[02:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: that is a newspaper report about Sofware Freedom day
[02:23] <nigelb> But the point is dholbach was on the paper :)
[02:24] <duanedesign> morning mr nigel
[02:24] <nigelb> morning duanedesign :)
[03:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: oh oh http://www.cvoid.com/ubuntu/bqueries/ways-to-know-the-world-of-ubuntu/
[03:14] <duanedesign> nigelb: cool
[03:15] <duanedesign> thats great that -classroom got mentioned
[03:17] <nhandler> nigelb: Who made that post?
[03:19] <nigelb> nhandler: no clue.
[03:19] <nigelb> Just found it off some tweet
[04:58] <doctormo> http://1roxtar.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Life-Re-Started-180640652 <- This is why we do Ubuntu
[05:19] <nigelb> doctormo: good one
[05:22] <doctormo> nigelb: Part of the reason I watch the art community, it's full of brand new users who aren't connected at all to the rest of the community yet.
[05:23] <nigelb> :)
[05:23] <doctormo> You know I have blog entries scheduled until Wednesday :-D It's been a busy weekend.
[05:28] <doctormo> nigelb: We have 447 members and clocking up still, I'm waiting for 500 and then I'll make a post about the awesome group and some awesome artwork.
[05:39] <duanedesign> doctormo: kind of reminds me of a poster i did a log time ago. In theme, not style. http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/files/UbuntuPoster-Small-Virus.png
[05:40] <doctormo> duanedesign: Ah you did that! it's very good :-D
[05:41] <duanedesign> doctormo: i am doing less graphic design for work these days, so i hope to do more for fun now
[05:42] <doctormo> duanedesign: Please do show us your stuff, maybe do an art swap or collab with me.
[05:48] <duanedesign> i just noticed some spam links in the descriptions on spreadubuntu
[05:49] <duanedesign> darn spammers
[05:49] <JanC> doctormo: maybe also watch a person operating under the name "bartart3d" (or "bartart3dbe" on youtube) then   ☺
[05:49] <JanC> http://www.bartart3d.be/
[05:51] <doctormo> JanC: A known ubuntu artist who helps out in the community?
[05:53] <JanC> currently he's not active in the community, but I know him since before he started using Ubuntu, so I know some of the things he's capable of  ☺
[05:53] <JanC> if I would need somebody to do something music-related I would call him though  ☺
[05:54] <JanC> actually, I should try to see him again some time, it's been 3 or 4 years  :-/
[05:58] <doctormo> JanC: We have a music competition going on in dA, I'm in a band entering doing the lyrics, one other is doing the cover and one other still is doing the music. fun on a bun
[06:00] <JanC> dA = DeviantArt I suppose?
[06:00] <JanC> they do music now?
[06:02] <JanC> he actually started to use open source *after* I last saw him, which is quite funny  ☺
[06:04] <JanC> somehow he started to play with Blender (after trying & throwing away limited "student/test versions" of commercial tools) and was so impressed that he thought maybe other open source software was capable too  ☺
[06:08] <duanedesign> thats nice, I often think FireFox is a good tool for that
[06:09] <duanedesign> Showing people FOSS is capable an that open source != crap. Asking someone to try FF is also a much smaller step then an entire OS
[06:10] <JanC> well, he probably knew firefox already too, but firefox doesn't make it as obvious that it's open source (*all* web browsers are available for free after all)
[06:14] <JanC> but when professional 3D tools cost somewhere between 500 & 10000 EUR, en then Blender costs 0 EUR, people start to look why, I guess
[06:15] <JanC> well, and > 10000 EUR too of course
[06:26] <JanC> http://www.youtube.com/user/bartart3dbe#p/u/3/rsRa_RvqjAQ is a video clip of one of the music projects he was involved in (but not exactly the most "poppy" one, this is sort of industrial noise ;) )
[07:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:35] <duanedesign> howdy
[07:35] <nigelb> czajkowski: heya!
[07:43] <ara> good morning!
[08:04] <kim0> Morning folks
[10:01] <duanedesign> morning ara kim0
[10:03] <ara> morning duanedesign
[10:05]  * duanedesign has been learning about the opensource 3d printer project this morning
[10:05] <duanedesign> RepRap
[10:10] <AlanBell> it is cool
[10:10] <AlanBell> and it can print itself, which is really cool
[10:17] <duanedesign> AlanBell: yes, i was just trying to find a local usergroup. Looks like there is one just 1.5 hours down the highway :)
[10:33] <nigelb> morning duanedesign :)
[10:33] <nigelb> I suppose you don't have sleep anymore
[10:35] <duanedesign> nigelb: i was off between 1:36 and 4:03 :)
[10:36] <duanedesign> nigelb: have you found out about your visa yet?
[10:47] <jussi> duanedesign: keepassx seems to be something similar - you can save the password file to a mounted share, whcih seems to acheive what we are after.
[11:27] <duanedesign> jussi: aha, thank you
[11:37]  * duanedesign is working on a creative uses for ubuntu one blog post.
[11:37] <duanedesign> but i am having trouble coming up with a cron job that will take a screenshot of your desktop every N minutes and save with a unique name.
[11:37] <duanedesign> http://paste.rtg.in.ua/2cd563e9b4a630e2abbdee668b2187a9/
[11:39] <popey> downloading torrents being a good thing to promote?
[11:40] <popey> (Yes, I know fully that it's _possible_ to download legal content via torrent)
[11:50] <jussi> popey: we promote torrents for all ubuntu releases, why not for other stuff?
[11:54] <popey> other stuff like?
[11:59] <AlanBell> debian releases
[11:59] <popey> :)
[12:00] <AlanBell> I would say just add an example to the article of a perfecly legitimate torrent download that one might want to add remotely
[12:00] <popey> yup
[12:00] <popey> less ambiguous
[12:01] <AlanBell> duanedesign: so add to that paragraph: so whilst out and about you can add the torrent link to the latest Ubuntu server and have the .iso ready to burn when you get home
[12:01] <popey> the prime example of how not to do this was the blog post Danny P wrote about 'first thing to do after you install ubuntu' and showed himself downloading all kinds of TV programmes, and music..
[12:01] <AlanBell> or something like that
[12:04] <duanedesign> AlanBell: popey thank you, good advice
[12:04] <popey> I still think the webcam idea is a good one
[12:04] <popey> remotely monitor your home
[12:06] <doctormo> jussi: Nice catch on my blog, fully updated and should be much more correct now.
[12:09] <duanedesign> popey: and the commandline tool for that is 'webcam'?
[12:10] <doctormo> JanC: Yes but Blender3D cost $100,000 when it was bought from NeoGeo's assets auction. Yet another example of free and open source _not_ being free, but merely paid for by someone else.
[12:11] <doctormo> popey: Download Sita Sings the Blues via torrent :-)
[12:22] <doctormo> duanedesign: Re your cron job problem, could it be the problem with cronjobs not having access to Xserver environment variables?
[12:36] <duanedesign> doctormo: hmmm, that would explain why $HOME/screenshots didnt work :P
[12:37] <doctormo> Anyone notice how that wikileaked EU doc 'propritary' and replaces it with 'commercial'. It bloody annoys me to know to know that this can still work.
[13:47] <greg-g> popey, AlanBell jussi: use legaltorrents.com, maybe? :)
[14:03] <jcastro> anyone interested in a quick project?
[14:04] <jcastro> http://code.google.com/webfonts
[14:04] <jcastro> can someone find out how debian/ubuntu friendly these licenses are?
[14:04] <jcastro> MORE FONTS WOULD BE AMAZING
[14:04] <AlanBell> very, they are mostly OFL
[14:04] <AlanBell> which is specifically DFSG friendly
[14:04] <jcastro> oh nice
[14:04] <jcastro> so basically, we just need them packaged up
[14:04] <AlanBell> project complete!
[14:05] <AlanBell> yeah, by the sound of it Mark wants the new Ubuntu font to be submitted there as well
[14:05] <jcastro> that would be slick
[14:05] <jcastro> so people can just use it on their websites
[14:06] <AlanBell> yup
[14:06] <AlanBell> it will be hosted on font.ubuntu.com too, but putting it on google means more people will discover it's awesomeness
[14:06] <jcastro> oh, nice
[14:06] <jussi> some nice stuff there
[14:06] <jcastro> I didn't know about font.u.c
[14:07] <jussi> nor did I
[14:09] <jcastro> I'll ask Ken to package em up
[14:13] <AlanBell> do you happen to know who does Evolution stuff?
[14:14] <AlanBell> here are all the fonts in the google web font thing http://code.google.com/p/googlefontdirectory/source/browse/
[14:16] <AlanBell> some are apache, some are OFL
[14:16] <AlanBell> oh, looks like there are some issues on some of the OFL.txt files!
[14:16] <AlanBell> http://code.google.com/p/googlefontdirectory/source/browse/felltypes/OFL.txt
[14:17] <AlanBell> they just dropped the license text in without filling in the blanks
[14:17] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/648873
[14:17] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 648873 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Google Fonts (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:17] <jcastro> oh awesome, AlanBell can you add that to the bug report?
[14:18] <AlanBell> done
[14:18] <paultag> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583619
[14:18] <ubot2> Debian bug 583619 in wnpp "RFP: otf-googlefonts -- Free Web Fonts by Google" [Wishlist,Open]
[14:18] <paultag> upstream jcastro, AlanBell
[14:18] <jcastro> nice, thanks!
[14:19] <jcastro> I will link
[14:19] <paultag> cheers
[14:19] <paultag> good luck, thanks yall,  that would rock
[14:19] <paultag> Righto, off to the pool for a swim
[14:19] <jcastro> off to get caffeine
[14:23] <akgraner> woo hoo - App Developer Week Starts today :-)
[14:24] <akgraner> AlanBell, are you using slides today for your session?
[14:25] <doctormo> akgraner: What time am I on?
[14:25] <akgraner> doctormo, 1700 UTC
[14:26] <AlanBell> akgraner: I am not going to do anything special with lernid or anything, might just refer to some links as I go along
[14:26] <doctormo> Tah luv
[14:26] <akgraner> AlanBell, okie dokie - that makes it easier
[14:26] <akgraner> :-)
[14:27] <doctormo> jcastro: That fonts link crashes Firefox in lucid, reproducibly :-/
[14:27] <akgraner> for me anyway  - b/c I would have to find someone to make sure Lernid and Classbot are pulling in the information for your slides and I don't know how to do that part...
[14:33] <jcastro> popey: pitivi uses submodules in git, so I couldn't import their code into lp.
[14:33] <jcastro> popey: other than that, everything else would work, (heh)
[14:33] <jcastro> popey: I am going to help the shotwell guys set up this week.
[14:36] <duanedesign> thanks for the reminder akgraner. my reminder failed to go off this morning to remind me of app dev week
[14:37] <popey> nnice one jcastro
[14:37] <akgraner> duanedesign, you are most welcome
[14:38] <duanedesign> :)
[14:38] <duanedesign> need to start tweeting/denting and an email to the Beginners Team ML to pass on the reminder
[14:40] <akgraner> classbot will start doing that soon as well - but yep that's a good idea :-)
[14:56] <akgraner> jcastro, cc'd you on the reminder email to the session leaders for today
[14:57] <jcastro> okey dokey!
[14:57] <jcastro> lol I guess I better check on the OW speakers
[14:57] <akgraner> jcastro, speaking of OW did you see my email to you about that
[14:57] <jcastro> yeah didn't we talk about that last week?
[14:58] <akgraner> I know you were looking for new session leads but is it ok to send it out to the past session leaders
[14:58] <jcastro> man, only one post on my call for instructors on the forums. :(
[14:58] <akgraner> not about that that I recall
[14:58] <jcastro> oh yeah, I believe I read that last night and was supposed to tell you something like "you've done like 5 of these there's no reason to ask me for permission for anything"
[14:58] <jcastro> :)
[14:58] <jcastro> aka. go ahead!
[14:59] <akgraner> jcastro, :-P ok point taken
[15:10] <sense> good afternoon
[15:11] <cjohnston> good morning
[15:16] <doctormo> hey sense
[15:16] <jcastro> hi sense
[15:16] <sense> hello cjohnston, doctormo, jcastro!
[15:31] <akgraner> jcastro, here is what apw had to say about OW - <apw> akgraner, have we really scheduled the next openweek the day after release, when half the team will have been working all weekend? apw> akgraner, heh good luck with that
[15:31] <cjohnston> lol
[15:31] <cjohnston> :-/
[15:35]  * highvoltage happens to kind of agree :)
[15:43] <jono> hey all
[15:45] <AlanBell> hi jono
[15:46] <doctormo> Morning Jono
[15:47] <jono> hey AlanBell, doctormo
[16:04] <akgraner> hey jcastro are you join -classroom -chat and -backstage?
[16:05] <nigelb> heya all
[16:05] <nigelb> akgraner: heh, Nice mail
[16:06] <nigelb> (the one about open week)
[16:06] <akgraner> ahh ok
[16:52] <doctormo> I love geek jokes, ubuntu one's are even better: http://alkore31.deviantart.com/art/Resistance2-180708758
[17:28] <doctormo> I'm after some graph visualisation software, I was going to use Graph::Render perl lib, but I'd rather not write my own if one exists already to show data over time.
[17:52] <jcastro> <--- lunch
[18:00] <nigelb> oh, jcastro is around :/
[18:00] <nigelb> Pendulum, akgraner: ^^ Here is the elusive Jorge O Castro
[18:00] <Pendulum> nigelb: well, not now
[18:02] <doctormo> ready and waiting
[18:02] <JFo> Jorge O'Castro?
[18:02] <JFo> I didn't know jcastro was Irish!?
[18:02] <nigelb> JFo: Jorge O. Casto
[18:03] <JFo> I think it is a conspiracy between him and Jon O'Bacon
[18:03]  * maco remembers JFo's Jon O'Bacon shirt
[18:03] <JFo> :)
[18:04] <nigelb> JFo: hahhah
[18:04] <nigelb> JFo: hrm, you seem to be back your normal self, I presume you're back home?
[18:04] <JFo> yes, but I am not yet on the right sleep schedule
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[18:04] <nigelb> heh
[18:05] <nigelb> that reminds me I should sleep
[18:05]  * JFo pretends nigelb is a snipe and beats the brush
[18:06]  * nigelb cries unfair.
[18:06] <nigelb> JFo: Its 10:30 pm, I have my rights :p
[18:06] <JFo> :-/
[18:06] <JFo> the right to remain silent ;-)
[18:06] <nigelb> haha
[18:07] <doctormo> slides don't work
[18:47] <Technoviking> jono: ping
[18:48] <jono> hey Technoviking
[18:50] <Technoviking> jono: Do you want to talk to the people on the ubuntu-users mailing list that is popey headaches? I was going to move he be ban from the list, but wanted to see if you wanted to have a talk with him first
[18:52] <jono> Technoviking, I just haven't had time to check into it yet, can you give me a few hours to catch up?
[18:52] <jono> I think Iwill talk to him
[18:52] <Technoviking> jono: no problems
[18:53] <Technoviking> jono: thanks! let us know how it goes
[18:53] <jono> thanks, pal!
[18:55] <jono> jcastro, can we delay our call until later?
[18:55] <jono> I am slammed
[18:55] <jcastro> yes please
[18:55] <jcastro> I am in the same boat
[18:56] <jono> good man
[18:56] <jono> thanks, pal
[18:56] <jcastro> just whenever is fine with me
[18:56] <jono> cheers
[18:56]  * Technoviking orders more coffee and metal for Mr. castro and Mr. Bacon
[18:56] <jono> Technoviking, cheers, dude!
[18:56] <jono> send over some meth while you are at it
[18:56] <jono> :P
[18:57] <jcastro> meth? I've graduated to pure heroin!
[18:57] <AlanBell> O.o
[18:58] <paultag> erm, awesome.
[18:58] <paultag> jcastro, I see you're living like a true Michigan-er
[18:59] <Technoviking> crap, I'm still at beer and scotch level, have not unlocked meth and herion achivement:)
[19:19] <AlanBell> nigelb: seen the new rupee symbol?
[19:30] <doctormo> AlanBell: Show us!
[19:32] <AlanBell> bug 645987
[19:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 645987 in ubuntu-font-family "Symbol: add U+20B9 INDIAN RUPEE SIGN to currency block (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645987
[19:38] <AlanBell> http://www.idc.iitb.ac.in/events/Indian_Rupee_Symbol.pdf the definition of it is really cool
[20:30] <jcastro> <-- caffeine break
[20:32] <doctormo> jcastro: You have special breaks for caffeine?
[20:37] <sense> A last notice to people planning to travel to the US from the EU soon: if you travel to the US you will have to fill in online information before you can depart. This online registration costs 15 dollar and can only be paid for with a creditcard. The creditcard data will be kept for (at least) a year. Combined with the renewed SWIFT treaty you should be careful when picking a creditcard, and you can do nothing against entering the general
[20:37] <sense>  information online, which will also be kept.
[20:40]  * highvoltage wishes that traveling to the US was more avoidable
[20:41] <jcastro> doctormo: that was a special way of saying "I'll be gone for 10 minutes while I hit the corner store"
[20:42] <doctormo> Ah, thanks. UDS planning going well?
[20:44] <jcastro> if "totally empty schedule" is well, then YEP!
[21:17] <doctormo> At least empty means "full of possibilities"