[00:00] Hello all. [00:13] hey Muscovy [00:13] I am writing up a summary [00:13] Oh, what on? [00:14] on what has happened and where work can be done [00:15] Where are you writing it, UndiFineD? [00:16] atm in gedit :p [00:16] Not sure if you know, but we've got basic tutorials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour [00:17] yeah I know, this is more a bit of progress overview [00:17] what was done [00:18] Oh ok. [00:52] :0 someone removed my connecting to the network tour :( [00:53] Aprilg did that a few days ago because there were 2. [00:53] oh ok, [00:53] If anything's missing in the retained one, just splice it in. [00:54] kk [00:56] do we have a list anywhere of things which need doing, programming wize? [00:57] do that in the code [00:58] at work I tend to do that with lines starting with /* TODO: */ [00:58] so for all things todo you can search them [01:01] ok [01:01] I also found a list on the wiki [01:13] people who read code, generally like their things todo in there, people who provide content need a separate place for that. [01:15] some provided html comments, but this tends to be overwritten or removed [01:23] kk [01:23] I have got the arrows working, look at the build test, for the latest push, rev 189 [01:47] wow, there is actually work done today :p [01:51] ok try 191, the built tests should show you how the arrows work [02:04] nice !!!!! [02:04] you made it exactly as I imagined [02:05] MadnessRed, deserves a cookie [02:06] :) [02:06] I would have prefered it to be a bit smoother [02:07] AA ? [02:07] or like it is done to fonts [02:08] Don't think so, I am hoping to find another way of making the arrows completely [02:08] The arrow is actually a pygtk window [02:12] I removed my screenshots and the proposed nl translations made by Ivo [02:13] kk [02:13] I will redo them in the morning [02:14] as my vm is ready and I have a bit more time then [02:14] it is 3 am now, so time for bed [02:16] ok, 2am here [02:17] talk more tomorrow [07:46] UndiFineD: hey :) [09:10] Phaiax: Hello :) [09:10] ji [09:10] hi [09:11] hope you having fun :) [09:11] yey, i have [09:12] I was fixing some bug in backend code of tour.. [09:12] while doing that i found the The Places page has used .svg images. Do you know is there any specific reason for using it... we can use the screenshot of places meny itself rite..!!! [09:15] because svg images arise errors !! So if i know the reason of using it, i shall think of the solution based on it... [09:19] the reason is that the standart icon pack uses vector based images, because they are better scalable [09:21] ah i see the error [09:21] but its only a GtkWarning and no error... [09:21] i think that is no problem at all... because all gnome applicatiobs print such GtkWarnings sometimes [09:22] yes...but we can use the screenshot of the The Places menu itself rite...because application and system menu uses screenshots so it will be unique... [09:23] This page alone getting differentiated by using Icons also the labels are not matching to the exact menu like "Desktop" is shown as "Desktop Folder"... [09:26] hm, okay [09:27] i'm convinced [09:27] Am i make sense , Phaiax ? [09:27] yes [09:27] Cool :) [12:20] good morning [12:23] Happy morning UndiFineD :) [13:04] getting side-tracked by email === abr4xas_ is now known as abr4xas [16:35] hello [16:38] hi [16:39] I may be a bit slow, as I am making the dutch screenshots atm [16:40] it's alright [17:45] UndiFineD: I agree on everything in that "progress evaluation"! :) Except, fp [17:45] opps [17:46] hello Silasle :) [17:46] *except, dp we need all those topics under missing? [17:46] fp ? [17:46] *do [17:46] no we do not need all, unless we are becoming a replacement for the standard ubuntu help [17:47] I am thinking ahead as how to get it approved as a standard package, inside the installation cd [17:48] So what do you think that really is "missing" in ubuntu-tour now? [17:48] then ubuntu / canonicl will set a few demands [17:49] the first line of missing, absolutely [17:49] Printing is not that easy :P [17:50] even when people will not look at the licence and disclaimer, it has to be there [17:50] i know printing is not easy, I do not even own a printer [17:51] but when we provide info for scanning, printing is a must have too [17:52] Yes, but I still have to print whit windows on the network printer, i don't think that is possible on linux :'( [17:52] and my thoughts wander off to "the paperless office of 15 years ago" [17:53] it is possible [17:53] It's an photo printer [17:53] network printers are even eassier than lpt / scsi / usb connected ones [17:53] How? [17:54] network printers do not require drivers [17:54] everything is handled by cups / gutenprint [17:54] Maybe i'll try again when maverick comes out [17:54] it's already out in alpha [17:55] works quite well, just a few minor issues [17:55] the screenshot cd, is maverick alpha [17:55] I wait for the real release. [17:57] anyway I am busy making dutch screenshots [17:58] and switch screens often [17:58] Creating screenshots is not my problem, i'm an programmer. ;) [17:59] so am I, but still have to learn python [18:04] * UndiFineD is away for diner [18:51] * UndiFineD is back [19:04] I can revise. [19:05] hey jason, [19:05] Hi [19:05] here as announced on the mailing list [19:06] I think a few others will join in, later tonight [19:06] Cool. [19:06] (20:06 here) [19:06] I'm a newbie at this. How do I add things to bzzr. What country? I'll add it to my Panel. [19:07] 14:07 here in AMerica [19:07] bazaar is explained here: http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/ [19:08] I've been there but I can't get it. There's a folder that's been download to my 'Home' folder. Is that where I put in my contributions? [19:09] To upload my work. [19:09] you get a local folder called ~/ubuntu-tour [19:09] Yes I got that. [19:09] this happened during bzr pull [19:10] You can edit in ~/ubuntu-tour [19:10] that is also the way to get others revisions [19:10] and then push your work up to the server whit bzr push [19:10] How do I edit in ~/ubuntu-tour? BY the Terminal? [19:11] when you made changes there, first pull again, to make sure your changes do not conflict with others, [19:11] Edit how you want, gedit, xemacs or some other editor [19:12] then bzr add && bzr commit -m "your descriptive message here" && bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour [19:13] So the Ubuntu tour folder in my home folder is on a server. So I can edit it's content then run the bzr ubuntu tour terminal command to save/push it to the server for evryone to see? [19:14] tou get a local copy that you can change in whatever way you like, and by push-ing you upload your commited changes [19:15] Okay. So when I edit the contents in the Ubuntu tour folder. What terminal command do I run to upload it? [19:15] if a conflict happens, this can easily be resolved by bzr merge [19:16] I use bazaar explorer to do some thing in a gui and that allows easy access to the log of commits [19:16] so I can see what others typed and did [19:16] How did you learn this? [19:16] I want to learn. [19:17] reading mostly :) [19:17] Oh. :( [19:17] WHere? [19:18] everywhere, you can find so much information locally and online [19:18] :( [19:18] anything you do not know and want to learn about you can google [19:18] I want this to be so easy for me. I'm teaching myself programming but it seems so hard.... :( [19:19] programming is more a state of mind, how do things happen logically [19:20] I was already programming before I owned a computer, this was in 1988, I got books from the library and learned basic [19:21] I ran bzr pull to update the copy of the branch and it gave me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/499879/ [19:21] Oh I read a book on BASIC [19:21] But it's old, we don't use that anymore. [19:21] python is basic but with left out characters [19:21] and line numbers [19:22] actually, people are still actively doingg basic programming [19:23] Interesting......... :) [19:23] fire up synaptic, select all, and search for basic [19:23] I will. [19:24] Which one? Gave me a list including: basic256 [19:26] whichever you thing will help you [19:26] think [19:28] Baic256 installed. [19:33] I did UBasic some years ago, for the camera. [19:33] Good day guys. [19:33] Oh. [19:34] Well if you can recommend me some sites or books I would greatly appreciate it! [19:34] Hi Omega [19:34] Python is not BASIC, and thank god it isn't too. [19:35] Basic was fun :P [19:35] hey Omega [19:35] But jasono, do you want python or basic? I would learn python [19:35] Hello OMegam. [19:35] Omega [19:35] No I merely wanted to point out it is a state of mind, python and basic are very diffirent, but once tyou have the state of mind, the programming language does not matter [19:35] No-one uses BASIC. [19:36] Agree. [19:36] I used this: http://docs.python.org/release/2.5.2/tut/tut.html [19:37] though it would be fun to see the old basic code working that used to handle floppy drives [19:37] Thank you. [19:38] 2.5 is old now [19:38] 2.7 is what you should use [19:38] No big changes [19:39] Thanks alot. [19:40] And if I can revise online for now, it would be easier. [19:40] with bazaar you mean ? [19:41] Oh. Then I guess. [19:41] If you can show me. [19:41] It is easy if you did it once [19:41] I never have. [19:47] Hmm, i where going to send jasono an short tutorial :( [19:48] I already pointed to our branch manual [19:48] it does not get any clearer than that [19:50] No, but some people need more explanation. [19:51] indeed, some people are very scared to do something wrong [19:52] jasono: Try the manual at ubuntutour.org and ask if you need some help [19:53] Thank you. [21:03] Hey, bug 636618 isn't fixed! [21:04] But i think i know how to fix it [21:05] great :) [21:05] WHat's the bug? [21:05] i just mentioned some bugs have had their fixes [21:05] Muscovy, your into the code as well, aren't you ? [21:05] Omega, you here? [21:06] UndiFineD: Kinda. I can code, but I'm not at all used to GTK stuff. [21:06] So, I pushed that fix [21:06] I was wondering if we could have language independant next and previous buttons too [21:07] Muscovy: The "When first opened, tour window shows redundant scrollbar" bug [21:07] Muscovy: I am. [21:07] Omega, did you file the Ubottu request? [21:10] I remembered that just now with the mention of bugs. [21:11] Muscovy: Yes. [21:12] It took about a week for the ubuntulo1 request to go through. [21:12] :| [21:14] UndiFineD: Doesn't gtk.Button(stock=gtk.STOCK_GO_FORWARD) fix that whit the language? [21:14] not for me [21:14] when I do [21:15] Muscovy: Oh, this is a different request? [21:15] $ LANG=nl_NL.utf8 && python ubuntu-tour.py [21:15] Is that changing the language? [21:15] yes [21:16] Omega: yeah. Ubottu is the bot for generic responses and buginfo and so on, Ubuntulo1 is the log bot. [21:16] I think i just have english installed. [21:16] So i cant try [21:18] installing a langage pack should make a diffirent language available in gnome [21:18] which should change when LANG is set [21:18] Can you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/499940/ (replace ubuntu-tour.py) ? [21:21] $ LANG=nl_NL.utf8 && python try.py <-- showing correct language buttons [21:21] is try.py my file? [21:21] yeop [21:21] So we can change that in the trunk? [21:21] i think so [21:21] But then we get forward instead of next [21:22] "Klik op Volgende om te beginnen." matches my button text [21:22] :D [21:23] Ok [21:23] I don't know, maybe there is a en_GB / en_US diffirence ? [21:23] I'll try [21:24] Dutch isn't that difficult if you can speak german :P [21:24] no appearantly not [21:24] No, but we set the text to next manually before. [21:25] So i commit and then we change the text files using next? [21:25] that might be easiest [21:26] I had 4 years of german education in school I and I still don't get it [21:27] kino, sounds more like a red-light district thing [21:27] * Silasle has parents from Germany but lives in Sweden. [21:28] The code is commited [21:28] Silasle, I will remove my try.py [21:29] so it doesn't clutter up bazaar [21:29] I will change next to forward. [21:31] Changed [21:32] We are at revision 200! Nice Work! [21:33] :D [21:35] That logo on the first page is enormous. [21:36] I keep meaning to build a nicer one. [21:41] I liked the bus [21:42] it seemed engaging [21:42] Better then the one we have now [21:43] at it brought a smile to my 9yo daughter [21:43] yes I have a test crowd :p [21:44] Really? I didn't like the bus. [21:44] I figured a prominent desktop screenshot (maybe larger than now) would be a good base. [21:44] Who created the one we have now? [21:44] if it is larger, you can read the language [21:45] You can already [21:46] then my eyes are getting worse [21:46] I edited the bus one and stuck the screenshot there. [21:47] But the username is alex [21:47] Ok, your name is Alexander [21:49] Yes. [21:49] I go by both, so I just alex as my username just 'cause it's shorter. [22:56] about ubuntu nl_NL screenshots ready [22:56] so content is similar to english