| Muscovy | Hello all. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| UndiFineD | hey Muscovy | 00:13 |
| UndiFineD | I am writing up a summary | 00:13 |
| Muscovy | Oh, what on? | 00:13 |
| UndiFineD | on what has happened and where work can be done | 00:14 |
| Muscovy | Where are you writing it, UndiFineD? | 00:15 |
| UndiFineD | atm in gedit :p | 00:16 |
| Muscovy | Not sure if you know, but we've got basic tutorials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour | 00:16 |
| UndiFineD | yeah I know, this is more a bit of progress overview | 00:17 |
| UndiFineD | what was done | 00:17 |
| Muscovy | Oh ok. | 00:18 |
| MadnessRed | :0 someone removed my connecting to the network tour :( | 00:52 |
| Muscovy | Aprilg did that a few days ago because there were 2. | 00:53 |
| MadnessRed | oh ok, | 00:53 |
| Muscovy | If anything's missing in the retained one, just splice it in. | 00:53 |
| MadnessRed | kk | 00:54 |
| MadnessRed | do we have a list anywhere of things which need doing, programming wize? | 00:56 |
| UndiFineD | do that in the code | 00:57 |
| UndiFineD | at work I tend to do that with lines starting with /* TODO: */ | 00:58 |
| UndiFineD | so for all things todo you can search them | 00:58 |
| MadnessRed | ok | 01:01 |
| MadnessRed | I also found a list on the wiki | 01:01 |
| UndiFineD | people who read code, generally like their things todo in there, people who provide content need a separate place for that. | 01:13 |
| UndiFineD | some provided html comments, but this tends to be overwritten or removed | 01:15 |
| MadnessRed | kk | 01:23 |
| MadnessRed | I have got the arrows working, look at the build test, for the latest push, rev 189 | 01:23 |
| UndiFineD | wow, there is actually work done today :p | 01:47 |
| MadnessRed | ok try 191, the built tests should show you how the arrows work | 01:51 |
| UndiFineD | nice !!!!! | 02:04 |
| UndiFineD | you made it exactly as I imagined | 02:04 |
| UndiFineD | MadnessRed, deserves a cookie | 02:05 |
| MadnessRed | :) | 02:06 |
| MadnessRed | I would have prefered it to be a bit smoother | 02:06 |
| UndiFineD | AA ? | 02:07 |
| UndiFineD | or like it is done to fonts | 02:07 |
| MadnessRed | Don't think so, I am hoping to find another way of making the arrows completely | 02:08 |
| MadnessRed | The arrow is actually a pygtk window | 02:08 |
| UndiFineD | I removed my screenshots and the proposed nl translations made by Ivo | 02:12 |
| MadnessRed | kk | 02:13 |
| UndiFineD | I will redo them in the morning | 02:13 |
| UndiFineD | as my vm is ready and I have a bit more time then | 02:14 |
| UndiFineD | it is 3 am now, so time for bed | 02:14 |
| MadnessRed | ok, 2am here | 02:16 |
| MadnessRed | talk more tomorrow | 02:17 |
| webrsk | UndiFineD: hey :) | 07:46 |
| webrsk | Phaiax: Hello :) | 09:10 |
| Phaiax | ji | 09:10 |
| Phaiax | hi | 09:10 |
| webrsk | hope you having fun :) | 09:11 |
| Phaiax | yey, i have | 09:11 |
| webrsk | I was fixing some bug in backend code of tour.. | 09:12 |
| webrsk | while doing that i found the The Places page has used .svg images. Do you know is there any specific reason for using it... we can use the screenshot of places meny itself rite..!!! | 09:12 |
| webrsk | because svg images arise errors !! So if i know the reason of using it, i shall think of the solution based on it... | 09:15 |
| Phaiax | the reason is that the standart icon pack uses vector based images, because they are better scalable | 09:19 |
| Phaiax | ah i see the error | 09:21 |
| Phaiax | but its only a GtkWarning and no error... | 09:21 |
| Phaiax | i think that is no problem at all... because all gnome applicatiobs print such GtkWarnings sometimes | 09:21 |
| webrsk | yes...but we can use the screenshot of the The Places menu itself rite...because application and system menu uses screenshots so it will be unique... | 09:22 |
| webrsk | This page alone getting differentiated by using Icons also the labels are not matching to the exact menu like "Desktop" is shown as "Desktop Folder"... | 09:23 |
| Phaiax | hm, okay | 09:26 |
| Phaiax | i'm convinced | 09:27 |
| webrsk | Am i make sense , Phaiax ? | 09:27 |
| Phaiax | yes | 09:27 |
| webrsk | Cool :) | 09:27 |
| UndiFineD | good morning | 12:20 |
| webrsk | Happy morning UndiFineD :) | 12:23 |
| UndiFineD | getting side-tracked by email | 13:04 |
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| miloBing | hello | 16:35 |
| UndiFineD | hi | 16:38 |
| UndiFineD | I may be a bit slow, as I am making the dutch screenshots atm | 16:39 |
| miloBing | it's alright | 16:40 |
| Silasle | UndiFineD: I agree on everything in that "progress evaluation"! :) Except, fp | 17:45 |
| Silasle | opps | 17:45 |
| UndiFineD | hello Silasle :) | 17:46 |
| Silasle | *except, dp we need all those topics under missing? | 17:46 |
| UndiFineD | fp ? | 17:46 |
| Silasle | *do | 17:46 |
| UndiFineD | no we do not need all, unless we are becoming a replacement for the standard ubuntu help | 17:46 |
| UndiFineD | I am thinking ahead as how to get it approved as a standard package, inside the installation cd | 17:47 |
| Silasle | So what do you think that really is "missing" in ubuntu-tour now? | 17:48 |
| UndiFineD | then ubuntu / canonicl will set a few demands | 17:48 |
| UndiFineD | the first line of missing, absolutely | 17:49 |
| Silasle | Printing is not that easy :P | 17:49 |
| UndiFineD | even when people will not look at the licence and disclaimer, it has to be there | 17:50 |
| UndiFineD | i know printing is not easy, I do not even own a printer | 17:50 |
| UndiFineD | but when we provide info for scanning, printing is a must have too | 17:51 |
| Silasle | Yes, but I still have to print whit windows on the network printer, i don't think that is possible on linux :'( | 17:52 |
| UndiFineD | and my thoughts wander off to "the paperless office of 15 years ago" | 17:52 |
| UndiFineD | it is possible | 17:53 |
| Silasle | It's an photo printer | 17:53 |
| UndiFineD | network printers are even eassier than lpt / scsi / usb connected ones | 17:53 |
| Silasle | How? | 17:53 |
| UndiFineD | network printers do not require drivers | 17:54 |
| UndiFineD | everything is handled by cups / gutenprint | 17:54 |
| Silasle | Maybe i'll try again when maverick comes out | 17:54 |
| UndiFineD | it's already out in alpha | 17:54 |
| UndiFineD | works quite well, just a few minor issues | 17:55 |
| UndiFineD | the screenshot cd, is maverick alpha | 17:55 |
| Silasle | I wait for the real release. | 17:55 |
| UndiFineD | anyway I am busy making dutch screenshots | 17:57 |
| UndiFineD | and switch screens often | 17:58 |
| Silasle | Creating screenshots is not my problem, i'm an programmer. ;) | 17:58 |
| UndiFineD | so am I, but still have to learn python | 17:59 |
| * UndiFineD is away for diner | 18:04 | |
| * UndiFineD is back | 18:51 | |
| jasono | I can revise. | 19:04 |
| UndiFineD | hey jason, | 19:05 |
| jasono | Hi | 19:05 |
| UndiFineD | here as announced on the mailing list | 19:05 |
| UndiFineD | I think a few others will join in, later tonight | 19:06 |
| jasono | Cool. | 19:06 |
| UndiFineD | (20:06 here) | 19:06 |
| jasono | I'm a newbie at this. How do I add things to bzzr. What country? I'll add it to my Panel. | 19:06 |
| jasono | 14:07 here in AMerica | 19:07 |
| UndiFineD | bazaar is explained here: http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/ | 19:07 |
| jasono | I've been there but I can't get it. There's a folder that's been download to my 'Home' folder. Is that where I put in my contributions? | 19:08 |
| jasono | To upload my work. | 19:09 |
| UndiFineD | you get a local folder called ~/ubuntu-tour | 19:09 |
| jasono | Yes I got that. | 19:09 |
| UndiFineD | this happened during bzr pull | 19:09 |
| Silasle | You can edit in ~/ubuntu-tour | 19:10 |
| UndiFineD | that is also the way to get others revisions | 19:10 |
| Silasle | and then push your work up to the server whit bzr push | 19:10 |
| jasono | How do I edit in ~/ubuntu-tour? BY the Terminal? | 19:10 |
| UndiFineD | when you made changes there, first pull again, to make sure your changes do not conflict with others, | 19:11 |
| Silasle | Edit how you want, gedit, xemacs or some other editor | 19:11 |
| UndiFineD | then bzr add && bzr commit -m "your descriptive message here" && bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour | 19:12 |
| jasono | So the Ubuntu tour folder in my home folder is on a server. So I can edit it's content then run the bzr ubuntu tour terminal command to save/push it to the server for evryone to see? | 19:13 |
| UndiFineD | tou get a local copy that you can change in whatever way you like, and by push-ing you upload your commited changes | 19:14 |
| jasono | Okay. So when I edit the contents in the Ubuntu tour folder. What terminal command do I run to upload it? | 19:15 |
| UndiFineD | if a conflict happens, this can easily be resolved by bzr merge | 19:15 |
| UndiFineD | I use bazaar explorer to do some thing in a gui and that allows easy access to the log of commits | 19:16 |
| UndiFineD | so I can see what others typed and did | 19:16 |
| jasono | How did you learn this? | 19:16 |
| jasono | I want to learn. | 19:16 |
| UndiFineD | reading mostly :) | 19:17 |
| jasono | Oh. :( | 19:17 |
| jasono | WHere? | 19:17 |
| UndiFineD | everywhere, you can find so much information locally and online | 19:18 |
| jasono | :( | 19:18 |
| UndiFineD | anything you do not know and want to learn about you can google | 19:18 |
| jasono | I want this to be so easy for me. I'm teaching myself programming but it seems so hard.... :( | 19:18 |
| UndiFineD | programming is more a state of mind, how do things happen logically | 19:19 |
| UndiFineD | I was already programming before I owned a computer, this was in 1988, I got books from the library and learned basic | 19:20 |
| jasono | I ran bzr pull to update the copy of the branch and it gave me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/499879/ | 19:21 |
| jasono | Oh I read a book on BASIC | 19:21 |
| jasono | But it's old, we don't use that anymore. | 19:21 |
| UndiFineD | python is basic but with left out characters | 19:21 |
| UndiFineD | and line numbers | 19:21 |
| UndiFineD | actually, people are still actively doingg basic programming | 19:22 |
| jasono | Interesting......... :) | 19:23 |
| UndiFineD | fire up synaptic, select all, and search for basic | 19:23 |
| jasono | I will. | 19:23 |
| jasono | Which one? Gave me a list including: basic256 | 19:24 |
| UndiFineD | whichever you thing will help you | 19:26 |
| UndiFineD | think | 19:26 |
| jasono | Baic256 installed. | 19:28 |
| Silasle | I did UBasic some years ago, for the camera. | 19:33 |
| Omega | Good day guys. | 19:33 |
| jasono | Oh. | 19:33 |
| jasono | Well if you can recommend me some sites or books I would greatly appreciate it! | 19:34 |
| Silasle | Hi Omega | 19:34 |
| Omega | Python is not BASIC, and thank god it isn't too. | 19:34 |
| Silasle | Basic was fun :P | 19:35 |
| UndiFineD | hey Omega | 19:35 |
| Silasle | But jasono, do you want python or basic? I would learn python | 19:35 |
| jasono | Hello OMegam. | 19:35 |
| jasono | Omega | 19:35 |
| UndiFineD | No I merely wanted to point out it is a state of mind, python and basic are very diffirent, but once tyou have the state of mind, the programming language does not matter | 19:35 |
| Omega | No-one uses BASIC. | 19:35 |
| jasono | Agree. | 19:36 |
| Silasle | I used this: http://docs.python.org/release/2.5.2/tut/tut.html | 19:36 |
| UndiFineD | though it would be fun to see the old basic code working that used to handle floppy drives | 19:37 |
| jasono | Thank you. | 19:37 |
| Omega | 2.5 is old now | 19:38 |
| Omega | 2.7 is what you should use | 19:38 |
| Silasle | No big changes | 19:38 |
| jasono | Thanks alot. | 19:39 |
| jasono | And if I can revise online for now, it would be easier. | 19:40 |
| UndiFineD | with bazaar you mean ? | 19:40 |
| jasono | Oh. Then I guess. | 19:41 |
| jasono | If you can show me. | 19:41 |
| Silasle | It is easy if you did it once | 19:41 |
| jasono | I never have. | 19:41 |
| Silasle | Hmm, i where going to send jasono an short tutorial :( | 19:47 |
| UndiFineD | I already pointed to our branch manual | 19:48 |
| UndiFineD | it does not get any clearer than that | 19:48 |
| Silasle | No, but some people need more explanation. | 19:50 |
| UndiFineD | indeed, some people are very scared to do something wrong | 19:51 |
| Silasle | jasono: Try the manual at ubuntutour.org and ask if you need some help | 19:52 |
| jasono | Thank you. | 19:53 |
| Silasle | Hey, bug 636618 isn't fixed! | 21:03 |
| Silasle | But i think i know how to fix it | 21:04 |
| UndiFineD | great :) | 21:05 |
| Muscovy | WHat's the bug? | 21:05 |
| UndiFineD | i just mentioned some bugs have had their fixes | 21:05 |
| UndiFineD | Muscovy, your into the code as well, aren't you ? | 21:05 |
| Muscovy | Omega, you here? | 21:05 |
| Muscovy | UndiFineD: Kinda. I can code, but I'm not at all used to GTK stuff. | 21:06 |
| Silasle | So, I pushed that fix | 21:06 |
| UndiFineD | I was wondering if we could have language independant next and previous buttons too | 21:06 |
| Silasle | Muscovy: The "When first opened, tour window shows redundant scrollbar" bug | 21:07 |
| Omega | Muscovy: I am. | 21:07 |
| Muscovy | Omega, did you file the Ubottu request? | 21:07 |
| Muscovy | I remembered that just now with the mention of bugs. | 21:10 |
| Omega | Muscovy: Yes. | 21:11 |
| Muscovy | It took about a week for the ubuntulo1 request to go through. | 21:12 |
| Muscovy | :| | 21:12 |
| Silasle | UndiFineD: Doesn't gtk.Button(stock=gtk.STOCK_GO_FORWARD) fix that whit the language? | 21:14 |
| UndiFineD | not for me | 21:14 |
| UndiFineD | when I do | 21:14 |
| Omega | Muscovy: Oh, this is a different request? | 21:15 |
| UndiFineD | $ LANG=nl_NL.utf8 && python ubuntu-tour.py | 21:15 |
| Silasle | Is that changing the language? | 21:15 |
| UndiFineD | yes | 21:15 |
| Muscovy | Omega: yeah. Ubottu is the bot for generic responses and buginfo and so on, Ubuntulo1 is the log bot. | 21:16 |
| Silasle | I think i just have english installed. | 21:16 |
| Silasle | So i cant try | 21:16 |
| UndiFineD | installing a langage pack should make a diffirent language available in gnome | 21:18 |
| UndiFineD | which should change when LANG is set | 21:18 |
| Silasle | Can you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/499940/ (replace ubuntu-tour.py) ? | 21:18 |
| UndiFineD | $ LANG=nl_NL.utf8 && python try.py <-- showing correct language buttons | 21:21 |
| Silasle | is try.py my file? | 21:21 |
| UndiFineD | yeop | 21:21 |
| Silasle | So we can change that in the trunk? | 21:21 |
| UndiFineD | i think so | 21:21 |
| Silasle | But then we get forward instead of next | 21:21 |
| UndiFineD | "Klik op <b>Volgende</b> om te beginnen." matches my button text | 21:22 |
| UndiFineD | :D | 21:22 |
| Silasle | Ok | 21:23 |
| UndiFineD | I don't know, maybe there is a en_GB / en_US diffirence ? | 21:23 |
| UndiFineD | I'll try | 21:23 |
| Silasle | Dutch isn't that difficult if you can speak german :P | 21:24 |
| UndiFineD | no appearantly not | 21:24 |
| Silasle | No, but we set the text to next manually before. | 21:24 |
| Silasle | So i commit and then we change the text files using next? | 21:25 |
| UndiFineD | that might be easiest | 21:25 |
| UndiFineD | I had 4 years of german education in school I and I still don't get it | 21:26 |
| UndiFineD | kino, sounds more like a red-light district thing | 21:27 |
| * Silasle has parents from Germany but lives in Sweden. | 21:27 | |
| Silasle | The code is commited | 21:28 |
| UndiFineD | Silasle, I will remove my try.py | 21:28 |
| UndiFineD | so it doesn't clutter up bazaar | 21:29 |
| Silasle | I will change next to forward. | 21:29 |
| Silasle | Changed | 21:31 |
| Silasle | We are at revision 200! Nice Work! | 21:32 |
| Muscovy | :D | 21:33 |
| Silasle | That logo on the first page is enormous. | 21:35 |
| Muscovy | I keep meaning to build a nicer one. | 21:36 |
| UndiFineD | I liked the bus | 21:41 |
| UndiFineD | it seemed engaging | 21:42 |
| Silasle | Better then the one we have now | 21:42 |
| UndiFineD | at it brought a smile to my 9yo daughter | 21:43 |
| UndiFineD | yes I have a test crowd :p | 21:43 |
| Muscovy | Really? I didn't like the bus. | 21:44 |
| Muscovy | I figured a prominent desktop screenshot (maybe larger than now) would be a good base. | 21:44 |
| Silasle | Who created the one we have now? | 21:44 |
| UndiFineD | if it is larger, you can read the language | 21:44 |
| Silasle | You can already | 21:45 |
| UndiFineD | then my eyes are getting worse | 21:46 |
| Muscovy | I edited the bus one and stuck the screenshot there. | 21:46 |
| Silasle | But the username is alex | 21:47 |
| Silasle | Ok, your name is Alexander | 21:47 |
| Muscovy | Yes. | 21:49 |
| Muscovy | I go by both, so I just alex as my username just 'cause it's shorter. | 21:49 |
| UndiFineD | about ubuntu nl_NL screenshots ready | 22:56 |
| UndiFineD | so content is similar to english | 22:56 |
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