[02:05] <stlsaint> duanedesign: yo
[02:11] <duanedesign> stlsaint: lo
[02:12] <stlsaint> duanedesign: hows clicompanion coming?
[02:19] <duanedesign> stlsaint: have not had a chance to mess with it today :\
[02:19] <duanedesign> hopefully get a chance to test/fix it tomorrow
[02:49] <CassandraKos> Can anyone help me detect what is happening when my filesystem loses directories (or drives) full of data? I think nautilus is at the heart of my trouble as these errors only occur when I move or copy files in the GUI.
[02:51] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: you have any crash reports?
[02:51] <CassandraKos> I am hunting for appropriate threads in the forums but so far have found nothing helpful, so I hope there is someone out there with the knowledge I lack.
[02:51] <CassandraKos> No crash reports - the system is unaware of its errors.
[02:52] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: so you are losing whole partitions?
[02:52] <CassandraKos> It is ext3 and probably assumes it makes no mistakes - I am losing directory files - or their contents, but not whole partitions.
[02:53] <CassandraKos> I lost ten seasons of Stargate SG-1
[02:53] <stlsaint> directory files? ones you created or default folders?
[02:53] <CassandraKos> but all the star trek is intact on the same drive
[02:53] <CassandraKos> my directories
[02:54] <CassandraKos> one was calles SG-1 and transformed into an avi file
[02:54] <CassandraKos> very weird
[02:54] <CassandraKos> the 19 files in the SG-1 directory just vanished
[02:55] <CassandraKos> and the directory name was assigned to a fle that had been in the directory
[02:55] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: have you filed a bug? or looked on launchpad for any related bugs?
[02:55] <CassandraKos> pointer errors by nautilus, I suspect
[02:55] <CassandraKos> cannot find anything related - but what is the bug? I cannot quantify it until Iknow what is happening
[02:56] <CassandraKos> not sure if it is pointers or not
[02:56] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: can you reproduce the behavior without hurting any other directorys?
[02:56] <CassandraKos> don't know how to find out what is going wrong
[02:57] <CassandraKos> it seems to happen at random intervals and I cannot reproduce it at will or at all, it just happens ... sometimes
[02:57] <CassandraKos> this should not hapen with a jounalling filesystem
[02:58] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: if you think it is nautilus than try installing a new DE
[02:58] <CassandraKos> any suggestions?
[02:58] <CassandraKos> this one came with ubuntu
[02:59] <CassandraKos> have used KDE - like Gnome better
[02:59] <CassandraKos> but not familiar with another filemanager
[03:00] <CassandraKos> also not sure how to get nautilus to go away if I replace it
[03:01] <CassandraKos> I hate being a beginner after 30 years using computers, but I am but an egg in Ubuntu
[03:01] <CassandraKos> appreciate any help
[03:02] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: well considering that you are losing files without knowledge i would hate to leave nautilus running i would suggest using KDE for awhile (which uses dolphin and not nautilus) to try and isolate your issue
[03:04] <CassandraKos> thanks, I will, there have been many times I have wanted to remove a package and found it wanted to take the ubuntu-desktop with it - perhaps there is a good reason for that!
[03:05] <CassandraKos> Running in a terminal is a better learning experience, maybe I should operate without a GUI at all and get up to speed faster.
[03:06] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: hrm, i wouldnt suggest going without gui with you being new to ubuntu
[03:10] <CassandraKos> But I am not new to cmmand line operation - I like it! (I am a strange beast.)
[03:10] <CassandraKos> however, I now have to update my repositories, I think, as kde is not installable because of unmet dependancies
[03:11] <CassandraKos> am installing dolphin now
[03:12] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: you just install the kubuntu-desktop-environment
[03:12] <CassandraKos> I just thought at command level I would be told more about what is happening when the system freezes up and other goodies.
[03:12] <CassandraKos> ah - was asking it to install the wrong thing, my ignorance thanks you for its elimination
[03:14] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: there is nothing more that cli will give you that a gui cant
[03:14] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: as far as crash reports go that is
[03:15] <CassandraKos> you are probably right - but it feels (just like a woman to say that) like the GUI is getting in the way of me using my computer
[03:16] <CassandraKos> and of course, the repository thing was right (I guessed as much) it says E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop-environment
[03:18] <CassandraKos> I'll bet I have one somewhere about on a CD ... (hunts about in study) but adding another repository is easier
[03:20] <Guest65190> hello
[03:20] <Guest65190> ?
[03:20] <CassandraKos> Now there is another problem I can reproduce - the moment I put a data DVD in the drive (looking for kubuntu) the whole system froze
[03:20] <CassandraKos> hello
[03:21] <Guest65190> i was lookin to get a little help with ubuntu
[03:21] <CassandraKos> you are in the right place
[03:21] <Guest65190> i thought maybe :)
[03:23] <CassandraKos> Not that I am brilliant - but there are those here who are wonderful - take a bow, saint
[03:24] <CassandraKos> Poor dear may not have meant to do that
[03:24] <CassandraKos> you came back
[03:24] <Guest65190> oops
[03:24] <Guest65190> what happened?
[03:24] <TJ_D> Hi all
[03:24] <CassandraKos> thought you didn't mean to do that
[03:24] <CassandraKos> hi
[03:24] <Guest65190> hey
[03:25] <CassandraKos> it said "﻿Guest65190 left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer)." to us
[03:25] <CassandraKos> What happened at your end is anyone's guess
[03:26] <Guest65190> well anyway, so now it says "(process:342): Glib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)"
[03:26] <Guest65190> i think i just lost my connection
[03:26] <TJ_D> Does anyone know if in Terminator Terminal I can direct a command from one command line to fire in another? I'm using it to have multiple segmented terminals all on one screen and want to be able to run a command in one without switching to it
[03:27] <CassandraKos> Good question TJ - I would like the answer to that one, too, am researching it on the net atm/
[03:27] <CassandraKos> You're back now, anyway Guest, so at least you can return if it happens again.
[03:27] <CassandraKos> perhaps we have to run processes as another user?
[03:28] <Guest65190> any guidance as to what that line means? again, i'm new to anything other than winblows, sorry lol
[03:28] <stlsaint> sup folks
[03:28] <stlsaint> sorry, what issues are you fine folks having?
[03:29] <CassandraKos> there should be (and probably is) a command to run a programme from a terminal window without using the use of the terminal window. (Bats eyelashes at gurus in room)
[03:29] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: you mean right click the file and select run from terminal?
[03:30] <TJ_D> Guest65190 - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1443231 this seems related to that error message if that helps
[03:30] <CassandraKos> maybe that is what I mean
[03:31] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: well "run a command from terminal without using a terminal"...?? lol
[03:32] <TJ_D> stlsaint I'm more or less trying to do the same. However I'm using a splitscreen display with Terminator Terminal, and I want to fire a program in one 'section' for lack of a better word ( terminator allows you to pane your open terminal windows on one screen) from another. For instance I have a main command line I use, and then three monitoring windows, I want to start up 'tail -f errorlog.txt' without actually clicking onto a
[03:33] <TJ_D> So I was trying to find a way to send a command from one cli to another I guess
[03:33] <aveilleux> TJ_D: You can't actually do that, since it's a security problem if you can run from one Terminal to another
[03:34] <stlsaint> TJ_D: sorry i have never nor known of any command to do that
[03:34] <TJ_D> So everytime I start up my workstation I have to manually set it up and launch the programs, I cant have like a script that does it or something
[03:34] <stlsaint> TJ_D: yes you can, if you are wanting to have a program start than add it to yoru startup applications list
[03:35] <CassandraKos> really?
[03:35] <CassandraKos> is that the way?
[03:35] <CassandraKos> seems an overreaction to wanting to run vlc, for example, as well as dolphin
[03:36] <stlsaint> TJ_D: the other issue you are having of trying to spread a command across multiple terminals is somethign i have not seen nor used
[03:36] <CassandraKos> would I have to reboot whenever I wanted to use another programme?
[03:36] <CassandraKos> Like the sound of that Terminator, TJ
[03:36] <TJ_D> Maybe I'm explaining wrong. All I want to do is have two of my windows run the tail program on seperate text files while the third runs a different program, wasn't sure if I had to manually open terminal and then run the program manually
[03:37] <TJ_D> CassandraKos - sudo apt-get install terminator
[03:37] <stlsaint> ok CassandraKos what is the question you have?
[03:37] <TJ_D> ctrl-e and ctrl-o will split the current window horizontal/verticle
[03:37] <TJ_D> -cle +cal
[03:38] <TJ_D> rather shift-ctrl-e/o
[03:38] <stlsaint> TJ_D: you need to script something to do what you want
[03:38] <stlsaint> TJ_D: i am not much of a scripter so sorry i cant help
[03:38] <TJ_D> Yeah that's what I figured, it's feasible though?
[03:38] <stlsaint> TJ_D: yes it is
[03:38] <TJ_D> Mkay so I just need to find someone who can point me in the direction of how to script it then >.> Because I'm not much of one either heh.
[03:39] <stlsaint> TJ_D: do you have an account on the ubuntu forums?
[03:39] <stlsaint> TJ_D: i would suggest heading to the developing forum to see if some of them smart folks there can through a template together for ya or something
[03:45] <aveilleux> TJ_D: I'm a BASH scripter, can you describe exactly what you want done?
[03:45] <stlsaint> TJ_D: perfect..there you go
[03:46] <stlsaint> aveilleux: heres the jist of it: op wants to startup computer, at login they want three terminal windows to open up, 2 running command: tail -f <whatever>, and the third another program
[03:46] <CassandraKos> stlsaint: I have so many question, so few answers, but I think dolphin may give me an avenue to explore
[03:47] <aveilleux> TJ_D, That's easy. I assume you're on Ubuntu (base)?
[03:48] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: as far as the more resource heavy desktop environments, kde is my fav after gnome :D
[03:51] <CassandraKos> but i still think operating at cli will end up suiting me best, as an old cp/m and dos user
[03:51] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: you can still work all from cli with a gui installed
[03:51] <CassandraKos> (Confesses) I am a total control freak and like to only run what I want, not what someone thinks I may want or need ...
[03:52] <CassandraKos> it is all that hidden stuff, obscured from view that happens that freaks me out
[03:52] <stlsaint> CassandraKos: heck i use irssi! I am quite fond of terminal :D
[03:52] <CassandraKos> Did I mention that I am a nephyte LFS user ...
[03:52] <stlsaint> i use terminator/quake/terminal :D
[03:56] <TJ_D> aveilleux: More directly what I'm trying to do is be able to open at my leisure a program or something that will open up Terminator Terminal where I can view multiple terminal command lines on one screen split up horizontal/vertical, with three windows total, two running tail and one running another program
[03:58] <stlsaint> aveilleux: run one command in terminal1 and have it sync and span across other terminals specified
[03:59] <aveilleux> TJ_D: Again, you're running Ubuntu? As opposed to K/X/Fluxbuntu.
[04:00] <stlsaint> aveilleux: fluxbuntu...nice, havent heard that in some time :)
[04:00] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Fluxbox is quickly becoming my preferred DE
[04:00] <TJ_D> Yes, 10.04
[04:00] <TJ_D> Kinda new to the cool club, been a slave to Mr.Gates for a long time just happily pretending that WIndows was doing what I wanted it to
[04:01] <stlsaint> aveilleux: oh yea, i run it on two installs, my fav on the low resource end out of all other DE's
[04:01] <stlsaint> aveilleux: i know the fluxbox debian maintainer :D
[04:02] <TJ_D> Also totally random but if I want to connect to this chat from my IM client how do I connect? Normally I just enter http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners# into browser
[04:03] <stlsaint> TJ_D: install a irc client, ubuntu comes default with xchat
[04:03] <stlsaint> TJ_D: that way no need to work out of browser
[04:04] <TJ_D> I use empathy
[04:04] <TJ_D> just not sure what to enter in connection infos
[04:05] <stlsaint> TJ_D: the server is freenode and the channel #ubuntu-beginners
[04:08] <renshai> Test
[04:08] <zkriesse> renshai: Yes?
[04:08] <TJ_D> Sorry that's me, was logging in from another client
[04:11] <aveilleux> renshai: I don't know enough about Terminator to really help you, but I'm sure there are command-line flags that can have it start in the mode you want
[04:21] <AbhiJit> hi
[04:25] <zkriesse> AbhiJit: just a little note: Saying hi in every channel you join is generaly discouraged
[04:26] <AbhiJit> zkriesse, oh ok
[04:26] <zkriesse> AbhiJit: but anyway...how's things?
[04:27] <AbhiJit> zkriesse, yah busy in college minii project! :)
[04:40] <renshai> Hi again all - looking more into my problem with figuring out how to setup gnome terminator terminal how I want it, maybe it's just my newbieness in regards to terminal/cli in the first place.
[04:41] <renshai> Reading this: http://www.tenshu.net/wp-content/uploads/terminator_config.html - it seems like it should be a pretty simple thing to have this program load up like. A profile or initial configuration file with the setup I'd like
[04:41] <renshai> But I just dont understand enough of what it's saying to whip it together >.>
[05:16] <renshai> Anyone awake familiar with gnome terminator terminal at all?
[06:13] <renshai> Hi
[07:11] <mccrase90> hello?
[07:11] <aveilleux> Hi there
[07:12] <mccrase90> *sigh* ubuntu is nice....
[07:12] <CassandraKos> isn't it
[07:12] <mccrase90> i'm glad i switched, no more winbloz
[07:14] <CassandraKos> congratulate mccrase - a new install after a shaky start
[07:17] <CassandraKos> renshai: I am installin Terminator now, will be up to speed in about an hour
[07:17] <renshai> I've learned a good deal on my own I can help with
[07:18] <renshai> There is some support for saving layouts and firing an initial command upon running the program in each terminal
[07:18] <CassandraKos> there you go - we all help each other and we learn together
[07:18] <CassandraKos> I need a better manual than the MAN pages for this one, too!
[07:18] <renshai> So you can save a shortcut to it that loads your layouts, which you can setup to run a program/open a file/whatever in each terminal
[07:19] <renshai> advise you to do 'terminator -h' when you first install it
[07:19] <CassandraKos> sounds like terminator is a better teminal
[07:19] <renshai> then after you run right click in the main terminal and select preferences, from there you can config everything as much or more than normal gnome terminal
[07:19] <CassandraKos> it is still downloading - my connection is being shared too many ways
[07:20] <renshai> It's funny right as you said that I had just had my breakthrough in figuring the program out, heh.
[07:20] <CassandraKos> but I expect -h is much as its info or man page?
[07:20] <renshai> no it's just a list of the commands you can modify startup with
[07:20] <CassandraKos> I know what that is like
[07:20] <CassandraKos> ah
[07:20] <renshai> most notable being 'terminator --layout=(layouts name)'
[07:21] <renshai> After you setup your preferences and such
[07:21] <CassandraKos> that will make sense when i have finished its intall, no doubt
[07:22] <CassandraKos> been using the default terminal in gname and not happy about all of what I can do that way yet
[07:22] <renshai> Sure, let me know if you have questions and I'll try to help, it wasn't all that intuitive to pickup but I'm new to CLI intensive work so I assumed that'd happen
[07:22] <renshai> This is very similar to gnome terminal really, just with a few features added
[07:22] <CassandraKos> cli is old hat to me, but I am still a Linux newbie
[07:24] <CassandraKos> at least terminator was available from one of my souces.list
[07:24] <renshai> Yet to figure out how to get it to save my resizing of terminals, but it opens them all in the proper place and with th e proper program running, so I can live with resizing by hand for now
[07:24] <CassandraKos> that is a good start
[07:25] <CassandraKos> thank goodness for the whole X windows system, god bless the developers of that, whoever they are (or were)
[07:25] <aveilleux> renshai: Does Terminator support --geometry like gnome-terminal does?
[07:26] <CassandraKos> seems to think it does, according to the webpage I'm reading
[07:26] <renshai> Yeah think so
[07:26] <renshai> Yes, but not sure how to specify which terminal I'm resizing, more looks to resize the initial window
[07:27] <aveilleux> renshai: You want more than one terminal? Then run something like terminator --whateverflags & <newline> terminator--whateverotherflags & and so on
[07:28] <renshai> No, terminator allows you to view multiple terminals on one screen
[07:28] <aveilleux> renshai: I seem to recall something like... opening two terminal windows, one with two panels? I have poor recall skills
[07:28] <renshai> divided up horizontal or vertical and resized at will
[07:28] <aveilleux> renshai: Shouldn't all of the terminals resize to fit the window...?
[07:29] <aveilleux> renshai: Oh, you want to change the size of the panels, not the size of the whole window.
[07:29] <renshai> right
[07:29] <renshai> sorry if I was unclear
[07:29] <renshai> Have trouble vocalizing what I'm thinking sometimes
[07:31] <renshai> hmm, it has an option to run a custom command when it creates each terminal panel, wonder if I can configure it to resize AND run the programs I need somehow
[07:31] <renshai> Right now it's setup to run the programs I call on
[07:32] <CassandraKos> renshai ; this looks good, something to play with when I'm bored
[07:33] <aveilleux> renshai: You can call multiple commands on the same line with the &&, eg command1 && command2
[07:33] <renshai> Yeah looking for a command to resize now
[08:14] <CassandraKos> anyone got any idea why my USB hdd is invisible to the hal?
[08:37] <seidos> CassandraKos, erm, not sure.  did you try lsusb in a terminal to see if it is listed there?
[08:37]  * seidos grabs his flash drive
[08:40] <seidos> CassandraKos, yeah, if it's not listed in lsusb you might want to check that it is plugged in properly.
[08:46] <CassandraKos> seidos: I am sure i am plugging the drives in correctly, as one drive out of them works, but the other three do not.
[08:47] <CassandraKos> however, the three that will not work on this (ubuntu) system work on the other (kubuntuu/xubuntu) system, which is weird
[08:48] <seidos> CassandraKos, if it's not showing up in lsusb, then it might as well be unplugged according to the system O_o.  at any rate, lsusb is where i would start out.
[08:48] <CassandraKos> thanks
[08:49] <CassandraKos> it is where I started, but all it says is that i have nothing attached
[08:50] <CassandraKos> not to worry - this is not a critical issue
[08:51] <CassandraKos> however, while i have been here, my computer has thrown away two drives worth of data and now i am in trouble for sure
[08:52] <seidos> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[08:52] <seidos> maybe there's a bug in launchpad
[08:52] <CassandraKos> hardy
[08:53] <CassandraKos> there is something very strange going on in my system
[08:53] <seidos> oh, your question is more specific than i thought
[08:53] <CassandraKos> you looked up?
[08:53] <CassandraKos> a directory has just emptied itself
[08:54] <seidos> you said it is invisible to the hal.  i'm not even certain that usb devices go through the hal first.
[08:54] <CassandraKos> ah, the USB, no, I don't think it does, just the port is visible, mores the pity
[08:55] <CassandraKos> I spent ages trying to find it in hal before i worked out that it will never be there
[08:55] <CassandraKos> the joy of being a newbie
[08:56] <seidos> well, i had trouble with my usb flash drive not showing up in lsusb.  it is intermittent though.  what you are describing is different.
[08:56] <CassandraKos> but i think I just broke my system by installing dolphin, which is a bigger problem than just not being able to do backups
[08:56] <seidos> i think you are more knowledgeable than i am.
[08:56] <CassandraKos> my flash drives show up in lsusb, but not my imation 500Gb
[08:56] <seidos> sounds like you've done your research
[08:57] <CassandraKos> I try
[08:57] <CassandraKos> but I am not knowledgeable, as i think i just killed my filemanager
[08:58] <seidos> well, it could be a bug with your configuration.
[08:58] <seidos> knowledge is relative.
[08:58] <CassandraKos> I think it is, but how to find it is another issue!
[08:59] <CassandraKos> I have been suspecting nautilus, but since i was not using it when the files went away, it is looking less like the culprit
[08:59] <seidos> well, i'm not really sure what you've tried, or what you are doing.
[08:59] <CassandraKos> I am going to remove the whole flipping GUI and see if that helps
[08:59] <CassandraKos> I may be gone a while
[09:00] <seidos> you could just boot up, don't log in to the gui, then open a tty using alt-f1
[09:01] <CassandraKos> the gui starts without my help - there may be a cli login somewhere ... but I dunno where
[09:03] <seidos> there's the login window.  i guess it's a gui, but i know it doesn't load gnome unless you login.
[09:04] <seidos> your best bet actually would be to try a different linux kernel i think.  assuming your usb hd works on other systems.
[09:04] <seidos> same linux kernel on the other machines you tried it on?
[09:05] <CassandraKos> doubt it
[09:05] <CassandraKos> Ausu are pretty close-mouthed on that system and the terminal window is so small, I can't read the print
[09:06] <seidos> well, you can check what linux kernel the other systems are using if you want.
[09:06] <CassandraKos> seidor: I don't get a login window, but I think i can fix that
[09:07] <seidos> !tab | CassandraKos
[09:07] <ubot2> CassandraKos: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[09:08] <CassandraKos> that's clever
[09:09] <CassandraKos> what i know about irc could be written on an aspirin with a housebrick with room to sign your name
[09:09] <CassandraKos> been using tab at cli and it is useful
[09:09] <seidos> yeah, i don't know much about irc either.
[09:10] <CassandraKos> ﻿meanwhile, this filesystem error I have takes priority over the USB issue. I now have three of four drives that are pretending to be empty, but if I restart the computer, some of the directories and files will return, but not all. This is a big problem, as it means my system is no longer reliable.
[09:10] <seidos> i don't really know what the situation is.  but if i can help, i will.  if nothing else i can try to provide moral support
[09:10] <CassandraKos> it as all fine until I tried to upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04
[09:10] <seidos> there there
[09:10]  * seidos pats CassandraKos 
[09:11] <seidos> O_o
[09:11] <CassandraKos> ta - feels soothed
[09:11] <seidos> 10.04 huh?
[09:11] <CassandraKos> wish I'd never heard of it
[09:11] <CassandraKos> hate that update manager programme
a 10.04 cd wouldn't work on my notebook</whisper>
[09:12] <CassandraKos> that was the case with someone else earlier, but 8.04 installed and all he's having is wifi issues now
[09:13] <seidos> yeah, ubuntu didn't get a module for my wireless chipset until 9.04 i think it was.  at least, as far as i know.
[09:13] <seidos> i didn't really get how modules worked in ubuntu at the time, so didn't think to try modprobe ath5k
[09:13] <seidos> i don't think the ath5k module was on my system at the time though
[09:13] <CassandraKos> anyway, after the upgrade failed, I restarted and the fs was dead, so I ended up reinstalling 8.04, but the damage has been done to my data drives and i cannot work out how to fix them
[09:14] <CassandraKos> my friend has tired installing some athethos drivers, but he got sleepy and stopped before he got it going
[09:14] <seidos> oh, so there is corruption on your hard disks.  you already installed 8.04 over your previous installation?
[09:14] <CassandraKos> tried
[09:14] <CassandraKos> yes and no
[09:15] <CassandraKos> my OS lives on one drive and my data on others
[09:15] <CassandraKos> I installed 8.04 as a clean install
[09:16] <CassandraKos> then added the ubuntu-desktop
[09:16] <CassandraKos> but something weird is happening on my data drives
[09:17] <CassandraKos> and I can't make back-ups because I can't get my DVD writer to work or plug in my big USB drives.
[09:17] <CassandraKos> I keep crying, but that doesn't help at all
[09:17] <seidos> is the system with the problem connected to the internet?
[09:17] <CassandraKos> computers are unmoved by tears
[09:18] <CassandraKos> this is the system with the problem
[09:19] <CassandraKos> I think my directory files are being corrupted, but I do not know how or why
[09:19] <seidos> why don't you try transferring the data over the network?
[09:19] <seidos> in order to backup
[09:20] <CassandraKos> because we are talking about two terabytes of data
[09:20] <seidos> maybe your syslog will have some clues
[09:20] <CassandraKos> it would take about two weeks to back up
[09:20] <CassandraKos> maybe - syslog, eh? I'll see if I can find it
[09:21] <seidos> well, it should take 44 hours over 100 megabit network
[09:22] <seidos> just install apache and the system that is messed up
[09:22] <seidos> on too
[09:22] <seidos> then download over lan?
[09:23] <CassandraKos> but where would it go? I can't be paying someone to keep all my data for me, and have to dl it when i want to use it
[09:23] <CassandraKos> I have heard of apache, but have no idea what it is
[09:23] <CassandraKos> the point is, though, that directories should not empty themselves anyway
[09:23] <seidos> i thought you said you had extra computers
[09:24] <seidos> oh i agree with you, i'm just concerned about your data
[09:24] <CassandraKos> plenty - but only one internet connection
[09:24] <seidos> plus, i have no idea what might be causing it
[09:24] <seidos> it's such a strange problem, i thought you might have been cracked
[09:25] <seidos> probably not though
[09:25] <CassandraKos> that is where i am, too, but i figure, if I start out with a minimal system, maybe i can track what happens
[09:25] <seidos> well, you did a reinstall already and that didn't fix it
[09:25] <CassandraKos> I think it is the journaling nature of ext3 at the heart of the issue
[09:25] <seidos> but did the problem happen before you upgraded?
[09:26] <CassandraKos> I think it may have happened once before, and i did not notice it
[09:26] <seidos> i doubt it's caused by the "journaling nature of ext3"
[09:26] <CassandraKos> but it may have never happened before my aborted upgrade attempt
[09:27] <seidos> ah, it was an aborted upgrade attempt now.
[09:27] <CassandraKos> fair enough - it should not be, but i had this idea that the directory file may be not being written before the system does something else and journaling is an overhead on the fs
[09:28] <CassandraKos> the upgrade failed and my system froze, I left it alone for three days, in case it sorted itself out, then took away its power and restarted it - I think you'd call that an abotive attempt at an upgrade
[09:29] <seidos> i think that would be called a failed upgrade attempt
[09:29] <CassandraKos> fair enough
[09:30] <CassandraKos> I would call it failed if it said so, but aborted if you had to restart the system
[09:30] <CassandraKos> but that is just semantics
[09:32] <seidos> not sure.
[09:32] <seidos> i just heard that ext3 is part of the kernel.
[09:32] <CassandraKos> no
[09:32] <seidos> what did /var/log have to say?
[09:32] <seidos> oh, that isn't true?
[09:33] <CassandraKos> ext3 is a system like JFS, ext2, NTFS or FAT32/16
[09:34] <CassandraKos> ah, the log, I haven't read it yet, have to less it
[09:35] <seidos> backing up your data should take priority.  do you have another computer on your lan?
[09:35] <CassandraKos> it is still scrolling after I cat-ed it
[09:35] <CassandraKos> have no lan atm
[09:36] <seidos> oh, try vim or gedit to read the logs?
[09:36] <CassandraKos> I agree, I want to backup before i do anything else
[09:36] <CassandraKos> will try gedit
[09:36] <seidos> well, not sure how to get your usb drive working.  i'm really out of ideas.  oh!  do you have other linux kernels available when you boot up?
[09:36] <seidos> from grub?
[09:37] <seidos> dang 2TB of data.  that's a lot.
[09:38] <CassandraKos> don't hink there are other kernels installed - used to get a menu with one distro (Mepis?) and pick one, but don't get that option these days
[09:38] <seidos> i can only imagine what you have on there.
[09:38] <CassandraKos> that 2Tb is what is left after some vanished ...
[09:38] <seidos> you're using multiple distros?
[09:38] <CassandraKos> all my stargate sg1 files are missing in action and half my doctor whos
[09:39] <CassandraKos> only one distro at a time one any system
[09:39] <CassandraKos> I have documentaries and films, comedies and scifi files
[09:40] <CassandraKos> but no access to tlevision
[09:40] <CassandraKos> my computer is my media provide
[09:40] <seidos> same here.
[09:40] <seidos> i'm reading about mepis.  thanks.
[09:41] <CassandraKos> mepis is alright, but I could not get it to run samba successfully
[09:42] <seidos> why did you want samba?  you had windows clients accessing your system?
[09:42] <seidos> btw, haven't found anything in launchpad
[09:42] <CassandraKos> one xp system
[09:43] <seidos> haven't found a need for samba.
[09:43] <CassandraKos> me too - have been trawling launchpad about my fs issues for several weeks now
[09:43] <seidos> but i don't have anything to share.  i just share stuff on bit torrent
[09:43] <seidos> several weeks!
[09:43] <CassandraKos> do not need filesharing atm as the router power adapter broke a year ago in a thunderstorm
[09:44] <seidos> oh!  fsck.  i'm sure you tried this already :/
[09:45] <CassandraKos> fsck only wants to look at my smallest drive, I think
[09:45] <seidos> i should've thought of this earlier...but that doesn't solve the usb drive problem, unless it isn't connecting because of the corruption on your drive.  is the corruption you are noticing occurring on the drive with the os installed?
[09:46] <CassandraKos> no, the one reliable drive is the os one - it is an ancient 6Gb IDE drive that is fine
[09:47] <CassandraKos> I just tried fsck again, and it did it again - told me it can't run, an error about being unable to resolve a UUID
[09:47] <seidos> how did you run it?
[09:47] <CassandraKos> I had forgotten what it said last time, but this was it
[09:47] <seidos> i'm reading the man page :/
[09:47] <CassandraKos> in a terminal window - maybe I should be root to run it
[09:47] <CassandraKos> I'll try that
[09:49] <CassandraKos> ah - it likes me as root - but it want me to umount my filesystem first? how do you do that if you're running fsck from within the filesystem
[09:49] <seidos> that's why i'm reading the man page :/
[09:49] <CassandraKos> good luck - I read that one and it was all greek to me
[09:51] <seidos> well, if your drive is a data drive only, you should be able to unmount it without a problem
[09:51] <seidos> while your system is logged in
[09:51] <seidos> but you'll want to specify the data filesystem
[09:52] <CassandraKos> right - I need to issue parameters to fsck so it addresses the right drive/s
[09:52] <seidos> should be /dev/sdb-something-something
[09:52] <seidos> O_o
[09:52] <seidos> that's why i was asking how you were executing fsck
[09:52] <CassandraKos> I can do that. Which of them to try first? I think the least critical, with the incomplete files.
[09:52] <seidos> ah!  i could try on my usb flash drive
[09:53] <CassandraKos> was a good question
[09:53] <CassandraKos> you could
[09:53] <seidos> you shouldn't give up on reading the man page
[09:53] <seidos> it's good times
[09:53] <seidos> wooooo man pages!
[09:54] <CassandraKos> I want a better man page reader than opening them in termianl
[09:54] <seidos> really?
[09:54] <CassandraKos> sometimes I want to see two at once and couldn't manage that
[09:54] <seidos> oh
[09:54] <seidos> you can use screen...i just open multiple terminal windows
[09:54] <CassandraKos> maybe thiis terminator programme will let me do that
[09:55] <seidos> i think duanedesign is working on a tabbed terminal...or something.
[09:55] <seidos> haven't tried terminator, someone was mentioning it earlier.
[09:55] <seidos> do you have to compile it?
[09:55] <CassandraKos> even so, the pages are still a bit beyond me sometimes
[09:55] <CassandraKos> no - just apt-get it
[09:55] <seidos> i find that hard to believe
[09:56] <seidos> well, they're beyond me also, but that's the point of reading i guess
[09:56] <CassandraKos> yes, but a human being can help you find the command you need and you'd have to read and remember all the man pages for that
[09:57] <CassandraKos> I want to be able to search the text of the man pages for terms of interest
[09:57] <seidos> whoa, cool
[09:57] <seidos> terminator has tabs.  thanks
[09:57] <CassandraKos> I could probbly grep the data, if i could get the hang of grepping
[09:58] <seidos> i suck at grepping.  i also forgot where the search string goes, either before or after the file(s) i am grepping through
[09:58] <CassandraKos> thank sfsaint (or something like that) who told me about it
[09:58] <seidos> stlsaint
[09:58] <CassandraKos> thassit
[09:59] <CassandraKos> think it was that one - talked to lots of folk today
[09:59] <seidos> sorry, we're kind of getting off topic
[10:00] <CassandraKos> I'm fed up with my topic, my fs and all problems - I need a drink or something
[10:00] <CassandraKos> happy to discuss philosophy
[10:00] <CassandraKos> or how to grep
[10:01] <seidos> well, they say a glass of wine is good for your how
[10:01] <seidos> i'm trying to grep now
[10:01] <CassandraKos> as a break in the disaster stream
[10:01] <seidos> /usr/share/man right?
[10:01] <seidos> philosophy?  well here's some philosophy, what if your computer breaking is just bad karma...
[10:01] <CassandraKos> I don't yet have my grepping licence, so I only grep under instruction
[10:01] <seidos> how would you know?  O_o
[10:01] <CassandraKos> nah, not bad karma
[10:02] <seidos> well my teacher isn't around, so all i can do is drive haphazardly hoping not to hit anything.
[10:02] <CassandraKos> don't have any of that
[10:02] <seidos> i'm not sure
[10:02] <CassandraKos> I am my teacher, which is not good, but can't be helped
[10:03] <seidos> i am my teacher when my teacher isn't around...which is most of the time
[10:03] <CassandraKos> the breaking thing is because i use old hardware and ask it to do more than it can
[10:03] <CassandraKos> or more than it thinks it can, anyway
[10:04] <CassandraKos> this is a 500MHz system with a twelve-year-old mother board - it is amazing that it does anything
[10:04] <seidos> i used to play sophisticated 3d graphical games on a 450mhz system
[10:05] <CassandraKos> I still do
[10:05] <seidos> kind of wish i still had it
[10:05] <CassandraKos> Ascendancy, a dos game
[10:05] <seidos> i stopped playing 3d games...my computer doesn't really support them anymore
[10:05] <seidos> you have a dos emulator?
[10:05] <CassandraKos> I still have my old computers, most of them
[10:05] <seidos> i gave them all away except one, which i'm hoping to use as a web server some day
[10:06] <CassandraKos> I use wine for some things, but it can't play ascendancy, so it will be installed on a win98 system when I get it running
[10:06] <seidos> well, grep isn't recursive by default...it doesn't drill into directories
[10:07] <seidos> maybe there is an option for that though
[10:07] <seidos> windows?  blech.
[10:07] <CassandraKos> I have about a dozen computers in this room and five times that in the storeroom
[10:07] <seidos> dude, you're lucky.
[10:07] <seidos> i wish i could do that.
[10:07] <seidos> i couldn't afford the electricity
[10:07] <CassandraKos> I seem to recall grep has a recursive option
[10:08] <CassandraKos> only two are using power atm
[10:08] <seidos> ah
[10:08] <CassandraKos> all the others are ladies in waiting - systems aiting for me to help them work again
[10:09] <CassandraKos> I can relate  to that alias
[10:09] <seidos> so can i
[10:10] <CassandraKos> I think computers laugh at us sometimes
[10:10] <CassandraKos> I would, if I was one
[10:11] <seidos> interesting idea
[10:11] <seidos> could probably program a computer to emit a laugh sound
[10:11] <CassandraKos> they made a movie like that, I think it is called the matrix
[10:11] <seidos> where the computer laughs at humans?
[10:11] <CassandraKos> you can write a sound file that mimics laughter
[10:12] <seidos> how?
[10:12] <CassandraKos> I think the computer thinks it is human or something like that, but I don't think it laughs
[10:13] <CassandraKos> the easy way would be record yourself laughing - but a midi file could do it
[10:13] <CassandraKos> I could do it in PASCAL on my old Apple, but how to do it in c? Not there yet
[10:13] <CassandraKos> ask me in a month or to
[10:14] <CassandraKos> two
[10:14] <CassandraKos> am trying to learn c
[10:14] <seidos> fair enough
[10:14] <seidos> i already tried to learn c
[10:14] <seidos> and failed
[10:14] <seidos> i tried to learn spanish too
[10:14] <seidos> failed
[10:15] <CassandraKos> I had a progrmme on my hitchi (in 1981 or 1982) that winked and laughed at people
[10:15] <CassandraKos> hitachi computer, that was
[10:16] <CassandraKos> can't speak spanish either
[10:16] <seidos> i thought it would be cool if i could program my computer to talk to me
[10:16] <CassandraKos> but c, I will learn
[10:16] <CassandraKos> ksayit
[10:16] <seidos> i guess it kind of sings to me.
[10:17] <CassandraKos> lots of accessibility software to use your computer by voice control
[10:17] <seidos> are you good with bash?
[10:17] <CassandraKos> my Asus notebook does that
[10:17] <seidos> i tried using orca.  didn't work out so well.
[10:17] <CassandraKos> haven't met orca
[10:18] <CassandraKos> I'm not good with bash, but I use it all the time
[10:18] <seidos> it's supposedly for accessibility.
[10:18] <CassandraKos> am working through a bash tutorial atm
[10:18] <seidos> i'm not good with bash either.  i'm just not very good at thinking like a computer scientist
[10:18] <CassandraKos> that, I can do
[10:19] <seidos> i have a python book that i need to read.  learn python the hard way
[10:19] <CassandraKos> thinking like a human, now, that is not my forte
[10:19] <CassandraKos> python just strangled me
[10:19] <seidos> computer scientists are human
[10:19] <CassandraKos> are we?
[10:19] <seidos> well, i suppose, they need not be.
[10:19] <seidos> but if you are a human, and you're thinking like a computer scientist, aren't you thinking like a human?
[10:20] <CassandraKos> maybe
[10:20] <seidos> i must not know what you mean by "thinking like a human"
[10:20] <CassandraKos> let me just run that process a while and see
[10:20] <seidos> perhaps you mean in non-logical ways
[10:20] <CassandraKos> I seem to not think the way other people do
[10:21] <CassandraKos> logic is another idea
[10:21] <seidos> maybe.  i don't know.
[10:21] <CassandraKos> don't think I use it all the time
[10:21] <seidos> perhaps you don't think like humans because you know more than they know?
[10:21] <CassandraKos> but I can be logical, which is almost the same thing
[10:22] <CassandraKos> no, I know so little, that is not it
[10:22] <seidos> had this idea that intuition is really just a form of logic.
[10:22] <CassandraKos> I know lots of people know lots more than me
[10:22] <seidos> not sure what else there is to human thought.  feelings...logic.  what else is there?
[10:22] <CassandraKos> intuition is fast logic
[10:23] <seidos> unverified logic.
[10:23] <CassandraKos> thoguht is not always logical
[10:23] <CassandraKos> neither are my fingers
[10:23] <CassandraKos> bad typist
[10:24] <seidos> likewise
[10:24] <CassandraKos> intuition can operate within a verified framework, but it is not easy
[10:24] <shesaidshewas18> hi
[10:24] <shesaidshewas18> i have some problem that i think is serious
[10:24] <CassandraKos> verifying the framework is the tricky bit
[10:25] <CassandraKos> if you think it is serious, you are probably right
[10:25] <CassandraKos> would you like to tell us about it?
[10:25] <CassandraKos> tell us about it, i8
[10:26] <CassandraKos> I think fsck is gonna help me, so seidos must be a genius
[10:27] <seidos> i am no genius
[10:27] <CassandraKos> you suggested I try that again after I had discarded it
[10:27] <CassandraKos> two heads are better than one
[10:27] <seidos> if it works, then i got lucky.  but genius?  no.
[10:28] <CassandraKos> genius is opportunity plus luck
[10:28] <seidos> thought it was like 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration or something O_o
[10:28] <CassandraKos> to quote edison, 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration
[10:29] <CassandraKos> lol
[10:29] <CassandraKos> snap
[10:29] <CassandraKos> that, too, may be genius
[10:29] <CassandraKos> or common insanity
[10:30] <CassandraKos> I hope it was not serious
[10:30] <seidos> they never said their problem, must not have been
[10:31] <CassandraKos> well, I did ask ...
[10:31] <CassandraKos> sometimes even I can help
[10:34] <seidos> me too
[10:34] <seidos> but rarely
[10:35] <CassandraKos> all i need to know now is how to tell fsc which drive to check - I have tried three ways and it hated them all
[10:35] <CassandraKos> (reads man pages with puzzled look)
[10:36] <seidos> not sure, still trying to figure it out myself
[10:37] <philinux> fsck /dev/sdx where x is the drive in questio liek a or etc
[10:37] <philinux> a or b or c etc
[10:37] <CassandraKos> ah - I was not root
[10:38] <CassandraKos> a, this time, and it has errors, says fsck, so IT WORKS
[10:38] <philinux> I would use fsck -v /dev/sd? the -v is for verbose mode
[10:38] <CassandraKos> the fs really is broken
[10:39] <philinux> fsck can fix it though
[10:39] <CassandraKos> good idea
[10:39] <CassandraKos> ah - next problem - it is an ext3 system and fsck want it to be ext2
[10:40] <CassandraKos> is there an fsck for ext3?
[10:40] <CassandraKos> I think I was here a few weeks ago
[10:40] <CassandraKos> and there wasn't
[10:41] <CassandraKos> (looks for that python to strangle self again)
[10:41] <philinux> fsck can fix ext 2 3 and 4
[10:41] <CassandraKos> I still admire you seidos
[10:42] <CassandraKos> it seems to think not
[10:42] <seidos> CassandraKos, for what?  gave you no reason to
[10:42] <CassandraKos> it is complaining about it
[10:42] <philinux> what is the output of fsck -v /dev/sd?
[10:42] <CassandraKos> fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)
[10:42] <CassandraKos> e2fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)
[10:42] <CassandraKos> fsck.ext2: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[10:42] <CassandraKos> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda
[10:42] <CassandraKos> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[10:42] <CassandraKos> filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[10:42] <CassandraKos> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[10:42] <CassandraKos> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[10:42] <CassandraKos>     e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
[10:42] <philinux> Are you doing this from a livecd as the file system needs to unmounted
[10:43] <CassandraKos> no, I am only asking it to look at a drive I umounted
[10:43] <CassandraKos> or should that be umount-ed?
[10:44] <CassandraKos> not game to try a live cd yet, in case something i am running has my missing directory entries hidden within it
[10:45] <philinux> Run it from the recovery mode then
[10:45] <CassandraKos> maybe I just need to pass it an ext3 parameter
[10:45] <CassandraKos> tsck, I mean
[10:46] <CassandraKos> fsck
[10:46] <CassandraKos> arrgh!
[10:46] <CassandraKos> don't want to end this session yet, there are logs I can explore that might go away
[10:48] <CassandraKos> I have not learned how to find the logs of previous sessions yet
[10:49] <seidos> what happened to /var/log ?
[10:49] <seidos> well, that might not be what you're looking for
[10:50] <CassandraKos> I am ploughing through /var/log now, much says things I then have to look up, it will take a while
[10:51] <CassandraKos> am wikipedia-ing and looking elsewhere to explain what the log says
[10:51] <seidos> tried running fsck -ARa but it doesn't do anything.  i don't really have an umounted file system to check though.  ah, i know what to try.
[10:52] <CassandraKos> so far I haven't found anything  in the syslog that talks about any error, but I'm not expecting it to have called them that
[10:53] <CassandraKos> ubuntu usually tells you about errors, this problem, it is oblivious to
[10:57] <CassandraKos> I have one error at startup that might be my problem, but I can't find out what it means - the log says sr: Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]  so I am looking that up but it seems to be about my cdrom, which I already know has issues
[10:59] <seidos> how do you know it's happening at start up?
[11:00] <CassandraKos> these are the early lines in syslog, and it is a kernel error
[11:01] <seidos> makes sense
[11:01] <CassandraKos> it says it lots of times before it gives up and does something else
[11:01] <CassandraKos> there are over 13,000 lines in this log
[11:01] <CassandraKos> it will take some time to read them all
[11:02] <seidos> just scan it...or search for the word "error"
[11:03] <CassandraKos> it seems to be a complete record of everything that has happened since boot-up, as one might expect, and the word error appears on almost every line for the first few thousand lines
[11:03] <CassandraKos> any of them might be the culprit, if there is one
[11:03] <CassandraKos> I love computers
[11:03] <seidos> i'm trying to figure out how to set fsck to run on next boot
[11:04] <CassandraKos> if you can work that out, please tell me
[11:04] <seidos> that doesn't sound good.
[11:04] <seidos> paste your syslog...i'd like to look at it
[11:04] <CassandraKos> it never runs since I upgraded my fs from FAT32 toext3
[11:05] <seidos> seriously?
[11:05] <CassandraKos> not here - it is really long - or is there a clever way to minimise its impact on the chat screen?
[11:05] <seidos> oh, yeah, use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:06] <CassandraKos> it is 13573 lines - I will try that
[11:28] <seidos> CassandraKos, just read something about ext3 getting fragmented over time on the wiki.  maybe formatting and restoring from backup is your only hope since there is no defrag for ext3 :(
[11:32] <philinux> seidos: Only on systems with huge files like on a server.
[11:35] <seidos> philinux, CassandraKos said he had 2TB of data that is "disappearing"
[11:35] <philinux> seidos: Disappearing. Must have missed that before I joined
[11:36] <seidos> philinux, yeah.  i think that's what he said.  or vanishing.  well, it started out as "my external usb drive isn't working"
[11:39] <duanedesign> hello philinux
[11:39] <philinux> o/
[12:03] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:11] <philinux> Yo SF
[12:15] <Silver_Fox_> Hello philinux :)
[12:19] <philinux> How's the moderatin going
[12:19] <Silver_Fox_> Not bad,  think I have only upset one person so far ;)
[12:29] <CassandraKos> that took a while - I said paste to ubunut pastebin and everything went phut until just now
[12:30] <CassandraKos> patience is a virtue - that fragmenting thing sounds like a lead
[12:31] <CassandraKos> started out trying to bak up to usb or cd when I realised the stargate directory was empty
[12:32] <CassandraKos> still trying to work out what happened so I can stop it happening again - maybe switch to ext2
[12:36] <CassandraKos> I wonder what would have happened if I had pasted my syslog here when sidos asked me to? would you all have gone phut and would you have not welcomed me back? I am so glad i did not do that.
[13:01] <CassandraKos> I think the address of the syslog post is http://paste.ubuntu.com/501430/ but seidos has left
[13:30] <AbhiJit> hi
[13:33] <CassandraKos> hello
[15:36] <philinux> #ubuntuforums-mods
[15:36] <philinux> ignore
[15:59] <AbhiJit> hi
[16:03] <Silver_Fox_> Hello AbhiJit
[16:03] <AbhiJit> hi Silver_Fox_ :)
[16:21] <duanedesign> ubuntu app developer week sessions starting now in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:21] <AbhiJit> ohh
[16:22] <duanedesign> AbhiJit: you can find the weeks schedule here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek?action=show&redirect=UbuntuOpportunisticDeveloperWeek
[16:23] <AbhiJit> duanedesign, thanks
[16:26] <AbhiJit> duanedesign, is there any way to get the information / updates / keep up to date etc with all the 'user days' ?? i mean 'all'??
[16:28] <duanedesign> AbhiJit: there is a Google calendar that lists all the sessions that happen in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:28] <duanedesign> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2038
[16:28] <AbhiJit> duanedesign, ok i wll look thank you
[16:28] <duanedesign> open week, developer week, dev academy classes, packaging classes, etc
[16:30] <AbhiJit> duanedesign, now i added it to my google calender. but how will now google tell me 'automatically' one day before or so about an event?
[16:30] <AbhiJit> in ubuntu classrom that is.
[16:33] <duanedesign> AbhiJit: you can find the events you want reminders for and click on the event and select 'more details' there you can set a reminder for that event
[16:33] <AbhiJit> duanedesign, ok.
[16:33] <duanedesign> I also copy the event to 'my calendar'
[16:33] <AbhiJit> hmm
[16:34] <duanedesign> if you click on the event that is the other option next to my details
[16:34] <AbhiJit> yah
[18:09] <sinman> somehow I'm getting the command prompt to login, how can i get the graphical login to start, from my understsanding the runlevel had some how of might of chaqnged on me
[18:10] <philinux> sinman: what happens if you use startx from the prompt
[18:10] <sinman> it starts my desktop
[18:11] <sinman> I have to do that everytime i start or restart my computer
[18:11] <philinux> Ah so everything is ok until you rebbot again
[18:11] <sinman> right
[18:12] <sinman> when i reboot have to typoe in my username.password at the command prompt and the type in startx
[18:12] <philinux> Sounds like runlevel1 which is single user mode aka recovery
[18:13] <philinux> runlevel3 is the norm
[18:13] <philinux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Typical_Linux_runlevels
[18:14] <sinman> how would i change the runlevel so it would be runlevel 3
[19:37] <sinman> how can i view the start up logs
[19:37] <paultag> tail /var/log/boot.log
[19:37] <paultag> or something like that
[19:38] <paultag> I don't know how much will be there, ymmv
[19:38] <hobgoblin> sys -- admin - log file viewer
[19:38] <paultag> ty there hobgoblin
[19:39] <hobgoblin> welcome paultag :)
[19:40] <sinman> hobgoblin: thanxs
[19:41] <sinman> what i'm trying to figure out is why X starting on boot up
[20:28] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
[20:28] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone willing to proof a web page ?
[20:28] <bodhi_zazen> http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/ssh_security/
[20:30] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: looking good so far!
[20:31] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: only issue is "Firewall" make a note that be careful when doing this over ssh.
[20:32] <bodhi_zazen> good one drubin
[20:33] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: other then that very very informative!
[20:36] <mccrase90> hello everybody
[20:41] <bodhi_zazen> Thought you might like it drubin
[20:41] <bodhi_zazen> I tried not to make it too long, lol
[20:42] <hobgoblin> which was very very very hard
[20:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:44] <bodhi_zazen> I have one on TOR which is almost too long, lol
[20:44] <bodhi_zazen> putting the finishing touches on that one now, adding some screen shots.
[20:45] <bodhi_zazen> afk
[20:47] <drubin> TOR?
[20:49] <hobgoblin> a hill in cornwall drubin
[20:52] <drubin> lol
[21:13] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[21:33] <matrixOracle> is there a program that allows me to create rota's and store / print them?
[21:35] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo Silver_Fox_
[21:36] <bodhi_zazen> matrixOracle: what is a rota ?
[21:36] <matrixOracle> tells staff what time theyare at work. and for how long
[21:36] <matrixOracle> i have a program on windows. b8ut want to scrap windows ad use ubuntu
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> wow, this channel is quiet
[23:43] <pedro3005> one might view it as such
[23:49] <tenach> hello pedro3005 and bodhi_zazen
[23:49]  * pedro3005 tips hat at tenach 
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo tenach
[23:50] <tenach> Long time to see bodhi_zazen
[23:50] <stlsaint> bodhi_zazen: yo yo yo
[23:51] <stlsaint> bodhi_zazen: hey i came across a vps site owner in the nginx channel who gave me a template already preconfigured with nginx and rest of LAMP (minus the A ) :D
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> nice stl =)
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> nice stlsaint =)
[23:55] <stlsaint> bodhi_zazen: still trying to wrap my head around nginx but im getting there
[23:55] <stlsaint> bodhi_zazen: thanks also, my server is running great
[23:56] <stlsaint> pedro3005: yo