[00:28] <Sarvatt> bryceh: i think i found your dream video card - http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/powercolor-hd5970-eyefinity-12-makes-six-screens-yesterdays-new/
[00:28] <Sarvatt> crossfire 2 of those bad boys :)
[00:36] <RAOF> How many non-DP monitors can it drive?
[00:44] <andrewaclt> RAOF, the issue I'm having is worse in the vanilla kernel, rather than unfreezing after 2-4 minutes, it stays frozen...left it for 30 minutes before rebooting.
[00:44] <RAOF> Ok.
[00:52] <RAOF> andrewaclt: I'd suggest popping up in #intel-gfx.
[00:53] <andrewaclt> I'm more than happy to debug it and try and write a patch for it, but I'm over my head when it comes to xorg/gfx drivers.
[00:53] <andrewaclt> RAOF, thanks
[00:58] <RAOF> ickle's the man to talk to.
[01:02] <andrewaclt> thanks
[01:02] <ScottK> RAOF: I just accepted a kdebase-workpace upload the has some kwin fixes in it.  They are limited to fixes inside the blur effect, so I don't think it will have any impact on the changes you all have been pursuing, but FYI.
[01:02] <RAOF> Ta.
[01:04] <RAOF> ScottK: Want to test the new -intel that doesn't segfault on logout and actually works when you log in the second time?
[01:05] <ScottK> RAOF: Yes, but probably not until my morning.
[01:05] <RAOF> Cool.
[03:05] <nigelb> g32
[07:33] <RAOF> Anyone feel like some mesa & intel DDX sponsorship?
[08:11] <mvo> RAOF: where is the diff?
[08:11] <mvo> RAOF: I can do that
[08:11] <RAOF> mvo: http://cooperteam.net/Packages/
[08:17] <mvo> RAOF: looking now
[08:17] <RAOF> Thanks muchly!
[08:29] <mvo> RAOF: that "e30f0338" is directly applied and not a quilt patch is intentional, right? because you maintain the thing full-source in git?
[08:29] <RAOF> mvo: Right.  That's the pkg-xorg way.
[08:29] <mvo> ok, thanks. its fine, I upload now
[11:06] <tseliot> mvo: are you migrating nvidia-173 and -96 to nouveau on dist-upgrades? Or are you only doing it for -71?
[11:08] <mvo> tseliot: it will only migrate if no /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so is there anymore after the upgrade
[11:13] <tseliot> mvo: that would work, as long as nvidia-173 and nvidia-96 are removed by the upgrade as they won't provide xserver-xorg-video-8. Can you confirm that this is what happens?
[11:15] <mvo> tseliot: I can run a test upgrade with them, sure
[11:16] <tseliot> mvo: that would really help. I just want to make sure that X is not removed
[14:27] <OwaisL> hello X people... what is the state of Intel GM 965 and clutter? Anyone know?
[14:28] <Sarvatt> that should be the most supported chipset with regards to clutter, but it is clutter.. :)
[14:29] <OwaisL> so the bug is in clutter not the drivers..?
[14:29] <Sarvatt> i'm not aware of any issues with that combination at the moment
[14:29] <Sarvatt> what bug?
[14:30] <OwaisL> well, mutter apps don't run on 965
[14:30] <OwaisL> Unity, Shell
[14:30] <OwaisL> they work if CLUTTER_VBLANK=none
[14:30] <Sarvatt> do you have a bug on launchpad? 
[14:30] <OwaisL> i think yes
[14:31] <OwaisL> it's almost a year old
[14:31] <OwaisL> there is another issue on Unity
[14:31] <OwaisL> with 965
[14:31] <Sarvatt> what distro? because 965 is well tested on current maverick
[14:31] <Sarvatt> err what release rather
[14:31] <OwaisL> the launcher crashes on a mouseover... but someone is working on it
[14:31] <OwaisL> I'm on maverick.. with lastest updates
[14:32] <Sarvatt> its most likely something odd with your specific setup, can you file a new bug on launchpad with ubuntu-bug xorg so we can see your logs?
[14:34] <Sarvatt> the launcher crashing on mouseover is most likely a unity bug, but needing CLUTTER_VBLANK=none to start shouldn't still be happening at the moment..
[14:34] <OwaisL> I don't think so.. I think lots of people have it.. I'll look for a bug on LP and file it if it is not there
[14:44] <Sarvatt> RAOF: looks like your KDE problem has been around for a long time now.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9517771
[14:50] <OwaisL> Sarvatt: while file should i attach? Xorg.log ?
[14:50] <Sarvatt> OwaisL: if you just run ubuntu-bug xorg in a terminal it'll attach everything for you
[14:50] <OwaisL> ok
[14:51] <OwaisL> Sarvatt: Your gdm log files may help developers diagnose the bug, but may contain sensitive information.  
[14:51] <OwaisL> what could it contain
[14:51] <OwaisL> my login pass at most
[14:51] <OwaisL> right?
[14:52] <Sarvatt> no, thats not really true anymore, it contains your /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well as any console error output for GDM
[14:52] <Sarvatt> it used to have ~/.xsession-errors that could have like the names of the mp3 files you were playing in it
[14:52] <OwaisL> ahh
[14:53] <OwaisL> not a problem
[14:53] <Sarvatt> those logs are really helpful though, they have a deeper history of previous xorg.0.log's than x stores
[14:59] <OwaisL> Sarvatt: here you go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/648928
[14:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 648928 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Cannot use Unity or Shell with Intel 965GM (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:04] <Sarvatt> thanks OwaisL 
[15:10] <Sarvatt> chrisccoulson: you're on gm965 right? are you having any problems starting unity with current maverick?
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt, i've not tried it today
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> one second
[15:14] <Sarvatt> looks like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/648625 is similar for the right click crash, people want to blame mesa but thats not mesa..
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 648625 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "mutter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_strconcat() (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt, yeah, unity just crashes here
[15:24] <Azelphur> Hi, someone told me it's possible to join 2 Twinview sessions together with xrandr to create one big screen without xinerama, is this possible? :)
[15:37] <victorp> RAOF - been told by tseliot that you are the person to ask about a monitor problem I am having with 10.4
[15:39] <tseliot> or Sarvatt (RAOF lives in Australia, therefore I think it's a little late there)
[15:39] <victorp> ah ok!
[15:40] <victorp> no ofense meant Sarvatt :)
[15:41] <victorp> back in a sec
[15:43] <jcristau> might be useful to say what the problem is rather than hope people will guess
[15:45] <tseliot> he has a dell vostro 3300 with intel graphics, running 10.4 - and connected to an external monitor (via VGA) the external monitor is flickering/wavering constantly
[15:45] <tseliot> I thought of a pipe underrun but there's no trace in the logs
[15:46] <tseliot> dmesg: http://pastebin.com/nrNe7rQS
[15:46] <tseliot> Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/vZ3LNVvs
[15:46] <jcristau> i don't think you'd get anything in the log if you don't enable some sort of debug option
[15:47] <jcristau> even if it was pipe underrun
[15:47] <victorp> back now
[15:49] <tseliot> victorp: I have explained what kind of problem you are experiencing
[15:50] <tseliot> jcristau: I thought he would have had something like this in the log: (EE) intel(0): underrun on pipe A!
[15:51] <jcristau> tseliot: not on kms
[15:52] <tseliot> jcristau: aah, right, kms. What level of drm debugging do you suggest?
[15:53] <tseliot> 1 may be a bit excessive
[15:54] <Sarvatt> 4 would have the equivalent
[15:55] <tseliot> victorp: can you type the following command, please?
[15:55] <tseliot> echo 4 | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug
[15:55] <tseliot> as Sarvatt suggested
[15:55] <tseliot> then "echo 0 | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug"
[15:56] <Sarvatt> trying to find any bugs with the same issue
[15:57] <victorp> tseliot - done, and now?
[15:57] <tseliot> victorp: please pastebin your dmesg again
[15:57] <tseliot> victorp: it should be more verbose now
[15:58] <victorp> ok - so restart first then :)
[15:58] <tseliot> victorp: why?
[15:59] <victorp> tseliot - ok
[15:59] <tseliot> victorp: it should be fine as long as you did as I told you while the external monitor was connected and flickering
[15:59] <tseliot> I mean, the current dmesg
[16:00] <tseliot> (without rebooting)
[16:00] <victorp> http://pastebin.com/bQBZeU9b
[16:00] <victorp> flickering all the time
[16:00] <victorp> non-stop wave
[16:05] <tseliot> victorp: maybe disable the external screen, then "echo 4 | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug", enable the external screen and let it flicker and finally "echo 0 | sudo tee /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug" and post your dmesg again
[16:06] <Sarvatt> victorp: can you try with a newer kernel to be sure the problem isn't fixed upstream already and help narrow it down if so? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.36-rc5-maverick/
[16:07] <Sarvatt> found some upstream bugs - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28306
[16:07] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 28306 in DRM/Intel "[Arrandale] VGA output buggy (wavering/out-of-phase-ness)" [Major,New]
[16:08] <victorp> Sarvatt - I am running 10.4 at the moment but I will upgrade to maverik today - then I can also try rc5
[16:08] <tseliot> I think you can try that kernel in lucid too
[16:09] <victorp> cant see it in the mainline
[16:09] <victorp> you mean just use the same kernel build in lucid?
[16:09] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28858
[16:09] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 28858 in Driver/intel "[Arrandale] external monitor flicker" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
[16:10] <Sarvatt> yeah you can just install the kernel there on lucid, the maverick part means its using the maverick kernel config options
[16:10] <victorp> ok - I will try that now
[16:35] <Sarvatt> victorp: Hmm, can you try running at a 75hz refresh rate resolution to see if it goes away?
[16:35] <Sarvatt> oh he's gone
[16:47] <victorp> sarvatt I tried the kernel you suggested and also Maverick beta from a CD still have the continous flicker
[16:48] <Sarvatt> victorp: do you have any 75hz+ refresh rate resolutions available on the vga output? can you see if they work properly?
[16:50] <victorp> they dont on 2.6.32  - would need to try 2.6.36 would that make a difference?
[16:50] <Sarvatt> nah thats ok, saw someone in another bug saying 75hz+ worked fine on the lucid kernel so its not the same at least
[16:52] <victorp> seem that 28858 was closed as a duplicate of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28306
[16:52] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 28306 in DRM/Intel "[Arrandale] VGA output buggy (wavering/out-of-phase-ness)" [Major,New]
[16:52] <victorp> which seems still open?
[16:54] <Sarvatt> yeah dupe isn't really closed, its still tracked on the open bug
[16:55] <victorp> any thought? it seems that the bug has plenty of logs already
[16:58] <Sarvatt> i'm at a loss, asking over in #intel-gfx, you may want to join there in case someone responds
[17:13] <bryceh> Sarvatt, good god man
[17:13] <bryceh> Sarvatt, 12 monitors?  drool...
[17:24] <victorp> Sarvatt - any luck?
[17:31] <Sarvatt> no nothing yet, I'm sorry
[17:32] <victorp> no worries, let me know if something comes up
[18:46] <Sarvatt> would anyone be willing to take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/649137 to see if it is sane? 
[18:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 649137 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz Sandybridge blacklist is no longer needed. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:47] <Sarvatt> sorry for all of the compiz uploads, we didn't decide to just disable DRI completely on them until recently in hopes it would be working in 7.9 like we were told
[19:05] <bryceh> Sarvatt, what got blacklisted?
[19:07] <Sarvatt> all sandybridge GPU's
[19:08] <Sarvatt> i just blacklisted them in compiz so the desktop would come up but that only fixed ubuntu-desktop, intel was saying 3D would be working for the Q3 release (mesa 7.9) but it isn't going to happen so we disabled DRI completely on them
[19:13] <Sarvatt> mesa 7.9 rc1 released
[19:14] <Sarvatt> final due october 4th