[00:00] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[00:13] <UndiFineD> hey Muscovy
[00:13] <UndiFineD> I am writing up a summary
[00:13] <Muscovy> Oh, what on?
[00:14] <UndiFineD> on what has happened and where work can be done
[00:15] <Muscovy> Where are you writing it, UndiFineD?
[00:16] <UndiFineD> atm in gedit :p
[00:16] <Muscovy> Not sure if you know, but we've got basic tutorials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[00:17] <UndiFineD> yeah I know, this is more a bit of progress overview
[00:17] <UndiFineD> what was done
[00:18] <Muscovy> Oh ok.
[00:52] <MadnessRed> :0 someone removed my connecting to the network tour :(
[00:53] <Muscovy> Aprilg did that a few days ago because there were 2.
[00:53] <MadnessRed> oh ok,
[00:53] <Muscovy> If anything's missing in the retained one, just splice it in.
[00:54] <MadnessRed> kk
[00:56] <MadnessRed> do we have a list anywhere of things which need doing, programming wize?
[00:57] <UndiFineD> do that in the code
[00:58] <UndiFineD> at work I tend to do that with lines starting with /* TODO: */
[00:58] <UndiFineD> so for all things todo you can search them
[01:01] <MadnessRed> ok
[01:01] <MadnessRed> I also found a list on the wiki
[01:13] <UndiFineD> people who read code, generally like their things todo in there, people who provide content need a separate place for that.
[01:15] <UndiFineD> some provided html comments, but this tends to be overwritten or removed
[01:23] <MadnessRed> kk
[01:23] <MadnessRed> I have got the arrows working, look at the build test, for the latest push, rev 189
[01:47] <UndiFineD> wow, there is actually work done today :p
[01:51] <MadnessRed> ok try 191, the built tests should show you how the arrows work
[02:04] <UndiFineD> nice !!!!!
[02:04] <UndiFineD> you made it exactly as I imagined
[02:05] <UndiFineD> MadnessRed, deserves a cookie
[02:06] <MadnessRed> :)
[02:06] <MadnessRed> I would have prefered it to be a bit smoother
[02:07] <UndiFineD> AA ?
[02:07] <UndiFineD> or like it is done to fonts
[02:08] <MadnessRed> Don't think so, I am hoping to find another way of making the arrows completely
[02:08] <MadnessRed> The arrow is actually a pygtk window
[02:12] <UndiFineD> I removed my screenshots and the proposed nl translations made by Ivo
[02:13] <MadnessRed> kk
[02:13] <UndiFineD> I will redo them in the morning
[02:14] <UndiFineD> as my vm is ready and I have a bit more time then
[02:14] <UndiFineD> it is 3 am now, so time for bed
[02:16] <MadnessRed> ok, 2am here
[02:17] <MadnessRed> talk more tomorrow
[07:46] <webrsk> UndiFineD: hey :)
[09:10] <webrsk> Phaiax: Hello :)
[09:10] <Phaiax> ji
[09:10] <Phaiax> hi
[09:11] <webrsk> hope you having fun :)
[09:11] <Phaiax> yey, i have
[09:12] <webrsk> I was fixing some bug in backend code of tour..
[09:12] <webrsk> while doing that i found the The Places page has used .svg images. Do you know is there any specific reason for using it... we can use the screenshot of places meny itself rite..!!!
[09:15] <webrsk> because svg images arise errors !! So if i know the reason of using it, i shall think of the solution based on it...
[09:19] <Phaiax> the reason is that the standart icon pack uses vector based images, because they are better scalable
[09:21] <Phaiax> ah i see the error
[09:21] <Phaiax> but its only a GtkWarning and no error...
[09:21] <Phaiax> i think that is no problem at all... because all gnome applicatiobs print such GtkWarnings sometimes
[09:22] <webrsk> yes...but we can use the screenshot of the The Places menu itself rite...because application and system menu uses screenshots so it will be unique...
[09:23] <webrsk> This page alone getting differentiated by using Icons also the labels are not matching to the exact menu like "Desktop" is shown as "Desktop Folder"...
[09:26] <Phaiax> hm, okay
[09:27] <Phaiax> i'm convinced
[09:27] <webrsk> Am i make sense , Phaiax ?
[09:27] <Phaiax> yes
[09:27] <webrsk> Cool :)
[12:20] <UndiFineD> good morning
[12:23] <webrsk> Happy morning UndiFineD :)
[13:04] <UndiFineD> getting side-tracked by email
[16:35] <miloBing> hello
[16:38] <UndiFineD> hi
[16:39] <UndiFineD> I may be a bit slow, as I am making the dutch screenshots atm
[16:40] <miloBing> it's alright
[17:45] <Silasle> UndiFineD: I agree on everything in that "progress evaluation"!  :)  Except, fp
[17:45] <Silasle> opps
[17:46] <UndiFineD> hello Silasle :)
[17:46] <Silasle> *except, dp we need all those topics under missing?
[17:46] <UndiFineD> fp ?
[17:46] <Silasle> *do
[17:46] <UndiFineD> no we do not need all, unless we are becoming a replacement for the standard ubuntu help
[17:47] <UndiFineD> I am thinking ahead as how to get it approved as a standard package, inside the installation cd
[17:48] <Silasle> So what do you think that really is "missing" in ubuntu-tour now?
[17:48] <UndiFineD> then ubuntu / canonicl will set a few demands
[17:49] <UndiFineD> the first line of missing, absolutely
[17:49] <Silasle> Printing is not that easy :P
[17:50] <UndiFineD> even when people will not look at the licence and disclaimer, it has to be there
[17:50] <UndiFineD> i know printing is not easy, I do not even own a printer
[17:51] <UndiFineD> but when we provide info for scanning, printing is a must have too
[17:52] <Silasle> Yes, but I still have to print whit windows on the network printer, i don't think that is possible on linux  :'(
[17:52] <UndiFineD> and my thoughts wander off to "the paperless office of 15 years ago"
[17:53] <UndiFineD> it is possible
[17:53] <Silasle> It's an photo printer
[17:53] <UndiFineD> network printers are even eassier than lpt / scsi / usb connected ones
[17:53] <Silasle> How?
[17:54] <UndiFineD> network printers do not require drivers
[17:54] <UndiFineD> everything is handled by cups / gutenprint
[17:54] <Silasle> Maybe i'll try again when maverick comes out
[17:54] <UndiFineD> it's already out in alpha
[17:55] <UndiFineD> works quite well, just a few minor issues
[17:55] <UndiFineD> the screenshot cd, is maverick alpha
[17:55] <Silasle> I wait for the real release.
[17:57] <UndiFineD> anyway I am busy making dutch screenshots
[17:58] <UndiFineD> and switch screens often
[17:58] <Silasle> Creating screenshots is not my problem, i'm an programmer. ;)
[17:59] <UndiFineD> so am I, but still have to learn python
[18:04]  * UndiFineD is away for diner
[18:51]  * UndiFineD is back
[19:04] <jasono> I can revise.
[19:05] <UndiFineD> hey jason,
[19:05] <jasono> Hi
[19:05] <UndiFineD> here as announced on the mailing list
[19:06] <UndiFineD> I think a few others will join in, later tonight
[19:06] <jasono> Cool.
[19:06] <UndiFineD> (20:06 here)
[19:06] <jasono> I'm a newbie at this. How do I add things to bzzr. What country? I'll add it to my Panel.
[19:07] <jasono> 14:07 here in AMerica
[19:07] <UndiFineD> bazaar is explained here: http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/
[19:08] <jasono> I've been there but I can't get it. There's a folder that's been download to my 'Home' folder. Is that where I put in my contributions?
[19:09] <jasono> To upload my work.
[19:09] <UndiFineD> you get a local folder called ~/ubuntu-tour
[19:09] <jasono> Yes I got that.
[19:09] <UndiFineD> this happened during bzr pull
[19:10] <Silasle> You can edit in ~/ubuntu-tour
[19:10] <UndiFineD> that is also the way to get others revisions
[19:10] <Silasle> and then push your work up to the server whit bzr push
[19:10] <jasono> How do I edit in  ~/ubuntu-tour? BY the Terminal?
[19:11] <UndiFineD> when you made changes there, first pull again, to make sure your changes do not conflict with others,
[19:11] <Silasle> Edit how you want, gedit, xemacs or some other editor
[19:12] <UndiFineD> then bzr add && bzr commit -m "your descriptive message here" && bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour
[19:13] <jasono> So the Ubuntu tour folder in my home folder is on a server. So I can edit it's content then run the bzr ubuntu tour terminal command to save/push it to the server for evryone to see?
[19:14] <UndiFineD> tou get a local copy that you can change in whatever way you like, and by push-ing you upload your commited changes
[19:15] <jasono> Okay. So when I edit the contents in the Ubuntu tour folder. What terminal command do I run to upload it?
[19:15] <UndiFineD> if a conflict happens, this can easily be resolved by bzr merge
[19:16] <UndiFineD> I use bazaar explorer to do some thing in a gui and that allows easy access to the log of commits
[19:16] <UndiFineD> so I can see what others typed and did
[19:16] <jasono> How did you learn this?
[19:16] <jasono> I want to learn.
[19:17] <UndiFineD> reading mostly :)
[19:17] <jasono> Oh. :(
[19:17] <jasono> WHere?
[19:18] <UndiFineD> everywhere, you can find so much information locally and online
[19:18] <jasono> :(
[19:18] <UndiFineD> anything you do not know and want to learn about you can google
[19:18] <jasono> I want this to be so easy for me. I'm teaching myself programming but it seems so hard.... :(
[19:19] <UndiFineD> programming is more a state of mind, how do things happen logically
[19:20] <UndiFineD> I was already programming before I owned a computer, this was in 1988, I got books from the library and learned basic
[19:21] <jasono> I ran bzr pull to update the copy of the branch and it gave me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/499879/
[19:21] <jasono> Oh I read a book on BASIC
[19:21] <jasono> But it's old, we don't use that anymore.
[19:21] <UndiFineD> python is basic but with left out characters
[19:21] <UndiFineD> and line numbers
[19:22] <UndiFineD> actually, people are still actively doingg basic programming
[19:23] <jasono> Interesting......... :)
[19:23] <UndiFineD> fire up synaptic, select all, and search for basic
[19:23] <jasono> I will.
[19:24] <jasono> Which one? Gave me a list including: basic256
[19:26] <UndiFineD> whichever you thing will help you
[19:26] <UndiFineD> think
[19:28] <jasono> Baic256 installed.
[19:33] <Silasle> I did UBasic some years ago, for the camera.
[19:33] <Omega> Good day guys.
[19:33] <jasono> Oh.
[19:34] <jasono> Well if you can recommend me some sites or books I would greatly appreciate it!
[19:34] <Silasle> Hi Omega
[19:34] <Omega> Python is not BASIC, and thank god it isn't too.
[19:35] <Silasle> Basic was fun :P
[19:35] <UndiFineD> hey Omega
[19:35] <Silasle> But jasono, do you want python or basic? I would learn python
[19:35] <jasono> Hello OMegam.
[19:35] <jasono> Omega
[19:35] <UndiFineD> No I merely wanted to point out it is a state of mind, python and basic are very diffirent, but once tyou have the state of mind, the programming language does not matter
[19:35] <Omega> No-one uses BASIC.
[19:36] <jasono> Agree.
[19:36] <Silasle> I used this: http://docs.python.org/release/2.5.2/tut/tut.html
[19:37] <UndiFineD> though it would be fun to see the old basic code working that used to handle floppy drives
[19:37] <jasono> Thank you.
[19:38] <Omega> 2.5 is old now
[19:38] <Omega> 2.7 is what you should use
[19:38] <Silasle> No big changes
[19:39] <jasono> Thanks alot.
[19:40] <jasono> And if I can revise online for now, it would be easier.
[19:40] <UndiFineD> with bazaar you mean ?
[19:41] <jasono> Oh. Then I guess.
[19:41] <jasono> If you can show me.
[19:41] <Silasle> It is easy if you did it once
[19:41] <jasono> I never have.
[19:47] <Silasle> Hmm, i where going to send jasono an short tutorial :(
[19:48] <UndiFineD> I already pointed to our branch manual
[19:48] <UndiFineD> it does not get any clearer than that
[19:50] <Silasle> No, but some people need more explanation.
[19:51] <UndiFineD> indeed, some people are very scared to do something wrong
[19:52] <Silasle> jasono: Try the manual at ubuntutour.org and ask if you need some help
[19:53] <jasono> Thank you.
[21:03] <Silasle> Hey, bug  636618 isn't fixed!
[21:04] <Silasle> But i think i know how to fix it
[21:05] <UndiFineD> great :)
[21:05] <Muscovy> WHat's the bug?
[21:05] <UndiFineD> i just mentioned some bugs have had their fixes
[21:05] <UndiFineD> Muscovy, your into the code as well, aren't you ?
[21:05] <Muscovy> Omega, you here?
[21:06] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: Kinda. I can code, but I'm not at all used to GTK stuff.
[21:06] <Silasle> So, I pushed that fix
[21:06] <UndiFineD> I was wondering if we could have language independant next and previous buttons too
[21:07] <Silasle> Muscovy: The "When first opened, tour window shows redundant scrollbar" bug
[21:07] <Omega> Muscovy: I am.
[21:07] <Muscovy> Omega, did you file the Ubottu request?
[21:10] <Muscovy> I remembered that just now with the mention of bugs.
[21:11] <Omega> Muscovy: Yes.
[21:12] <Muscovy> It took about a week for the ubuntulo1 request to go through.
[21:12] <Muscovy> :|
[21:14] <Silasle> UndiFineD: Doesn't gtk.Button(stock=gtk.STOCK_GO_FORWARD) fix that whit the language?
[21:14] <UndiFineD> not for me
[21:14] <UndiFineD> when I do
[21:15] <Omega> Muscovy: Oh, this is a different request?
[21:15] <UndiFineD> $ LANG=nl_NL.utf8 && python ubuntu-tour.py
[21:15] <Silasle> Is that changing the language?
[21:15] <UndiFineD> yes
[21:16] <Muscovy> Omega: yeah. Ubottu is the bot for generic responses and buginfo and so on, Ubuntulo1 is the log bot.
[21:16] <Silasle> I think i just have english installed.
[21:16] <Silasle> So i cant try
[21:18] <UndiFineD> installing a langage pack should make a diffirent language available in gnome
[21:18] <UndiFineD> which should change when LANG is set
[21:18] <Silasle> Can you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/499940/ (replace ubuntu-tour.py) ?
[21:21] <UndiFineD> $ LANG=nl_NL.utf8 && python try.py <-- showing correct language buttons
[21:21] <Silasle> is try.py my file?
[21:21] <UndiFineD> yeop
[21:21] <Silasle> So we can change that in the trunk?
[21:21] <UndiFineD> i think so
[21:21] <Silasle> But then we get forward instead of next
[21:22] <UndiFineD> "Klik op <b>Volgende</b> om te beginnen." matches my button text
[21:22] <UndiFineD> :D
[21:23] <Silasle> Ok
[21:23] <UndiFineD> I don't know, maybe there is a en_GB / en_US diffirence ?
[21:23] <UndiFineD> I'll try
[21:24] <Silasle> Dutch isn't that difficult if you can speak german :P
[21:24] <UndiFineD> no appearantly not
[21:24] <Silasle> No, but we set the text to next manually before.
[21:25] <Silasle> So  i commit and then we change the text files using next?
[21:25] <UndiFineD> that might be easiest
[21:26] <UndiFineD> I had 4 years of german education in school I and I still don't get it
[21:27] <UndiFineD> kino, sounds more like a red-light district thing
[21:27]  * Silasle has parents from Germany but lives in Sweden.
[21:28] <Silasle> The code is commited
[21:28] <UndiFineD> Silasle, I will remove my try.py
[21:29] <UndiFineD> so it doesn't clutter up bazaar
[21:29] <Silasle> I will change next to forward.
[21:31] <Silasle> Changed
[21:32] <Silasle> We are at revision 200! Nice Work!
[21:33] <Muscovy> :D
[21:35] <Silasle> That logo on the first page is enormous.
[21:36] <Muscovy> I keep meaning to build a nicer one.
[21:41] <UndiFineD> I liked the bus
[21:42] <UndiFineD> it seemed engaging
[21:42] <Silasle> Better then the one we have now
[21:43] <UndiFineD> at it brought a smile to my 9yo daughter
[21:43] <UndiFineD> yes I have a test crowd :p
[21:44] <Muscovy> Really? I didn't like the bus.
[21:44] <Muscovy> I figured a prominent desktop screenshot (maybe larger than now) would be a good base.
[21:44] <Silasle> Who created the one we have now?
[21:44] <UndiFineD> if it is larger, you can read the language
[21:45] <Silasle> You can already
[21:46] <UndiFineD> then my eyes are getting worse
[21:46] <Muscovy> I edited the bus one and stuck the screenshot there.
[21:47] <Silasle> But the username is alex
[21:47] <Silasle> Ok, your name is Alexander
[21:49] <Muscovy> Yes.
[21:49] <Muscovy> I go by both, so I just alex as my username just 'cause it's shorter.
[22:56] <UndiFineD> about ubuntu nl_NL screenshots ready
[22:56] <UndiFineD> so content is similar to english