[00:00] <yofel> is /etc/resolv.conf properly set to a DNS server?
[00:00] <craig> Also how do I go about enabling free/non-free...?  I really need to use the official Debian bluez-firmware package to keep my BCM2045's Firmware up to date...
[00:00] <notlistening> I also tried first setting static information for my network address which did not help
[00:00] <notlistening> so not a DHCP issue
[00:00] <notlistening> maybe the mix of Beta 1 & updates coming through on the install screwed with something
[00:00] <craig> I have also heard people talking about my ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 needing Firmware installed in order to work correctly...
[00:00] <notlistening> oh and web pages will not load but good fires up nicely after a search is hangs and never returns other webpages
[00:00] <yofel> craig: we don't support  installing debian packages in ubuntu, and ubuntu doesn't have a bluez-firmware package
[00:00] <notlistening> *good = google
[00:01] <scummos> any way to install 10.10 without cd rom drive? :/
[00:01] <scummos> i'm out of ideas
[00:01] <scummos> unetbootin won't work
[00:02] <yofel> usb-creator ?
[00:02] <craig> Well: I insist on using KDE & the only other up to date KDE4 distros like Fedora Core 13 & Sidux have issues with this particular PC laptop...
[00:03] <craig> I'm not too happy about the Debian Gnome agenda of theirs to be perfectly honest...
[00:03] <SaRy> Hello guys , is there any kernel bug lately .. i have a serious issue .
[00:06] <craig> I would love to try LFS or even Gentoo but their how-tos don't cover AMD64 in the case of LFS or Open64 in the case of Gentoo...
[00:26] <scummos> yofel: is that available for non-ubuntu-systems?
[00:26] <scummos> whey it works
[00:26] <scummos> xD
[00:26] <scummos> usb-creator
[00:26] <scummos> "Installation failed."
[00:26] <scummos> o ok
[00:26] <scummos> yofel: it won't work. it tells me it can't install the bootloader. :/
[00:26] <yofel> o.O
[00:26] <scummos> i'm not using ubuntu, maybe its because of that?
[00:26] <scummos> it also doesn't display an error message.
[00:26] <yofel> well, you could setup a boot stick manually by using something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/MultipleISOBootUSBKey
[00:26] <scummos> okay thanks, gonna try that :]
[00:26] <conb123> Does anyone know if the new kernel in maverick fixes the issue with ATI 5750 cards and the proprietary fglrx driver
[00:26] <conb123> ?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> ntie
[00:29] <BUGabundo> *nite
[00:30] <yofel> gn
[00:30] <scummos> good night
[00:31] <scummos> i'll also leave now, thanks for your help
[00:31] <scummos> bye
[00:34] <GA_Bull> anybody running 10.10 netbook remix?
[00:36] <shcherbak> right, my epxirience with new ubuntu-netbook was bit halted by fact that my wifi is BMC broadcom
[00:36] <shcherbak> and by fact that Alt-F2 is not present
[00:36] <GA_Bull> ah.
[00:37] <GA_Bull> other than that, how was the improvement over 9.04 or 9.10
[00:38] <shcherbak> now will try kubuntu-netbook, it looks good, running live version so hardto tell about speed
[00:39] <GA_Bull> which version of kubuntu?
[00:39] <shcherbak> like mac-style menu in the panel
[00:39] <shcherbak> kubuntu-netbook 10.10
[00:40] <GA_Bull> hmm. i'm gonna try out ubuntu-netbook 10.10 first, cause I already downloaded it and mounted it to the usb.
[00:41] <GA_Bull> except this stupid netbook won't let me boot to usb
[00:41] <MikeChelen> hi, there seems to be memory leak with deluge 1.3.0 and libtorrent-rasterbar 0.15.3
[00:42] <shcherbak> bios? some, like eee have special menu-swith for hd usb boot
[00:46] <GA_Bull> i'm gonna try and change the bios again.
[00:46] <GA_Bull> i already tried it on one netbook, and gave up with that one for a while. so i'm trying on another now.
[00:51] <GA_Bull> still no luck even after changing the bios.
[00:52] <GA_Bull> freezes when trying to boot with a USB in.
[00:53] <Ken8521> any USB, or a Live USB disk?
[00:53] <GA_Bull> I believe just a live USB disk
[00:54] <Ken8521> i had some issues trying to boot a live disk as well.
[00:54] <Ken8521> *usb
[00:54] <GA_Bull> any solutions?
[00:54] <Ken8521> ended up finally just burning the CD... i think part of the prob might be my thumb drive.
[00:54] <GA_Bull> no CD drive on a netbook though...
[00:54] <GA_Bull> external CD drive?
[00:55] <Ken8521> actually..lol, i had an IDE hard drive in an enclosure, and i took an old IDE CD drive I had laying around.
[00:55] <Ken8521> burned the CD on my desktop, and then boot it like a USB device.
[00:55] <Ken8521> so yeah, external CD rom.
[00:55] <Ken8521> the jerry rigged way
[00:56] <Jordan_U> GA_Bull: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo dd if=/dev/sdX count=1 | od -x" where "X" is replaced with the correct letter for your drive?
[00:57] <GA_Bull> I can try, still trying to boot it on the netbook, bout to just burn to cd.
[00:57] <GA_Bull> one sec.
[01:00] <Ken8521> the new installer is killer... they did a great job on it.;
[01:01] <GA_Bull> If i could get that far. haha
[01:01] <Ken8521> lol
[01:01] <GA_Bull> the installer for 10.10 desktop edition was pretty nice.
[01:01] <Spaztic_One> roughly when in october is mav gonna be out?
[01:01] <GA_Bull> that's what i'm running on my Toshiba Laptop now.
[01:01] <Ken8521> yeah, thats what i was talking about.
[01:01] <GA_Bull> ah yea. it was great. fast too.
[01:01] <Ken8521> Spaztic_One, if the past is anyy indication, probably towards the end of the month.
[01:01] <Ken8521> i like how you can update your system, during the install.. so after the first boot, you don't have 25min of updating to do.
[01:02] <Spaztic_One> Ah, kk. Also, I've only been using ubuntu for a little less than a year. I started with Karmic
[01:02] <Ken8521> Spaztic_One, they've shocked us before, but usually it's pretty close to the end of the month
[01:02] <GA_Bull> Ken: Yea. Overall a great process. the boot time for maverick is pretty freakin awesome too
[01:02] <Spaztic_One> Alrighty, thanks.
[01:02] <yofel> !schedule | Spaztic_One
[01:02] <Ken8521> yup GA_Bull it is
[01:02] <WXZ> how can I take a screenshot without the dialogue popping up?
[01:03] <GA_Bull> WXZ: go to the Applications Menu > Accessories > Take Screenshot
[01:03] <Ken8521> w/o what dialog popping up?
[01:03] <WXZ> needs to be a button
[01:04] <GA_Bull> what? that tool basically does everything for you, no dialog.
[01:04] <WXZ> and even with that dialogue pops up
[01:04] <GA_Bull> what dialogue?
[01:04] <Ken8521> i admit, i don't understand the question.
[01:04] <Ken8521> what dialogue are you talking about?
[01:04] <WXZ> the dialogue called "take screenshot"
[01:04] <WXZ> you know when you press screenshot
[01:04] <WXZ> a window pops up called "save screenshot"
[01:04] <Ken8521> yeah.....
[01:04] <WXZ> I don't want that window to pop up
[01:04] <GA_Bull> yes, after it has taken the screenshot
[01:05] <Ken8521> it does that after the screenshot, so you can name it and choose where to save it
[01:05] <GA_Bull> it has already taken it by the time the save screenshot dialogue shows up.
[01:05] <WXZ> I know Ken8521
[01:05] <WXZ> I don't want it to do that though
[01:05] <GA_Bull> Then how would it save?
[01:05] <WXZ> I want to open up an image editor later and paste it manually
[01:05] <Ken8521> WXZ, not saying it cant be done, but i'm not sure how.
[01:06] <WXZ> ok
[01:06] <WXZ> when was the last time you guys used windows?
[01:06] <GA_Bull> This morning.
[01:06] <WXZ> ok, lol
[01:06] <Ken8521> WXZ, only to update my zune.
[01:06] <Ken8521> lol
[01:06] <Ken8521> and i do that about once a month.
[01:06] <yofel> quite a while ago, but I think the problem here is that Xorg doesn't take a screenshot when pressing 'PrintScr' by itself
[01:07] <yofel> maybe I'm wrong but I haven't seen it do that yet
[01:07] <Ken8521> yofel, if i hit print screen, the dialog box comes up.. i can choose to save it, or copy to clipboard.. then i assume i could open a photo editor and 'paste' it there
[01:08] <WXZ> I want it to copy to clipboard automatically
[01:08] <yofel> Ken8521: right, but just pressing 'PrintScr' won't automatically copy the screenshot to the xclipboard, thus we need an app for it
[01:08] <Ken8521> yofel, hmm,i guess.... i just never viewed the dialog box as that big of a deal
[01:09]  * yofel neither
[01:09] <yofel> actually I like ksnapshot
[01:09] <Ken8521> yofel, that's one of the very very very very very very very few kde apps i like
[01:09] <Ken8521> lol
[01:09] <yofel> heh
[01:09] <Ken8521> i finally got vnc working on all my machines
[01:10] <Ken8521> i am so thrilled about that
[01:10] <GA_Bull> I'll be back, can't find my external CD Drive
[01:10] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, so how you gonna do that/
[01:12] <GA_Bull> What?
[01:12] <Ken8521> how are you gonna boot a cd, if you don't have an external cd drive?
[01:12] <GA_Bull> I went to find it, with no success. i was hoping to find it.
[01:12] <iConfused> unetbootin?
[01:12] <iConfused> Ken8521, ^
[01:13] <Ken8521> oh
[01:13] <Ken8521> iConfused, i think unetbootin is causing his issue.
[01:13] <GA_Bull> What?
[01:13] <Ken8521> hmm, maybe not
[01:13] <Ken8521> lol
[01:13] <Ken8521> !unetbootin
[01:13] <Ken8521> you could try setting up the drive w/ unetbootin
[01:13] <GA_Bull> Ah. Sorry... zoned out... still working on it.
[01:13] <GA_Bull> one sec.
[01:13] <GA_Bull> i'm gonna mount it to a different USB and try it.
[01:13] <Ken8521> but i don't think unetbootin writes .IMG files... which i think is what you're trying to write
[01:14] <iConfused> Ken8521, I have no idea what the issue is, as I just logged on ^^"
[01:15] <Ken8521> no big deal
[01:15] <iConfused> But unetbootin does .IMG, if I'm not mistaken
[01:15] <Ken8521> he seems to have more issues than a news stand right now...
[01:15] <Ken8521> iConfused, .. are you sure? i thought only ISO
[01:15] <GA_Bull> All I am doing right now is taking the raw .iso file for 10.10 netbook and mount it to a usb, and boot that on the netbook, and install.
[01:15] <iConfused> Ken8521, I believe it has a dropdown for filetype
[01:16] <iConfused> Oh, maybe not
[01:16] <iConfused> ^^"
[01:16] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, have you tried unetbootin?....
[01:16] <Ken8521> just for clarification
[01:16] <GA_Bull> Not yet, I'll try that next.
[01:16] <iConfused> Unetbootin is amazing for making bootable USB drives :3
[01:16] <Ken8521> yes it is
[01:16] <iConfused> You need a little extra set up to make it persistent, however
[01:17] <Ken8521> i am seriously digging vnc though.
[01:17] <GA_Bull> I'll try it next.
[01:17] <Ken8521> iConfused, if you read the current bugs... setting up thumb drives w/ persistence will not work.
[01:17] <Ken8521> live disk only, they should work
[01:17] <GA_Bull> How many comps you running vnc on Ken?
[01:18] <iConfused> Ken8521, I made one, you need to make a casper-rw, and change a line of text on one of the files at the root of the drive
[01:18] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[01:18] <iConfused> My only issue is not being able to remove the live-disc user or whatever
[01:18] <iConfused> -.-
[01:18] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, well, right now.. I'm ono my laptop, and i VNC'd into my desktop, and then used my desktop to VNC into another machine on my network
[01:18] <iConfused> But I use this drive every day at school. It's nice.
[01:19] <GA_Bull> you run a live disk at school?
[01:19] <GA_Bull> like on your own system?
[01:19] <GA_Bull> or the schools?
[01:19] <iConfused> GA_Bull, I run off of a usb drive with a persistent file system on the school's computers
[01:20] <GA_Bull> Nice. I did that for a while... but now I just bring my
[01:20] <iConfused> It's nice, and the person in charge just asked if I didn't like windows
[01:20] <GA_Bull> Laptop..
[01:20] <iConfused> Laptops
[01:20] <GA_Bull> Ran BackTrack4 on my Laptop for a while.
[01:20] <GA_Bull> got tired of dealing with the ridiculous boot sequence.
[01:20] <iConfused> *Laptops aren't allowed in my high school :/
[01:20] <GA_Bull> and just put it on a USB. and I quit High School early and wen't straight to College :P
[01:21] <iConfused> (Or at least, the students aren't allowed to have them)
[01:22] <GA_Bull> I LOVE backtrack4 though.
[01:22] <GA_Bull> just upgraded to that from bt2... great improvment.
[01:22] <iConfused> I've never used backtrack, actually
[01:22] <iConfused> heard it was nifty, though
[01:22] <GA_Bull> My only dissapointment is how much easier they are making hacking... it's to the point where you don't even need to know code.
[01:22] <iConfused> Also, anyone else in love with pithos? :)
[01:23]  * iConfused needs to learn java or something (ANDROID IS THE FUTURE, PEOPLE *twitches)
[01:24] <GA_Bull> YAY! it was the USB disk, it's working off this other one.
[01:24] <iConfused> Wewt :)
[01:25] <GA_Bull> beyond happy right now.
[01:25] <GA_Bull> This is the second time I'm getting completely rid of Windows on ALL of my personal computers.
[01:25] <iConfused> I'm at someone's place
[01:25] <GA_Bull> Except for the one i'm loaning a friend right now.
[01:25] <iConfused> They're watching Faux news
[01:25] <iConfused> the stupid... it burns >.<
[01:26] <GA_Bull> the new installer is Kick A**
[01:26] <iConfused> It's lovely, ain't it?
[01:26] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, it really is.
[01:26] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, other than having Windows in a Vbox for my Zune... I'm free.
[01:26] <Ken8521> i don't see Zune support coming to Linux anytime soon
[01:27] <GA_Bull> I don't see *official* zune support coming to linux atleast.
[01:27] <iConfused> And I completely removed windows on accident, I meant to leave a dell recovery partition, but I wiped it out as well
[01:27] <Ken8521> yeah, something tells me Microsoft would view that as against their goals of world domination
[01:27] <iConfused> So I grabbed a fedora cd I had lying around, and I've been linux-only ever since
[01:28] <iConfused> But compiz and full screen flash video didn't play together (I stream most shows I watch, so this is vital) well on fedora, so I went to ubuntu 10.04
[01:29] <iConfused> And then I was like YAYBETA<3
[01:29] <Ken8521> hmm.
[01:29] <GA_Bull> Yea, on another note though... I am proud of apple, they finally allowed the Google Voice app on iPhone.
[01:30] <Ken8521> lol
[01:30] <Daekdroom> That was under major pressure.
[01:30] <Daekdroom> Apple is the same old fascist it ever was.
[01:30] <Ken8521> Google is gonna take over the world... be ready for it
[01:30] <GA_Bull> Daekdroom: Yea... true. but still.
[01:30] <iConfused> I'm proud of apple, some of their devices are capable of running android
[01:30] <GA_Bull> And Ken. definitely the ridiculous amounts of services they are pumping out right now is insane.
[01:31] <GA_Bull> they're bout to release GoogleTV to compete with iTV
[01:31] <iConfused> I love Google services. So. Much.
[01:31] <iConfused> Can't wait until wave-in-a-box is released
[01:32] <GA_Bull> I have wave. never used it really. nobody else I know has it haha.
[01:32] <iConfused> Hehehe, yeah, it finally went open
[01:32] <Daekdroom> I'm glad it bombed.
[01:32] <iConfused> but google's killing it
[01:32] <Daekdroom> Same thing for GTalk.
[01:32] <iConfused> and I'm sad
[01:32] <Daekdroom> They can't have it all.
[01:32] <iConfused> Daekdroom, GTalk is a really nice jabber service :/
[01:33] <GA_Bull> This is true. so I just accidentally minimized the installer and can't get it back!
[01:33] <GA_Bull> Oh nooooooo...
[01:33] <GA_Bull> Got it back.
[01:33] <GA_Bull> whew.
[01:33] <iConfused> I'mma run wave on my site, methinks
[01:33] <Ken8521> Google Talk is good.
[01:33] <iConfused> (once they, you know, release Wave-in-a-Box)
[01:34] <Ken8521> i actually really like Skype to... I wish Skype's Linux support was a little better
[01:34] <iConfused> I prefer xmpp.jp
[01:34] <Ken8521> but even the old version that we're stuck w/.. isn't to bad
[01:34] <iConfused> I got <myfirstname>@xmpp.jp
[01:34] <iConfused> which is really awesome
[01:34] <GA_Bull> I love skype. And yea, the linux version isn't horrible... it's not playing well with maverick thogh.
[01:34] <iConfused> And ooh, random question
[01:35] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, you know what i like bout the installer, how it asks you if you want to insall the non-free codecs at the beginning.
[01:35] <iConfused> Pidgin and Empathy. Discuss.
[01:35] <Ken8521> it's like "Well, everyone installs them anyway.. so why not"
[01:35] <Ken8521> iConfused, empathy sucks... Pidgin is great... discussion over
[01:35] <Ken8521> lol
[01:35] <GA_Bull> Haha yea... i got tired before of always having to dig through codecs to get them all, so this is nice.
[01:35] <iConfused> Yeah, pidgin's been much better for me
[01:35] <GA_Bull> and I agree. Empathy sucks.
[01:35] <GA_Bull> even though that's what I'm on now.
[01:35] <iConfused> Why on earth did they switch?
[01:36] <Ken8521> empathy is the first thing that gets uninstalled on any new box i set up.... that and brasero.
[01:36] <GA_Bull> again, it's what 10.10 puts in the "me" menu.
[01:36] <iConfused> Empathy is also ugly as hell :/
[01:36] <Ken8521> yup.
[01:36] <iConfused> I don't use gnome-panel
[01:36] <iConfused> Docky+GNOME-Do works well for me
[01:36] <Ken8521> iConfused, i think they switched, because the pidgin team was dragging their feet on video support, but i could be wrong.... or maybe it's because Empathy was the actual Gnome message app
[01:36] <GA_Bull> What panel you running, I run a combo of the new gnome - panel cause it looks good... and a Cairo dock.
[01:37] <iConfused> Cairo? I might look that up
[01:37] <iConfused> But i've always been a fan of docky
[01:37] <GA_Bull> It's the one that's supposed to look like a Mac OSX dock.
[01:37] <GA_Bull> i like it, it's convinent.
[01:37] <iConfused> THEY NEED A GNOME-MENU PLUGIN THOUGH ;~;
[01:37] <iConfused> like, srsly.
[01:38] <GA_Bull> I'm beginning to love this installer less... I can't change the window size, it's stuck on "retrieving file 2 of 6" and I can't see what the terminal is doing.
[01:39] <Ken8521> http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/laptop.jpg
[01:39] <Amaranth> GA_Bull: ctrl-alt-f1 to the rescue?
[01:39] <Ken8521> it's still running 10.04 though
[01:40] <GA_Bull> hopefully it's not gonna freak out now.
[01:40] <GA_Bull> we'll see.
[01:41] <Ken8521> you know it's amazing that vnc is free
[01:41] <GA_Bull> Ok, starting the installer over... sigh.
[01:41] <iConfused> Ken8521, I can VNC into my phone :3
[01:41] <Ken8521> what'd you screw up?
[01:41] <Ken8521> iConfused, iphones.. i admit i don't get it
[01:41] <Ken8521> i have a cell phone. that only makes phone calls.
[01:41] <iConfused> Ken8521, It's not an iPhone
[01:41] <iConfused> lawl
[01:41] <iConfused> </3 apple
[01:42] <Ken8521> lol
[01:42] <GA_Bull> It just got stuck... and the window size isn't correct, and won't let me change it...
[01:42] <Ken8521> droid?
[01:42] <GA_Bull> and It got stuck on file 2 of 6.
[01:42] <GA_Bull> and i couldn't see the terminal.
[01:42] <iConfused> Ken8521, HTC Hero CDMA. Android device yes, MotoDroid, no.
[01:42] <Amaranth> iConfused: The freedesktop.org menu specification _sucks_, it's a PITA to implement
[01:42] <Amaranth> iConfused: And the gnome-menus library that does implement it is almost as painful as implementing it yourself
[01:42] <Amaranth> Trust me, I've got code in gnome-menus and code that uses it :P
[01:43] <iConfused> Amaranth, I just want to be able to pull up my apps so that I don't have to go open gnome-panel
[01:43] <Ken8521> when is ubuntu gonna make the switch to gnome 3.0?
[01:43] <iConfused> I dun liek gnome-panel
[01:43] <Ken8521> i actually though it was gonna be maverick
[01:43] <Amaranth> iConfused: That's what gnome-do is for
[01:43] <Amaranth> Ken8521: Never is the current ETA
[01:43] <Ken8521> lol
[01:43] <Amaranth> Ken8521: And GNOME 3.0 doesn't exist yet
[01:43] <Ken8521> just fine w/ me
[01:43] <Ken8521> really?
[01:43] <Ken8521> you can google screenshots of it
[01:43] <Amaranth> Really, maybe in 6 more months
[01:44] <iConfused> Amaranth, True.
[01:44] <Ken8521> http://www.tux-planet.fr/public/images/screenshots/gnome-mockup/gnome-mockup-12.jpg
[01:45] <GA_Bull> i'm not sure if i like that or not...
[01:45] <Amaranth> Ken8521: If anything Ubuntu will probably use the gnome 3.0 stack but not gnome-shell for the foreseeable future
[01:45] <iConfused> Ken8521, those aren't screenshots. They're called mockups for a reason
[01:45] <GA_Bull> Oh my god. this netbook.
[01:45] <Ken8521> ah, i just noticed that
[01:45] <Amaranth> Ken8521: That's a really old silly mockups
[01:45] <Ken8521> gotcha
[01:45] <Amaranth> It's nothing like that now
[01:46] <iConfused> I'd hate to have that foot logo right there, it's slightly ugly 0~o
[01:47] <Amaranth> Ken8521: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screenshots
[01:47] <Ken8521> not bad
[01:47] <Ken8521> i like gnome 2.3 though... so i don't see all the hubbub that it needs updated
[01:48] <Ken8521> i could've swore i read somewhere that 3.0 was going to be on ubuntu maverick.
[01:48] <Ken8521> must have been wishful thinking
[01:48] <iConfused> Why is valve so evil? If they ported source and steam to linux, they'd get a bunch of users, and a bunch of existing users would go linux, methinks
[01:49] <iConfused> Maybe natty? ;x
[01:49] <GA_Bull> you'd think that they would already have openoffice on the netbook remix.
[01:49] <kklimonda> iConfused: Valve disagrees, as do most other games publishers
[01:49] <iConfused> I love how define:natty pulls up dapper on google
[01:50] <iConfused> kklimonda, how the heck would it hurt them, it's not like I'm demanding they open the source
[01:50] <iConfused> just... A port would be... nice :/
[01:50] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, they don't?
[01:50] <Ken8521> thats strange
[01:50] <kklimonda> iConfused: supporting a new platform costs money
[01:51] <iConfused> I suppose I should just try harder with WINE....
[01:51]  * iConfused sighs
[01:51] <GA_Bull> nevermind they do.
[01:51] <GA_Bull> this mnu system is confusing as mess.
[01:51] <Ken8521> lol
[01:51] <GA_Bull> menu.
[01:51] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, i always put normal gnome on my netbook.
[01:51] <Ken8521> i hate the netbook remix gui
[01:51] <iConfused> I sorta like unity :/
[01:52] <GA_Bull> I actually like the new gui for netbook remix.
[01:52] <GA_Bull> All I really use my netbook for is to sit on facebook during class hahaha.
[01:52] <iConfused> that's unity, my friend
[01:52] <ScottyK> What is a good time after the release of a new version to upgrade? Day of? day after? week after?
[01:53] <GA_Bull> I know it is.
[01:53] <iConfused> I want a netbook, lugging around this desktop replacement is annoying :/
[01:53] <GA_Bull> I just found it easier to type. gui.
[01:53] <GA_Bull> I have two identical netbooks.
[01:54] <iConfused> But I'd rather pick up a phone with a competent processor (like, a snapdragon or something)
[01:55] <GA_Bull> Can anybody think of a way to sync Evolution Calendar with Google Calendar?
[01:55] <iConfused> Not sure, I usually stay away from evolution
[01:56] <Ken8521> same here
[01:56] <iConfused> Gmail's web interface is great
[01:56] <iConfused> (And my email is through Google Apps, so...)
[01:56] <GA_Bull> I'd rather just be able to use an application... only reason I asked. haha.
[01:57] <GA_Bull> I do love the web interface. but if at all possible, I like having things on applications.
[01:57] <judgen> I have some troubles with getting my wireless to work at boot time. I can see the router from iwlist and connect with network-manager applet. but i would prefer if it worked from boot.
[01:57] <Azelphur> GA_Bull: dunno about Evolution but I know Thunderbird+Songbird can do it.
[01:57] <GA_Bull> judgen: is it set to an AUTO connect?
[01:57] <iConfused> Songbird... It will be missed
[01:57] <GA_Bull> I'll have to check it, never really tried either of those.
[01:57] <ectospasm> I installed 2.6.35-19 on Lucid (see launchpad bug #131094), and now I get a bunch of kernel errors regarding AppArmor userspace utilities needing to be upgraded.  Will I be fighting a never ending battle, fixing each little issue, until I upgrade to Maverick?
[01:58] <iConfused> (they killed that project with the whole *WE WON'T SUPPORT LINUX NO MORE* thing)
[01:58] <iConfused> I've finally moved on... Rhythmbox isn't that bad
[01:59] <iConfused> And it screws with my pidgin status for me
[01:59] <iConfused> which is nice
[01:59] <judgen> GA_Bull, I am not sure, i just have iface wlan0 inet dhcp, wireless-essid "NETGEAR", auto wlan0 in that part of ny /etc/network/interfaces
[02:00] <GA_Bull> pull up network manager applet.
[02:00] <GA_Bull> sorry. not applet. just network manager
[02:00] <judgen> GA_Bull, When i run in terminal mode i can not use the applet, that is why i want it at boot. not after login.
[02:00] <GA_Bull> one sec, i was going to show you, but mine just disappeared.
[02:03] <GA_Bull> ugh. this is rather annoying.
[02:03] <GA_Bull> ok when you open Network Connections, and click on the Wireless tab, it should say Auto "your networks ssid"
[02:03] <GA_Bull> for instance it may say Auto NETGEAR
[02:05] <Ken8521> judgen, are you on the GUI now?
[02:05] <judgen> Ken8521, currently yes... since that is the only way i can get wireless atm.
[02:05] <judgen> I really want it to work in terminal.
[02:05] <GA_Bull> Crap. sorry, didn't read that you were in terminal mode.
[02:05] <GA_Bull> I can't remember how to do that. Ken?
[02:06] <Ken8521> judgen, is wireless set to connect on boot?
[02:07] <judgen> Ken8521, it has been a while, where should this info be included if not in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:07] <Ken8521> judgen, i always use the GUI, but the GUI tool is simply going to modify it...
[02:07] <Ken8521> judgen, right click network manager and choose edit connections
[02:08] <Ken8521> then wo things... 1.  On the wireless tab, highlight your wireless connection, choose "Edit"... and make sure "connect automatically" and "available to all users" is checked.
[02:08] <Tweaky> hey theres some updates in updatemanager that wont install as well they wont install in synaptic. any ideas?
[02:09] <Ken8521> also, on the "wired" tab.. highlight your eth0 connection, click "edit" and uncheck "connect automatically".
[02:09] <GA_Bull> What do you mean won't install?
[02:09] <GA_Bull> What is it specifically telling you?
[02:09] <judgen> Ken8521, ok now that i have done that, should the wireless work in CLI too now?
[02:09] <Ken8521> what i've found, on my laptop... is when i boot up.. it will spend a minute looking for the wired connection, then ove to the wireless.. if i disable connecting automatically.. it won't look at the wired connection
[02:10] <Ken8521> judgen, .. i would think so... cuz all that does, is change the network interfaces setting.
[02:10] <judgen> ok ill try
[02:10] <judgen> brb
[02:10] <GA_Bull> I think this netbook install is broken again.
[02:10] <Ken8521> judgen, did you get that second part?
[02:10] <Ken8521> about disabling the auto connect of your wired connection?
[02:10] <judgen> yup
[02:10] <Ken8521> ok
[02:11] <Ken8521> cuz i had that problem as well, and thought my wirelss wasn't working, but then it would mysteriously start working about 2min after boot up
[02:11] <GA_Bull> Ken, judgen disconnected.
[02:11] <Ken8521> yeah, he disconnected in the middle of that, so i just finished typing it.
[02:11] <GA_Bull> ah. ok. haha
[02:11] <Ken8521> maybe i helped some other poor soul who was just observing
[02:12] <Ken8521> did you manage to get installed?
[02:12] <GA_Bull> it's being stupid again.
[02:12] <Tweaky> GA_Bull: it just says up to date but there are 3 packages that i cannot select to install
[02:12] <GA_Bull> froze on file 2 of 6... again.
[02:12] <GA_Bull> It may need you to do a partial update first.
[02:12] <Ken8521> are you sure it's freezing?  or is there something off screen that you're not seeing and you need to click next, or something like that?
[02:12] <GA_Bull> Tweaky, update the ones it will let you for now, and then try to do the others after that
[02:13] <GA_Bull> Ken, I believe it is, because my cursor is still the ever fun spinny circle of death.
[02:13] <Ken8521> hmm
[02:13] <GA_Bull> Ken, and if there was something off screen... I wouldn't know. it won't let me see it. haha.
[02:13] <Ken8521> lol
[02:14] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, thats what i was saying, maybe tyr moving your windows around, and see if you're missing something
[02:14] <judgen_> Ken8521, it works
[02:14] <Ken8521> :)
[02:14] <judgen_> Ken8521, thanks
[02:14] <GA_Bull> Ken, I can't move it. it won't let me resize the window, or move it up.
[02:14] <Ken8521> judgen_, thats all it was doing.. same thing it was dong to me... it was looking for your wired connection for about 2-3min, then it would switch to your wireless.
[02:14] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, is there a panel on the top that you can delete, so you can move the window up just a little higher? or maybe move it to the bottom or side
[02:14] <ananse_ntontan> I really like Unity... is that crazy?
[02:15] <Tweaky> GA_Bull: http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/248/screenshotblz.png
[02:15] <GA_Bull> My flash drive is till blinking occasionally though... so maybe it's still working. and I suppose I can delete that panel yes.
[02:15] <GA_Bull> Ananse, It looks good... not sure on practicality yet though.
[02:15] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, i would try that.. maybe you just need some more screen real estate to see an option.
[02:15] <Ken8521> if you delete that top panel, you can probably move the window up just enough to see what its doing
[02:16] <GA_Bull> Tweaky, hmmm... Ken, can you check that out and see if you have any ideas, Last time I had that problem was about a year and a half ago running *.4
[02:16] <GA_Bull> 8.4...
[02:16] <GA_Bull> Lemme think bout it.
[02:17] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, check what out?
[02:17] <Tweaky> GA_Bull: thanks. i tried to install said packages through synaptic but it wanted to uninstall like a whole bunch of stuff
[02:17] <GA_Bull> the link Tweaky posted..
[02:17] <Ken8521> oh didn't see it, hang on
[02:18] <GA_Bull> Thanks.
[02:18] <GA_Bull> Tweaky, what did synaptic want to uninstall, old files from the same program?
[02:18] <GA_Bull> (s)
[02:18] <ananse_ntontan> GA_Bull, I mean I like what they're trying to do, but it seems so much like style over substance even so close to the release date
[02:19] <Ken8521> or... try running closing the upgrade tool.. and try running sudo apt-get upgrade in a terminal.... see if it spits out some errors
[02:19] <Tweaky> http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9915/screenshot1li.png
[02:19] <GA_Bull> ananse_ntontan, I just want the installer to work right now. haha.
[02:19] <Tweaky> Ken8521: thanks i shall try
[02:20] <Ken8521> Tweaky, holy crap, it wants to remove all that?..lol
[02:20] <ananse_ntontan> has anyone had problems with update-manager crashing mid update?
[02:20] <Ken8521> negatory
[02:20] <GA_Bull> Tweaky, yea... don't think you should let it delete all that. hahaha
[02:21] <Ken8521> lol
[02:21] <GA_Bull> Some of those are pretty necessary.
[02:21] <Ken8521> just a few..lol
[02:21] <GA_Bull> ananse_ntontan, nope...
[02:22] <Tweaky> GA_Bull: No. lol. http://pastebin.com/G5QmvrYr theres the terminal output
[02:22] <Tweaky> Ken8521: ya not a good idea to remove all that lol!
[02:23] <Ken8521> Tweaky, yeah, it's keeping those packages back for some reason... so i'd just assume the upgrade manager is smarter than all of us, and not worry about it.
[02:23] <GA_Bull> Tweaky... Yea... I'd agree with Ken, there's a reason... don't try to force it.
[02:23] <Tweaky> Ken8521: ok :) ill leave it for now
[02:24] <Tweaky> Ken8521, GA_Bull: thanks guys
[02:24] <Ken8521> Tweaky, unless of course, you wanna go on an adventure, and install them anyway and remove all those other packages..lol
[02:24] <Ken8521> you could reach a whole new level of fail
[02:24] <GA_Bull> no problem... and yea. that could be fun... i mean... i'd love to watch a video of that one.
[02:24] <Tweaky> Ken8521: some of them seem to be err.. kinda necessary lol
[02:24] <Ken8521> little did Tweaky know... Ubuntu would uninstall itself...lol
[02:24] <GA_Bull> hahahahahahahahahhaaha
[02:24] <Tweaky> lolol
[02:24] <iConfused> What? O.O
[02:24] <GA_Bull> *crying* i just want the installer to worrkkkkkkkkkk
[02:25] <Tweaky> lol
[02:25] <GA_Bull> Screw this. My netbook will be running standard 10.10
[02:25] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, ... i take it deleting the panels and moving that window around produced no joy?
[02:25] <Ken8521> thats the ticket!
[02:25] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, you could install the normal gnome release, then add the netbook GUI couldn't you?
[02:26] <GA_Bull> It won't let me delete the panel. and I don't even care about the gui, quite frankly I actually like the Maverick gui.
[02:26] <GA_Bull> so I'm just gonna put desktop edition maverick on it.
[02:26] <Ken8521> gotcha.
[02:26] <Ken8521> i never cared for the nbr anyway...
[02:26] <GA_Bull> I liked the last one I think...
[02:27] <Ken8521> it always reminded me of Windows Control Panel
[02:27] <GA_Bull> I mean it was ok. and I KNOW RIGHT>
[02:27] <GA_Bull> by *I liked it* i meant, it worked.
[02:27] <GA_Bull> better than windows did.
[02:27] <Ken8521> yea
[02:27] <Ken8521> normal gnome works well, even on the smaller screen, at least i think it does
[02:28] <GA_Bull> We'll see... lol.
[02:29] <i_is_broke> man i did an update earlier and it worked i thought yeah they fixed it, then i realized i was in lucid...ugh...:(
[02:33] <Ken8521> brb
[02:47] <Ken8521> ok, back
[02:49] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, did your netbook start smoking yet?
[02:50] <GA_Bull> Well.... the desktop version's installer is running much nicer... it should be done soon.
[02:50] <Ken8521> hmm
[02:50] <Ken8521> wonder what the issue is w/ the netbook version.
[02:50] <GA_Bull> It has a GUI installer.
[02:50] <GA_Bull> The desktop version has an extremely basic gui installer...
[02:50] <GA_Bull> and I can see everything... and it functions properly...
[02:50] <GA_Bull> at least that's my guess. I may try the netbook version again sometime.
[02:51] <Ken8521> yeah, but in 10.10, it's light years better than what we've had befoer.... i always used the alt. installl cd cuz the live cd installer annoyed me.. but used the live cd on 10.10.. and it's slick
[02:51] <GA_Bull> Used the alt install...
[02:51] <Ken8521> i just didn't like the NBR... reminded me of using an ipod touch.
[02:51] <Ken8521> not that thats a bad thing
[02:51] <Volkodav> Does the installer offer the btrfs on a regular image or at least planned for release ?
[02:52] <Ken8521> Volkodav, yes, it's offered
[02:52] <Ken8521> not sure how well it works, but it's an option;
[02:52] <GA_Bull> I may try the live CD on my other other computer.
[02:52] <Volkodav> It was only on alternate CD at aplha stage
[02:53] <Ken8521> Volkodav, well, when i was installing hte live cd.. there was a box i could check to install an encrypted file system.. isn't that what btrfs does?
[02:53] <Volkodav> No
[02:53] <Ken8521> oh, well then i was mistaken, sorry
[02:53] <Volkodav> np
[02:56] <Ken8521> i thinkj i might upgrade my laptop tomorrow.
[02:56] <Ken8521> just for fun
[03:01] <Ken8521> Nippon|2, u having a problem?
[03:01] <Ken8521> Nippon|2, u having a problem?
[03:01] <Nippon|2> Ken8521, I'm trying to fix it >.<
[03:02] <Ken8521> oh ok... was just wondering, cuz you've logged in and out about 35x..lol
[03:02] <Ken8521> well, 36..
[03:02] <Volkodav> how come there is no verbose option in ubuntu Software Center? This in progress thing is so non-informative
[03:02] <Ken8521> Volkodav, i was wondering that myself actually
[03:03] <Volkodav> so window-ish
[03:03] <Ken8521> yup
[03:04] <Ken8521> Shuttleworth is just preparing Ubuntu for it's inevitable sale to Google, then Google will take over the world, and Ubuntu will be running on phones, laptops, tv's, computers, portable media players, etc
[03:04] <Ken8521> you wait..
[03:10] <kklimonda> Volkodav: there are so many tools that are more verbose to choose from.
[03:11] <Volkodav> I know but since it is chosen instead of gdebi it should have this option
[03:43] <GA_Bull> Ken, 10.10 on netbook... looks fine.
[03:46] <GA_Bull> However, I can't hibernate....
[03:47] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, hmm,
[03:47] <Ken8521> i've not put 10.10 on my netbook yet.
[03:47] <Ken8521> my laptop though, has identical specs to my netbook(well, very close anyway)
[03:48] <Ken8521> i'll have to check it out when i install there tomorrow.
[03:48] <GA_Bull> Ken, yea, i'm not sure why. I can hibernate on my Laptop... netbook though. the option isn't there...
[03:48] <Ken8521> hmm
[04:01] <androidbruce> hey guys
[04:01] <androidbruce> anyone had issues importing music into rhythmbox?
[04:01] <Ken8521> haven't tried yet
[04:03] <GA_Bull> neither have i
[04:05] <DanaG> Argh, stupid PulseAudio defaults to having my USB sound card muted every time!
[04:05] <DanaG> And 90% of the time, hotplugging the sound card results in PA failing to detect it as capable of any output at all!
[04:06] <doc|home> anyone gotten a hauppauge tv remote working on 10.10? Mine's being ignored. :/
[04:06] <SNN> Hey guys.. having an issue with my ubuntu 10.10. My gnome (ubuntu-desktop) package has some how removed itself, and I cannot use gnome anymore. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:06] <IdleOne> SNN: install gnome-desktop
[04:06] <Ken8521> doc|home, the remotes, i've never had luck w/ them
[04:06] <IdleOne> err
[04:06] <IdleOne> SNN: I mean ubuntu-desktop[
[04:06] <doc|home> Ken8521: I got it working under gentoo a long time ago, then it broke and I've never gotten it back
[04:06] <Ken8521> hmm
[04:06] <IdleOne> hell if I could learn to type
[04:06] <SNN> doesn't work. that was the first thing I tried..
[04:06] <doc|home> and now I'm on ubuntu but getting nowhere :/
[04:07] <IdleOne> SNN: doesn't work?
[04:07] <SNN> http://pastebin.com/CVg58dAf <= this is why I mean by it doesn't work, IdleOne.
[04:07] <Kapace> hello, i have installed 10.10 on my compaq r3000, i had to boot to the installer with noacpi, but after it installed, i can't boot even with noacpi, and Recovery mode doesn't boot either
[04:08] <IdleOne> SNN: hmm
[04:08] <SNN> IdleOne, I've never seen this error on any version of Ubuntu I've used, and I haven't been told by any of my ubuntu friends about this issue. Even people with the same setup as me.
[04:09] <IdleOne> SNN: try apt-get -f install   see if it fixes the "broken packages"
[04:09] <SNN> IdleOne, tried that too. output is 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[04:09] <SNN> 2 not upgraded are two odd packages that won't install regardless how i try.
[04:11] <SNN> IdleOne, here are the two packages, and what the output becomes: http://pastebin.com/tDDM4wJV
[04:12] <IdleOne> SNN: I think it is a situation where the packages haven't been uploaded to the mirror yet
[04:12] <Ken8521> someone had a similar situation earlier
[04:12] <IdleOne> honestly not sure what to tell you to fix it now
[04:12] <SNN> bah lol I hate kde
[04:12] <IdleOne> except for wait
[04:13] <SNN> :/ thanks
[04:13] <SNN> i guess i'll just have to deal with kde for a while.
[04:13] <IdleOne> probably not more then 12 hours
[04:13] <SNN> hopefully not :)
[04:14] <IdleOne> could fix itself in 10 minutes, who knows :)
[04:14] <IdleOne> I can tell you I have had over 100 packages upgraded today alone
[04:14] <IdleOne> so be patient :)
[04:14] <Ken8521> i had a big upgrade just a bit ago to
[04:15] <SNN> haha, I had 400 to upgrade because I haven't updated in about a week
[04:15] <IdleOne> SNN: I upgraded twice a day
[04:15] <IdleOne> a week is way to long to wait lol
[04:15] <SNN> well school sucks, that's all i can say :p
[04:15] <IdleOne> upgrade*
[04:19] <GA_Bull> I feel like I missed a massive conversation... due to algebra... sigh........
[04:19] <Ken8521> naa, you've not missed much
[04:20] <GA_Bull> cool. and again... i'll be back in a second. moving upstairs.
[04:20] <IdleOne> SNN: also defaulting to Y is a bad idea. right now I have 8 packages that won't be upgraded, had I defaulted to Y it would have removed 80 packages
[04:21] <IdleOne> mostly everything needed to have any sort of GUI lol
[04:21] <SNN> that's probably what happened with me, i didn't look over the packages as I was doing something
[04:21] <SNN> i actually think it might've said remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:21] <IdleOne> ALWAYS look before hitting enter
[04:21] <SNN> which is kind of concerning but i was like, ah i can install it again :p
[04:21] <SNN> not the best idea i've had all day
[04:21] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:21] <IdleOne> just leave it for now
[04:22] <IdleOne> it will resolve itself
[04:22] <Ken8521> SNN, that's really just a meta-package... so it probably didn't actually remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <SNN> yeah that's what i'm gonna do. all my programs work, soo yeah
[04:22] <SNN> well if it didn't i certainly did
[04:22] <SNN> i did autoclean clean remove purge etc on ubuntu-desktop gdm, all that.
[04:22] <SNN> :p
[04:23] <IdleOne> autoclean is ok, the remove and purge is what broke it for you
[04:24] <SNN> it was after it was broken
[04:25] <GA_Bull> Hi
[04:25] <GA_Bull> I'm back.
[04:25] <Ken8521> get everything worked out?
[04:26] <GA_Bull> Just turned the netbook off... had to deal with school. Everything seems to work fine though.
[04:28] <Ken8521> well thats good.
[04:31] <GA_Bull> yup.
[06:01] <bullgard4> '~$ uname -r; 2.6.35-22-generic.' But the newest documentation in http://lxr.linux.no/ is http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.35.6/ HOw come?
[06:58] <vega_> is it just me or doesn't gwibber support setting a proxy?
[07:00] <Cerebr0> hello
[07:00] <Cerebr0> is anyone here?
[07:01] <vega_> Cerebr0: ask a real question, nobody is going to answer "is anyone here"
[07:01] <Cerebr0> can anyone help me i cant figure out how to register my nick
[07:01] <Cerebr0> Well your a fucking ass hole arent you
[07:02] <IdleOne> Cerebr0: please watch the language
[07:02] <IdleOne> Cerebr0: /msg nickserv help
[07:02] <IdleOne> also can join #freenode and ask
[07:09] <Cerebr0> How come I can not connect to the ubuntu channel?
[07:09] <glebihan> !register | Cerebr0
[07:10] <Cerebr0> I've registsered my Nick
[07:10] <Jordan_U> Cerebr0: Have you identified?
[07:10] <Cerebr0> I guess not
[07:11] <glebihan> Cerebr0: type /nickserv identify nickname password
[07:23]  * lucent sighs
[07:23] <lucent> new firewire stack issues with one of my expresscards
[07:28] <Cerebr0> I have no Idea why I can't join #ubuntu, this is starting to erk me the wrong way
[07:29] <glebihan> Cerebr0: did you identify
[07:29] <glebihan> Cerebr0: and what does it tell you when you try to join ?
[07:29] <Cerebr0> yep
[07:29] <Cerebr0> I don't get any message
[07:29] <Cerebr0> I've registered my Nick, Identified and still nothing
[07:30] <glebihan> Cerebr0: there must be something happening, check if there are some messages in the freenode window
[07:33] <glebihan> Cerebr0: if you still can't find anything, try asking on #ubuntu-irc
[07:43] <SaRy> i just joined #ubuntu
[07:53] <aroman> Hey folks, does anyone know if the awful bug that makes Plymouth and proprietary ATI drivers look terrible has been fixed in maverick? You know, with that new version of Xorg and the new kernel and all. If not, can anyone tell me if this is something that is being looked into? thanks a ton in advance!
[07:54] <ectospasm> don't use ATI.  As a general rule. (-;
[07:54] <aroman> Hehe.
[07:54] <aroman> I wouldn't, but it works FLAWLESSLY outside of that splash. ATI has actually really impressed me with their linux support recently, a new kernel made some Mozilla apps look wacko, and they had a new driver out specifically for it in a week or so.
[07:55] <aroman> Since Lucid things have been working great, besides, LOTS of people use ATI and Plymouth is like the first thing they see.. first impressions are everything
[07:56] <aroman> Though i guess it wouldn't be first impressions because it'd use the FOSS driver.
[07:58] <DanaG> This new fglrx 10.10 is awesome.
[07:58] <DanaG> Combined with the removal of that stupid VRAM readback in X server 1.9, everything is really snappy.
[07:58] <DanaG> I just wish Ubuntu would use uvesafb by default.
[07:59] <DanaG> I tried Ubuntu on an omap (omapfb driver), and that took like over a minute to boot, and didn't show any splash... fail.
[07:59] <DanaG> I had to set FRAMEBUFFER=y to get a splash.
[08:00] <DanaG> And I tried Lucid on an old Thinkpad with a Mobility Radeon 7500, and it used the text-mode splash there, even with working KMS.
[08:00] <DanaG> Fail there, too.
[08:11] <shilow> 9
[08:12] <shilow> anyone up??
[08:13] <shilow> after i upgraded i have lost totem  and get this error
[08:13] <shilow> http://pastebin.com/Pjw8ies0
[08:19] <aroman> DanaG, 10.10? Like the fglrx that's in maverick? Because there is a pretty new version of catalyst (2 weeks) from ATI's linux site that I'm currently using.
[08:25] <DanaG> aroman:  Yeah, the one in Maverick repos seems to be an early version of 10.10.
[08:25] <DanaG> The latest "official" fglrx didn't do X Server 1.9, last time I checked.
[08:25] <aroman> DanaG, I'm almost positive that _just_ got patched days ago.
[08:26] <aroman> otherwise fglrx+maverick = bork
[08:26] <DanaG> 8.780.
[08:26] <aroman> but now it's fine.
[08:27] <DanaG> 10.9 is 8.771.
[08:34] <aroman> Ah cool.
[08:34] <aroman> How'd they get their hands on 10.10?
[08:36] <DanaG> Special arrangements with ATI/AMD, it seems.
[08:36] <aroman> well that's great.
[08:37] <aroman> are there any noticeable differences from 10.9 > 10.10?
[08:39] <DanaG> It's much more snappy, because X server 1.9 seems to no longer do that stupid slow readback from video RAM on every window resize.
[08:40] <aroman> Ooooh
[08:40] <DanaG> That "stupid slow resize" was slow even on radeon and intel and nvidia, last time I'd tried it.
[08:40] <aroman> That was fixed in 10.7 for me
[08:40] <DanaG> Yeah, but it came back in 10.8 and 10.9.
[08:40] <aroman> really?
[08:40] <DanaG> For me, at least.
[08:40] <aroman> it's fine for me and i'm running 10.9
[08:40] <aroman> who knows though
[08:40] <aroman> i just remember the bug list having over 9000 comments
[08:41] <aroman> starting in like '07
[08:41]  * lucent reacts with oblig IT.S OVER 9000!?
[08:41] <aroman> Any idea when 10.10 gets pushed back to Linux proper?
[08:41] <aroman> lucent, appreciated, always :)
[08:42] <DanaG> I've even seen intel and radeon (open-source) lag when under high cpu usage, with old X server.
[08:42] <DanaG> It's just that fglrx was an order of magnitude slower at doing that operation that was silly in the first place.
[08:42] <vega_> evince seems uninstallable atm, is it going to be replaced by something else in maverick?
[08:44] <aroman> oh good god. THIS is an example of a bug out of control: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/410407
[08:46] <DanaG> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495
[08:46] <DanaG> Wine devours 100% cpu whenever I try to run it through PA.
[08:46] <DanaG> Even native OpenAL apps don't do that when run through Pulse!
[08:46] <aroman> mind.explode();
[08:46] <aroman> that is truly nuts.
[08:47] <aroman> oh wait one other thing before I go.
[08:47] <aroman> so idk if it's just me, but a while ago an update changed the "drag handle" of windows that don't have statusbars to be.. well, 1 pixel.
[08:47] <aroman> is this a bug? a gnome thing? it does crazy harm for usability.
[08:47] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:47] <DanaG> It's a theme decision.
[08:47] <aroman> Oh good god.
[08:48] <aroman> Why..?!
[08:48] <aroman> I mean, TONS of apps are now broken
[08:48] <aroman> e.g xchat, chromium,
[08:48] <aroman> terminal even
[08:48] <DanaG> On my display, that's literally 0.173 millimeters.
[08:48] <vega_> yep, that's complete crap
[08:48] <DanaG> Too damn small.
[08:48] <aroman> okay so i'm not the only one.
[08:49] <vega_> resizing gnome-terminal is much harder now
[08:49] <aroman> i was going out of my mind.
[08:49] <DanaG> try this: alt+middledrag
[08:49] <aroman> what i use now is the compiz resize + hotkey
[08:49] <DanaG> And then I run into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[08:49] <aroman> control+spacebar+drag for me
[08:49] <aroman> same thing though
[08:49] <DanaG> Apparently it thinks my 3-button touchpad has only 1 button.
[08:49] <aroman> oh man.
[08:50] <nogo> amen
[08:50] <DanaG> So when I press my middle button, I don't get a middle-click... I instead get a left or a right click, depending on where my finger is on the pad!
[08:50] <aroman> I think someone needs to file a serious bug report for the drag handle shenanigans. I thoroughly can't believe that change got made.
[08:50] <DanaG> Give my back my middle button!  You try browsing the web with no middle-click...
[08:51] <aroman> here;s the current thread that's about this problem:
[08:52] <aroman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1580260&page=5
[08:52] <aroman> oh, snap, DanaG you beat me to the punch.
[08:54] <aroman> oh, excellent!
[08:55] <aroman> in the bug report for it someone's posted a branch+deb of the light themes
[08:55] <shilow> can anyone help me i  recently did an upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10  and after  i havent been able to use totem and get this error otem: symbol lookup error during the  upgrade  phase  it dumped the  reconfigure   with an error when reconfiguring cron
[08:55] <shilow> http://pastebin.com/Pjw8ies0
[09:00] <StaRetji> Hi there folks. What would be lifetime of usb stick if I install maverick on it, just like on plain hard drive? Any help regarding this would be highly appreciated
[09:04] <DanaG> argh, stupid Flash gives me a black screen on some sites: http://jonbro.tk/blog/2010/09/19/html_5_chip_tracker.html
[09:04] <DanaG> Video plays fine when I click the 'vimeo' link.
[09:04] <SaRy> Pretty much faster then installing from a CD , DVD .
[09:06] <StaRetji> SaRy: if you where answering my question, just want to refrain, I meant how long it will run until USB stick dies?
[09:09] <SaRy> You can run the Ubuntu distro from the usb stick .. like forever.
[09:10] <SaRy> if i cached what you meant ..
[09:11] <StaRetji> SaRy, are you sure? USB stick lifetime is 10.000 writes
[09:11] <StaRetji> so I wonder how often ubuntu writes something (tmp, var/log etc)
[09:11] <StaRetji> I would like to install maverick on it, but I'm afraid it will die soon
[09:12] <DanaG> Just don't put swap on the stick.
[09:12] <StaRetji> liveusb with permanent storage is out of the question as it is too buggy
[09:12] <StaRetji> DanaG: thx, sounds reasonable
[09:15] <DanaG> I'm not sure of real lifespan, though.
[09:16] <DanaG> I'd say, just make backups every so often.
[09:17] <StaRetji> Maybe if I turn off system logging too
[09:17] <StaRetji> not sure how, but it will also reduce writes
[09:25] <lucent> StaRetji: "turn off system logging" really? would suggest instead to change system logging to a memory resident filesystem
[09:58] <Ejdesgaard_> hi, i have just upgraded 10.10 to gnome-2.32.0, but there are some serious dependensy problems with nautilus
[09:59] <Ejdesgaard_> and it wan't to remove the ubuntu-desktop package
[10:09] <StaRetji> hi lucent, I was afk, can you give me some tips regarding this filesystem
[10:09] <StaRetji> it sounds interesting
[10:10] <StaRetji> I was using live system with permanent storsge casper-rw, but after 2-3 days it will become corrupted and unusable
[10:13] <Rods_Tiger> for the next ubuntu you've got to do something about the grub dual boot situation, I've just installed a dual boot system for someone and here's what I've learned:
[10:14] <Rods_Tiger> they are frightened by the grub loading screen and the technical sounding choices
[10:14] <Rods_Tiger> so they won't touch it now in case they do something wrong.
[10:15] <Rods_Tiger> also, the kernel was updated after I installed it all, and instead of going into windows like I set it for them, it now started going into memory test, which upset them and they brought it back
[10:15] <Rods_Tiger> it's too much of a hurdle for them to deal with, and that's before it even gets to boot into linux!
[10:17] <Rods_Tiger> also, there's too many kernels for them to choose from - the loading screen should ideally consist of two choices (in their case) and nothing else, preferably pictorial, rather than looking like their computer is broken
[10:18] <Rods_Tiger> because they're now convinced it is permanently in a state of broken-ness
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> Rods_Tiger, only got 2.6.35-23 :)
[10:23] <CosmiChaos> currently for me evince-common, evolution-data-server-common,libgnome2-common, nautilus-data and totem-common are not upgradeable and the mentioned applications are broke
[10:37] <Ddorda> say, how long is the support of maverick after it's out?
[10:37] <Ddorda> until when?
[10:39] <glebihan> Ddorda: April 2012
[10:39] <Ddorda> glebihan: is there a way calculate it or it's decided every time?
[10:41] <glebihan> Ddorda: for desktop edition, it's about 18 months for normal versions and 3 years for LTS versions
[10:41] <glebihan> Ddorda: for server editions, 5 years
[10:41] <glebihan> Ddorda: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:42] <Ddorda> glebihan: thank you  very much :)
[10:42] <glebihan> Ddorda: you're welcome
[10:42] <Ejdesgaard_> CosmiChaos, same here
[10:43] <Ejdesgaard_> but i upgraded evolution-data-server-common & nautilus-data wich f***ed up the rest of gnome...
[10:44] <glebihan> no problem here with main server mirror
[10:51] <Ejdesgaard_> glebihan, this is my sources.list... http://dpaste.org/FpFW/
[10:52] <glebihan> Ejdesgaard_: that's weird, just did the upgrade without any issue...
[10:56] <Ejdesgaard_> glebihan, this is my dpkg -l list http://dpaste.org/ShTB/ and my system is Linux hedin-laptop 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:32:27 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:57] <glebihan> Ejdesgaard_: oh maybe the reason is you're on 64 bits, 32 here
[10:58] <Ejdesgaard_> glebihan, could be... but then agen... the gnome updates sould come at the same time to x86 and x86_64 ?
[10:59] <glebihan> Ejdesgaard_: I don't know... but I've had some issues with upgrades too which have been solved very quickly
[11:00] <Ejdesgaard_> glebihan, i certently hope so... :)
[11:45] <CosmiChaos> Ejdesgaard_, all packages fixed for me
[11:49] <Ejdesgaard_> CosmiChaos, nice, u'm updating right now :)
[11:50] <CosmiChaos> if unfit dependencies force you to uninstall packagages during fresh upgrade just exclude them and wait some time ;)
[11:50] <CosmiChaos> and do not restart
[12:02] <CosmiChaos> how to remove debugging shown in plymouth?
[12:06] <glebihan> CosmiChaos: if you haven't already, add "quiet" to your kernel options
[12:10] <CosmiChaos> it is already in itry it twice run update-grub and reboot wait a second
[12:11] <glebihan> CosmiChaos: putting it twice won't change anything
[12:12] <Ejdesgaard_> the update worked as expected here :)
[12:13] <CosmiChaos> no, still the same
[12:14] <glebihan> CosmiChaos: exactly what output do you want to get rid of ?
[12:16] <JoshuaL> i have installed the new ubuntu font, however it is not set as default, what are the correct fonts and settings for it?
[12:17] <CosmiChaos> the text outputs on the short pink screen
[12:17] <CosmiChaos> :)
[12:17] <CosmiChaos> warnings, errors and stati
[12:18] <glebihan> CosmiChaos: I don't think you can do more if you already have the quiet option
[12:18] <CosmiChaos> for example blablabla starting daemon [OK] or [fail]
[12:18] <Ejdesgaard> hmm.. I still got a problem in evolution... I have connected to our exchange 2007, but when i try to send an internal e-mail, like, ejdesgaard@company.com, i get a error saying "Error sending message. Could not send message" and nothing more...
[12:19] <Ejdesgaard> but it's not a problem to send e-mails to external addresses, like @gmail.com etc.
[12:19] <CosmiChaos> glebihan, i have it in, it some debug stuff implemented for testing...grrr
[12:36] <JoshuaL> i have installed the new ubuntu font, however it is not set as default, what are the correct fonts and settings for it?
[12:36] <SNN> IdleOne, just coming back to say the issue with the package (or meta, whatever it is) has been fixed by ubuntu :) downloading all require packages now. thanks again :p
[13:00] <bullgard4> Why did maverick install s2disk? (My Lucid Thinkpad T43 can suspend and resume without s2disk.)
[13:04] <ivanatwork> hi
[13:04] <Pici> bullgard4: I dont have uswsusp (the package that provides s2disk) installed on my Maverick install.  Did you install it manually?
[13:13] <Ian_corne> dpkg is pretty stupid when it comes to doing some stuff at once
[13:13] <chenlong> Is 10.10 works well now?
[13:14] <Ian_corne> i autoremove like 10 kernels, generates grub.cfg 10 times..
[13:14] <yofel> +1
[13:19] <bullgard4> Pici: I did not install it manually.
[13:20] <Ranjan> does any body have any idea how to work with wizardpen driver on 10.10
[13:20] <bullgard4> chenlong: Yes. But it is still a beta release. Mind that.
[13:22] <alvin> Is tasksel removed from Maverick?
[13:23] <bullgard4> alvin: No.
[13:23] <alvin> Well, I just installed the beta and it's not there
[13:23] <alvin> (Kubuntu)
[13:24] <vega_> alvin: Priority: optional
[13:24] <vega_> so, does not get installed by default
[13:24] <bullgard4> Well, I upgraded from 10.04, and tasksel is installed automatically.
[13:24] <vega_> did you have it on 10.04?
[13:24] <bullgard4> I do not remember.
[13:24] <alvin> Yes, on Lucid, priority is 'important', but this is a new install, not an upgrade
[13:24] <vega_> so you probably did..
[13:38] <Oli``> Is gwibber-service crashing out for everybody else too?
[13:39] <vega_> no, because it doesn't support a proxy, kinda useless piece of software for many users
[13:50] <popey> vega_: i thought they'd added proxy support now
[13:50] <popey> oh, 3.0
[13:50] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/259830
[13:51] <vega_> wishful thinking... two years
[13:51] <popey> its partially in already
[13:52] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/259830/comments/45
[14:11] <pepee> so, I only need to modify sources.list to upgrade from lucid, don't I?
[14:12] <zniavre> pepee,  this is quite oldschool way
[14:12] <pepee> hehe
[14:12] <zniavre> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[14:12] <pepee> and what's the "new" way?
[14:13] <pepee> oh, ok, thanks
[14:13] <zniavre> To upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes)
[14:15] <pepee> hmm I kinda remember bad experiences with the upgrade manager...
[14:16] <pepee> anyway, trying now. thanks people
[14:16] <Pici> Well thats the way you're supposed to do it.
[14:38] <Ian_corne> does ubuntu one work properly for anyone?
[14:38] <Ian_corne> and how often does it sync?
[15:00] <tech404> :-/
[15:02] <bullgard4> Ian_corne: After upgrading to Maverick Beta I was told that my Ubuntu One works all right. But I did not try it myself yet in Maverick Beta.
[15:03] <Ian_corne> I'm using it already
[15:03] <Ian_corne> It synced parts :p
[15:04] <Ian_corne> It seems to sync very slow
[15:04] <Ian_corne> for some reason
[15:33] <rafael_> Good morning, I need help
[15:34] <rafael_>  After upgrading ubuntu, I reboot it and now it goes directly to the command line of grub. It show only the prompt grub> .
[15:35] <pepee> rafael_, no error messages? something like "xxx not found"?
[15:36] <rafael_> pepee, no error
[15:37] <rafael_> It only shows grub>
[15:37] <pepee> how many partitions do you have? also, are you booting from a USB disk?
[15:37] <rafael_> I was using 10.10 alpha and upgraded to beta
[15:38] <rafael_> I installed ubuntu through windows 7
[15:38] <rafael_> So I only have 2 partitions
[15:38] <pepee> do you have a live cd?
[15:39] <rafael_> No, but I can make it
[15:39] <rafael_> I will burn it right now
[15:39] <pepee> you can try reinstalling/reconfiguring grub
[15:39] <pepee> but the live cd is no needed anyway...
[15:40] <pepee> rafael_, hablas español?
[15:40] <rafael_> si
[15:40] <rafael_> un poquito
[15:40] <rafael_> soy brasileno
[15:41] <pepee> ok, I'll send you a pm. I'm not an "expert", but I think i can help you
[15:41] <rafael_> pepee, gracias
[15:58] <adv_> what should i use for partitioning my hd?
[15:59] <Azelphur> adv_ gparted?
[16:03] <nemo> 1.2GiB of files to download. let's see how long it takes at 2 mega*bytes* per second :D
[16:03] <nemo> 2.2
[16:04] <Azelphur> nemo: haha :p
[16:05] <nemo> looks like establishing the new connection for each file slows it down a liiittle bit
[16:05] <nemo> "About 6 minutes remaining"
[16:05] <nemo> I always try to get my laptop on this network when I do an upgrade :)
[16:07] <adv_> rm * only removes files from . , right?
[16:07] <nemo> adv_: well. more precisely
[16:07] <nemo> adv_: only removes files matching the * glob
[16:07] <adv_> which means?
[16:07] <nemo> adv_: so no hidden files
[16:07] <adv_> ah k
[16:07] <adv_> thanks
[16:07] <nemo> and of course permissions etc
[16:08] <nemo> holy crap
[16:08] <nemo> speed has jumped to 3.5 megabytes
[16:08] <nemo> I must be saturating some awesome pipe to ubuntu
[16:09] <nemo> fluctuates a bit from file to file. I think the small files slow it down
[16:12] <jml> I seem to have lost vim.
[16:12] <jml> The following packages have unmet dependencies: vim : Depends: vim-runtime (= 2:7.2.330-1ubuntu3) but 2:7.2.330-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[16:13] <yofel> jml: wait a while and try again, probably not yet built for all architectures
[16:13] <jml> yofel: ok.
[16:13] <jml> thanks.
[16:14] <nemo> aaand done
[16:14] <nigelb> jml: heh, Don't Panic!
[16:16] <jml> excellent :)
[16:18] <nemo> jml: eep. please tell me your arch isn't x64
[16:18]  * nemo is busy updating
[16:19] <nemo> say, does gnome power manager still use ridiculous amounts of memory in maverick?
[16:19] <nemo> like, 300 megs on my desktop computer, to do jack all
[16:19] <jml> nemo: my architecture is not amd64 (I'm lying, it is.)
[16:19] <nemo> :(
[16:19] <nemo> damn. well. guess I can make do w/ gedit for a while
[16:28] <nemo> error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Ubuntu_jaunty': invalid character in revision number
[16:28] <nemo> warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 39616 package 'virtualbox-3.0': error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Ubuntu_jaunty': invalid character in revision number
[16:41] <dajhorn> nemo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/569273
[16:44] <nemo> dajhorn: yeah, I looked it up months ago :)
[16:44] <nemo> dajhorn: since then I've just been periodically killing it
[16:47] <dajhorn> nemo: Sorry, not fixed yet.  :P
[16:47] <nemo> damn :-/
[16:48] <dajhorn> nemo: RC on Thursday.  Even if the bug is fixed, it will probably ship in Maverick.
[16:49] <nemo> shame. wastes a lot of memory doing nothing useful
[16:49] <nemo> I guess if I wasn't killing it all the time, I would have been irritated enough to run it through valgrind
[16:51] <nemchik> hello, i am having an issue with maverick and my nvidia drivers
[16:53] <Ken8521> anybody know how to make VNC start on boot up?
[16:55] <yofel> Ken8521: it would probably need an init script for that, or put a command in /etc/rc.local
[16:56] <yofel> nemchik: it would help us if you could tell us what the issue is please
[16:56] <Ken8521> hmm... any input on how to do that?
[16:56] <yofel> I don't know anything about vnc and linux, sorry :/
[16:56] <Ken8521> np. :)
[16:56] <Ken8521> there doesn't seeem to be an IRC channel..
[16:57] <Ken8521> i found some fairly old instructions w/ Google.. but they are from Gutsy..
[16:59] <nemchik> yofel: i cannot enable desktop effects, additional drivers does not show my nvidia driver (where lucid previously did), i DO have the nvidia x server settings under preferences, and i am using the 260.19.06 beta driver (or at least i think i was until today's update of xorg) so i am wondering if it would be a good idea to reinstall the beta driver (same way i got it in the first place) or if there is something else wrong? on that no
[17:00] <yofel> I'm using the packaged beta driver and everything works fine here in kde
[17:00] <Ken8521> same here yofel (except Gnome)
[17:00] <nemchik> im on gnome
[17:01] <yofel> nemchik: did you use the beta .run installer from the nvidia site?
[17:01] <Ken8521> which nvidia device again?
[17:01] <nemchik> yes
[17:01] <pepee> does someone know how wubi works?
[17:01] <nemchik> GeForce 6800
[17:01] <Ken8521> pepee, think of it as "ubuntu.exe"... but right now, wubi w/ 10.10 is apparently not stable, so don't do it
[17:02] <LuckySMack> im trying out 10.10 on my laptop and it doesnt want to seem to activate my second monitor. when i make a change is asks me if i want to change desktop size and i say yes then tells me to log out and back in to take effect and it never does. im on an HP Pavillion dv7 laptop
[17:02] <yofel> nemchik: then please reinstall the driver, the xorg update probably overwrote some files, or better: run the install with --uninstall, and install the nvidia-current package from the x-updates ppa
[17:02] <Ken8521> nemchik, i have a 7900(pretty sure 6x and 7x use the same driver) and it works perfectly w/ the restricted driver, why didn't you just use it?
[17:02] <nemchik> pepee: wubi is an exe you run from windows that will install ubuntu for you to dual boot (in simple terms)
[17:02] <pepee> Ken8521, rafael_ needs help. I couldn't help him because i never used wubi
[17:02] <pepee> in fact, I will never use it
[17:02] <pepee> no more bugs, please...
[17:02] <Ken8521> pepee, i've never used wubi either.. it's pretty much a good way hose windows
[17:03] <nemchik> yofel: the x-updates ppa on launchpad right?
[17:03] <yofel> yes, it has the beta driver
[17:03] <Ken8521> when it works, it's great... when it doesn't.. it's a mess.
[17:04] <nemchik> pepee & Ken8521 i've had a bunch of successful wubi installs (actually converted a bunch of friends to ubuntu with it) but i dont recommend trying to migrate from a wubi install to a full ubuntu partitioned install
[17:04] <Ken8521> nemchik, well yah, thats a terrible idea... it goes against what wubi is supposed to do.
[17:05] <Ken8521> nemchik, i'm not saying wubi is always bad.. it's just when it's bad.. it's really bad.
[17:05] <LuckySMack> are there any issues with ATI cards in 10.10? on the beta page i didnt see anything listed, or regarding dual monitors.
[17:05] <nemchik> Ken8521: lol agreed (like the first time i tried to do what i just said don't do lol)
[17:05] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, probbly doesn't help, but i'm using dual screens w/ Nvidia, no probs. :)
[17:05] <LuckySMack> hrmm
[17:06] <LuckySMack> did you upgrade or fresh install?
[17:06] <Ken8521> fresh
[17:06] <Ken8521> i never upgrade
[17:06] <LuckySMack> yea i have radeon hd
[17:06] <pepee> LuckySMack, scared of problems? lol
[17:06] <LuckySMack> no, my dual monitors isnt working
[17:07] <LuckySMack> worked beautifully in 10.04
[17:07] <pepee> ahh, sorry.
[17:07] <Ken8521> did you upgrade or fresh install lucky?
[17:07] <LuckySMack> when i tell it to activate it, tells me to log out and back in, and changes dont take effect. second monitor is still off
[17:08] <LuckySMack> upgrade, was hoping i didnt have to start from scratch. lol
[17:08] <Ken8521> hmm.
[17:08] <pepee> tried using the old config file (xorg.conf) ?
[17:08] <Ken8521> pepee, i was just about to say that
[17:08] <LuckySMack> but im thinking it might not
[17:08] <LuckySMack> not yet
[17:08] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, i know on my nvidia(which i know is apples-oranges)...
[17:08] <LuckySMack> yea
[17:09] <Ken8521> if i start up my second display, it works fine, but if i restart, i'm back to 1 display, until i activate the second one.. it won't save to xorg for some reason.
[17:09] <Ken8521> so i imported my old xorg into the new install, then saved my settings, and it worked fine... now i boot up w/ both displays working
[17:09] <LuckySMack> i cant get it to turn on at all. except for bootup and login screen the screens are mirrored. but i cant even get them to mirror when i see my desktop.
[17:09] <Ken8521> hm
[17:10] <LuckySMack> i dont even remember where the file is. never really had to mess with it tbh, it always worked
[17:11] <pepee> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:11] <pepee> there are some other xorg.conf.<something>
[17:11] <LuckySMack> looks like this is the old one: xorg.conf.dist-upgrade-20100...
[17:12] <LuckySMack> yea a few of them with time stamps on the end
[17:12] <LuckySMack> so just swap the two and reboot?
[17:12] <DrHalan> hey
[17:12] <pepee> well, rename the xorg.conf and then copy the older one
[17:13] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, you'llh ave to rename it.
[17:13] <LuckySMack> yea
[17:13] <Ken8521> and rename your "old" xorg.conf something like "xorg.backup" or something so you can distinguish it
[17:13] <LuckySMack> thats easy enough. ok well ill try. it. hope it works. lol
[17:13] <LuckySMack> yea
[17:13] <DrHalan> i just tried using nouvea. terminal ( imean tty) resolution is fine but x resolution is way too low. i guess nouveau doesn't detect my screen properly. can i somehow increase the resolution of the xoserver
[17:13] <nemo> neat!
[17:13] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, if you're going to cut/paste.. you'll also need nautilus open w/ root priv.
[17:13] <nemo> +# Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs
[17:13] <nemo> go ubuntu!
[17:13] <nemo> I used to maintain that by hand
[17:14] <LuckySMack> nah just gonna use mv
[17:14] <Ken8521> ok..
[17:14]  * nemo ♥ ubuntu
[17:14]  * yofel ♥ kubuntu :P
[17:15]  * Ken8521 hates, HATES kde
[17:15]  * Ken8521 kills KDE w/ fire
[17:15] <LuckySMack> kde looks nice, but i could never get used to it.
[17:15]  * yofel throws gnome into magma
[17:15]  * LuckySMack prefers gnome
[17:16] <pepee> i used to use kde
[17:16] <Ken8521> i'm glad there's a choice.. i mean, gnome, kde, xfce, flux, openbox, enlight, etc, etc..
[17:16] <yofel> well, it's not bad, but since jaunty, my and ayatanas idea of usability go farther and farther away
[17:16] <Ken8521> it is nice having choice.
[17:16] <pepee> too much bugs, too much "candy" and unuseful things
[17:17] <pepee> now I'm using lxde :P
[17:17] <Ken8521> wel, at least canonical isn't just saying, "here's the GUI you're gonna use".. like a certain software company in Redmond.
[17:17] <yofel> well, true. akonadi and nepomuk are a mess -.-
[17:17] <Ken8521> if i had to use kDE... i wouldn't use linux.
[17:18] <yofel> haha
[17:18] <Ken8521> i'm serious
[17:18] <Ken8521> i'd just have to suffer w/ Windows, because I wouldn't pay for a Mac.
[17:19] <yofel> well, we all use linux for it's choices, and are happy with it.. well, more or less
[17:19] <LuckySMack> noop
[17:19] <pepee> kde was fine for me
[17:19] <LuckySMack> didnt work
[17:19] <Ken8521> yofel, yup.
[17:19] <pepee> *kde3
[17:19] <physically_fit> is there a log file for the details when i run the update manager?, where it is? thanks
[17:20] <yofel> kde3 was nice right, 4 was unusable until 4.3 IMHO, now it's getting better again
[17:21] <physically_fit> i updated today and i'm getting hundreds of warnings saying "cannot open pixbuf loader" were those messages logged anywhere?
[17:21] <Ken8521> yofel, why did they remove the guided partitioning tool?
[17:21] <Ken8521> on the installer?
[17:21] <Ken8521> i never used it.. but i think removing it was a mistake
[17:21] <LuckySMack> grr. was hoping i didnt have to start fresh with 10.10...
[17:22] <LuckySMack> what about reinstalling the graphics driver?
[17:22] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, well, thats worth a try
[17:22] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, but you gotta remember, 10.10 is still alpha... there's  agood possibility upgrades between now and final release, will break the ATI driver
[17:22] <yofel> Ken8521: not sure, I always used manual partitioning or used the alternate image if I had a more complex setup
[17:23] <charlie-tca> umm, actually, 10.10 is NOT alpha, we are testing the release candidate today
[17:23] <LuckySMack> i thought it was in RC stage. not very long till it comes out
[17:23] <Ken8521> yeah.. it doesnt matter to me.. but for a new user, booting up, and seeing their options are either "take over the whole drive" or "advanced".. i dunno.. think that was a bad move
[17:23] <charlie-tca> We are past beta
[17:23] <LuckySMack> charlie-tca, ditto
[17:23] <Ken8521> really?
[17:23] <Ken8521> i thought i twas still alpha
[17:23] <yofel> !schedule | Ken8521
[17:23] <yofel> Ken8521: and the topic says 'Beta released...'
[17:24] <Ken8521> guess i didn't read the topic...lol
[17:25] <craz1k> hey guys, who can help me with ubuntu 10.10?
[17:25] <LuckySMack> nobody
[17:25] <LuckySMack> this is a microsoft room
[17:25] <Ken8521> we're all still using ubuntu 5.10
[17:25] <LuckySMack> lmao
[17:25] <yofel> ...
[17:25] <Ken8521> have you guys seen the awesome features of firefox 1.2?
[17:25] <yofel> !ask | craz1k
[17:26] <LuckySMack> Ken8521, they have updated since 0.8? o_O
[17:26] <Ken8521> :)
[17:26] <LuckySMack> time to upgrade
[17:26] <craz1k> oh, ok it's lo, i'm sorry
[17:26] <LuckySMack> lol. craz1k just ask :)
[17:26] <Ken8521> you need to update your system LuckySMack thats probably why you're ati driver doesn't work
[17:27] <LuckySMack> yea. well i did an upgrade to 10.10 and trying to reinstall ati driver. ill try updating again but i should be updated.
[17:27] <Ken8521> yeah, hopefully that works(but i was making another 5.10 joke.. :))
[17:28] <craz1k> i updated my ubuntu to 10.10 and after reboot gnome does notwork. there are only shell and it is asks me to write my log\pass. whrn i try " service gdm start" it isn't work
[17:28] <LuckySMack> 0_O i dont have a System -> Admin -> Software sources . . .
[17:28] <LuckySMack> Ken8521, ah. heh
[17:28] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, i noticed that also
[17:28] <Ken8521> i guess it's not a huge deal, the source list isn't hard to edit, or you can do the same thing via synaptic.
[17:28] <Ken8521> but i liked having the GUI tool in the menu
[17:29] <Pici> Its been merged with another tool iirc.
[17:29] <LuckySMack> going to update manager -> setting still brings up soft. sources though
[17:30] <yofel> right, the Software Sources menu entry has been hidden, you're supposed to call it from within software center now
[17:30]  * LuckySMack never uses software center
[17:30] <nemo> hm
[17:30]  * Ken8521 doesn't either
[17:30] <nemo> my machine kind of hung during the upgrade to maverick
[17:30] <nemo> I connected from another machine, everything seemed fine
[17:31] <nemo> went back to first machine and my attempt at ctrl-alt-f1 had worked, I was on a vt
[17:31] <nemo> tried switching back to X and I appear to be on what looks like the gdm background, only w/ nothing else
[17:31] <nemo> also, maverick continues to use CPU in background
[17:31] <Ken8521> i also like how if you have an internet connection, you can choose to install multimedia codecs and updates, during the install, rather than doing it after you're installed.
[17:32] <nemo> I can just hope the maverick upgrade won't require any further interaction.  now is probably not a good time to try restarting it
[17:32] <LuckySMack> Ken8521,  nice
[17:32] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, yup... as long as you're connected to the internet, you get two boxes, 1. to install all the current updates(nice if you're usin an old CD) and 1 to install restricted stuff.. so it's all ready on the first boot
[17:33] <pepee> common problem i see in almost every new version is grub not installing/running correctly :/
[17:33] <LuckySMack> yea, im getting ready to download the RC disk.
[17:33] <LuckySMack> grub was my big issue in 10.04 everything else worked
[17:33] <Ken8521> pepee, i've not had a grub problem since probably 5.10, 6.06
[17:34] <Ken8521> i liked how easy grub was t configure w/ menu.lst... but grub2, once you get the hang of setting up the config file, it's just as easy
[17:34] <LuckySMack> i had to reinstall grub because it didnt detect my windows install properly so i wasnt able to boot into windows
[17:34] <pepee> not that I have those problems, but other people does
[17:35] <pepee> last one I had was a bug in mountall or something like that...
[17:35] <LuckySMack> wtf
[17:35] <yofel> nemo: it should now, but when the activity stops, try to kill X and run dpkg --configure -a to be sure the upgrade finished fine.
[17:35] <yofel> *should not
[17:36] <LuckySMack> "requires installation of untrusted packages" and cancels down/installing the updates
[17:36] <yofel> LuckySMack: refresh the package cache again, gpg key corrupted on download I guess
[17:37] <LuckySMack> installed fine from cli. thats why i use the cli more often . . .
[17:39] <Ken8521> is a new version of Skype ever going to come out for Linux?
[17:39] <Ken8521> or are we just gonna have skype 2.1beta until the year 2030
[17:39] <pegasusbill> what is best way to upgrade from 10.10 beta to lts on october
[17:40] <nemo> yofel: well, it has prompted a couple of times for modified config files
[17:40] <LuckySMack> thousands of comedians out of work, and youre trying to crack jokes.
[17:40] <Ken8521> pegasusbill, keep your system up to date, and that will do it.
[17:40] <pegasusbill> thanks
[17:40] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, lol, was that directed at me?
[17:40] <LuckySMack> yea.
[17:40] <yofel> 10.10 isn't lts btw..
[17:40] <Ken8521> well, i thought it was funny...lol
[17:41] <Ken8521> good point yofel
[17:41] <LuckySMack> i dont think we will get skype any time soon
[17:41] <charlie-tca> !final
[17:42] <Ken8521> LuckySMack, well, i don't think we'll get a "new' skype anytime soon
[17:42] <LuckySMack> yea
[17:42] <Ken8521> 2.1 works fine for me... i don't need al the extra crap that 4.whatever has
[17:43] <LuckySMack> installed gfx driver. restarting. hopefully it works this time
[17:47] <LuckySMack> noop not my gfx card either. i can even use compiz
[17:47] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:47] <LuckySMack> so idk wtf its doin
[17:47] <LuckySMack> im just gonna DL the disk and so a fresh install.
[17:48]  * LuckySMack groans
[17:48] <LuckySMack> so much stuff to install...
[17:48] <Ken8521> it'l be ok
[17:48] <nemo> heh. I'm watching maverick on strace to see if I can gain clues as to whether it is done or just sitting there
[17:48] <nemo> does a loooot of polling for nonexistent stuff
[17:49] <nemo> like. every few seconds it attempts to add a watch for /root/.config/ibus/bus using inotify
[17:49] <nemo> which fails
[17:49] <nemo> then it tries again
[17:49] <nemo> no idea if this is normal for modern gnome apps... probably is :-/
[17:50] <hackeron> hey, anyone able to get linux-crashdump working on maverick? - I installed it, rebooted, induced a panic but can't see anything in /var/crash - any ideas?
[17:51] <Ken8521> yofel, how can i find an icon on my laptop, that a program is using?  I've went through the theme I'm using, and it's not there...
[17:52] <AlexzAK> Hi all
[17:52] <AlexzAK> I want to report bug on 10.10 beta,
[17:52] <Ken8521> !bug
[17:52] <AlexzAK> but on page https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick link "Report a bug" points to
[17:52] <AlexzAK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:52] <AlexzAK>  How can i report bug in ubuntu 10.10 beta installer?
[17:52] <AlexzAK> !bug
[17:52] <Ken8521> what'st he bug, i thought the installer was pretty good?
[17:53] <nemo> Ken8521: certainly isn't working as expected for me ;)
[17:53] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:53] <AlexzAK> I don't understend....  I should type "ubuntu-bug installer"?
[17:53] <nemo> but, lots of moving parts, upgrading a running system can be tricky
[17:53] <nemo> there's always the option of using CD upgrade, which I can resort to if things get really mucked up
[17:53] <Ken8521> AlexzAK, if it's truly a bug in the installer, I'd be willing to bet it's already been reported
[17:55] <AlexzAK> I think not.. Search on bug dont say any problems with russian translation...
[17:56] <AlexzAK> It's not layouted wall
[17:56] <AlexzAK> well*
[17:56] <nemo> welp. I've been watching the maverick process for a number of minutes, and nothing has been happing in ltrace/strace apart from this inotify spam
[17:57] <yofel> AlexzAK: live disk or alternate installer?
[17:57] <AlexzAK> live
[17:57] <yofel> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[17:57] <AlexzAK> Can you say where can i upload screenshots?
[17:58] <yofel> AlexzAK: you can add attachments to the bug once you have filed it
[17:59] <AlexzAK> Should i do "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" on 10.10, or i can do it on 10.04 ?
[17:59] <LuckySMack> ubuntu 10.10 download. only 2 hrs to go...
[18:00] <Ken8521> yofel, how can i find an icon on my laptop, that a program is using?  I've went through the theme I'm using, and it's not there...
[18:01] <yofel> hm...
[18:02] <Pici> Icon themes can specify themes to fallback to if icons aren't found.
[18:02] <Ken8521> hmm.... so you're saying that icon could be in another theme, because the theme i have selected doesn't have an icon for that program/
[18:02] <yofel> AlexzAK: you really should do it on 10.10, and please do read the ReportingBugs page before filing the bug
[18:03] <rafael_> I installed ubuntu with wubi. Afater upgrading it, ubuntu doesnt start correctly. Instead, it shows grub command line
[18:03] <Ken8521> hmm, well thats not it, i just went thorugh all my icon themes, and none of them have that icon.
[18:04] <yofel> Ken8521: applications can provide their own icons, look in /usr/share/pixmaps maybe
[18:04] <Ken8521> i didn't see it there..
[18:04] <nemo> WELP
[18:05] <AlexzAK> yofel: Failed to do it on both O.o ... "Cannot connect to crash database, please chack your _inet connection_ [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/installer/casper.log'"
[18:05] <nemo> time to kill maverick I guess
[18:05] <yofel> does dpkg -L <pkgname> list files that sound like icons?
[18:05] <nemo> I think that 1 or 2% CPU is maverick doing nothing but this repeated dbus polling
[18:05] <nemo> perhaps due to my session blowing up
[18:05] <yofel> AlexzAK: o.O... try 'sudo ubuntu-bug ubiquity' maybe
[18:06] <nemo> recovery time!
[18:06] <rafael_> I installed ubuntu with wubi. Afater upgrading it, ubuntu doesnt start correctly. Instead, it shows grub command line
[18:06] <jbroome> fix grub
[18:06] <Ken8521> this is irritating
[18:06] <Ken8521> this icon has to be soemwhere.. cuz when i change my icon theme, it changes.
[18:07] <nemo> hm.
[18:07] <nemo> process list shows a dpkg one
[18:07] <rafael_> jbroome, didnt work. Its not a normal installation. I installed with wubi
[18:07] <nemo> perhaps I can kill it and rerun it
[18:07] <AlexzAK> yofel: 'sudo ubuntu-bug ubiquity' works... thanks
[18:08] <yofel> nemo: first try to kill X, if there's a debconf prompt it should error out then
[18:08] <nemo> uhoh
[18:09] <nemo> yofel: you were too late :-/
[18:09] <nemo> I already killed it
[18:09] <yofel> well, try dpkg --configure -a, and then try to resume the upgrade with apt-get or aptitude
[18:09] <nemo> dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor
[18:09] <nemo> yep
[18:09] <rafael_> I installed ubuntu with wubi. Afater upgrading it, ubuntu doesnt start correctly. Instead, it shows grub command line
[18:09] <nemo> ah-hah
[18:09] <nemo> propts for modified cupsd
[18:09] <nemo> prompts
[18:09] <nemo> must have been waiting on that
[18:10] <hackeron> anyone able to get linux-crashdump working on maverick? - I installed it, rebooted, induced a panic but can't see anything in /var/crash - any ideas?
[18:10] <nemo> ah. my UPS conf file...
[18:10] <nemo> I wish ubuntu had "interactive merge" like gentoo
[18:10] <nemo> I'd like to get some of this stuff
[18:15] <LuckySMack> when installing ubuntu from disk, is it possible to have it look in a given directory for .deb files? since i did an upgrade i dont really need it to download the files again.
[18:15] <LuckySMack> or should i just install basic system and put them back into /var/cache/apt/archive dir
[18:15] <LuckySMack> then update/install
[18:15] <nemo> switched to a shell and just ran vim -d on the two files
[18:21] <nemo> hmmm. "software-center" - gtkwarning could not open display - here's hoping it wasn't important
[18:23] <rafael_> I installed ubuntu with wubi. Afater upgrading it, ubuntu doesnt start correctly. Instead, it shows grub command line
[18:24] <jbroome> rafael_: maybe the 5th time will be the charm!
[18:24] <nemo> ugh. computer janitor uses polkit too.
[18:24] <nemo> hm
[18:24] <nemo> I wonder if I can replace the shortcut w/ gksudo
[18:25] <nemo> sweet that works
[18:26]  * nemo goes on a DIE POLKIT DIE hunt
[18:26] <nemo> I'm gonna try update-manager next :)
[18:27] <rafael_> jbroome, could you help please
[18:27] <rafael_> jbroome, I already google it too many times
[18:27] <jbroome> rafael_: i have no experience with wubi
[18:28] <nemo>  Loading /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
[18:28] <nemo> undefined symbol: savedScreenInfo
[18:28] <nemo> Failed to load module "fglrx"
[18:28] <nemo> crap
[18:30] <yofel> rafael_: it's hard to say what went wrong, is there *any* error message or just the grub prompt?
[18:30] <nemo> ah bug #573748
[18:32] <pepee> nemo, try installing it from xorg-edgers
[18:32] <pepee> and please, tell me how it goes :/
[18:33] <yofel> there is 2:8.771-0ubuntu0sarvatt in x-updates too before you try edgers
[18:34] <yofel> oh wait, that's the old one
[18:34] <nemo> 'k. first I need to get X back
[18:35] <yofel> rafael_: ping?
[18:35] <rafael_> yofel, sorry
[18:35] <nemo> tried switching to radeon in xorg.conf, but... dunno. seems I now have a blank monitor
[18:35] <nemo> and ctrl-alt-f1 fails
[18:35]  * nemo tries ssh
[18:35] <rafael_> yofel, No, theres no error msg
[18:35] <rafael_> yofel, It only show grub
[18:36] <yofel> rafael_: does 'ls /boot' in the grub prompt show any vmlinuz-* files?
[18:37] <rafael_> yofel, yes
[18:37] <yofel> ok, then it at least finds the right partition..
[18:40] <yofel> rafael_: 'ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg' finds a grub.cfg file?
[18:44] <nemo> heh. lovely output from radeon "You will probably crash now"
[18:44] <cwillu_at_work> you around mvo?
[18:45] <nemo> mvo?
[18:46] <yofel> nemo: Micael Vogt, mvo on IRC ;)
[18:46] <nemo> ah
[18:46] <yofel> *Michael
[18:46] <nemo> well. this is pretty high up on my list of not-smooth ubuntu upgrades
[18:47] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: hello
[18:47] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[18:47] <mvo> nemo: upgrade issues?
[18:47] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, dougsko in #ubuntu-offtopic is asking about the reasons for having do-release-upgrade vs a simple aptitude full-upgrade;  would you mind giving a brief explanation?
[18:48] <cwillu_at_work> pure coincidence that I pinged you at the same time nemo was killing his radeon :p
[18:48] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: sure, just invite him here
[18:48] <mvo> hhehe :)
[18:48] <Ken8521> finally found that freakin icon
[18:48] <Ken8521> lol
[18:48] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, <dougsko> maco: i guess...it just seems weird to stray from something that has obviously been quite successful for a pretty long time
[18:48] <nemo> greeat.  radeon crashes, fglrx blows up, vesa gives me  a screen of garbage then crashes...
[18:49] <nemo> can't get into X to try yofel's suggestion, since I don't know my way around such packages on the commandline
[18:49] <Ken8521> it's a sign nemo... buy nvidia.
[18:49] <mvo> the release upgrader basicly does everything in one step, sources.list update, upgrade, removal of no longer used packages. plus (probably most important) it conains some quirks code that works around known problems
[18:49] <nemo> Ken8521: heh. worked great in 10.04 - anyway, I didn't buy this machine.
[18:49] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, "man add-apt-repository" and "aptitude install <foo>"
[18:49] <nemo> Ken8521: also, irritates me how sucky nvidia's integration w/ X is
[18:50] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: ok. and what repository would that be? :)
[18:50] <nemo> I was going to start by googling for the keyword he mentioned
[18:50] <mvo> dougsko: its fine to use aptitude of course, just a litle bit more manual work
[18:50] <pepee> mvo, what's the diff between that and using aptitude after editting sources.list ?
[18:50] <nemo> I do know add-apt-repository
[18:50] <yofel> nemo: if you mean x-updates, forget that, try edgers, and you can add ppas on the command line with add-apt-repository
[18:50] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, whichever one he said to use :p
[18:50] <yofel> nemo: nvidia works perfectly fine here btw.
[18:50] <cwillu_at_work> oh, sorry
[18:50] <pepee> ahh
[18:50] <nemo> yofel: ok. do you have a full name?
[18:50] <nemo> yofel: sure. I use nvidia at home, and intel on the laptop
[18:50] <dougsko> mvo: i was lead to believe that using aptitude could break things due to the lack of the "quirks code"
[18:50] <dougsko> *led
[18:51] <nemo> yofel: still annoying how it doesn't integrate nicely
[18:51] <RedSheel1> hello
[18:51] <mvo> pepee: its mostly the same, it will automatically apply quirks that we put into the release notes
[18:51] <pepee> thanks mvo
[18:51] <yofel> nemo: name for the ppa? sec
[18:51] <mvo> dougsko: well, for a experienced person it should not matter much
[18:51] <RedSheel1> I have a computer running ubuntu 10.10 that I use without a monitor to download torrents
[18:51] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, dougsko, modulo knowing what the resolution is supposed to be
[18:51] <nemo> yofel: hm. I guess I could google for it in w3m, come to think of it
[18:51] <RedSheel1> it runs deluge but since upgrading to 10.10 it crashes all the time
[18:51] <yofel> nemo: ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[18:51] <mvo> dougsko, pepee: u-m will for example refuse to upgrade if ubuntu-desktop (or kubuntu-desktop) can not be upgraded or needs to be removed
[18:52] <mvo> or it will automatically remove "driver "nvidia" from your xorg.conf is the nvidida driver can not be upgraded (it will warn about that)
[18:52] <mvo> this kind of stuff, mostly quirks plus checks
[18:52] <nemo> ugh. damn. DNS resolution is slow as ever in 10.10 - I was hoping that had been resolved :(
[18:52]  * nemo waits 10s for it to pull up
[18:52] <dougsko> mvo: ok gotcha, so it helps reduce the bugs you might find after simply upgrading
[18:53] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, I'm doubting that that's an ubuntu thing
[18:53] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like?
[18:53] <cwillu_at_work> and do you some half-insane ipv6 implemented on your network? :p
[18:53] <RedSheel1> is there some way to use the 10.04 version of deluge on 10.10?
[18:53] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: meh. I've been over this in launchpad
[18:53] <RedSheel1> because that worked great
[18:53] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: here. lemme link you rather than rehashing
[18:54] <nemo> bug #417447
[18:54] <nemo> comments #279 on
[18:54] <nemo> friggen idealism
[18:54] <hackeron> anyone able to get linux-crashdump working on maverick? - I installed it, rebooted, induced a panic but can't see anything in /var/crash - any ideas?
[18:54] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, don't think that's the right bug
[18:55] <nemo> oops
[18:55] <cwillu_at_work> in the sense of "I'm dead certain that's not the right bug" :p
[18:55] <nemo> my bad
[18:55] <nemo> bug #417757
[18:55] <mvo> dougsko: yeah, its basicly the release-notes-in-code
[18:56] <dougsko> mvo: cool man, thanks for clarifying
[18:56] <nemo> add-apt-resporitory failed on the fetch of the key from keyserver.ubuntu.com - I do seem to recall having that problem before - perhaps the firewall here is blocking access on a particular port, 'cause w3m to keyserver.ubuntu.com works fine
[18:56] <nemo> guess I'm doing it manually...
[19:00] <nemo> ah-hah
[19:00] <mvo> nemo: what is the error?
[19:00] <nemo> yep. the keyserver uses 11371
[19:00] <nemo> that is blocked from our firewall
[19:00] <nemo> bugger. whose bright idea was it to use that for an http connection? :)
[19:00] <nemo> tons of firewalls block all kinds of ports
[19:01] <mvo> I guess that is the keyserver protocol port
[19:01] <nemo> is the reason I'm so glad debian package management doesn't rely on rsync or svn or git
[19:01] <mvo> but … its a very good point
[19:01] <nemo> all of which I also have to proxy
[19:01]  * nemo fetches the key from home and scp's it over
[19:02] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, so, half-insane ipv6 support on your network :p
[19:02] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: yes. but. I'm not alone
[19:02] <cwillu_at_work> note that the "fixes" from previous releases break things for ivp6 adopters
[19:03] <nemo> and unfortunately, large corporate networks are not as flexible
[19:03] <soc1> hi
[19:03] <cwillu_at_work> large corporate networks can install the workarounds by hand if they feel the need
[19:03] <soc1> does someone know the status of the "new" ubuntu fonts?
[19:03] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: whiiich, is what I've been doing by hand on the various ubuntu machines
[19:03] <soc1> will they be made default? will fixes still get in?
[19:03] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: since, as noted in the bug, ubuntu is the outsider.
[19:04] <nemo> some sort of automation would be thoughtful, but clearly this is another idealogical ipv6 thingy...
[19:04] <pepee> reboot...
[19:07] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, I'm not sure how to nicely say that your rhetoric is bunk
[19:07] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: well. the rhetoric in the bug was pretty extreme on the other side
[19:07] <nemo> On the contrary, Ubuntu is not a position to deviate from pushing forward with IPv6 just because some of you have broken hardware.
[19:07] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, that's because there are real technical problems that can't be papered over as simply as you wish they could be
[19:08] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, extreme rhetoric isn't a problem if it's _correct_
[19:08] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: well, clearly the papering over works.
[19:08] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: chrome does it
[19:08] <cwillu_at_work> nemo, no, no it doesn't.  As I said, it causes problems
[19:08] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: what problem besides the localhost thing which is easily solved?
[19:09] <nemo> heck. the firefox guys are about to apply it to their browser too
[19:09] <nemo> anyway. many people saying chrome was much faster under linux were encountering this behaviour
[19:09] <nemo> where firefox DNS resolution would take 5+ seconds
[19:09] <nemo> while chrome had applied the "papering over"
[19:11] <AlexzAK> to all : why should i add bugs using "ubuntu-bug" command, not just by clicking "Report bug" link ?
[19:12] <nemo> hm. fglrx is still failing w/ edgers
[19:12] <nemo> here's hoping radeon does better
[19:12] <yofel> AlexzAK: because apport adds some information about your system to the report that helps in debugging the issue usually
[19:13] <yofel> it also adds some critical information like the release you're using, package version, architecure, ...
[19:13] <AlexzAK> it is painful to report 3 bugs on slow and unstable inet connection with 10.10 on virtual box :'(
[19:16] <AlexzAK> i added bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/650508
[19:16] <DanaG> nemo: edgers has an X server that's not compatible with fglrx, perhaps even now.
[19:16] <DanaG> Only the Maverick repo fglrx is compatible with the Maverick non-edgers X server.
[19:16] <AlexzAK> and i added https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/650471
[19:17] <nemo> DanaG: well. I ran into fglrx problems immediately after upgrade to Xorg
[19:17] <nemo> er
[19:17] <nemo> to maverick
[19:17] <nemo> DanaG: edgers was a channel suggestion - yofel to be specific
[19:17] <nemo> anyway, the actual error was unchanged
[19:17] <nemo> radeonhd seems like it would work
[19:17] <nemo> just complains about kernel mdesetting.
[19:18] <nemo> heck. I even finally have a proper resolution on my VTs :)
[19:18] <nemo> nice to have framebuffer back
[19:18] <yofel> sry, didn't know that edgers X was even more incompatible
[19:18] <nemo> both give same savedScreenInfo error
[19:18] <nemo> doesn't really matter much
[19:21] <nemo> oh. radeonhd is unsupported? did not know that
[19:21] <nOStahl> hey guys, I cant get the installer to run, boots down to no init found. try passing init= bootarg.
[19:21] <nemo> meh. radeon completely blows up - back to trying radeonhd
[19:21] <nOStahl> and im in busybox initramfs terminal
[19:21] <yofel> nemo: huh? who said that?
[19:22] <nOStahl> any ideas or a link to how to bypass this
[19:22] <nemo> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg98322.html
[19:22] <nemo> yofel: found when googling for the radeon error
[19:22] <nemo> Or (better) stop using radeonhd and use radeon instead since only the
[19:22] <nemo> latter is supported nowadays.
[19:22] <yofel> ah
[19:22] <nemo> but maybe that's just a debian thing
[19:23] <nemo> rebooted, trying "nomodeset"
[19:23] <Ken8521> debian and ubuntu are like siamese twins
[19:23] <nemo> p'raps
[19:23] <nemo> but they still have 2 heads
[19:23] <nemo> nope. that didn't help. back to a full-on crash
[19:23] <Ken8521> yeah, but they usually share a brain
[19:23] <Ken8521> lol
[19:24]  * nemo sighs and reboots in text mode
[19:24] <nemo> hm. ok. so no fglrx, no vesa, no radeon, no radeonhd
[19:24] <nemo> I'm in baaaad shape
[19:24] <intrader> I have made 18gb available (currently have windowsXP and ubuntu 10.04)- I would like to install 10.10beta into it, I don't know how to do that
[19:24] <nemo> time to reinstall lucid p'raps
[19:25] <GA_Bull> Intrader, you want to install 10.10 inside 10.04, or inside XP?
[19:25] <nOStahl> hey are any of you guys having issues running 10.10 live off usb
[19:25] <nOStahl> it kepes booting me to initramfs terminal
[19:25] <nemo> wish DanaG could have elaborated on fglrx working in maverick before vanishing :)
[19:25] <nOStahl> no init found. try pasing init=bootarg
[19:25] <intrader> GA_Bull, Independently - why do I need to install inside 10.04 or XP
[19:26] <yofel> nOStahl: my last attempt with the kubuntu daily from yesterday booted fine
[19:26] <GA_Bull> Intrader, I dunno, your wording threw me off. and you should simply be able to use the live boot, and run the installer, and have it set up a different partition.
[19:26] <nOStahl> off usb?
[19:26] <yofel> nOStahl: yes
[19:26] <GA_Bull> Intrader, then it should just let you choose between, 10.10, 10.04, and XP.
[19:27] <GA_Bull> or am I confused as to what you are attempting to do?
[19:27] <Ken8521> i've never setup a triple boot machine
[19:27] <Ken8521> the one time i tried(long time ago) ended in fail
[19:28] <GA_Bull> Ken, neither have I, should work though, I mean technically that's what I was previously running, I had Jaunty Jackelope, Vista, and a Windows Recovery System on another partition... sorta triple boot...
[19:29] <nemo> hm. and I bet removing edgers will not be as easy as adding it was
[19:29] <intrader> GA_Bull, I have just downloaded the desktop install CD for 10.10. When I try it it goes into full install, no choice of 10.04 and XP
[19:29] <yofel> nemo: ppa-purge should do everything
[19:29] <GA_Bull> Intrader, Are you running Live install, or Alternate?
[19:30] <intrader> GA_Bull, live install - I think - how do I tell?
[19:31] <GA_Bull> Intrader, is it all pretty and graphical, or is it Blue, Red, Grey, and Black?
[19:31] <intrader> GA_Bull, not graphical
[19:31] <nOStahl> I cant find a link to the daily build torrent
[19:31] <nemo> yofel: neat. last time I'd tried a PPA to get evolution MAPI support working (turns out davmail was only thing that did) I was told that ubuntu didn't really do downgrade
[19:31] <nOStahl> is there one
[19:31] <nemo> yofel: so I uninstalled it all by hand
[19:32] <GA_Bull> Intrader, Ok, when you get to the part about partitioning, it should let you manually set up a partition, you should then be able to set up a third section of your drive, in the size of your choice, to run 10.10 off.
[19:32] <hackeron> anyone able to get linux-crashdump working on maverick? - I installed it, rebooted, induced a panic but can't see anything in /var/crash - any ideas?
[19:32] <GA_Bull> Intrader, I believe it gives you three choices when doing the partition, something like Guided, Manual, and Maunal with Encrypted LVM, or something along those lines.....
[19:33] <intrader> GA_Bull, I have seen that
[19:33] <nemo> awesome. xorg-edgers is even one of their examples :)
[19:33] <GA_Bull> Intrader, what was the last point you got to on the install?
[19:34] <yofel> nOStahl: there isn't a torrent afaik, I usually use zsync
[19:34] <nemo> hm. removes a bunch of gnome stuff hope it puts it back after. this is some pretty important packages.
[19:34] <nemo> and not ones that xorg-edgers had installed :(
[19:34] <intrader> GA_Bull, in the partitioner - I discontinued in order to use Gpartd to make the space available.
[19:34] <nOStahl> my prob is I got a 4 gig ssd so I cant upgrade from one distro to another heh
[19:35] <nOStahl> well, unless I symblink to a sd card for the distrosource dir
[19:35] <GA_Bull> Intrader, hmmm. and it didn't give you the different partitioning options?
[19:35] <yofel> nOStahl: you could plug a flashdrive in and mount /var/cache/apt/archives there, as that takes the most space during the upgrade
[19:35] <nOStahl> aye
[19:35] <intrader> GA_Bull, I did not notice - or did not know how to shrink the old /home to make the space
[19:36] <nOStahl> so any of you tried the new Unity yet
[19:36] <nOStahl> from watching youtube vid's, im not entirely sure i'll like it
[19:36] <GA_Bull> nOStahl, well... the installer was a failure, so now my netbook is just running 10.10 desktop edition.
[19:36] <GA_Bull> Intrader, it should do it for you.
[19:37] <nOStahl> gnome shell looks promising
[19:38] <GA_Bull> I mean... it looked ok when I was *ahem cough cough* Attempting to run the live boot... which was a failure, and then the Installer continually froze... so I just gave up on it... it was pretty though. I give it that. haha
[19:38] <intrader> GA_Bull, well I have use gpartd and now there should be an 18gb space. How to I choose that to make '/', 'swap', '/home'?
[19:38] <nOStahl> unity vs gnome shell what would you pick
[19:39] <GA_Bull> nOStahl, gnome shell. It's a more, comfortable, for lack of better word, system... personally.
[19:39] <GA_Bull> Intrader, you should be able to select that partition when running the install.
[19:39] <GA_Bull> and just tell it to use that full partition.
[19:39] <nOStahl> im leaning to gnome shell as well,
[19:39] <nOStahl> more of a standard
[19:39] <joajimenez> @Nostahl: Unity!
[19:39] <nOStahl> that I can get comfortable with.
[19:40] <nOStahl> why unity joajimenez
[19:40] <GA_Bull> yea... it just makes more since, and I personally, like being able to make my gui exactly what I want, which seems to be a tad more difficult on Unity.
[19:40] <GA_Bull> ya know?
[19:41] <intrader> GA_Bull, I will rerun and see. I am doing this on account of bug 631130 - my 10.04 is awafull to use. Last night I tried openSolaris and it runs beautifully - I want to stay with ubuntu however.
[19:41] <GA_Bull> aIntrader, completely understand... I had that problem on my previous system.
[19:42] <GA_Bull> Intrader* not aIntrader....
[19:42] <joajimenez> Unity: Easier for the user, Better UI (for the Netbooks), Good development, Look nice.
[19:42] <intrader> GA_Bull, np - I will try to see if 10.04 partitioner gives me the choices. How do I partition the 18gb space?
[19:43] <GA_Bull> Intrader, I thought you already did that.
[19:43] <nOStahl> gnome shell looks sooo MMMMMMMM heh
[19:43] <intrader> GA_Bull, what I did was use gpartd (stanalone) to make the 18GB space
[19:43] <nOStahl> I have not gotten this excited in a while heh
[19:44] <nOStahl> live video even in the zoomed out mode
[19:44] <GA_Bull> Intrader, OK, gotcha. I'm personally not super familiar with the partitioner. So i'm not sure I can walk you through that :/
[19:45] <intrader> GA_Bull, how should I ask for help? thanks for your help!
[19:45] <GA_Bull> Anybody on here familiar with Partitioner?
[19:46] <intrader> GA_Bull, uhm, that was simple - I am a newbie using the irc.
[19:47] <GA_Bull> Intrader, lol, yea, I'm relatively new too, but did find out pretty quickly that with the massive number of people on, if you just throw a question out, somebody will eventually answer.
[19:48] <intrader> GA_Bull, thanks - I will ask your question again with some info.
[19:48] <GA_Bull> Intrader, no problem.
[19:48] <nemo> hm. fglrx might just have been messed up and never properly upgraded for maverick
[19:49] <intrader> Anybody on here familiar with Partitioner - I have made 18GB empty space available and would like to install 10.10 there
[19:49] <nemo> ran into this and had to use the dpkg-divert to fix
[19:49] <nemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-186602.html
[19:51] <nemo> huh. why can't I do apt-get install fglrx
[19:51] <nemo> odd.
[19:52] <hackeron> anyone able to get linux-crashdump working on maverick? - I installed it, rebooted, induced a panic but can't see anything in /var/crash - any ideas?
[19:53] <yofel> hackeron: you could ask in #ubuntu-kernel too if anyone is there
[19:54] <hackeron> yofel: thanks, asking there :)
[19:55] <intrader> Anyone would be willing to help with partitioner? I have made 18Gb space available (using Gpartd) and would like help with installing 10.10 therein.
[19:56] <Ken8521> intrader, what do you need to know?
[19:57] <intrader> Ken8521: how to set up a '/', 'swap',and '/home' for 10.10 inside that space
[19:57] <Ken8521> ok.. is your machine only windows?
[19:58] <Ken8521> you really don't need /home, unless you just absolutely must have it... i'm assuming since you're asking this, you've never installed before
[19:58] <intrader> Ken8521: no it has Windows XP, Windows 7 (in virtualbox), ubuntu 10.04
[19:58] <Ken8521> well, 7 doesn't matter
[19:59] <intrader> Ken8521: I thought so as well
[19:59] <Ken8521> all you need to do is size it appropriately.. i don't usually set up a separate home partitioon, so if i were setting up your 18gigs, I would make a 3gig swap, and a 15gig / setup as ext4
[20:01] <intrader> Ken8521: would the partitioner allow me to do that? - I find it convenient to have /home also (I can then update/change the OS)
[20:02] <Ken8521> intrader, i don't see why it wouldn't... my point was, i don't erally know how big you would want to make /home and / as opposed to anything else
[20:02] <GA_Bull> Unity Sucks. that is all..
[20:02] <Ken8521> lol
[20:02] <GA_Bull> and i'm off for a while.
[20:02] <Ken8521> what is unity?
[20:02] <GA_Bull> The stupid netbook version. I finally got Unity Desktop Envrionment loaded on top of 10.10. and it sucks.
[20:02] <intrader> Ken8521: 6gb root, 3 swap, 9 home
[20:03] <Ken8521> that seems huge for /home(compared to what i've saw before) but if thats what you want to do... ok.
[20:03] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, hmm... yeah i remember you were having issues w/ that last night
[20:03] <Ken8521> why didn't you just stick w/ gnome?
[20:03] <GA_Bull> I did, I just added the desktop envrionment to try it out.
[20:04] <Ken8521> ic..
[20:04] <GA_Bull> and it sucks.
[20:04] <intrader> Ken8521: may I should increase root. But how do I tell the partitioner to do this - can you walk me through this?
[20:05] <Ken8521> intrader, all you have to do is size them appropriately.. i guess i don't understand whats confusing you.
[20:05] <Ken8521> are you at the partition stage?
[20:05] <Ken8521> intrader, and as far as sizes, like i said, i don't know...
[20:06] <intrader> Ken8521: the mechanics of the partitioner - it is pretty crude. I also would have two roots, two swaps, two homes.
[20:06] <compilerwriter> How has the beta been shaping up for you folks?
[20:06] <Ken8521> compilerwriter, working fine for me
[20:06] <Ken8521> intrader, yeah, i'm really not sure on your setup, and I don't want to be responsible for a wreck...
[20:07] <intrader> Ken8521: np - I would not put a contract on you ): lol
[20:08] <GA_Bull> compilerwriter, running fine except for a few small bugs.
[20:09] <cwillu_at_work> !info inkscape
[20:09] <intrader> compilerwriter: what language?
[20:09] <compilerwriter> GA_Bull: what bugs are you having
[20:09] <compilerwriter> English intrader
[20:10] <intrader> compilerwriter: I mean what computer languages do you write compilers - I do C++, and others
[20:10] <GA_Bull> compilerwriter, nm-applet disappearing, and power manager crashing... and the messages applet disappearing, lol. Nothing major. And I seem to have been able to work them out.
[20:11] <compilerwriter> I haven't attempted to write a compiler in years.  That was an irc handle given me in 1990.  It was more of a commentary of my esoteric bent.  Someone in a programming class figured that is what I would end up doing.
[20:11] <lupine_85> compilerwriter, you could always help out with llvm
[20:12] <compilerwriter> lupine_85: I am probably not qulaified.  I have no idea what llvm is.
[20:12] <lupine_85> just a new compiler
[20:12] <intrader> compilerwriter: cool
[20:12] <lupine_85> it makes the gcc folk cry a bit
[20:13] <intrader> lupine_85: I did as well - somewhat crude stuff
[20:13] <compilerwriter> oh dear I have used gcc off and on.  It was the mid nineties when I last tried to compile something by hand.
[20:13] <compilerwriter> I can barely remember make.
[20:15] <lupine_85> I wrote an x86 assembler
[20:15] <lupine_85> well, partly
[20:15] <lupine_85> it could do com files with NOP, MOV and INT
[20:16] <intrader> Ken8521: I am back at the partitioning step - shows me pri/log 19GB Free Space - that space I want to partition
[20:16] <Ken8521> yeah.
[20:16] <Ken8521> so just set it up how you said before.
[20:18] <intrader> Ken8521: then when I chose that, it allows me to chose 'Automatically partition the free space'. What does it do?
[20:18] <Ken8521> automatically partition, usually creates a swap and a /
[20:19] <intrader> Ken8521: no chance to create /home?
[20:19] <Ken8521> not unless you do it manually
[20:19]  * Ken8521 feels like he's repeating himself
[20:20] <intrader> Ken8521: I will do so - carefully - no contracts!
[20:20] <nemo> hm. I cannot find packages fglrx or fglrx-installer
[20:20] <nemo> is this perhaps that they don't exist for AMD64?
[20:20] <nemo> or is it that I'm missing some crucial repository
[20:20] <Ken8521> possible
[20:20] <nemo> trying to poke around the ubuntu package server to figure out what the apt-line would be
[20:22] <nemo> says "restricted"
[20:22] <nemo> sooo p'raps I'm missing somesuch repo
[20:22] <nemo> ah. I see deb-src but not deb for "restricted"
[20:31] <intrader> Ken8521: none of your fault - after the partitioner ended it went to 'installing the base system' - I hope all is well with grug (in the near future)
[20:31] <Ken8521> yup..
[20:31] <intrader> Ken8521: Grub I mean
[20:50] <svu> is there a fix for those nasty GLib-GIO-ERROR messages?
[20:51] <svu> some apps do not even start because of that
[20:51] <nemo> woooooohoooo!!!!!
[20:51] <nemo> yayayayayayaya
[20:51] <nemo> yofel: so. FWIW...
[20:51] <nemo> yofel: this might have been due to that install that died. maybe...
[20:52] <nemo> anyway. I blew away all fglrx related stuff.
[20:52] <nemo> including needing to use that dpkg tool due to the bad path.
[20:52] <yofel> hm
[20:52] <nemo> I then still couldn't find the freakin' fglrx package even after reading and re-reading my sources.list
[20:52] <nemo> sooo
[20:52] <nemo> I copied over a sources.list from another amd64 machine I had
[20:52] <nemo> updated.
[20:52] <nemo> installed the suddenly visible fglrx
[20:52] <nemo> happy times
[20:53] <yofel> heh
[20:53] <nemo> I wish apt-get update had a "suggest" feature - like "this package is located here, add this line to sources.list to enable it"
[20:53] <nemo> just for the common locations mind you
[20:53] <nemo> of course it'd have to know it was located there :)
[20:53] <nemo> n/m
[20:59] <nemo> svu: WRT glib etc
[20:59] <nemo> if you find a solution, let me know
[21:00] <nemo> perhaps it explains why fingerprint stuff is broken in maverick
[21:00] <nemo> $ su
[21:00] <nemo> Password: **
[21:00] <nemo> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/buildd/glib2.0-2.26.0/gio/gdbusconnection.c:2270:initable_init: assertion failed: (connection->initialization_error == NULL)
[21:00] <nemo> oops
[21:00] <nemo> sorry. that was too many lines even for #ubuntu+1
[21:00] <svu> that is horrible
[21:00] <svu> even gnome-terminal does not start
[21:01] <nemo> ah. your problems are worse than mine then. n/m
[21:01] <svu> :)
[21:01] <svu> ops, somehow apt-get remove the terminal
[21:02] <svu> amazing
[21:02] <svu> anyway, evince does not start, gnome-shell does not start, nautilus dies on right click
[21:02] <svu> prerelease, clearly
[21:02] <glebihan> svu: sorry just coming in, what  error do you get ?
[21:02] <nemo> well. I've done one successful clean install
[21:03] <nemo> and one incredibly painful upgrade. but haven't had your problems
[21:03] <svu> glebihan, GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evince.Default' is not installed
[21:03] <svu> same about many other apps
[21:03] <svu> well, not many - at least some of them
[21:04] <glebihan> svu, nemo: seems like you both have issues with DBus, which explains why it concerns so many apps
[21:04] <adv_> is there a partition reordering tool?
[21:04] <svu> glebihan, possible. Any way to fix?
[21:04] <glebihan> svu, nemo: what mirror are you using for your updates ?
[21:04] <nemchik> question: is the mono-runtime actually useful for anything an average user would be doing?
[21:05] <svu> glebihan, http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[21:05] <svu> (I am using power g5)
[21:05] <glebihan> svu, nemo: try another mirror, no problems here so far with main server
[21:06] <svu> ports.ubuntu.com is supposed to be the primary source for ports, right?
[21:07] <svu> glebihan, what is the version of glib with the fix for that?
[21:08] <billybigrigger> anyone here ever experience really slow network performance with samba shares?
[21:08] <billybigrigger> i'll agree samba is pretty easy to setup, alot easier than NFS, but the performance between the two isn't even close
[21:09] <billybigrigger> i get about 30-40 times faster transfers over NFS, is this always the case? or do i have something setup wrong in samba?
[21:09] <glebihan> svu: here I have libglib2 2.26.0
[21:09] <svu> glebihan, same here
[21:09] <glebihan> svu: and dbus 1.4.0
[21:09] <svu> 2.26.0-0ubuntu1
[21:10] <billybigrigger> i have my home LAN setup all with GigE equipment, but 1.1MB/s transfers via samba is ridiculous
[21:10] <Acidphase> Help please :) /dev/dsp: No such file or directory : Running Unreal Tournament in Ubuntu 10.10 x64
[21:10] <svu> dbus 1.4.0-0ubuntu1
[21:11] <glebihan> svu: that's ord, same versions and no problems...
[21:11] <glebihan> *odd*
[21:11] <svu> I agree
[21:11] <svu> perhaps I have to dpkg-reconfigure something?
[21:12] <glebihan> svu: cannot hurt, try dpkg-reconfigure -a
[21:13] <svu> ghm. I am afraid -a ....
[21:13] <glebihan> svu: can it be worse than it is ?
[21:13] <nemo> where is the appropriate place to add a customer parameter to my kernel?
[21:13] <svu> yes sure it can. unbootable system:)
[21:13] <nemo> grub config has gotten complex
[21:14] <glebihan> nemo: in /etc/default/grub
[21:14] <glebihan> svu: you're right:)
[21:14] <nemo> glebihan: thanks
[21:15] <svu> glebihan, where would I look for those GIO schemas?
[21:15] <glebihan> nemo: put it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX then run update-grub
[21:16] <nemo> yep
[21:16] <Acidphase> Help please :) /dev/dsp: No such file or directory : Running Unreal Tournament in Ubuntu 10.10 x64 no idea's eh ?
[21:16] <svu> actually, in /usr/share/gnome/glib-2.0/schemas/ there are plenty of schemas - but no compiled!
[21:17] <nemo> Acidphase: what soundsystem does unreal tournament use?
[21:17] <Acidphase> openal
[21:17] <glebihan> svu: is libglib2.0-dev installed on your system ?
[21:18] <Acidphase> I tried to use aoss which works for UT2004 btw
[21:18] <svu> glebihan, yes
[21:18] <Acidphase> but not UT99
[21:18] <svu> actually there is gschemas.compiled
[21:18] <svu> but apparently it is missing something
[21:18] <glebihan> svu: try sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/gnome/glib-2.0/schema
[21:18] <nemo> Acidphase: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805708 - just a WAG
[21:19] <nemo> old, but...
[21:19] <nemo> Acidphase: I suspect openal not aware of your sound system, and I'm unfamiliar w/ configuring it
[21:19] <Acidphase> I get this when I use aoss
[21:19] <Acidphase> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored
[21:20] <svu> glebihan, that command worked. no stdout. the gschemas.compiled file updated (same same though)
[21:21] <glebihan> svu: I'd try restarting gnome
[21:21] <svu> glebihan, evince actually tries to open /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled
[21:22] <svu> (I checked with strace)
[21:22] <svu> and it does open it - then fails. perhaps parsing error or smth
[21:22] <glebihan> svu: and you don't have a /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas folder ?
[21:22] <svu> I do have it
[21:23] <svu> and it contains some schemas files and gschemas.compiled
[21:23] <glebihan> svu: then try the previous command again with this path
[21:23] <svu> that is ok
[21:23] <svu> yes, I did that
[21:23] <svu> (I realized you gave me wrong path:)
[21:23] <glebihan> svu: I just copied then path you gave me;)
[21:23] <svu> ok, my fault
[21:23] <svu> anyway
[21:23] <svu> that is my path
[21:23] <svu> and there are files
[21:24] <svu> and evince reads .compiled file
[21:24] <svu> and then fails
[21:24] <svu> end of story:)
[21:25] <glebihan> svu: well apart from restarting gnome, i don't have many more ideas right now...
[21:25]  * svu wonders how restarting gnome could help...
[21:25] <svu> open("/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 14
[21:25] <svu> fstat64(14, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=12972, ...}) = 0
[21:25] <svu> mmap2(NULL, 12972, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 14, 0) = 0xf5fff000
[21:25] <svu> close(14)                               = 0
[21:25] <svu> write(2, "\nGLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings sch"..., 93
[21:25] <svu> GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evince.Default' is not installed
[21:25] <svu> aborting...
[21:25] <svu> ) = 93
[21:26] <svu> oops, perhaps it should have gone to pastebin
[21:29] <adv_> i have one partition /. how can i move home/ to a different partition with all its data?
[21:30] <glebihan> svu: restarting gnome could help, could it could reload dbus
[21:31] <glebihan> *cause it would*
[21:31] <svu> according to the log I posted, there is no IO between opening of the file and error message
[21:31] <svu> I can restart gnome anyway
[21:44] <cwillu_at_work> http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/376617/btrfs-usage
[21:45] <DanaG> I don't use btrfs, because the last time I tried it, it reported "ENOSPC" (disk full) at like 75% usage.
[21:48]  * cwillu_at_work grumbles as people start pm'ing their reasons for not using btrfs instead of filling out the damn survey
[21:51] <pepee> :/
[21:52] <pepee> next time I will NOT touch grub config
[21:53]  * Blues-Man fa reti ninux 
[21:58] <martez89> Hi, my laptop (acer aspire 5542) keeps crashing when the CPU use is heavy. I already updated to the newest BIOS. I'm on 10.10.
[22:00] <nemo> hm. keybased ssh no longer works in gnome (just vt) - some interaction w/ keychain I guess
[22:00] <ikonia> nemo: that's been a bug since 9.04
[22:01] <nemo> ikonia: yeah, I'd just gotten around to looking at it
[22:01] <nemo> I see it has added its own SSH pid
[22:01] <nemo> I assume it is hanging endlessly on that
[22:02] <nemo> hm.
[22:03] <nemo> wiping their auth sock works
[22:03] <nemo> I guess if I put that into my bash profile I can pick up the real one
[22:04] <nemo> yep. all better
[22:04] <pegasusbill> Im running v10.10 beta on a 30GB drive, how can I move everyting including O/S to a larger drive?
[22:07] <pepee> martez89, test the memory modules with memtest86+
[22:09] <martez89> i can choose that in the grub menu right?
[22:09] <pepee> yep
[22:09] <martez89> my ubuntu always starts directly
[22:10] <martez89> its my only OS
[22:10] <martez89> how can i force grub to show
[22:11] <glebihan> martez89: hold shift key
[22:12] <martez89> this is actually the problem i have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/595335
[22:18] <pepee> martez89, is cpufrequtils installed in your machine?
[22:21] <martez89> pepee, i am installing it right now
[22:22] <martez89> what does it do exactly?
[22:23] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: soooo, DNS is all better for me.
[22:23] <nemo> cwillu_at_work: #308 :)
[22:27] <pepee> martez89, tools for cpu frequency scaling and power management
[22:27] <pepee> ahh the bug is in the open source driver...
[22:28] <martez89> i got the same bug in the other driver
[22:28] <martez89> fglrx if im correct
[22:28] <pepee> yeah, if I install that one, my cpu goes to 50C, and with the ATI one, 40C
[22:28] <pepee> well, you can set the clock of the GPU
[22:29] <pepee> and IIRC the driver manages frequency scaling too
[22:30] <pepee> martez89, btw: ubuntu maverick?
[22:30] <martez89> yep
[22:30] <martez89> the new kernel was supposed to fix this
[22:31] <martez89> i tried editing sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_method to dynpm
[22:31] <pepee> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature#KMSPowerManagementOptions
[22:31] <pepee> ahh you already know about that
[22:31] <martez89> yeah but i did not try every option
[22:31] <martez89> only profile - auto
[22:32] <lunks> When I try to update my Ubuntu to Maverick, this error occurs: WARNING: Failed to read mirror file
[22:32] <martez89> but maybe profile and high works better
[22:32] <lunks> Also, 'Error: Marking the upgrade (E:Error,pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.)'
[22:32] <lunks> Any help?
[22:35] <pepee> lunks, sudo --configure -a ?
[22:37] <lunks> pepee, don't get it, sorry
[22:37] <lunks> sudo --configure -a?
[22:38] <lunks> it's not a command :P
[22:38] <pepee> lunks, sorry :P   it's dpkg --configure -a
[22:38] <pepee> ** sudo ...
[22:39] <lunks> pepee, nothing happened
[22:41] <martez89> pepee, how can i change that settings again? i get an error when trying sudo gedit /sys/class/drm/card-0/device/power_profile
[22:42] <pepee> martez89, if i'm reading correctly, you should do something like: echo dynpm > /sys/class/drm/card-0/device/power_method
[22:43] <martez89> pepee, it says no such file or directory
[22:44] <pepee> lunks, martez89 are you using the open source file?
[22:44] <pepee> ***driver?
[22:44] <lunks> pepee, I'm not
[22:44] <martez89> yes
[22:44] <pepee> lunks, sorry...
[22:45] <pepee> martez89, ask in #radeon
[22:46] <pepee> martez89, according to that page, that file should exist
[22:47] <martez89> pepee, i now used sudo bash -c "echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile"
[22:47] <pepee> lunks, sorry, no idea what that error means
[22:47] <martez89> i mean sudo bash -c "echo high > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile"
[22:47] <martez89> and it changed profile to high, i hope it will prevent my laptop from crashing
[22:47] <martez89> thanks for your help
[22:48] <martez89> how can i check the cpu temperature?
[22:48] <jiohdi> is there a way to get a system monitor app on unity?
[22:50] <pepee> martez89, why do you select "high"?
[22:51] <pepee> martez89, "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZS0/temperature"
[22:51] <martez89> hmm 58C
[22:52] <pepee> TZS1 is for the motherboard, I think, but I'm not sure
[22:53] <pepee> install gkrellm
[22:53] <intrader> martez89: what does that do if I may ask?
[22:54] <martez89> intrader, what does what do?
[22:54] <intrader> martez89: sorry, the echo high
[22:55] <martez89> high" forces the gpu to be in the "high" power state all the time. The "low" power state is selected when the monitors are in the dpms off state
[22:55] <pepee> martez89, for me, high = high temps
[22:56] <pepee> s/for me/I think/
[22:56] <martez89> pepee, should I use low?
[22:56] <intrader> martez89: thanks
[22:57] <pepee> martez89, again, ask in #radeon , they are the devs
[22:57] <pepee> I'm just an user, not an expert
[22:58] <martez89> pepee, thanks
[22:58] <pepee> no problem
[23:00] <intrader> Why are nicks bracketed in '<>'?
[23:01] <yofel> depends on the chat client you're using I guess, or there's a convention I don't know about..
[23:02] <intrader> yofel, same xchat that I was using on another computer did not show '<>' brackets; thanks
[23:07] <xyofel> hm, right, xchat doesn't show nicks in <>, guess I'm just too used to quassel
[23:10] <intrader> yofel, for you info, I am installing 10.10 to try to solve the problem described by bug report 631130. Hopefully it will be better.
[23:10] <yofel> bug 631130
[23:10] <yofel> oh, that one..
[23:11] <yofel> well, maverick does have a new xserver, so might be worth a try, the x-updates ppa has the current beta driver too if you want to try it later
[23:11] <intrader> yofel, yeah - since then the updater has updated the driver and the kernel - little improvement
[23:13] <intrader> yofel, I am forced to reinstall anyway because I am getting a 'key logger' message by the system; I wonder who does that?
[23:13] <yofel> no idea
[23:14] <intrader> yofel, in 10.04 how do I change the password without the key logger knowing?
[23:16] <yofel> again, I don't know. I would probably reinstall too
[23:18] <pepee> does someone know how to remove error messages  like "error in Version string `network-manager_0.8.1-eb4': invalid character in version number" ?
[23:18] <pepee> I already removed some of them with "dpkg --clear-avail"
[23:20] <yofel> well, there are many bug reports about that, probably check what's actually wrong in /var/lib/dpkg/status - and make a backup of the file before editing it
[23:20] <pepee> found something: http://forums.auroraos.org/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5972
[23:21] <pepee> The problem is that a package has used invalid characters [...] after the latest upgrades, dpkg now checks for these invalid characters, and bails out if it finds them
[23:22] <yofel> sounds right, a lot of apt / dpkg checks were turned on recently causing warnings where it didn't complain before
[23:23] <Ken8521> i kinda got used to the buttons on the left, then they turned and moved em back to the right.
[23:24] <yofel> huh? they did?
[23:24] <Ken8521> they're on the right on my machine
[23:24] <Ken8521> and i didn't move them
[23:25] <pepee> well, no more messages
[23:25] <pepee> at least for now...
[23:25] <lunks> is gnome-keyring package broken?
[23:26] <Ken8521> lunks, i've not had any probs w/ it...
[23:26] <Ken8521> that i've noticed anyway
[23:26] <lunks> Ken8521, somethings aren't nice here after the upgrade :/
[23:27] <yofel> lunks: you're the first one to say that
[23:27] <Ken8521> lol
[23:27] <lunks> but all problem seems keyring related
[23:27] <lunks> i'm downloading the packages again to be sure it's not something on my setup
[23:27] <Ken8521> i had a minor issue when setting up a machine to auto login, but it was omre a user error than a problem w/ the package.
[23:28] <Ken8521> i wish tightvnc tunneled sound as well.
[23:28] <Ken8521> that would be awesome.
[23:28] <lunks> I have just upgraded to Maverick. Main issues are: Network Manager not running
[23:28] <lunks> Hmm
[23:28] <lunks> Sound not working, but that's about it
[23:29] <Ken8521> lunks, double check you're not muted... that caught me yesterday after i installed.. because it starts up muted
[23:29] <Ken8521> network manager, ry to start it in terminal and see if you get an error.
[23:29] <lunks> Ken8521, Mute all is greyed out
[23:29] <lunks> :P
[23:31] <Ken8521> back in a bit.
[23:34] <lunks> yofel, Ken8521: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: 6: dpkg-maintscript-helper: not found
[23:34] <lunks> Current and older version: Preparing to replace gnome-keyring 2.92.92.is.2.30.3-0ubuntu1.1 (using .../gnome-keyring_2.92.92.is.2.31.91-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[23:38] <intrader> 10.10 on Dell Inspiron 8200 with NVIDEA driver seems peppier compared to 10.04. I wonder why it is not using any special driver for NVIDIA
[23:43] <lunks> Anyone got any tips?
[23:46]  * yofel doesn't have any /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci here and the package upgraded fine here
[23:46] <pepee> lunks, I think youhave some broken packages
[23:47] <lunks> pepee, ok, how can I fix it?
[23:47] <pepee> that, or your package manager is broken, try to fix it
[23:47] <lunks> pepee, I tried apt-get install -f, but I get that error
[23:47] <yofel> lunks: what does ' which dpkg-maintscript-helper' tell you?
[23:47] <pepee> try removing problematic packages
[23:48] <lunks> yofel, not found
[23:49] <yofel> BAD
[23:49] <yofel> reinstall 'dpkg'
[23:49] <pepee> broken dpkg?
[23:49] <pepee> heh
[23:49] <intrader> I am having a problem installing Adobe Flash - It says that it is already installed, yet firefox repeats and them says that "Package 'flashplugin-installed' is already installed. What can I do?
[23:50] <pepee> I thought you can't do anything without it... how do you reinstall it when is broken? :S
[23:50] <yofel> pepee: doesn't seem completely broken, or apt wouldn't do anything
[23:51] <pepee> ahh yeah
[23:51] <yofel> lunks: and you might consider running 'sudo debsums -as' to check if any other package has broken or missing files
[23:51] <pepee> intrader, try purging the package
[23:51] <pepee> and reisntalling
[23:51] <lunks> yofel, it seems dpkg solved :)
[23:51] <lunks> I wouldn't uninstall gnome-keyring
[23:51] <yofel> well, if your dpkg package was broken, chances are it's not the only one..
[23:52] <yofel> intrader: if it told you 'package xy is already installed and configured' retry, should only happen once from what I know
[23:52] <intrader> Ah, I had to restart firefox
[23:53] <pepee> oh, btw, upgrade went smooth here (except for some misunderstanding of the grub config...)
[23:56] <SeraphX> hi, who shall i ask about intel graphics issues?
[23:59] <SeraphX> hi, who shall i ask about intel graphics issues?