ||  ||" )
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I think
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I apparently changed it a bit, when I used it.
[22:40] <charlie-tca> oh, that semicolon after B1 needs to be a comma
[22:46] <charlie-tca> devildante: did that one work?
[22:47] <devildante> charlie-tca: sorry for being late. no, it didn't work :(
[22:47] <charlie-tca> hmm
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Well, there is the complicated method I used, then.
[22:48] <charlie-tca> line 1 of OpenOffice spreadsheet - ||<rowstyle="background-color: ;"> [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/	|	]] || 	 ||  ||
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Well, that isn't right either, huh?
[22:49] <devildante> I'll try, don't be hasty :p
[22:50] <devildante> Doesn't do anything... or do I have to add CONCATENATE?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> Okay, lets do it one at a time
[22:51] <charlie-tca> A1 = ||<rowstyle="background-color: ;"> [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/
[22:51] <charlie-tca> B1 = |
[22:51] <devildante> oh, so I add a new line to the top?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:51] <charlie-tca> C1 = ]] ||
[22:52] <charlie-tca> That has a space after the symbols
[22:52] <charlie-tca> D1 =  ||  ||
[22:52] <charlie-tca> space before the symbols
[22:53] <charlie-tca> bug numbers in A2 down
[22:53] <charlie-tca> description in B2 down
[22:53] <charlie-tca> formula for C2 down
[22:53] <charlie-tca> =CONCATENATE($A$1,A2,$B$1,A2,$C$1,B2,$D$1)
[22:53] <charlie-tca> pasted just like that
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Change A1 to ||<rowstyle="background-color: ;"> [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/
[22:55] <charlie-tca> if we don't use the right url, it messes up the hugday tool
[22:58] <devildante> it works only for the first row (C2)
[22:58] <charlie-tca> You copied it down the column?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You have to copy it to each cell in column C
[22:59] <devildante> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
[22:59] <devildante> silly me, there must an automatic way :p
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Took me 4 hours to figure it out from the wiki
[23:00] <devildante> haha
[23:00] <devildante> it needs some serious fixing
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yeah, I guess it does
[23:02] <charlie-tca> I fixed it some, guess I just didn't go far enough, huh?
[23:02] <devildante> yeah :p
[23:03] <charlie-tca> So, you think I have to put all of this in there?
[23:03]  * devildante is a complete n00b in OpenOffice, he can't seem to know how to copy the formula in all the cells
[23:03] <devildante> charlie-tca: Idk, some opinions would be necessary, I think
[23:04] <charlie-tca> Click the cell you want to copy, Then click edit - copy
[23:04] <charlie-tca> Then hilite the cells you want to copy to, like C3 to C100
[23:04] <charlie-tca> Then click Edit - Paste
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Then ignore that flashing cell and work normal
[23:06] <devildante> it pastes only for the upper cell of the selection :(
[23:07] <charlie-tca> why?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> I guess you have to paste each one, then
[23:08] <devildante> I have like 150 bugs here, I can't do that :p
[23:08] <devildante> a
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Are all your C column lined up, or is it spread all over?
[23:09] <devildante> what do you mean? It's, like, normal :p
[23:09] <jpds> charlie-tca / devildante: Screenshot uploading stuff?
[23:09] <devildante> solved by mdke the nice man :)
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Okay. Mine the columns were merged bad
[23:10] <devildante> Mine?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Do all the descriptions start in the same place, so the column is aligned?
[23:13] <devildante> They start at the same place, although most of them are breaking the limits of their column (but they all are in the B column)
[23:15] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/115569
[23:16] <charlie-tca> water on the keyboard, if it quits, I will be back after I change it out
[23:16]  * devildante will sleep nevertheless
[23:16] <devildante> can we continue tomorrow?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:17] <devildante> thanks and bye :)
[23:17] <charlie-tca> bye