[00:26] <aroman> So I need to add another window (glade .ui file) to my quickly project. I have made the UI file and put it with the others, but I'm not sure how to get the rest of my project to be able to work with it. Thanks!
[00:27] <ScottK> aroman: You might try #ubuntu-app-devel.  That's really not what this channel is for.
[00:27] <aroman> Sure thing. Thanks
[00:28] <dugger5688> Any ubuntu developers in here? I have a "papercut" that I think should be fixed. Namely, if you install eclipse in Software Center it's fairly broken, but through terminal is fine.
[00:28] <beuno> dugger5688, file a bug!
[00:33] <bdrung_> dugger5688: that's because the software center only installs eclipse-platform, which isn't enough if you want to install plugins
[00:33] <dugger5688> I realized that now, was hoping to get some insight as to why that is the case.
[00:38] <bdrung_> dugger5688: because that package contains the .desktop file
[00:41] <dugger5688> Seems silly to not include what actually makes eclipse an IDE in the software center item titled "Eclipse Integrated Development Environment" Again, this is a minor annoyance for me but I know many people who would otherwise love to use Ubuntu to develop projects for research/class etc. that might be turned off by this.
[00:41] <bdrung_> dugger5688: yes. IIRC there is already a bug report for that.
[00:42] <directhex> i'm impressed it's even in the archive. i remember when it had been given up on as unpackageable
[00:43] <bdrung_> directhex: it was hard work to get it packaged.
[00:43] <dugger5688> Thanks, I had looked but couldn't find one. That's why I inquired here first. My friend yesterday was telling me he gave up on Ubuntu b/c of this very problem.
[00:43] <directhex> i can imagine. i have nothing but sympathy for the java team
[00:43] <dugger5688> I am glad it's packaged though :-)
[00:44] <bdrung_> directhex: it's the DOA team. ;)
[00:44] <dugger5688> DOA?
[00:46] <bdrung_> Debian Orbital Alignment team ;)
[00:46] <bdrung_> -> http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse.html
[00:46] <bdrung_> we are two people working on it
[00:46] <bdrung_> but we have a cool name :)
[00:47] <directhex> surely eclipse is just a major example of the usual java packaging issues?
[00:47] <dugger5688> Indeed, a very cool name. Good work too, Java used to be a nightmare but continues to improve for me.
[00:48] <dugger5688> *on Ubuntu that is.
[00:48] <bdrung_> directhex: yes. but it produces tools like the rewritten suspicious-source.
[00:50] <dugger5688> Has anything changed since Oracle took over?
[00:50] <bdrung_> i am not aware of any changes yet
[00:50] <bdrung_> but i have to admit that my last change in eclipse is weeks ago.
[00:51] <dugger5688> What makes Java packages so difficult? I'm not very experienced with it, I was employed doing Perl/Python but never had a reason to learn Java.
[00:52] <bdrung_> directhex, dugger5688: it's much work to get it working: http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/eclipse-3-5-2-1-in-debian-unstable/
[00:53] <dugger5688> So you are working on packaging PyDev? That's awesome!
[00:53] <bdrung_> there is not one command that builds everything from source. some binaries file are generated by someone and used until someone updates them, but we need the source for them and build them.
[00:53] <bdrung_> dugger5688: pydev is on the list, but nothing is done lately. we need more man power.
[00:53] <bdrung_> other packages (like audacious and vlc) have stolen my time.
[00:54] <dugger5688> Would love to contribute if I could, but like I said I suck at java.
[00:54] <bdrung_> you don't know much about java. :) you need to know how to package, how to use the shell and how to use ant.
[00:54]  * directhex slyly mentions to dugger5688 that monodevelop-python is in good shape ;)
[00:55] <bdrung_> s/know/need to know/
[00:56] <bdrung_> dugger5688: and a fast machine doesn't hurt.
[00:56] <bdrung_> (requires 3 GiB on harddisk and 2 GiB RAM to compile)
[00:57] <dugger5688> quad core, 4 gigs, 3-GHz fast? HAha, unfortunately I don't have time to get caught up. I'll remember next semester though, when I'm out of school!
[00:57] <bdrung_> on my desktop system it takes 10 mins to compile (on the three years old laptop 80 mins)
[00:58] <bdrung_> dugger5688: core 2 duo, 3.16 GHz, 8 GiB RAM and compiling in tmpfs.
[00:59] <dugger5688> Nice. I must say I've never come close to 100% mem usage, except during the nasty chromium/google maps GPU bug where there's an infinite loop full of ALLOCs.
[01:22] <directhex> bdrung_: what's with java and ram during compilation? i see the same thing with IKVM.NET, which needs to compile a whole bunch of openjdk for its own use - the javac process eats over a gig of ram
[01:23] <persia> directhex, deferred garbage collection: most JREs only free memory when there is pressure.
[01:24] <directhex> an insightful technical answer! how handy!
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[13:59] <bdrung_> directhex: as written before, it requires 2 gig of ram during compilation
[15:30] <bilalakhtar> micahg: ping
[15:30] <bilalakhtar> hmm, micahg: unping, you are away
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[19:36] <LLStarks> hi, are there any ubuntu boot devs worth talking to besides scott?
[19:38] <ion> yes
[19:39] <LLStarks> k
[19:39] <LLStarks> like whom?
[19:40] <soren> How about you just ask your question?
[19:44] <lifeless> !ask | LLStarks
[19:44] <ubottu> LLStarks: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:44] <LLStarks> does scott have any plans to run a ppa for his last minute ureadahead changes?
[19:45] <LLStarks> like https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-boot/+archive/staging or https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-boot/+archive/ppa
[20:05] <LLStarks> ?
[20:06] <lifeless> LLStarks: for that question, I'd mail the devel list
[20:06] <LLStarks> devel mailing?
[20:06] <LLStarks> k
[20:06] <lifeless> sure. or devel-discuss
[20:41] <ogra_cmpc> RAOF, around ?
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[23:49] <RAOF> ogra_cmpc: I am now.
[23:51] <persia> I do believe you've missed him by ~20 minutes :)
[23:51]  * ajmitch blames daylight saving time
[23:52]  * persia would think that would make it easier to overlap
[23:53] <ajmitch> it's a convenient scapegoat, I lost an hour's sleep in the weekend from it :)
[23:54] <persia> Whilst you're still properly annoyed, start a write-in campaign to have it abolished.
[23:55] <RAOF> ajmitch: Oh, is it daylight savings already?
[23:55] <RAOF> o_O
[23:55] <ajmitch> RAOF: sure, I thought you'd have it there already?
[23:55] <RAOF> No, I don't think so.
[23:56] <RAOF> We've harmonised with the filthy northerners.
[23:56]  * persia thinks it's still waiting to pounce on RAOF some unexpected monday
[23:56] <ajmitch> oh right, looks like it's next weekend for you
[23:56] <RAOF> persia: Oh, totally. :)
[23:56] <TheMuso> Yeah not yet in Australia, likely next weekend, or some time in October.
[23:56]  * ajmitch wonders why NZ is ahead of australia for DST this year
[23:56] <RAOF> Hm.  KDE needs to learn to not spawn hundreds of winebrowser processes each time I try to open a link…
[23:59] <ion> raof: Nah, you just need to increase the number of available processes in the system. ;-)