[04:39] <AbhiJit> hi
[05:03] <rusivi> :)
[05:09] <AbhiJit> bye
[11:04] <AbhiJit> v
[11:04] <devildante> 'kay :)
[11:04] <devildante> :p
[11:06] <AbhiJit> :)
[11:06] <devildante> what is 'v'?
[11:12] <AbhiJit> hi om26er
[11:13] <om26er> AbhiJit, hey there.
[11:13] <AbhiJit> om26er, you got me memo?
[11:13] <AbhiJit> my*
[11:13] <om26er> AbhiJit, no
[11:13] <AbhiJit> :o
[11:13] <om26er> where?
[11:13] <AbhiJit> om26er, type /msg memoserv read 0
[11:13] <AbhiJit> try tiwth 1 or 2 etc
[11:14] <om26er> AbhiJit, aha
[11:14] <om26er> AbhiJit, tell me the time you will be available tomorrow
[11:15] <AbhiJit> om26er, tomorow morning?
[11:15] <om26er> AbhiJit, I will be up at 1PM atleast so after that ;)
[11:16] <AbhiJit> oh no
[11:16] <AbhiJit> i mean after 8 am onwards
[11:16] <om26er> ha
[11:16]  * om26er sleeps too much
[11:16] <AbhiJit> ohhh
[11:16] <AbhiJit> when you will come online tomorow? when you are free?
[11:17] <AbhiJit> i am whole day online donig project work
[11:17] <AbhiJit> om26er, ^^
[11:17] <om26er> AbhiJit, I will be online after 1. if not here or on gtalk just email me and I will sign in
[11:18] <AbhiJit> 1am is too early for me actually!!!! ok i wll mail you in morning!
[11:19] <om26er> cool
[11:19] <om26er> any pulseaudio expert here ? when I change a song pulse audio crashes :(
[11:20] <AbhiJit> :P
[11:26] <om26er> when is the next bug day?
[11:26] <om26er> !bugday
[11:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'bugday' not found
[11:31] <devildante> om26er: 30 september
[11:36] <om26er> thanks devildante
[11:36] <devildante> np
[11:40] <om26er> devildante, was your old nick evildante?
[11:40] <devildante> not at all, it was always devildante
[11:41] <om26er> that might be someone else then
[11:41] <devildante> yeah...
[14:38] <penguin42> any ideas as to what I should do if I'm seeing the return of an old seriousish bug - bug 453678
[14:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 453678 in apt (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "udev initramfs hook ignores that udevadm is disabled, copies it anyway (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453678
[15:11] <hggdh> penguin42: you just experienced it on Maverick?
[15:13] <penguin42> hggdh: Yes
[15:14] <penguin42> hggdh: And I did a couple of weeks ago
[15:15] <penguin42> hggdh: It'll be a mess if it affects normal users
[15:25] <vish> hggdh: got a min for an evolution question..? :)
[15:31] <devildante> vish: evolving? like pokémons? :p
[15:32] <vish> heh, i knew someone would poke that "evolve " ;p
[15:33] <hggdh> vish: yes
[15:33] <vish>  devildante hggdh used to do evo triage
[15:33] <devildante> what??
[15:33] <devildante> evo triage, what's that?
[15:33] <hggdh> and the answer is yes, evolution is the best theory by far at the moment
[15:34] <devildante> I didn't understand a thing :p
[15:34] <hggdh> :-)
[15:34] <hggdh> devildante: I guess vish has an issue on Evolution he wants to talk about
[15:35]  * devildante lol'd hard :p
[15:35] <hggdh> penguin42: do you have the logs for this issue on Maverick? If so, please update the bug, and (although a bit late) nominate to maverick
[15:36] <penguin42> hggdh: I've hit the nominate, log wise there isn't much to show since it just leaves you in initramfs's prompt
[15:37] <penguin42> and sometime in the last week flash sound has broken
[15:37] <penguin42> ooh, worked now - hmm
[15:38] <penguin42> erk; it's not using pulse
[15:43] <hggdh> :-)
[15:43]  * penguin42 it's a bit worrying that breaking at freeze
[15:48] <penguin42> hmm bug 641056
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641056 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Loader chooses 64-bit instead of 32-bit library (affects: 6) (heat: 36)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641056
[16:51] <penguin42> heck, I hate it when I have two versions of a package - with one nasty bug in each
[16:54]  * penguin42 has one version of ia32-libs which plays sound in flash and another version where mesa works
[16:54] <devildante> what would you want 32bit mesa for?
[16:54] <penguin42> devildante: Google earth
[16:54] <devildante> ah
[17:31] <killian> Hi
[17:31] <devildante> HI killian :)
[17:32] <killian> im using lanscape for monitoring and i i've found something strange :p
[17:32] <killian> 46% memory used with landscape
[17:33] <killian> but i've only 800M/8000 used
[17:35] <killian> so it's not 46% but 10% no?
[17:35] <devildante> killian: yeah, you should report a bug
[17:35] <devildante> killian: with "ubuntu-bug landscape"
[17:36] <devildante> after searching if the bug has already been reported, of course ;)
[17:36] <killian> of course :)
[17:37] <hggdh> I think it has
[17:49] <devildante> bdmurray: ping
[17:49] <devildante> and hi charlie-tca :)
[17:49] <charlie-tca> hi
[17:49] <devildante> charlie-tca: I solved that table problem
[17:50] <charlie-tca> Great!
[17:50] <devildante> charlie-tca: I did it with a Python script :p
[17:50] <devildante> Python >>> OOO
[17:51] <charlie-tca> really?
[17:51] <devildante> yep :p
[18:01] <devildante> bdmurray: ping?
[18:04] <charlie-tca> So, we still don't know how to do it in OO.o?
[18:04] <devildante> no :p
[18:04] <devildante> bilalakhtar, please stop connecting and disconnecting :p
[18:04] <bilalakhtar> devildante: yup, I apologised for it on most channels
[18:05] <devildante> no problem :)
[18:05] <bilalakhtar> actually, I was writing an irssi script, so was testing it, to avoid the autojoin I wanted to use the -! flag which wasn't working due to an irssi bug
[18:05] <bilalakhtar> devildante: ^^
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I will try to put together a good way to use OO.o to do the bugs, and put it on the wiki
[18:07] <devildante> charlie-tca: that would be great :)
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Right now, though, I am testing Xubuntu - installed using the maverick desktop image on a 400MHz cpu with 384MB ram
[18:08] <devildante> that should be enough, I guess... or not? :p
[18:09] <charlie-tca> It is a little slow, but the installation worked
[18:09] <penguin42> charlie-tca: The fact the install worked for 384MB is reassuring
[18:09] <charlie-tca> My thought too
[18:09] <devildante> as far as I know, 256 is enough for even installing Ubuntu
[18:09] <charlie-tca> I have something like 4MB video card in it
[18:09]  * penguin42 wouldn't bet on 256 working these days
[18:10] <charlie-tca> Nope, devildante
[18:10] <charlie-tca> It won't work for Ubuntu
[18:10] <charlie-tca> The desktop cd requires more than that
[18:11] <devildante> "You will need at least 256MB of RAM to install from this CD"
[18:11] <charlie-tca> That is my goal for tomorrow. Test with 256MB using both desktop images
[18:11] <devildante> I was talking only about the installation
[18:11] <charlie-tca> The Ubuntu cd won't work, as far as I recall. It failed for 10.04, at least
[18:11] <devildante> ah...
[18:12] <devildante> So that notice is outdated :p
[18:12] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:13] <charlie-tca> this is a bottom end system. old stb 4mb video, 400MHz cpu, vary the ram from 256 to 384
[18:14]  * devildante sees bcurtiswx and bcurtiswx_
[18:14] <bcurtiswx_> with _ is me on my laptop
[18:14] <bcurtiswx_> the non _ is my always-on desktop
[18:14] <devildante> argh, I forgot :p
[18:37] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: The GDK_NATIVE_WINDOW fix for flash plugin clicks is interesting; it's great if it works, but I'm suspicious since the bug is so old it's way before client side windows went in
[18:37] <hggdh> anyone with a system with floppy disks?
[18:37] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:38] <charlie-tca> hggdh: I do have a hardware system with a floppy drive, and I have blank disks
[18:38] <hggdh> charlie-tca: on Lucid/Maverick, do you get longer waits when booting with this system?
[18:39] <hggdh> and -- can you actually mount a floppy?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> waits are not longer that I have noticed.
[18:39] <hggdh> there is a thread on the ubuntu-users ML where people are complaining about it -- and, unfortunately, mostly dissing Ubuntu
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried to mount a floppy in maverick
[18:40] <charlie-tca> lucid required manually mounting them
[18:40]  * hggdh has not used/seen/had a floppy for the last 8 years
[18:40] <hggdh> yes. manual mount is OK
[18:41] <penguin42> hggdh: I'm having longer boot times on Maverick - I've got a ~30second pause from somewhere
[18:41] <hggdh> penguin42: bingo!
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Tell them unplug the cable if it is slow. If the floppy drive dies, it really slows the system down
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> penguin42, really?
[18:41] <devildante> bdmurray: ping
[18:41] <penguin42> hggdh: But no floppy drive
[18:41] <jibel> hggdh, I had to disable the floppy drive because 10.10 livecd didnt boot. There is a bug report about it and the longer boot time
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> the bug was reported in 08/2009
[18:41] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: Look at the dupes
[18:41] <hggdh> penguin42: but you have a system with a floppy controller and it is enabled on BIOS, right?
[18:41] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: People have been getting no-clicks-in-flash for many many years
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> client side windows was introduced in gtk 2.18, in the karmic cycle
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> penguin42, all reported after csw with the exception of a single report
[18:42] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: Hmm, it feels longer
[18:42] <penguin42> hggdh: Well that's a good question, I've not checked the bios
[18:43] <penguin42> hggdh: There aren't any floppy/fd messages in dmesg
[18:43] <hggdh> jibel: yes indeed -- but the bug was closed fixreleased with an update to udisk, I think
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> in fact, even on the single report that is older than csw, most comments happened after it landed
[18:44] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: I was thinking of bug 108733 that I filed
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 108733 in nspluginwrapper (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "flash losing clicks with desktop effects enabled (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108733
[18:45] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: It may well have been a separate underlying cause
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> yes, it's unrelated
[18:45] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: Ah ok; just sneazing in the direction of flash upsets it I think
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Part of the slowdown is when the floppy seek on boot is set in bios
[18:46] <hggdh> yes, and this is outside our control; the only way would be to disable floppy on BIOS
[18:47] <penguin42> hggdh: I could check the bios to see if floppy is enabled, but I doubt it - all I can see in the bootchart is lvm sitting there for ~30 seconds
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Some of the older bios setups allow you to turn off "check floppy drive for disks on startup"
[18:47] <charlie-tca> of something similar to that
[18:47] <penguin42> hggdh: My hang is bug 625395
[18:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625395 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] ~30s boot pause (affects: 1) (heat: 119)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625395
[18:48] <charlie-tca> If they leave that turned on without a floppy in the drive, it does make the boot a lot longer
[18:49] <hggdh> penguin42: so you are not affected by floopy on boot. Good. Can you try to mount a floppy?
[18:49] <hggdh> after logging in
[18:49] <penguin42> hggdh: Not on this machine - it doesn't have a floppy drive
[18:49] <hggdh> ho
[18:49] <hggdh> :-)
[18:50] <penguin42> the only machines I have that do are my P90 and some of my dads machines, and I'm not going to attack my dads machines until it's stable
[18:51] <penguin42> and some how I don't think the P90 would be much use for Ubuntu
[18:52] <hggdh> I agree, of course. Not worth risking your dad's machines :-)
[18:52] <penguin42> actually that's going to be a painful move, he's still running KDE 3.5 in 8.4 which needs forcibly fixing
[18:56] <hggdh> bah. Forget, the tone of the thread just made me not willing to work on it anymore -- otherwise I will be one more 'unqualified people' working on it.
[18:56] <devildante> sorry for that, hggdh :(
[18:56] <hggdh> their choice, devildante.
[18:57] <devildante> :)
[18:57] <penguin42> hggdh: Ooh, kvm/qemu will do floppy drive emulation :-)
[18:57] <devildante> oh, I forgot about that one :p
[19:00] <hggdh> I will try it under KVM. Later, when I cool down a bit. Don't really like the tone.
[19:00] <hggdh> penguin42: thanks for the reminder
[19:00] <penguin42> sigh, unfortunately it hits an apparmor problem if you connect it
[19:00] <devildante> hggdh: Care to send me a link to the thread?
[19:01] <devildante> if you want, of course :)
[19:02] <jibel> hggdh, with or without floppy drive enabled, the boot time is the same ~47s. I have no floppy in the drive.
[19:03] <jibel> hggdh, please don't ask me to find a floppy :-)
[19:04]  * penguin42 throws jibel a floppy
[19:04]  * devildante intercepts it
[19:05] <devildante> and I break it, along with all your hopes :p
[19:05] <bcurtiswx_> what floppy, the true floppy, or the small things they kept the floppy disk name with?
[19:05]  * bcurtiswx_ remembers true floppy disks
[19:06] <charlie-tca> 3.5 inch, I think
[19:06] <bcurtiswx_> booo :P
[19:06] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: true floppies. the 3 1/2, 5 1/4, 9, and 11 inches
[19:06] <charlie-tca> although, I do have a 5.25 floppy drive, too
[19:06] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_: I have got a few boxes of 8" ones, but I gave my machine that could use those to a museum a few months back
[19:07] <bcurtiswx_> museum... really?
[19:07] <bcurtiswx_> quite an honor i guess...
[19:07] <penguin42> yeh
[19:07] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_: Only a local science/industry museum
[19:07] <cjae> wow is kubuntu10.10 a good beta its got less problems than the LTS lol
[19:07] <bcurtiswx_> still, people will be looking (and awwing/ahhing) over _your_ computer
[19:08] <cjae> afaik anyway
[19:09] <cjae> what up with the k menu entry for proprietary ati driver, the amdcccle (administrative) doesnt do anything :(
[19:10] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_: http://picasaweb.google.com/treblig.org/Perq#
[19:11] <penguin42> anyway, bug 647664 is kvm/qemu not being able to start up with a floppy image attached
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 647664 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "Unhelpful Security labelling error with read-only floppy image (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647664
[19:11] <cjae> but after you install the ubuntu-desktop it does something, it like the ati driver when installed with jockey needs some extra gtk libraries installed too
[19:11] <bcurtiswx_> penguin42, beautiful computer, even needed a belt.. wow
[19:12] <hggdh> cjae: there was a problem with the ATI proprietary driver on Maverick; I do not know how it is now, don't use it anymore (since Karmic)
[19:13] <hggdh> and ATI's maintenance record is, ah, poor
[19:13] <cjae> this happens in .04 and .10, without the ubuntu-desktop installed, one can always use kdesudo amdcccle but that is not for average user
[19:13]  * penguin42 hugs the open driver
[19:14] <penguin42> hggdh: I'd agree there is a pause in the boot with the floppy connected in kvm/qemu (use a file in your home dir, not a shared one)
[19:14]  * penguin42 goes to get dinner
[19:14] <cjae> me too but it does not detect my tv resolution correctly
[19:14] <cjae> so I am forced to use the prop
[19:15] <hggdh> cjae: is there a bug opened on it? Has it been upstreamed?
[19:16] <cjae> hggdh: I know very little about bug reporting, I did post one though
[19:16] <hggdh> cjae: bug #, please
[19:16] <cjae> one sec
[19:18] <cjae> launchpad slow
[19:23] <cjae> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/637808
[19:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 637808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "only using properitary ati driver can plasma (panasonic plasma) via hdmi be used (affects: 1) (heat: 487)" [Undecided,New]
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Okay, I have fresh install here on a hardware system with a floppy drive
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Now, what do you need me to do?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> um, it is Xubuntu
[19:25] <hggdh> charlie-tca: still good to try; complain in on Gnome, but we can, at least, check
[19:25] <hggdh> charlie-tca: after logging in, try to mount a floppy, and see if you have access, please
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Okay
[19:26] <cjae> also in maverick there a is another bug from 10.04, that is similiar to this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/637825
[19:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 637825 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "kdm scrammbles screen on kde 4.5 logout kubuntu 10.04 (affects: 1) (heat: 426)" [Undecided,New]
[19:26] <hggdh> cjae: the bug was opened with apport -- this is good. Now we have to wait for the X folks to get there...
[19:26] <cjae> when you click logout it just goes to a black screen
[19:28] <killian> bye
[19:28] <cjae> not sure about the tty part of the bug in maverick and I cannot test it since the machine is working on things right now
[19:28] <cjae> hggdh: ok
[19:30] <charlie-tca> hmm, double clicking the floppy drive makes it show the cursor spinning, spinning, spinning...
[19:30] <hggdh> charlie-tca: good! (er, actually bad). So the bug is there even with Xubuntu
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Error: Unable to mount "Floppy Drive":  mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[19:31] <Tiibiidii> uh, i noticed now that a bug i confirmed, has been reported a month later than a duplicate
[19:31] <Tiibiidii> this duplicate is still "new", but it's earlier and it got 3 people affected
[19:31] <Tiibiidii> should i flag the late bug as a duplicate?
[19:32] <devildante> flag the bug you confirmed as duplicate
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Which one has the best information?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> hggdh: anything else?
 Which one has the best information? <-- i think the one i confirmed, but i just copypaste what's missing on the other side
[19:33] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:33] <devildante> Can you give us the bug numbers, please? :)
[19:33] <charlie-tca> If the one you confirmed has the info, leave it as the master
[19:35] <charlie-tca> hggdh: That floppy disk was apparently unformatted. I put one in containing dos printer drivers, and it mounted immediately
[19:35] <hggdh> charlie-tca: can you check on /etc/fstab if there is a /dev/fd0 entry? if so, can you comment it out and try again?
[19:35] <hggdh> oh
[19:35] <hggdh> charlie-tca: so no problems on Xubuntu
[19:35] <charlie-tca> All I had to do was double-click the drive on my desktop
 If the one you confirmed has the info, leave it as the master <-- mhn, actually, it has more comments, but not any relevant info that the other doesn't have :P now i've already put the other as the master however
[19:37] <charlie-tca> hggdh: gets worse. I can now mount any floppy by double-clicking
[19:37] <hggdh> heh
[19:38] <devildante> oh my, it's a serious bug if it's working for you :p
[19:38] <charlie-tca> yes, there is an /etc/fstab entry for the floppy drive
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Now you gonna want to test this in Ubuntu, huh?
[19:38] <hggdh> charlie-tca: and 'mount' shows it in use?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:39] <hggdh> charlie-tca: if you can yes, please. But I have to get ready for a barbecue at a friend's
[19:39] <charlie-tca> That's okay. It will take a while to install ubuntu anyway
[19:40] <hggdh> (free food is never refused)
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I get back to you later tonight or tomorrow
[19:40] <hggdh> charlie-tca: thank you. I will touch bases with you later, if you do not mind
[19:40] <hggdh> :-)
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Great
[19:44] <charlie-tca> devildante: there is no longer a simple way to use OO.o for bugday.
[19:54] <Tiibiidii> mhn
[19:54] <Tiibiidii> guys, i noticed one strange thing
[19:54] <penguin42> ?
[19:54] <Tiibiidii> i mean, almost all applications should work with the new unity indicator-appmenu, right?
[19:55] <Tiibiidii> that is, gtk & qt applications... while java and XUL applications for example are not covered and keep their menu bar inside the window
[19:55] <Tiibiidii> well... synaptic is written in gtk afaik, but still retains its internal menu
[19:55] <Tiibiidii> and doesn't export it to the upper panel
[19:55] <chrisccoulson> that's because it's running as root and doesn't have access to your users session bus
 that's because it's running as root and doesn't have access to your users session bus <-- duh, true... i read about that bug before but i forgot
[19:56] <Tiibiidii> i was looking into the bug about the appmenu and monodevelop
[19:56] <Tiibiidii> and was looking to see if there are similar cases
[19:57] <Tiibiidii> (tomboy, banshee and fspot work fine... and like monodevelop they should be using gtk#... so i'm quite puzzled)
[20:44] <devildante> charlie-tca: ahh... that sucks
[20:44]  * devildante will discuss later, he has to do homework :)
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, re-wrote the wiki page, it works now
[22:47] <devildante> charlie-tca, thanks :)
[22:48]  * devildante got approved by sabdfl in bug 622756
[22:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622756 in utouch-gesturetest "Set up testing data infrastructure (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622756
[22:48] <devildante> that made my day :p
[23:04] <devildante> bdmurray: ping
[23:20] <bcurtiswx_> hmm, looks like my internet at home went :)
[23:20] <bcurtiswx_> YAY!!
[23:43] <devildante> bdmurray: ping
[23:50] <bcurtiswx_> devildante, brian's usually gone on weekends
[23:50] <devildante> ah
[23:51] <devildante> So what's he doing here? :p
[23:51] <bcurtiswx_> devildante, just leave your request, and he'll see it when he gets back
[23:51] <devildante> 'kay :)
[23:51] <devildante> bdmurray: can I haz a nice graph for jaunty bugs? Thanks :)