[00:33] <ScottL> persia, #606533 is asking (plus on #ubuntu-devel) to upgrade lmms to 0.4.7 and the developer is asking to upgrade to 0.4.8
[00:34] <ScottL> persia, ubuntu has 0.4.5 and debian has 0.4.7
[00:34] <ScottL> persia, reading the changelog it looks like 0.4.8 fixes many bugs (including crashes) so it seems sane to upgrade this
[00:34] <ScottL> persia, any opinion on it?
[00:34] <ScottL> bug 606533
[00:37]  * holstein +1 on the upgrade :)
[00:39] <persia> ScottL, lmms is mostly self-contained (not so many rdepends), and SevenMachines tends to do careful work.
[00:40] <persia> My recommendation would be to get someone you trust to test SevenMachines' build, and if it seems clean, approve it.
[00:41] <persia> Upstream may want 0.4.8, but you'd need to find someone to merge that into Debian before saying "Yes", and you want to get it tested.
[00:53] <ScottL> persia,  i have already sent quadrispro a memo about it
[01:00] <ronj> could anyone confirm ISO installation still fails? LP #642405
[01:07] <ScottL> persia, ugh, sevenmachine's lmms wants to install wine and ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
[01:15] <persia> That would be unsuitable for install by default, now wouldn't it.
[01:18] <persia> Best would probably be to discuss/explain the reasons we need it different and get an update.
[01:19] <persia> Other than that, I'm unsure: updating and dropping from the seeds would be bad, and might question why you would approve the update.
[01:32] <ScottL> persia, dropping lmms in natty...i understand your point
[01:33] <ScottL> ronj, :(
[01:34] <ronj> ScottL, indeed, but also :) to discover it now
[01:35] <ronj> but it's true it's now been a long long time with an uninstallable iso, and the release is approaching...
[01:49] <ScottL> sorry, working with daughter on homework
[02:04] <TheMuso> Ok, found the problem for real this time. Seems Colin forgot to remove foomatic-db-hpijs from the seeds, which is a virtual package, replaced by foomatic-db, which is a dep of foomatic-db-compressed-ppds
[02:06] <persia> Aha!
[02:08] <ronj> TheMuso, :D
[02:24] <TheMuso> Ok new meta uploaded.
[02:24] <TheMuso> ./c
[02:53] <ronj> yay! will test tomorrow once the iso is rebuilt
[02:55] <TheMuso> Assuming it is let through the queue in time.
[03:01] <ScottL> oh good, thanks TheMuso  :)
[03:02] <ScottL> persia, i don't think i want to approve the lmms freeze exception
[03:03] <persia> ScottL, OK.  There are some bugfixes: you could ask for the interested parties to change things before you'd accept it.
[03:03] <persia> But it's really a judgement call: what gives the users the best experience: older lmms or mostly untested lmms based on what can get done in the next week or so.
[03:04] <persia> But you're in charge: you get to decide :)
[03:04] <ScottL> yay!   </sarcasm off>
[03:04] <ScottL> lol
[03:04] <persia> So if you don't want to do it, don't do it.  if someone *really* wants it, you'll get argument, so be prepared to explain why.
[03:04] <persia> yeah, well.  There are benefits to being in charge, although it doesn't always seem that way :)
[03:05] <ScottL> i'll see if i can catch quadrispro and ask his opinion about it, he might be able to get 0.4.8 ready without any problem
[03:05] <ScottL> then we can test a few times
[03:05] <persia> I'd recommend chasing SevenMachines about it: he's been working with the code recently, and has been doing other useful stuff (like fixing musecore a couple days back)
[03:05] <persia> Unless quadrispro is very unbusy for some reason :)
[03:06] <ScottL> some of my concerns are the ttf-mscorefont-installer in sevenmachine's build, 0.4.7 vs 0.4.8, possibly dropping it in natty
[03:06] <ScottL> AND this isn't an lts release
[03:06] <ScottL> i would certainly be willing to jump through more hoops for an lts
[03:07] <persia> I agree with all your reservations.
[03:07] <persia> That said, I try very hard not to be in charge of anything :)
[03:07] <persia> (mostly because I don't like making those decisions)
[03:07] <ScottL> but i'll talk to sevenmachines as well, he deserves the courtesy if nothing else :)
[03:08] <persia> That's the core of my point, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was willing to add delta if it was required for a known reason (like being part of the US install)
[04:03] <ScottL> hi hansfbaier 
[04:03] <hansfbaier> ScottL: Hi.
[04:28] <hansfbaier> ScottL: ????
[04:44] <ScottL> just saying hi hansfbaier  :)
[04:44]  * ScottL was away at other computer answering emails
[04:44] <hansfbaier> ScottL: Ah, ok.....
[04:47] <ScottL> i was just noticing that this channel is more occupied than it has been in a while
[04:47] <persia> Of course.  Releases are exciting :)
[14:50] <scott-work> hi abogani, how are you today?
[15:22] <astraljava> I see that ronj had been asking about install image last night? I'll be testing during the weekend, but are there results already after the -meta update?
[15:23] <scott-work> astraljava: luke made the changes again last night and had concerns that it they were done in time to queue up for building the images, so today's ISO might still have the bad -meta in it :(
[15:24] <scott-work> astraljava: however, surely by tomorrow it should be resolved :)
[15:24] <astraljava> scott-work: Alright, then I'll download tomorrow and test on Sunday. Thanks!
[15:24] <scott-work> although i saw a new email from colin this morning about some unistallable binary this morning :/
[15:25] <astraljava> scott-work: But that was about fglrx, might not stop the installation as I have nVidia card.
[16:02] <abogani> scott-work: Fine thanks
[16:02] <abogani> scott-work: And you?
[16:06] <scott-work> abogani: i'm doing nicely, thank you :)
[16:06] <scott-work> of course it is a Friday afterall :D
[16:10] <abogani> scott-work: :-D