=== cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === Guest10569 is now known as ryanakca [04:39] hi [05:03] :) [05:09] bye [11:04] v [11:04] 'kay :) [11:04] :p [11:06] :) [11:06] what is 'v'? [11:12] hi om26er [11:13] AbhiJit, hey there. [11:13] om26er, you got me memo? [11:13] my* [11:13] AbhiJit, no [11:13] :o [11:13] where? [11:13] om26er, type /msg memoserv read 0 [11:13] try tiwth 1 or 2 etc [11:14] AbhiJit, aha [11:14] AbhiJit, tell me the time you will be available tomorrow [11:15] om26er, tomorow morning? [11:15] AbhiJit, I will be up at 1PM atleast so after that ;) [11:16] oh no [11:16] i mean after 8 am onwards [11:16] ha [11:16] * om26er sleeps too much [11:16] ohhh [11:16] when you will come online tomorow? when you are free? [11:17] i am whole day online donig project work [11:17] om26er, ^^ [11:17] AbhiJit, I will be online after 1. if not here or on gtalk just email me and I will sign in [11:18] 1am is too early for me actually!!!! ok i wll mail you in morning! [11:19] cool [11:19] any pulseaudio expert here ? when I change a song pulse audio crashes :( [11:20] :P [11:26] when is the next bug day? [11:26] !bugday [11:26] Factoid 'bugday' not found [11:31] om26er: 30 september [11:36] thanks devildante [11:36] np [11:40] devildante, was your old nick evildante? [11:40] not at all, it was always devildante [11:41] that might be someone else then [11:41] yeah... [14:38] any ideas as to what I should do if I'm seeing the return of an old seriousish bug - bug 453678 [14:38] Launchpad bug 453678 in apt (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "udev initramfs hook ignores that udevadm is disabled, copies it anyway (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453678 [15:11] penguin42: you just experienced it on Maverick? [15:13] hggdh: Yes [15:14] hggdh: And I did a couple of weeks ago === emma is now known as mc44 === mc44 is now known as emma [15:15] hggdh: It'll be a mess if it affects normal users [15:25] hggdh: got a min for an evolution question..? :) [15:31] vish: evolving? like pokémons? :p [15:32] heh, i knew someone would poke that "evolve " ;p [15:33] vish: yes [15:33] devildante hggdh used to do evo triage [15:33] what?? [15:33] evo triage, what's that? [15:33] and the answer is yes, evolution is the best theory by far at the moment [15:34] I didn't understand a thing :p [15:34] :-) [15:34] devildante: I guess vish has an issue on Evolution he wants to talk about [15:35] * devildante lol'd hard :p [15:35] penguin42: do you have the logs for this issue on Maverick? If so, please update the bug, and (although a bit late) nominate to maverick [15:36] hggdh: I've hit the nominate, log wise there isn't much to show since it just leaves you in initramfs's prompt [15:37] and sometime in the last week flash sound has broken [15:37] ooh, worked now - hmm [15:38] erk; it's not using pulse [15:43] :-) [15:43] * penguin42 it's a bit worrying that breaking at freeze === maco2 is now known as maco [15:48] hmm bug 641056 [15:48] Launchpad bug 641056 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Loader chooses 64-bit instead of 32-bit library (affects: 6) (heat: 36)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641056 [16:51] heck, I hate it when I have two versions of a package - with one nasty bug in each [16:54] * penguin42 has one version of ia32-libs which plays sound in flash and another version where mesa works [16:54] what would you want 32bit mesa for? [16:54] devildante: Google earth [16:54] ah [17:31] Hi [17:31] HI killian :) [17:32] im using lanscape for monitoring and i i've found something strange :p [17:32] 46% memory used with landscape [17:33] but i've only 800M/8000 used [17:35] so it's not 46% but 10% no? [17:35] killian: yeah, you should report a bug [17:35] killian: with "ubuntu-bug landscape" [17:36] after searching if the bug has already been reported, of course ;) [17:36] of course :) [17:37] I think it has [17:49] bdmurray: ping [17:49] and hi charlie-tca :) [17:49] hi [17:49] charlie-tca: I solved that table problem [17:50] Great! [17:50] charlie-tca: I did it with a Python script :p [17:50] Python >>> OOO [17:51] really? [17:51] yep :p [18:01] bdmurray: ping? [18:04] So, we still don't know how to do it in OO.o? [18:04] no :p [18:04] bilalakhtar, please stop connecting and disconnecting :p [18:04] devildante: yup, I apologised for it on most channels [18:05] no problem :) [18:05] actually, I was writing an irssi script, so was testing it, to avoid the autojoin I wanted to use the -! flag which wasn't working due to an irssi bug [18:05] devildante: ^^ [18:07] I will try to put together a good way to use OO.o to do the bugs, and put it on the wiki [18:07] charlie-tca: that would be great :) [18:08] Right now, though, I am testing Xubuntu - installed using the maverick desktop image on a 400MHz cpu with 384MB ram [18:08] that should be enough, I guess... or not? :p [18:09] It is a little slow, but the installation worked [18:09] charlie-tca: The fact the install worked for 384MB is reassuring [18:09] My thought too [18:09] as far as I know, 256 is enough for even installing Ubuntu [18:09] I have something like 4MB video card in it [18:09] * penguin42 wouldn't bet on 256 working these days [18:10] Nope, devildante [18:10] It won't work for Ubuntu [18:10] The desktop cd requires more than that [18:11] "You will need at least 256MB of RAM to install from this CD" [18:11] That is my goal for tomorrow. Test with 256MB using both desktop images [18:11] I was talking only about the installation [18:11] The Ubuntu cd won't work, as far as I recall. It failed for 10.04, at least [18:11] ah... [18:12] So that notice is outdated :p [18:12] yup [18:13] this is a bottom end system. old stb 4mb video, 400MHz cpu, vary the ram from 256 to 384 [18:14] * devildante sees bcurtiswx and bcurtiswx_ [18:14] with _ is me on my laptop [18:14] the non _ is my always-on desktop [18:14] argh, I forgot :p [18:37] chrisccoulson: The GDK_NATIVE_WINDOW fix for flash plugin clicks is interesting; it's great if it works, but I'm suspicious since the bug is so old it's way before client side windows went in [18:37] anyone with a system with floppy disks? [18:37] yes [18:38] hggdh: I do have a hardware system with a floppy drive, and I have blank disks [18:38] charlie-tca: on Lucid/Maverick, do you get longer waits when booting with this system? [18:39] and -- can you actually mount a floppy? [18:39] waits are not longer that I have noticed. [18:39] there is a thread on the ubuntu-users ML where people are complaining about it -- and, unfortunately, mostly dissing Ubuntu [18:39] I haven't tried to mount a floppy in maverick [18:40] lucid required manually mounting them [18:40] * hggdh has not used/seen/had a floppy for the last 8 years [18:40] yes. manual mount is OK [18:41] hggdh: I'm having longer boot times on Maverick - I've got a ~30second pause from somewhere [18:41] penguin42: bingo! [18:41] Tell them unplug the cable if it is slow. If the floppy drive dies, it really slows the system down [18:41] penguin42, really? [18:41] bdmurray: ping [18:41] hggdh: But no floppy drive [18:41] hggdh, I had to disable the floppy drive because 10.10 livecd didnt boot. There is a bug report about it and the longer boot time [18:41] the bug was reported in 08/2009 [18:41] chrisccoulson: Look at the dupes [18:41] penguin42: but you have a system with a floppy controller and it is enabled on BIOS, right? [18:41] chrisccoulson: People have been getting no-clicks-in-flash for many many years [18:41] client side windows was introduced in gtk 2.18, in the karmic cycle [18:42] penguin42, all reported after csw with the exception of a single report [18:42] chrisccoulson: Hmm, it feels longer [18:42] hggdh: Well that's a good question, I've not checked the bios [18:43] hggdh: There aren't any floppy/fd messages in dmesg [18:43] jibel: yes indeed -- but the bug was closed fixreleased with an update to udisk, I think [18:43] in fact, even on the single report that is older than csw, most comments happened after it landed [18:44] chrisccoulson: I was thinking of bug 108733 that I filed [18:44] Launchpad bug 108733 in nspluginwrapper (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "flash losing clicks with desktop effects enabled (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108733 [18:45] chrisccoulson: It may well have been a separate underlying cause [18:45] yes, it's unrelated [18:45] chrisccoulson: Ah ok; just sneazing in the direction of flash upsets it I think [18:46] Part of the slowdown is when the floppy seek on boot is set in bios [18:46] yes, and this is outside our control; the only way would be to disable floppy on BIOS [18:47] hggdh: I could check the bios to see if floppy is enabled, but I doubt it - all I can see in the bootchart is lvm sitting there for ~30 seconds [18:47] Some of the older bios setups allow you to turn off "check floppy drive for disks on startup" [18:47] of something similar to that [18:47] hggdh: My hang is bug 625395 [18:47] Launchpad bug 625395 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] ~30s boot pause (affects: 1) (heat: 119)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625395 [18:48] If they leave that turned on without a floppy in the drive, it does make the boot a lot longer [18:49] penguin42: so you are not affected by floopy on boot. Good. Can you try to mount a floppy? [18:49] after logging in [18:49] hggdh: Not on this machine - it doesn't have a floppy drive [18:49] ho [18:49] :-) [18:50] the only machines I have that do are my P90 and some of my dads machines, and I'm not going to attack my dads machines until it's stable [18:51] and some how I don't think the P90 would be much use for Ubuntu [18:52] I agree, of course. Not worth risking your dad's machines :-) [18:52] actually that's going to be a painful move, he's still running KDE 3.5 in 8.4 which needs forcibly fixing [18:56] bah. Forget, the tone of the thread just made me not willing to work on it anymore -- otherwise I will be one more 'unqualified people' working on it. [18:56] sorry for that, hggdh :( [18:56] their choice, devildante. [18:57] :) [18:57] hggdh: Ooh, kvm/qemu will do floppy drive emulation :-) [18:57] oh, I forgot about that one :p [19:00] I will try it under KVM. Later, when I cool down a bit. Don't really like the tone. [19:00] penguin42: thanks for the reminder [19:00] sigh, unfortunately it hits an apparmor problem if you connect it [19:00] hggdh: Care to send me a link to the thread? [19:01] if you want, of course :) [19:02] hggdh, with or without floppy drive enabled, the boot time is the same ~47s. I have no floppy in the drive. [19:03] hggdh, please don't ask me to find a floppy :-) [19:04] * penguin42 throws jibel a floppy [19:04] * devildante intercepts it [19:05] and I break it, along with all your hopes :p [19:05] what floppy, the true floppy, or the small things they kept the floppy disk name with? [19:05] * bcurtiswx_ remembers true floppy disks [19:06] 3.5 inch, I think [19:06] booo :P [19:06] bcurtiswx_: true floppies. the 3 1/2, 5 1/4, 9, and 11 inches [19:06] although, I do have a 5.25 floppy drive, too [19:06] bcurtiswx_: I have got a few boxes of 8" ones, but I gave my machine that could use those to a museum a few months back [19:07] museum... really? [19:07] quite an honor i guess... [19:07] yeh [19:07] bcurtiswx_: Only a local science/industry museum [19:07] wow is kubuntu10.10 a good beta its got less problems than the LTS lol [19:07] still, people will be looking (and awwing/ahhing) over _your_ computer [19:08] afaik anyway [19:09] what up with the k menu entry for proprietary ati driver, the amdcccle (administrative) doesnt do anything :( [19:10] bcurtiswx_: http://picasaweb.google.com/treblig.org/Perq# [19:11] anyway, bug 647664 is kvm/qemu not being able to start up with a floppy image attached [19:11] Launchpad bug 647664 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "Unhelpful Security labelling error with read-only floppy image (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647664 [19:11] but after you install the ubuntu-desktop it does something, it like the ati driver when installed with jockey needs some extra gtk libraries installed too [19:11] penguin42, beautiful computer, even needed a belt.. wow [19:12] cjae: there was a problem with the ATI proprietary driver on Maverick; I do not know how it is now, don't use it anymore (since Karmic) [19:13] and ATI's maintenance record is, ah, poor [19:13] this happens in .04 and .10, without the ubuntu-desktop installed, one can always use kdesudo amdcccle but that is not for average user [19:13] * penguin42 hugs the open driver [19:14] hggdh: I'd agree there is a pause in the boot with the floppy connected in kvm/qemu (use a file in your home dir, not a shared one) [19:14] * penguin42 goes to get dinner [19:14] me too but it does not detect my tv resolution correctly [19:14] so I am forced to use the prop [19:15] cjae: is there a bug opened on it? Has it been upstreamed? [19:16] hggdh: I know very little about bug reporting, I did post one though [19:16] cjae: bug #, please [19:16] one sec [19:18] launchpad slow [19:23] hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/637808 [19:23] Ubuntu bug 637808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "only using properitary ati driver can plasma (panasonic plasma) via hdmi be used (affects: 1) (heat: 487)" [Undecided,New] [19:23] Okay, I have fresh install here on a hardware system with a floppy drive [19:24] Now, what do you need me to do? [19:24] um, it is Xubuntu [19:25] charlie-tca: still good to try; complain in on Gnome, but we can, at least, check [19:25] charlie-tca: after logging in, try to mount a floppy, and see if you have access, please [19:25] Okay [19:26] also in maverick there a is another bug from 10.04, that is similiar to this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/637825 [19:26] Ubuntu bug 637825 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "kdm scrammbles screen on kde 4.5 logout kubuntu 10.04 (affects: 1) (heat: 426)" [Undecided,New] [19:26] cjae: the bug was opened with apport -- this is good. Now we have to wait for the X folks to get there... [19:26] when you click logout it just goes to a black screen [19:28] bye [19:28] not sure about the tty part of the bug in maverick and I cannot test it since the machine is working on things right now [19:28] hggdh: ok [19:30] hmm, double clicking the floppy drive makes it show the cursor spinning, spinning, spinning... [19:30] charlie-tca: good! (er, actually bad). So the bug is there even with Xubuntu [19:30] Error: Unable to mount "Floppy Drive": mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified [19:31] uh, i noticed now that a bug i confirmed, has been reported a month later than a duplicate [19:31] this duplicate is still "new", but it's earlier and it got 3 people affected [19:31] should i flag the late bug as a duplicate? [19:32] flag the bug you confirmed as duplicate [19:32] Which one has the best information? [19:32] hggdh: anything else? [19:32]

Which one has the best information? <-- i think the one i confirmed, but i just copypaste what's missing on the other side [19:33] nope [19:33] Can you give us the bug numbers, please? :) [19:33] If the one you confirmed has the info, leave it as the master [19:35] hggdh: That floppy disk was apparently unformatted. I put one in containing dos printer drivers, and it mounted immediately [19:35] charlie-tca: can you check on /etc/fstab if there is a /dev/fd0 entry? if so, can you comment it out and try again? [19:35] oh [19:35] charlie-tca: so no problems on Xubuntu [19:35] All I had to do was double-click the drive on my desktop [19:35]

If the one you confirmed has the info, leave it as the master <-- mhn, actually, it has more comments, but not any relevant info that the other doesn't have :P now i've already put the other as the master however [19:37] hggdh: gets worse. I can now mount any floppy by double-clicking [19:37] heh [19:38] oh my, it's a serious bug if it's working for you :p [19:38] yes, there is an /etc/fstab entry for the floppy drive [19:38] Now you gonna want to test this in Ubuntu, huh? [19:38] charlie-tca: and 'mount' shows it in use? [19:39] nope [19:39] charlie-tca: if you can yes, please. But I have to get ready for a barbecue at a friend's [19:39] That's okay. It will take a while to install ubuntu anyway [19:40] (free food is never refused) [19:40] I get back to you later tonight or tomorrow [19:40] charlie-tca: thank you. I will touch bases with you later, if you do not mind [19:40] :-) [19:40] Great [19:44] devildante: there is no longer a simple way to use OO.o for bugday. [19:54] mhn [19:54] guys, i noticed one strange thing [19:54] ? [19:54] i mean, almost all applications should work with the new unity indicator-appmenu, right? [19:55] that is, gtk & qt applications... while java and XUL applications for example are not covered and keep their menu bar inside the window [19:55] well... synaptic is written in gtk afaik, but still retains its internal menu [19:55] and doesn't export it to the upper panel [19:55] that's because it's running as root and doesn't have access to your users session bus [19:56] that's because it's running as root and doesn't have access to your users session bus <-- duh, true... i read about that bug before but i forgot [19:56] i was looking into the bug about the appmenu and monodevelop [19:56] and was looking to see if there are similar cases [19:57] (tomboy, banshee and fspot work fine... and like monodevelop they should be using gtk#... so i'm quite puzzled) [20:44] charlie-tca: ahh... that sucks [20:44] * devildante will discuss later, he has to do homework :) [21:18] Okay, re-wrote the wiki page, it works now [22:47] charlie-tca, thanks :) [22:48] * devildante got approved by sabdfl in bug 622756 [22:48] Launchpad bug 622756 in utouch-gesturetest "Set up testing data infrastructure (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622756 [22:48] that made my day :p === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:04] bdmurray: ping [23:20] hmm, looks like my internet at home went :) [23:20] YAY!! [23:43] bdmurray: ping [23:50] devildante, brian's usually gone on weekends [23:50] ah [23:51] So what's he doing here? :p [23:51] devildante, just leave your request, and he'll see it when he gets back [23:51] 'kay :) [23:51] bdmurray: can I haz a nice graph for jaunty bugs? Thanks :)