[00:23] <MattTheComputerG> how do i start the xubuntu gui, what is the command? i just installed and now i want to run it
[00:23] <Sysi> use the login manager?
[00:24] <Sysi> (sudo service gdm start)
[00:28] <David-A> MattTheComputerG: normally you get a GUI when starting the computer. sometimes in my Eee i don't, then i type command startx
[00:31] <MattTheComputerG> oh i have to restart after install?
[00:44] <David-A> MattTheComputerG: install runned in a live-cd or live-usb didnt it? it was a gui wasnt it? restart to boot into new system.
[00:45] <MattTheComputerG> it installed in some sort of bios looking interace
[00:46] <David-A> MattTheComputerG: sounds like you used the "alternate" install cd, but it should be the same in the end. If it was a "server" cd, you may not have a gui.
[00:46] <MattTheComputerG> it is Ubuntu server, FRESH install NEVER USED. i did the commands to install Xubuntu gui and i see no gui afterwards just the terminal interface i restarted same thing
[00:49] <David-A> MattTheComputerG: how did you install Xubuntu in ubuntu server? package xubuntu-desktop?
[00:49] <MattTheComputerG> 2 sec\
[00:50] <MattTheComputerG> aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[00:50] <MattTheComputerG> thats what i read on the net
[00:51] <David-A> David-A: that should install everything including gdm.
[00:52] <David-A> sorry, talking to myself again
[00:52] <MattTheComputerG> yes i dose it seems to install fine, but after that no gui starts and not gui starts after a restart
[00:54] <David-A> MattTheComputerG: did sysi's command 30 minutes up this chat help?
[00:54] <MattTheComputerG> what was it again
[00:55] <MattTheComputerG> sudo service gdm start, it says the service dose not exist
[00:59] <David-A> i dont know what it is then. will "startx" start the gui when loggen in as normal user?
[01:06] <zymus> Can someone help me with a wireless problem? I just recently installed Xubuntu, after removing Ubuntu(I wanted something more light weight) and now my wireless doesn't work. It worked perfectly fine in Ubuntu. I am able to connect to my home router, but the nm-applet says that there is 0% signal from the router. Logically it doesn't make sense to me to be able to connect tos omething with no signal. Any ideas?
[01:07] <zymus> The ath5k and ath9k modules are not black listed anywhere
[01:11] <zymus> anyone?
[01:11] <Sysi> you say it doesn't work but you can connect?
[01:12] <zymus> yes, i know it sounds strange. It says that i'm connected to 0swa1dnet(my router name), but when i hover over the applet, it says 0% signal
[01:12] <Sysi> what's the problem if it works?
[01:12] <zymus> "0swa1dnet active: 0swa1dnet (0%)"
[01:12] <Sysi> i mean if you can use it
[01:13] <zymus> the problem is, even though it says i'm connected, there's not interenet
[01:13] <zymus> no internet*
[01:13] <zymus> and I'm able to connect wirelessly through the computer i'm using right now with Ubuntu
[01:13] <MattTheComputerG> Im back, i enter startx it says is not installed  and to type "sudo apt-get install xinit" i do that but it says it cannot find the package
[01:14] <zymus> MattTheComputerG, "sudo apt-get install xorg"
[01:17] <MattTheComputerG> it says it cant find tha package
[01:17] <David-A> xubuntu-desktop should have dragged in xorg and xinit. maybe it didnt get installed
[01:17] <zymus> it says t can't find xorg?
[01:17] <zymus> sudo apt-get update
[01:20] <MattTheComputerG> did that it still cant find the packages
[01:20] <zymus> Anyone got any ideas on how to fix my wireless? I was thinking that maybe i needed to update the kernel/headers, but i can't do that because the ethernet port is disabled as well.
[01:21] <zymus> are you connected to the internet?
[01:22] <MattTheComputerG> im perty sure i am. the cable i pluged in ... how do i check
[01:22] <zymus> go to the terminal and do "ping http://www.google.com/"
[01:23] <Sysi> zymus: did you try rebooting?
[01:23] <zymus> Yes
[01:24] <MattTheComputerG> i will try that.. thoyugh it did nothin ussefull last time i tryed
[01:24] <zymus> I also noticed that the wireless indicator on my laptop isn't lit up.
[01:24] <zymus> MattTheComputerG, if you get a response back, it means you're connected to the internet
[01:24] <zymus> if it fails to ping google, it means that a connection couldn't be made
[01:27] <zymus> I tried modprobe'ing my wireless drivers(ath9k), nothing
[01:28] <zymus> i would update via the ethernet port, but i have to download the compat drivers to get the ethernet working
[01:34] <MattTheComputerG> it says unknown host, so im assuming it failed... how do i set up my connection
[01:34] <MattTheComputerG> i remember now that my internet cable was not pluged in during the install
[01:35] <zymus> So your computer is plugged into your router/modem, correct?
[01:38] <zymus> Wait scratch that
[01:39] <MattTheComputerG> yes its pluged into the router and from there to the server
[01:39] <zymus> And you're installing xubuntu directly from the cd?
[01:40] <MattTheComputerG> no no no, im instaling the xubuntu gui on my ubuntu serve install
[01:40] <zymus> OH, okay
[01:41] <zymus> Umm, is your ethernet card enabled?
[01:42] <MattTheComputerG> im not sure, during install the kable was unpluged so i just told it i would sett it up latter
[01:42] <zymus> umm, post the output of ifconfig
[01:42] <zymus> oh wait, probably not
[01:43] <zymus> when you do ifconfig, does it have an interface named something like eth0, ath1, or something along those lines
[01:47] <MattTheComputerG> no
[01:47] <zymus> what interfaces does it have?
[01:49] <MattTheComputerG> it lists my mask and, inet, inet6 ifo and other such stuff,  my server is in another room so....
[01:56] <MattTheComputerG> so i guess im screwwed
[01:56] <MattTheComputerG> ?
[03:10] <h725> does xubuntu have netinst images? (i.e., kernel and initrd)?
[03:16] <well_laid_lawn> I would use the minimal cd and install xubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <well_laid_lawn> !minimal
[03:20] <h725> well_laid_lawn: I'll dig into that
[03:21] <h725> apparently there is only iso images for minimal though, no netinst
[03:21] <Sysi> h725: ubuntu netboot images can be used
[03:22] <h725> Sysi: how do I tell the regular netboot image to load the alternate installer?
[03:22] <Sysi> h725: you can't use any other installer
[03:23] <Sysi> put those to to grub or memory stick with unetbootin
[03:23] <h725> I did that already
[03:23] <h725> question is won't i end up with ubuntu then and not with xubuntu?
[03:24] <well_laid_lawn>  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD - you give the option cli and end up with no desktop at all
[03:24] <well_laid_lawn> then install what you want
[03:25] <h725> oh excellent
[03:25] <well_laid_lawn> it is :]
[03:42] <jinxzs> anyone?
[03:43] <well_laid_lawn> !ask | jinxzs :]
[03:44] <jk_> jinxzs, as you can see there's not a lot of action here. go ahead with your question though.
[04:08] <Anom01y> hello is anyone here ?
[04:08] <Anom01y> got a question for someone with good knowledge
[04:39] <Anom01y> noone ?
[04:59] <ohmyishjon> new to *nix. how do i start learning about using the terminal?
[05:14] <bazhang> !bash
[06:21] <darryl> I lost my applications menu from xfce4-panel, how can I restore it?
[06:22] <gr8m8> !panel
[06:23] <gr8m8> well that wasn't too helpful
[06:23] <gr8m8> !resetpanel
[06:23] <gr8m8> that's for gnome...
[06:23] <gr8m8> he left anyway duh
[06:24] <n2diy> gr8m8, no I'm back
[06:24] <gr8m8> o
[06:24] <gr8m8> doesn't really matter I wasn't too helpful
[06:24] <n2diy> gr8m8, run xfce4-panel didn't work.
[06:25] <gr8m8> you could remove   ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[06:26] <gr8m8> then restart the panel - it should get the default back
[06:26] <n2diy> gr8m8, ok, I'll try that, and then I need to log out/in, or restart?
[06:26] <gr8m8> just do the restart panel thing
[06:26] <n2diy> gr8m8, ok.
[06:27] <gr8m8> killall xfce4-panel && xfce4-panel &    in terminal
[06:28] <n2diy> gr8m8, that is a directory, should I remove the entire directory?
[06:28] <gr8m8> n2diy: I would - but I don't change the poanel much
[06:42] <n2diy> gr8m8, ok, that worked, all is well, thanks
[06:42] <gr8m8> woot!
[06:43] <gr8m8> n2diy: you can back that folder up so if it borks again it is just a matter of copying the dir over
[06:44] <gr8m8> baah
[06:45] <gr8m8> n2diy: you can back that folder up so if it borks again it is just a matter of copying the dir over
[06:46] <n2diy> gr8m8, roger that, this is my back up box! But I was too lazy to fetch the directory from the enterprize box.
[06:47] <gr8m8> heh - you sound like me in that regard ...
[06:48] <n2diy> gr8m8, yea, I wanted to see how the delete and reload would go.
[07:02] <n2diy> gr8m8, I just upgraded to, and the name of my box was changed to Ubuntu, how can I switch it back to Nino?
[07:09] <gr8m8> !hostname | n2diy
[07:10] <n2diy> gr8m8, tnxs
[07:12] <gr8m8> n2diy: np :]
[07:26] <gr8m8> n2diy: it worked?
[07:29] <n2diy> gr8m8, yes, xfce4 delete worked.
[07:30] <gr8m8> n2diy: and the hostname change? - I guess since you are back it worked :]
[07:31] <n2diy> gr8m8, I think so, I changed it in hostname, but hosts had two entries, ubuntu, and nino, but nino was IDed as local host, and ubuntu was blank, so I think that's ok?
[07:33] <n2diy> gr8m8, also, I like to keep a copy of terminal's icon on my desktop, in case I loose my applications menu, with 8.04 I could drag it from the menu to the desktop, but here on 10.04, that doesn't work?
[07:34] <gr8m8> n2diy: a simple check is in terminal do   hostname   and see what it returns
[07:34] <gr8m8> and for the desktop icon right click the desktop and select  create launcher - I'm not on a xubuntu box atm to check sorry
[07:52] <n2diy> gr8m8, thanks, it even auto completed the commands for me, tnx again.
[07:53] <gr8m8> n2diy: glad to help :]
[08:10] <n2diy> gr8m8, when I run findsmb this box is displayed as ubuntu, not nino, I guess I should change the other entry in hosts?
[08:11] <gr8m8> n2diy: yep - and maybe look at smb.conf
[08:12] <gr8m8> I don't use samba tho - no windows in my home :]
[09:05] <Arpad2> hello
[09:06] <gr8m8> hello Arpad2 :]
[09:08] <Arpad2> what does this mean : http://pastebin.com/Ffcaair9 ?
[09:09] <gr8m8> that's called a url - a link to a web page Arpad2
[09:09] <Arpad2> :)
[09:10] <gr8m8> heh
[09:11] <gr8m8> Arpad2: seems you didn't give enought options for the command - is there a manpage? - man mkfs-ext4
[09:12] <Arpad2> gr8m8 : what is manpage ?
[09:13] <gr8m8> Arpad2: it is short for   manual   in terminal do   man mkfs-ext4
[09:13] <Arpad2> " No manual entry for mkfs-ext4 "
[09:13] <gr8m8> try man mkfs
[09:14] <TheSheep> man mkfs.ext4
[09:14] <Arpad2> now, there is
[09:14] <Arpad2> "  mkfs - build a Linux file system..."
[09:14] <gr8m8> TheSheep to the rescue :]
[09:15] <Arpad2> ok
[09:15] <Balsaq> hi knome
[09:19] <gr8m8> Arpad2: line 4 in that paste suggests the -i option
[09:19] <Arpad2> or -N in line 5
[09:20] <gr8m8> yep
[09:20] <gr8m8> the man page should give a clue - I've never used mkfs
[09:22] <Arpad2> i just want to format secundary harddrive in terminal
[09:24] <gr8m8> I would use cfdisk for that - or parted
[09:25] <gr8m8> maybe someon e else could give a clue...
[09:26] <Arpad2> I'm following instructions from here: http://www.ehow.com/how_1000631_hard-drive-linux.html
[09:27] <bazhang> not sure why you need it in the terminal
[09:28] <Arpad2> i should do it with gparted as well?
[09:29] <bazhang> gparted or gparted live cd always worked well here
[09:30] <Arpad2> yes it seems ok, but at the end it sais some harddrive metadata is corrupted and cannot mount
[09:41] <n2diy> Is it safe to install flash player?
[09:44] <gr8m8> n2diy: most do :]
[09:44] <gr8m8> n2diy: most ppl do :]
[09:44] <gr8m8> *
[09:44] <gr8m8> !flash
[09:44] <gr8m8> don't do gnash tho
[09:45] <n2diy> gr8m8, yes, I have in the past myself, but that was before the security issues arose.
[09:46] <gr8m8> n2diy: I must have missed the security issue
[09:46] <gr8m8> ?
[09:50] <n2diy> gr8m8, http://phandroid.com/2010/09/14/uh-oh-adobe-warns-against-critical-security-flaw-in-flash/
[09:51] <gr8m8> o
[12:06] <mtrg> when I sleep, the laptop goes to sleep mode
[12:07] <mtrg> but when a awaken the laptop, it starts in a funny order
[12:07] <mtrg> 1st it shows me my desktop and all opened windows
[12:07] <mtrg> 2nd it locks the interface and prompts for password
[12:07] <mtrg> how to solve this funny issue?
[12:15] <gr8m8> mtrg: have you gone through the options in the screensaver?
[13:39] <mtrg> gr8m8: what exactly
[13:42] <gr8m8> mtrg: I turn the comp off if I walk away from it - you will have to click some buttons to see...
[13:42] <mtrg> gr8m8: click some bottons to see what
[13:43] <mtrg> gr8m8: so you are saying that you don't need to lock it because you turn the comp off
[13:45] <gr8m8> mtrg: the most secure comp is one that is not running - there are options in the screensaver - you seem to have not explored them
[13:46] <gr8m8> I might be wrong there but..
[13:46] <mtrg> gr8m8: i did, but i can't find anything relvant in the section you refere to
[13:46] <mtrg> gr8m8: but I did not ask to have the "most secure" comp
[13:47] <mtrg> I just want to have windows-level secure comp
[13:48] <gr8m8> mtrg: you said you wanted to not have the comp ask for a password when it comes out of sleep
[13:49] <mtrg> no!
[13:49] <gr8m8> mtrg> 2nd it locks the interface and prompts for password
 how to solve this funny issue
[13:49] <mtrg> nope, the point is not removing password (it's not funny issue)
[13:49] <bazhang> mtrg, explain then
[13:49] <mtrg> the point is bringing proper order
[13:50] <mtrg> when my laptop wakes up, the 1st screen I see is a locked screen
[13:50] <mtrg> so, it should 1st lock, then 2nd go sleep
[13:50] <mtrg> so when it awakes, 1st locked screen is seen, 2nd desktop is seen after login
[13:51] <bazhang> mtrg, so you get a peek of the desktop before the locked screen?
[13:51] <mtrg> yeah
[13:51] <bazhang> yep seen that before
[13:51] <bazhang> not a security issue as far as I can tell
[13:51] <mtrg> privacy issue
[13:51] <bazhang> hmm?
[13:51] <mtrg> no one should know that i watch porn and wank on big boobs
[13:52] <bazhang> mtrg, thats not appropriate here
[13:52] <gr8m8> FUNNY THO
[13:52] <bazhang> no
[13:52] <mtrg> yeah it should be approperiate
[13:52] <gr8m8> I laughed
[13:52] <mtrg> we all know that we are animals..
[13:52] <bazhang> !guidelines | mtrg
[13:52] <bazhang> mtrg, I suggest you read those
[13:52] <mtrg> bazhang: ok, won't do again
[13:53] <gr8m8> I would suggest apt-cache search girl
[13:53] <mtrg> bazhang: solution to that early pre-login illigal peek
[13:53] <bazhang> gr8m8, please dont.
[13:54] <gr8m8> sorry
[13:54] <bazhang> mtrg, no.
[13:54] <gr8m8> I'm feeling immature atm
[13:54] <mtrg> it's funny that all people like diryt jokes but yet they are ashamed to openly discuss dirty stuff
[13:55] <bazhang> wrong network for that.
[13:55] <mtrg> heh
[13:55] <mtrg> was i kicked
[13:55] <bazhang> not joking
[13:55] <gr8m8> yep
[13:55] <mtrg> irssi didn't communicate that properly
[13:55] <mtrg> i was expecting to see something in /win 1
[13:55] <bazhang> stay on topic, and follow the guidelines then
[13:55] <gr8m8> family freindly pls
[13:56] <gr8m8> friendly*
[13:56] <mtrg> yep. all good stuff, birds singing, green grass
[13:56] <gr8m8> heh
[13:56] <bazhang> mtrg, stay on topic
[13:57] <gr8m8> so the first flash of a scrfeen shouldn't really matter
[13:57] <gr8m8> so the first flash of a screen shouldn't really matter
[13:57] <mtrg> but in my case i might lose a job you know
[13:57] <vic20gmr> is this the # for xubuntu ppc stuff?
[13:57] <gr8m8> !ppc
[13:58] <gr8m8> mtrg: use the diff workspaces for that maybe
[13:59] <gr8m8> !vt
[13:59] <vic20gmr> it doesnt seem to tell me how much hdd space is req'd for an install that wil allow 1]web browsing (basic browsing), and email
[13:59] <mtrg> i think it's an issue in the sleep script/app, gr8m8
[14:00] <mtrg> gr8m8: I think there should be a sleep timer to make sure screen is properly locked prior to relaly sleeping (or changing order if it is not already in proper order)
[14:00] <vic20gmr> ubottu
[14:00] <vic20gmr> it doesnt seem to tell me how much hdd space is req'd for an install that wil allow 1]web browsing (basic browsing), and email
[14:01] <Sysi-> for xubuntu installation you should have 10GB
[14:01] <Sysi-> but possible with 5
[14:01] <vic20gmr> any 1 know, or can u redirect me to the place for these answers
[14:02] <vic20gmr> 10gb?, i thot xubuntu was the "low mem/hdd edition"
[14:02] <gr8m8> vic20gmr: there is #powerpc iirc
[14:02] <vic20gmr> well aparently im the only one there
[14:02] <Sysi-> vic20gmr: 10GB isn't much for Os in year 2010
[14:03] <vic20gmr> well ubuntu with gnome says it only needs ab 3gb of space
[14:03] <gr8m8> if you install nothing else
[14:03] <Sysi-> i've had xubuntu in 4gb
[14:03] <vic20gmr> im looking to make an ibook g3 into a browser/email machine
[14:03] <vic20gmr> it has only 3gb of hdd pace
[14:04] <vic20gmr> total capacity that is
[14:04] <Sysi-> g3 and todays websites..
[14:05] <vic20gmr> is not a complete sentence, so wut do u mean/
[14:05] <Sysi-> how much ram?
[14:05] <vic20gmr> 288mb
[14:05] <gr8m8> !minimal
[14:05] <Sysi-> you're not gonna get anything run smoothly on that
[14:06] <gr8m8> !alternate
[14:06] <Sysi-> !lubuntu
[14:06] <vic20gmr> not an older version?
[14:07] <Sysi-> 8.04 might be slightly better but still not really
[14:09] <gr8m8> I would do the minimal with fluxbox and bugger all else
[14:10] <vic20gmr> gr8m8 minimal requires me to use cli?
[14:11] <gr8m8> I would do the minimal with fluxbox and bugger all else - fluxbox is a very lightweight window manager
[14:11] <gr8m8> lets you have a mail client
[14:11] <gr8m8> ~45mB at boot
[14:11] <gr8m8> mem
[14:13] <vic20gmr> do u have a link [torrent prefered, but not a must :)]?
[14:15] <vic20gmr> nvm
[14:15] <vic20gmr> i gess minimal reqs use of CLI
[14:15] <vic20gmr> ill give it a go, as soon as i find it :) thx all
[14:17] <gr8m8> !minimal
[14:18] <vic20gmr> with minimal, i gess i wont have wifi access at start?
[14:20] <gr8m8> vic20gmr: more then likely no - but if you have a very common card you might
[14:21] <vic20gmr> linsys wusb54g
[14:22] <vic20gmr> v4*
[14:22] <_namehere> is it possible to remove the opening animation from xubuntu boot-up and get a text based login instead?
[14:22] <bazhang> !nox
[14:23] <_namehere> ah, merci beaucoup
[14:23] <bazhang> de rien
[14:23] <_namehere> i mean thank you
[14:23] <_namehere> :)
[14:23] <bazhang> I know :)
[14:23] <_namehere> :)
[14:24] <vic20gmr> bon chance!
[14:25] <_namehere> :D
[14:48] <rgnr> help!
[14:48] <rgnr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/500327/
[15:00] <knome> rgnr, have you installed build-essential?
[15:01] <rgnr> knome:  the problem was ccache
[15:01] <rgnr> 10x for reponse
[16:18] <vic20gmr> hello, wud someone tell me where i can find a "walkthru" on installing xubuntu on a g3 from a usb drive?
[16:19] <vic20gmr> ive been googling my butt of
[16:23] <vic20gmr> i found some instructions pertaining to 7.04, but its quite confusing the way they r arranged, it doesnt seem to be step by step, but scattered
[16:30] <vic20gmr> i think if i knew the correct order in which to do the nesecary steps, id b able to install xubuntu rom a usb drive
[16:30] <vic20gmr> i dont know where to start tho
[16:31] <vic20gmr> any1 willing to help me with this?
[16:33] <vic20gmr> if i need to move this to another channel, lemme kno
[16:36] <Overdrive> hello
[16:37] <Overdrive> What can I use to acces Windows Live Messenger?
[16:39] <Overdrive> I am installing Xubuntu now for the first time
[16:43] <TheSheep> Overdrive: I think pidgin may support it
[16:45] <Overdrive> @TheSheep: Thank you, i wil try it.
[17:07] <mark76> My xubuntu session keeps crashing
[17:09] <likemindead> What version? What precedes the crash?
[17:09] <mark76> 10.04 and me clicking on the panel does the job
[17:10] <mark76> Or even on the desktop
[17:10] <mark76> Just clicking on anything and it crashes
[17:10] <mark76> It didn't used to
[17:11] <mark76> That's as technical as I'm going to get
[17:22] <mark76> My xubuntu desktop session keeps crashing judgen
[17:24] <likemindead> Very strange, mark76. Have you installed anything weird or messed with any packages?
[17:26] <mark76> I don't mess with packages. And the first time it happened I completely removed all Xubuntu and Xfce4 applications and then reinstalled the basics
[17:26] <mark76> I think it might be the notification area
[17:27] <judgen> tried disabling the osd mark76?
[17:27] <mark76> Can you run an Xfce session without xfce4-panel?
[17:27] <judgen> just to see if that is what causes it
[17:27] <mark76> What's the OSD?
[17:29] <judgen> mark76: just rename the panel binary like this "sudo mv /usr/bin/xfce4-panel /usr/bin/xfce4-panel.bak" and if you want to restor you just rename it back to xfce4-panel
[17:29] <judgen> then the panel is disabled at next login
[17:29] <mark76> I'm going to try it now
[17:29] <mark76> BBL
[17:37] <mark76> It's not the panel
[17:38] <likemindead> Was this a Xubuntu install or an Ubuntu install that you added Xfce to?
[17:38] <mark76> The latter
[17:38] <knome> mark76, did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[17:39] <mark76> Yep
[17:39] <mark76> Is there a conflict?
[17:39] <knome> no
[17:39] <mark76> Okay
[17:39] <knome> if you installed only the xfce packages, you might have the problem because of that
[17:39] <knome> but installing xubuntu-desktop should make sure it's not about that
[17:40] <mark76> Would removing the xfce packages do any good?
[17:41] <knome> no
[17:41] <mark76> Okay
[17:41] <judgen> when does i crash?
[17:41] <mark76> As soon as I click on the desktop
[17:42] <mark76> I've disabled xfdesktop
[17:42] <mark76> Let me see if that makes any difference
[17:42] <mark76> BIAB
[17:45] <mark76> Nope. It's not xfdesktop either
[17:45] <knome> are you using nautilus?
[17:46] <mark76> In Xfce? No
[17:47]  * likemindead has found mixing ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop to be a very bad idea....
[17:47] <knome> likemindead, really? that shouldn't be. have you found what's not working?
[17:48] <likemindead> Just lots of buggyness in general.
[17:48] <likemindead> It's probably been a year or so since I did, though.
[17:48] <likemindead> I'm pure Xubuntu these days. :D
[17:48] <knome> never had any bug reports/common errors about that...
[17:48] <knome> *had = seen
[17:49] <knome> charlie-tca could know. (re: ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed at the same time seems to be a bad idea)
[17:50] <charlie-tca> could know what?
[17:50] <knome> charlie-tca, see the text in parenthesis
[17:50] <charlie-tca> A little slow but working; Xubuntu Maverick installed using the desktop image on 400MHz cpu with 384 MB ram
[17:50] <likemindead> I've only added Openbox to my Xubuntu install. It worked fine.
[17:51] <charlie-tca> I agree. It doesn't seem to work well anymore. They have changed to many dependencies in Gnome, and Xubuntu does not install them.
[17:51] <knome> so the fix would be?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> There is not one that I know of starting with about 10.04
[17:52] <charlie-tca> They won't even allow an upgrade now with more than one desktop installed
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Could try removing the -desktop meta package, that used to work.
[17:53] <mark76> Which one?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> should not matter which one. The -desktop package is only used for initial installation to insure all the packages are satisfied. It is used again when upgrading
[17:54] <mark76> K
[17:54] <mark76> Removing now
[17:56] <mark76> Right. DInner time
[17:56] <mark76> BBL
[17:57] <mthorn> can anyone confirm if 10.10 will have support for libva/vaapi decoding on an intel 4500HD graphics chip?
[17:57] <judgen> Sadly i have no idea.
[17:58] <mthorn> I recently bought a new laptop, and it's not powerful enough to play half of my video files smoothly on xubuntu >__<;
[17:58] <charlie-tca> You could try the desktop cd live environment
[17:59] <charlie-tca> How much memory in that laptop?
[18:04] <mthorn> charlie-tca, 2 gigs, plenty
[18:04] <mthorn> the problem is the cpu: 1.4gHz core2, single core.
[18:04] <mthorn> a lot of 720p files lag/stop playing randomly
[18:05] <charlie-tca> shouldn't be. My 1.5GHz P4 with 1GB ram works
[18:05] <mthorn> do you have a real graphics card?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> AGP, nvidia
[18:05] <mthorn> That probably helps
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Maybe. That intel is built in to the motherboard, isn't it?
[18:06] <mthorn> yep
[18:17] <Aquina> Oh, oh!: http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/xubuntu/releases/lucid/release/
[18:17] <Aquina> The Link for Gemany is broken. :(
[18:17] <knome> so apparently they are just not mirroring xubuntu anymore
[18:18] <knome> no, the path is actually just changed..
[18:30] <mark76> I give up
[18:31] <mark76> :(
[18:32] <mark76> Not even removing the xubuntu-desktop package helped Judgen
[18:32] <judgen> did you remove it or did you purge it?
[18:33] <judgen> remving it only removes the binaries and the documentation.. not all config files
[18:33] <charlie-tca> it is a meta-package, it doesn't matter if it is purged.
[18:33] <mark76> I did a complete removal
[18:33] <judgen> ok
[18:38] <mark76> I guess it's just no longer possible to run Xfce in Ubuntu
[18:40] <Aquina> I also tried the europe Server and it's stopped after 15%; the Netherland-Server is available but Download stopped after 500Kib.
[18:40] <Aquina> *itch'n'wonder*
[18:40] <Sysi-> torrent <3
[18:42] <Aquina> C'mon we work in LP, test ISOS do all kinds a things and promote xubuntu but it's cant be downloaded when one want's to? This is plain unacceptable. Who's responsible for the servers, cody?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> umm,
[18:42] <judgen> The ISOS is available at http://ftp.sunet.se as usual for europeans.
[18:42] <judgen> just downloaded it to test
[18:43] <Aquina> I mean not dor the servers administration bit for puttin them on the official Xubuntu website and verifying the're ok.
[18:43] <charlie-tca> I don't think we have anyone that verifies it
[18:43] <charlie-tca> We might be stretched a little thin...
[18:44] <Aquina> Thanks, Judgen. I'm talking about the official download dection of the official xubuntu website. Hmm.... I see Charlie.
[18:45] <Aquina> I could test all the servrs and file a report. Additionally I could ask my employer (German ISP/MSP) to put it on our servers.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> That would be great!
[18:49] <Aquina> :-) With whom should I negotiat that (Person/e-Mail)?
[18:50] <knome> Aquina, i suppose if it's mirrored, just inform #xubuntu-devel and the xubuntu developer mailing list
[18:51] <charlie-tca> yes. You can cc vinnl if you want
[18:51] <charlie-tca> He updates the .org site when I can get hold of him
[18:52] <knome> sent vinnl
[18:52] <knome> Aquina, sent vinnl's mail to your PM
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Thanks, knome
[18:53] <Aquina> ok, thanks! :-)
[18:53] <knome> charlie-tca, Aquina: np
[18:53] <Aquina> I'm gonna do this on monday and talk to my boss.
[18:53] <knome> at least that was it when i last checked/send/received mail from/to him
[18:58] <Aquina> What amount traffic will I have to handle?
[19:12] <knome> no idea... the best to answer that would probably be an administrator of one of the other servers mirroring xubuntu
[19:19] <mark76> Hey likemindead
[19:19] <likemindead> Yes'sir?
[19:19] <mark76> :/
[19:19] <mark76> Removing xubuntu-desktop made no difference
[19:20] <likemindead> Bummer. :-\
[19:20] <mark76> It looks like you can no longer run Xfce under Gnome
[19:20] <likemindead> I'd back up and do a fresh Xubuntu install. :D
[19:20] <mark76> If you know what I mean
[19:21] <mark76> I could do that
[19:22]  * likemindead loves the gloriously squeaky clean feeling of a fresh install. ^__^
[19:23] <mark76> But I think I'm just going to put it on a partition instead
[19:39] <chrischu> hi
[19:40] <chrischu> can anybody tell me how long installing xubuntu on an 1 TB unformatted harddrive should take?
[19:40] <chrischu> it seems the progressbar is stuck at 5% while "Creating ext4 file system..."
[19:40] <Aquina> "It looks like you can no longer run Xfce under Gnome" -- Hows that supposed to work at all? GNOME and XFCE are desktop environments.
[19:41] <knome> chrischu, formatting 1TB takes time...
[19:41] <charlie-tca> chrischu: a long time...
[19:41] <Aquina> a few hours I guess.
[19:41] <chrischu> i know that but is it normal that the progressbar doesnt move?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Aquina: yes
[19:41] <Sysi-> progressbars usually aren't reliable
[19:41] <charlie-tca> It will move very slowly
[19:41] <chrischu> ok
[19:41] <chrischu> thanks for the info
[19:42] <Aquina> I had to format 360Gb and it took aprox. 80 min as far as I can remember.
[19:42] <mark76> Alongside Gnome, then. Aquina
[19:42] <mark76> In Ubuntu
[19:42] <Aquina> It heavily depends on your hard disk(s) and controller however.
[19:42] <chrischu> yeah
[19:42] <chrischu> well i'm in no hurry
[19:42] <Aquina> I see, mark76.
[19:42] <chrischu> just wasn't sure if there was anything going on
[19:42] <chrischu> or if the install was just frozen
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Mine only take a couple of hours for the 325GB drives
[19:43] <Aquina> As long as there are disk writes, the system responds and NUM-lock works you'd be fine.
[20:46] <justsimplybob> Does anyone have a good suggestion for a wireless connection manager for xubuntu? I want to be able to select what channel I am connecting to.
[20:47] <Sysi-> gnome's networkmanager or wicd
[20:49] <justsimplybob> is gnome's networkmanager comes with it? and i am having issues connecting through wicd.
[20:51] <justsimplybob> sorry about that, I can not tell if my connection has dropped or not
[21:03] <xubuntu121> is xubuntu much light to run the ubuntu?
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is between 20-30 percent lighter on resources
[21:12] <MrJake> thanks charlie
[21:12] <MrJake> is actually istalling atm hehe
[21:12] <MrJake> and thre was a link on the istaller to ths ircserver via a browser and i clicked it for fun
[21:12] <MrJake> even if u didnt run live cd and went straight to install they sill let u use a browser
[21:13] <MrJake> i love linux for its simplicity
[21:13] <MrJake> how now
[21:21] <justsimplybob> Do you know how I can stop/close NetworkManager Applet?
[21:22] <charlie-tca> System -> Task Manager -> kill it?
[21:22] <justsimplybob> so I can run Wicd
[21:23] <justsimplybob> stupid question: task manager same as system monitor?
[21:25] <knome> justsimplybob, you shouldn't have both installed at the same time
[21:25] <charlie-tca> yes, it is. It depends on the version of Xubuntu as to the exact name.
[21:25] <justsimplybob> okay, how do I uninstall the Network manager applet?
[21:26] <knome> justsimplybob, install wicd.
[21:26] <justsimplybob> Charlie I thought so
[21:26] <knome> charlie-tca, isn't network-manager the package name?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Well, just the applet can be turned off in Session and Startup, Application Autostart, uncheck it. It won't start no more
[21:27] <justsimplybob> knome- I did through synaptic and then follow the instructions on the wicd site.
[21:27] <charlie-tca> the applet should be network-manager-applet or gnome-network-manager-applet
[21:27] <charlie-tca> or both
[21:28] <charlie-tca> but, it should have uninstalled when wicd was installed, since they conflict
[21:28] <justsimplybob> I am still learning linux and all of it's glory, but I do not know how to do an uninstall
[21:28] <justsimplybob> it's still running after I installed it
[21:29] <knome> justsimplybob, 'sudo apt-get remove packagename' or remove package from your favourite package manager
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Open Synaptic Package Manager, find the app, right click on it, click on "remove"
[21:32] <justsimplybob> I am not sure what one I need to remove
[21:33] <knome> justsimplybob, 23:27  charlie-tca: the applet should be network-manager-applet or gnome-network-manager-applet
[21:34] <Sysi-> network-manager-gnome iirc
[21:35] <knome> mmhmm, network-manager-*
[21:44] <justsimplybob> Thank you for you help! It has made a major difference
[21:57] <slow-motion> n8