[03:35]  * nigelb waves
[03:36] <Pendulum> hi nigelb
[03:37] <nigelb> heya Pendulum :)
[03:42]  * duanedesign waves at nigelb 
[03:42] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh, have you no sleep? :p
[03:45] <duanedesign> nigelb: just about to saw somw logs :)
[03:45] <duanedesign> s/somw/some
[03:48]  * nigelb goes to look for jussi's wedding stream
[03:51] <maco> what time?
[03:52] <maco> nvm. Pendulum says 1pm jussi-time = 7am maco&pen time
[03:52] <nigelb> its evening for me I think
[03:53] <nigelb> jussi is at UTC+1:00?
[03:53] <Pendulum> nigelb:  UTC+2:00
[03:54] <nigelb> ok, 1530 or 1430 for me.  Unsusre
[03:55] <maco> 8 hours from now
[03:55] <maco> (well 8 hours & 5 minutes)
[03:56] <nigelb> ok, thats 1630 :)
[03:56] <nigelb> tea time! I can just grab somwthing to eat and watch it :D
[05:03] <nhandler> AlanBell: Any bugs that you are up for fixing in lernid would definitely be appreciated
[05:09] <nigelb> you know you've been spending too much time on ubuntu websites when you type flickr.ubuntu.com
[06:04] <czajkowski> morning
[06:05] <nigelb> mornin laura :)
[06:06] <pleia2> nigelb: haha
[06:06] <nigelb> pleia2: :)
[06:07] <nigelb> pleia2: I mean,we even have maps.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <pleia2> I didn't know about that one
[06:08] <pleia2> actually I did but I forgot
[06:08] <czajkowski> nigelb: ello ello
[06:09] <nigelb> czajkowski: had a good trip yesterday? :)
[06:09] <czajkowski> yup
[06:09] <czajkowski> day 11
[06:09] <czajkowski> now
[06:09] <nigelb> day 11 of?
[06:10] <czajkowski> sorry 2
[06:10] <czajkowski> lordie i may need more sleep
[06:10] <czajkowski> oh well
[06:11] <nigelb> heh
[06:11] <czajkowski> my conference
[06:11] <nigelb> aaah :)
[06:11] <czajkowski> popey daviey adn tony are on their way over
[06:11] <nigelb> the one with msft
[06:11] <nigelb> oh wait, barcamp
[06:12] <czajkowski> yes
 pleia2: I mean,we even have maps.ubuntu.com  <--- we do? *goes to look*
[06:13] <nigelb> maco: beee around for some time
[06:13] <vish> maco: been there for a while now..
[06:13] <nigelb> *been
[06:13] <nigelb> 1630 today should be fun :)
[06:13] <vish> i guess more than a month or two..
[06:14] <nigelb> after kim0 joined
[06:14] <czajkowski> nigelb: follow @ossbarcamp or #ossbc
[06:20] <nigelb> ohhh,new twitter is nice!
[06:40] <jussi> 4.5 hours from now for all of you wondering what time the wedding is
[06:40] <jussi> laters
[06:40] <maco> jussi: good morning :) happy wedding day!
[06:40] <czajkowski> jussi: best of luck
[06:40] <jussi> gulp. Thanks!!!
[06:46] <nigelb> jussi: omg
[06:46] <nigelb> jussi: you geek! go get married
[06:48] <czajkowski> hmm time for some nikita
[07:08] <czajkowski> oops
[07:09] <nigelb> poor popey
[07:09] <nigelb> "Spoke too soon. Our plane is broken. On stand whilst they get an engineer. Balls."
[07:15] <czajkowski> adlo
[07:36] <AlanBell> good luck jussi! have a great day
[08:04] <AlanBell> nigelb: just seen the comonwealth games site photos on the BBC, it does indeed look a bit of a mess /o\
[08:04] <nigelb> AlanBell: HUGE Mess.  They're going to pay for this crap
[08:05] <nigelb> India has been put to fun now.
[08:06] <AlanBell> London will struggle to be ready for the Olympics, but I think they will keep throwing money at it and make it happen
[08:08] <nigelb> AlanBell: Its not the lack of money.  Its the amount of money that went to the pockets of the people involved that's make us ashamed
[08:08] <nigelb> at least that's one statistic we'll always top up
[08:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: for example, threadmills were "rented" for 40 days at more than it would cost for buying them from Harrods
[08:53] <vish> AlanBell: Indians tend/like to be fashionably late ;)
[11:02] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:05] <duanedesign> nigelb: vish i had to unsticky the Cleansweep and Papercut threads on the Forum. The papercut had almost 3,000 views and the Cleansweep 2,000
[11:07] <vish> duanedesign: cool, thanks.. but why unsticky?  just wondering.. ;)
[11:08] <duanedesign> vish: had to make room for new Stickies
[11:08] <vish> ah!
[11:09] <duanedesign> i think Open Week volunteer thread prompted the discussion
[11:10] <duanedesign> vish: we can do another one after awhile if you want. Maybe we can do one in Development and Programming asking for bug fixers
[11:13] <vish> duanedesign: yea, we can look into it later
[11:14]  * vish just discovered that nautilus backgrounds can do gradients!
[11:17] <duanedesign> vish: that reminds me. i had a project i started a long time ago. It was on an abandoned project called Weather Wallpaper. Displayed different wallpaper depending on the weather
[11:17] <duanedesign> ...i should finish that
[11:19] <vish> duanedesign: thats an interesting idea..!
[11:21] <vish> duanedesign: heh, this nautilus backgrounds thing i just noticed by accident!
[11:21] <vish> i was dropping different colors and suddenly noticed a gradient!
[11:22] <vish> it seems that if we drop the color either at the top/bottom or left/right it forms a gradient..
[11:22]  * duanedesign goes to look :)
[13:41] <akgraner> AlanBell, do you have the URL to your slides and I'll add them to the Calendar
[14:26] <nigelb> maco2: PING
[14:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: I suspect she is asleep
[14:28] <nigelb> Pendulum: I suspect so too, but this for her to reply back later
[14:30] <nhandler> akgraner: Can you send me a list of sessions that have slides along with their URLs? I am trying to maintain an archive of all classroom slides
[14:30] <nhandler> nigelb: It also helps if you provide some context in your 'ping' so she can reply even if you are away
[14:30] <nigelb> nhandler: that's already there in PM :)
[14:31] <nhandler> :)
[14:31]  * vish wonders why wouldnt "that pm" ping someone ;p
[14:32] <akgraner> nhandler, I don't have any as of right now
[16:07] <nigelb> lol http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_72
[16:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: ibuclaw just posted that in #ubuntu-beginners :)
[16:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh, I picked it off his fb wall :p
[16:22] <nigelb> also lol http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_67
[16:35]  * nigelb waves to crabbytag :P
[16:42] <AlanBell> akgraner: when I write the slides you will be the first to get the URL
[16:43] <paultag> nigelb, heyya buddy
[16:43] <nigelb> paultag: hey there!
[16:43] <paultag> nigelb, how goes?
[16:45] <nigelb> paultag: oh, not bad.  Was a boring day.  Brightened up thank to FB :P
[16:45] <paultag> nigelb, :)
[16:48] <AlanBell> nigelb !!
[16:48] <nigelb> AlanBell: haha
[16:49] <AlanBell> just checked my facebook you nutter
[16:49] <nigelb> haha, I thouught so
[16:49] <nigelb> paultag: haha, good one :p
[16:49] <paultag> nigelb, as always, I need to keep it classy
[16:49] <nigelb> AlanBell: Now that I think of it, I should have done this after UDS, more LOLs definitely
[16:50] <paultag> nigelb, maco, For some reason, even though my religion is Pastafarianism I get "MEET HOT CHRISTIAN SINGLES IN YOUR AREA!" on facebook. It's real lame.
[16:50] <nigelb> paultag: HAHAHAHA
[16:51] <maco> hahaha
[16:51] <paultag> You'd think there would be some kind of constraint
[16:51] <paultag> Ooop, now it "Mafia Wars" "Hunting Survival Straps" and "Meet your fantasy girl"
[16:51] <paultag> This is why I love adblock
[16:51]  * maco went through and marked every weight loss ad that came up as "offensive"
[16:52] <paultag> "Meet cute, hot, and pretty girls online now! Find your dream girl - meet her LIVE in video chat. Click here!"
[16:52] <paultag> maco, did it work?
[16:52] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:52] <maco> yes, now it just gives me free software ads :)
[16:52] <nigelb> maco: heh, meet hot free software developers in your area? :p
[16:52] <paultag> nigelb, I don't think I'll be meeting my wife over a webcam dating service. thanks but no thanks
[16:52] <paultag> nigelb, ahahahahaha
[16:52] <paultag> I want that ad, please
[16:52] <nigelb> paultag: hahah
[16:53] <maco> the weight loss ads for women are not like "if you want to..." they're like "YOURE FAT! LOSE WEIGHT NOW"
[16:53] <nigelb> haha
[16:53] <paultag> maco, but don't you know! this is America! If you don't look like barbie then you're not acceptable!
[16:53] <paultag> maco, let's not even care that a person of that size would not be able to walk, it's pretty!
[16:53] <maco> paultag: in that case, i need a rack to stretch me to her height, not to lose weight :P
[16:53] <paultag> hahaha
[16:54] <maco> also, to have my feet surgically altered to only fit high heels
[16:54] <nigelb> wait, barbie is fat?
[16:54] <maco> nigelb: no, she's over 7 feet tall
[16:54] <paultag> +1
[16:54] <nigelb> 4 feet coming from the heels? :p
[16:54] <paultag> She'd have like a D bra as well
[16:54] <Pendulum> maco: you'd also have to get used to crawling on all fours, correct?
[16:54] <maco> Pendulum: paultag already mentioned the impossibility of standing at those dimensions
[16:55] <Pendulum> ah, missed that :-/
[16:55] <paultag> I think last time it was worked out, her waist size was so small it would cause huge issues with walking
[16:55] <nigelb> paultag: oh lol http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_21
[16:55] <Pendulum> paultag: D is a lot smaller than Barbie
[16:55] <maco> paultag: eh, D bras are more common than people think... well... at least when ya wear the right size
[16:55] <nigelb> maco: but a barbie matching waist to go with it most probably aint that common (impossible?)
[16:55] <paultag> Pendulum, maco, I have not the first clue about lady's undergarments. All I have for knowledge are the details of the ex-ms. paultags
[16:55] <maco> paultag: mmm maybe if she had a corset on she could walk?
[16:56] <paultag> maco, mmm! interesting
[16:56] <paultag> maco, or a metal back-brace
[16:56] <maco> thats basically what a corset is
[16:56] <paultag> nigelb, haha
[16:56] <maco> *good* corsets have spring steel boning
[16:56] <paultag> mmm
[16:56] <nigelb> paultag: Its al of us :)
[16:56] <AlanBell> http://www.wikihow.com/Look-Like-a-Barbie-Doll
[16:56] <paultag> maco, I always think of them in terms of trying to make one skinnier
[16:57] <maco> paultag: yes the difference between a basque and a corset is in what it does to the waist, but a good corset also does things to your posture because it has metal bars
[16:57] <paultag> maco, ahha
[16:57] <paultag> TIL :)
[16:57] <maco> and i keep saying "good" because cheap modern corsets have plastic boning
[16:58] <maco> good corsets are in the $300 range
[16:58] <paultag> AlanBell, haha, that's great
[16:58] <nigelb> how the heck does women put themselves through that torture?
[16:58] <maco> (on the low end)
[16:58] <paultag> maco, I thought some of them had bone, I think
[16:58] <AlanBell> whale bone traditionally
[16:58] <maco> paultag: thats not really legal now...
[16:58] <paultag> Ah, right
[16:59] <AlanBell> I believe a small number of whales may be caught each year for sartorial research though
[16:59] <maco> well and a large number in japan for a "delicacy"
[17:00] <maco> but the exact species that was commonly used for corsets & cosmetics is now endangered, iirc
[17:00] <nigelb> so, how did we get to whales? :p
[17:00] <AlanBell> and where are we going next?
[17:00] <maco> nigelb: corsets used to be made of whale
[17:01] <AlanBell> where would you like to go today?
[17:01] <nigelb> bed
[17:01] <nigelb> its 9:30 and I'm sleepy
[17:01] <maco> i think my reference to whaling in japan could lead us to shark fin soup in china...
[17:01] <AlanBell> maco: you are making me hungry now
[17:02] <maco> im hungry but im not finding that appetising at all
[17:02] <nigelb> I'm craving for beef roast
[17:03] <AlanBell> fish and chips for me in a sec
[17:03] <nigelb> yay, chicken fried rice and lassi ordered :)
[17:04] <nigelb> AlanBell: chips = fish fingers?
[17:04] <AlanBell> gosh no
[17:04] <nigelb> err, fish
[17:04] <nigelb> chips is french fries
[17:04] <AlanBell> chips are potatos
[17:04] <AlanBell> yes, but not french
[17:04] <nigelb> err, done differently?
[17:04] <AlanBell> bigger
[17:05] <nigelb> fish and chips gavve me distinct image of fish fingers and potato chips with mayonaise
[17:05] <AlanBell> http://www.harrysplace.com/wp-content/gallery/fishchipsgallery/fish_and_chips.jpg
[17:05] <nigelb> AlanBell: ah yes
[17:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh, used to have them when I was a kid :)
[17:06]  * nigelb had access to an English bar's food (only the food) when growing up ;)
[17:07] <duanedesign> AlanBell: Have you had a chance to test U1 today
[17:07] <maco> during debconf, someone found a vegan restaurant that served vegan fish & chips
[17:07] <AlanBell> duanedesign: yup, works great on the edge server
[17:08] <maco> a welshman and an englishman were among the group that went to try it out
[17:08] <nigelb> maco: vegan fish?
[17:08] <duanedesign> are chips served with mayo?
[17:08] <nigelb> how does that work
[17:08] <AlanBell> fix should hit the production servers on tuesday
[17:08] <nigelb> duanedesign: I would assume so
[17:08] <maco> nigelb: probably soy, i guess... dunno... texture was right though
[17:08] <AlanBell> duanedesign: tomato ketchup normally, mayo is a continental thing
[17:08] <duanedesign> AlanBell: ok great. Looked like you found a bug that needed squashing
[17:08] <maco> oh right...british ketchup....ick
[17:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh, when I had it as a kid, they had something they called tortoise sause (made of mayo)
[17:09] <duanedesign> that sounds interesting
[17:10] <nigelb> maco: sounds interesting
[17:11] <AlanBell> Heinz ketchup, plus salt and vinegar on the chips
[17:11]  * AlanBell goes to get them now
[17:12] <duanedesign> AlanBell: does sound good
[17:12] <maco> AlanBell: heinz has a different recipe that it sells to the uk i think
[17:12] <maco> i remember thinking the ketchup there was nasty the first time i visted...tasted too much like vinegar. i told that to the two brits who went to the vegan fish & chips place during debconf, and they agreed that our ketchup is different from yours... ours is sweet
[17:20]  * duanedesign can not figure out why his .desktop file works in Lucid and not Maverick.
[17:41] <doctormo> maco: And what is odd is that it's the opposite with chocolate. I find most American food to be oily and salty. while british food tends to be buttery. There is a weird difference in sweet things though that makes American chocolate taste foul to me.
[17:42] <Pendulum> doctormo: possibly the fact that most American "chocolate" isn't really chocolate?
[17:42] <doctormo> Pendulum: It's a kind of cheese, I know.
[17:44]  * nigelb blinks
[17:45] <nigelb> chocolate is cheese?
[17:50] <duanedesign> isn't that a Ween album 'Choclate  and Cheese' :P
[17:51] <duanedesign> doctormo: I used to work with a British expatriate and he used to refuse to eat cocolate made in north America
[17:58] <AlanBell> that was yummy
[17:58] <AlanBell> nigelb: we had chips with curry sauce, which I fear you would not recognise as such!
[17:59] <duanedesign> brb, going to set up shop at the local coffe house patio to enjoy the cooler temps we are haveing today...
[18:00] <doctormo> nigelb: American chocolate it was joked, would be classed as cheese by the EU food regulations.
[18:05] <paultag> hahahahahaha
[18:41] <matti> Eh.
[18:59] <maco> doctormo: i told Riddell i was eating Fry's Peppermint Creams as my "make maco feel better" food, and he said something about it being the last remaining Quaker chocolate
[18:59] <maco> (sladen explained that Nestle bought Rowntree, and I knew Kraft got Cadbury)
[19:00]  * maco <3 the british candy shop down the street
[19:01] <maco> (for any non-dairy folks who miss York Peppermint Patties:  Fry's Peppermint Creams are a great non-dairy replacement)
[19:10] <nigelb> ok, that was delicious lassi :)
[19:11] <nigelb> doctormo: lol
[19:11] <nigelb> AlanBell: you're evil! :p
[19:12] <nigelb> maco: quaker choclate? how?
[19:13] <maco> nigelb: England has a national religion, so people who weren't that religion weren't allowed to go to English universities a few hundred years ago.  non-anglicans therefore tended toward business instead of academia
[19:14] <nigelb> ohhhh, ok
[19:15] <maco> nigelb: http://www.jhsteel.clara.net/industry.html
[19:17] <nigelb> maco: that was interesting read :0
[19:17] <nigelb> :)
[19:54] <duanedesign> AlanBell: ping
[19:54] <AlanBell> o/
[19:54] <duanedesign> AlanBell: good day
[19:55] <duanedesign> AlanBell: what was the name of consultancy busineess you are affiliated with?
[19:55] <AlanBell> at the moment http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com
[19:55] <duanedesign> thats it
[19:56] <AlanBell> are you in need of our valuable services or something?
[19:56] <duanedesign> AlanBell: i was looking to do something similar in my area.
[19:56] <AlanBell> ah, ok :)
[19:56] <duanedesign> i remember reading some informative stuff on the OLC site
[19:57] <AlanBell> that would be great, the more people doing real business that identify as an open source business the better
[19:58] <AlanBell> must poke Gerry about the partner mailing list and such
[19:58] <duanedesign> AlanBell: I think(hope) that businesses are starting to realize the value, and benefits of runnin open sourse
[19:58] <AlanBell> they are
[19:58] <nigelb> yes indeed
[19:59] <AlanBell> but you can still stand up in front of a room full of people and talk for an hour about how you support businesses running open source, then get a question at the end saying "well this free stuff is all very well, but there is no support for it"
[19:59] <nigelb> our work uses ubuntu workstations and uses a jabber server for communication
[20:01] <doctormo> pleia2, Pendulum: according to facebook, you two will have consecutive birthdays.
[20:01] <duanedesign> I am very interested in trying to educate local businesses on the benefits of open source
[20:01] <doctormo> duanedesign: Free and Open Source
[20:01] <duanedesign> :)
[20:01] <Pendulum> doctormo: this is correct, we do have consecutive birthdays
[20:01] <duanedesign> your right I am just lazy. FOSS, there we go
[20:02] <duanedesign> AlanBell: lol, that link is on your wiki. Sorry bout that, I just didnt scroll up all the way :P
[20:03] <nigelb> Pendulum, pleia2: oh, yay
[20:03] <nigelb> doctormo: we should arrange a cake at uds for akgraner
[20:04] <AlanBell> doctormo: yup, I tell businesses about Software Freedom, lots of presentations have started with a run though of the four freedoms
[20:04] <doctormo> nigelb: It was a pity UDS wasn't a week later or it would have been my cake.
[20:05] <nigelb> doctormo: we can still celebrate!!
[20:05] <doctormo> AlanBell: Which four?
[20:06] <AlanBell> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[20:06] <duanedesign> doctormo: yes two weeks later and it would be my cake too
[20:06] <doctormo> AlanBell: Yes that's 5, I'm just curious though because the fsf has never fixed that.
[20:06] <AlanBell> use, study, redistribute, modify
[20:07] <AlanBell> 0,1,2,3
[20:07] <AlanBell> four in total, with loopy zero based numbering
[20:07] <doctormo> AlanBell: use, study, modify, redistribute and redistribute modifications. re-read that text, it's not exactly concise.
[20:08] <duanedesign> i like 'put an end to word attachments' on gnu.org.  I use some of those canned responses
[20:08] <doctormo> study and modify were lumped together, rather disagreeably so.
[20:08] <nigelb> ok, bed time
[20:08] <nigelb> catch y'all later.  Today was fun day :)
[20:09] <doctormo> nigelb: ni-night my friend.
[20:09] <duanedesign> cya nigelb
[20:09] <nigelb> bye doctormo, duanedesign, AlanBell & Pendulum :)
[20:10] <AlanBell> doctormo: fair enough, and we usually talk about the freedom to improve it, we don't nit pick the original wording
[20:10] <duanedesign> the C++ and python classes went well today
[20:10] <doctormo> AlanBell: Yes but you can't go around calling them the four freedoms if there are 16 of them.
[20:11] <AlanBell> in the world of marketing you can get away with calling pretty much anything whatever you like
[20:12] <doctormo> AlanBell: Sure, but Use, Modify, Study and Redistribute are the classics and it's good you picked them out of the original FSF wording.
[22:08] <akgraner> paultag you around?
[22:08] <paultag> akgraner, yes ma'am!
[22:09] <akgraner> :-P
[22:32] <duanedesign> hey paultag, if you get a chance could you check out the next release of CLI Companion. I am hoping to get it up tomorrow. http://bit.ly/d096uW
[22:32] <paultag> yeah duanedesign, I'll do it after I get home from this game
[22:32] <paultag> duanedesign, poke me in 4 hours or so
[22:32] <duanedesign> thank you
[23:01] <doctormo> hey paultag, want to see something awesome
[23:19] <doctormo> Still in it's wrapper: http://doctormo.org/2010/09/25/five-year-ago-in-ubuntu/
[23:47] <duanedesign> doctormo: nice