[00:00] <RAOF> lifeless: What was the problem you needed me to be a' fixin'?
[00:00] <didrocks>  morning RAOF :)
[00:00] <RAOF> Good evening didrocks :)
[00:01] <RAOF> didrocks: Relaxing in preparation for the RC, I see :)
[00:01] <didrocks> RAOF: exactly, sauna and all this stuff including in work hours as you can see :-)
[00:01] <didrocks> included* even :)
[00:05] <seb128> ok, calling it a day
[00:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, do you have upload rights for glibmm?
[00:13] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - yeah, it looks like it
[00:26] <seb128> ok, excellent
[00:26] <seb128> we need that in, gnome-system-monitor crashes on start on a missing symbol with the new glib
[00:26] <seb128> due to the g_application abi being dropped
[00:26] <seb128> thanks everybody for the work today
[00:26] <seb128> we got most of GNOME updates done in a day, quite a productive day ;-)
[00:26] <didrocks> thanks seb128 for the hard first day after vacation :)
[00:26] <seb128> we will probably need some retries on builds btw
[00:26] <seb128> things will fail on amd64 likely due to the arch any all mismatch
[00:26] <TheMuso> I can take care of those if I know what I need to look out for.
[00:26] <didrocks> yeah, looks like it… but at least, we can retry those tomorrow and have a good CD on Wednesday
[00:26] <TheMuso> ok
[00:26] <seb128> yeah don't bother it will take a while to sort better to ask a buildd admin to just retry everything which failed during the night
[00:26] <TheMuso> Make sense.
[00:26] <seb128> but that will do for tomorrow
[00:26] <TheMuso> makes
[00:26] <lifeless> Sarvatt: ahm, trying that
[00:26] <lifeless> Sarvatt: PPA to be removed: xorg-edgers ppa
[00:26] <lifeless> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: xorg-edgers ppa
[00:26] <lifeless> robertc@lifeless-64:~$
[00:26] <Sarvatt> lifeless: you had it active a really long time ago and it didn't downgrade properly it looks like, xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2+git20100121.e81cd935-0ubuntu0sarvat is from there
[00:26] <Sarvatt> just add it to your sources, apt-get update then ppa-purge again
[00:26] <didrocks> and a new nautilus to finish the day!
[00:26] <chrisccoulson_> ok, that's glibmm done
[00:26] <chrisccoulson_> and enough for me today :)
[00:26] <didrocks> yeah, uploaded \o/
[00:26] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys
[00:26] <didrocks> later RAOF :)
[00:26] <RAOF> Have fun not working! :)
[00:26] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, for few hours (next call in 7h30) :-)
[00:26] <TheMuso> RAOF: I'm around if you need anything uploaded last minute.
[00:26] <TheMuso> But I hope you don't. :p
[00:26] <RAOF> TheMuso: I'll be sure to come screaming to you should panic be required :)
[00:26] <TheMuso> lol
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> did you guys get nautilus?
[00:37] <TheMuso> I believe so.
[00:37] <TheMuso> didrocks took care of it.
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> TheMuso, good, thx
[01:09] <TheMuso> Well thats it now, we're locked down for RC and probably final.
[01:10] <TheMuso> At least for main.
[01:26] <desrt> TheMuso: how long until the builds finish?
[01:28] <TheMuso> desrt: Do you mean disk images?
[01:28] <TheMuso> I'd say we will have our first iamages tomorrow sometime.
[01:28] <desrt> nah.  i mean the archive
[01:29] <desrt> like if i dist-upgrade now, will i have to do it all over again tomorrow? :)
[01:30] <desrt> indeed, i will
[01:33] <ajmitch> http://launchpad.net/builders - queue doesn't look very long to get the builds finished :)
[01:33]  * desrt ponders a new kernel
[01:33] <desrt> i think i'm hitting some sort of strange netfilter bug :/
[01:33] <Amaranth> Time to shove a new compiz in? ;)
[01:34] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I'm sure it won't break much, right?
[01:35] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Actually someone blacklisted the sandy bridge pci ids but now wants the blacklist removed because dri is blocked for the maverick release but he thinks it may be sru-able
[01:36] <Amaranth> So he submitted another debdiff to wipe them from the blacklist
[01:36] <ajmitch> so that *might* get in before release if it's definite that it won't break on that hardware?
[01:38] <Amaranth> Yeah, DRI is disabled entirely on that hardware so the software rendering check blocks access
[01:38] <Amaranth> I assume the person who filed the bug has sandy bridge hardware they are testing this on
[01:39]  * desrt wonders what the right venue is for directing questions about "i think the kernel's netfilter code is behaving strangely for my weird application"
[01:40] <ajmitch> desrt: bug rusty about it? :P
[01:41] <desrt> recvfrom(25, "", 4096, MSG_DONTWAIT, NULL, NULL) = 0
[01:41] <desrt> the problem.
[01:41] <desrt> that should only happen when the remote has hung up the connection, methinks
[01:43] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yeah, Sarvatt has some sandybridge hardware (lucky bugger!)
[01:45] <Sarvatt> it's 100% definite it wont break the hardware
[01:45] <Sarvatt> I've tested *many* machines :)
[01:45] <Sarvatt> DRI is disabled completely on these devices now
[01:47] <Sarvatt> I wouldn't call it lucky outside of being able to build crap fast, talk about the most bug ridden hardware in existence :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> Sarvatt: but it's shiny & new :)
[01:49] <Amaranth> And since the GPU is supposed to be geforce 8000 level it might even run as fast as a geforce fx in linux :)
[02:09] <TheMuso> Yay, seem to have a tooltip stuck on the screen, and is sitting in front of everything else. :)
[04:01] <lifeless> RAOF: Sarvatt: so, purged xorg-edgers,
[04:02] <lifeless> still have a regression from lucid on this machine
[04:02] <RAOF> Ok, shoot.
[04:02] <lifeless> the touchpad edge-scroll stuff doesn't work, its still twitchy when I hold my finger on it (but not as bad as it was before)
[04:03] <RAOF> Could you post your shiny new Xorg.0.log?  It sounds like your touchpad might be being picked up by evdev rather than synaptics.
[04:04] <lifeless> what package is the synaptic driver in ?
[04:04] <Sarvatt> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[04:05] <lifeless> wasn't installed - update-manager probably nuked it with that mess of conflicts.
[04:05] <Sarvatt> might want install xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-input-all if it's gone because of all that mess
[04:05] <Sarvatt> err just x-x-input-all rather
[04:08] <lifeless> thanks
[04:08] <lifeless> thats happier
[04:09] <lifeless> two-finger doesn't do anything, but it never did; edge scroll works \o/
[04:09] <RAOF> evdev is a pretty crappy touchpad driver, yeah.
[04:09] <lifeless> thats generous
[04:11] <RAOF> (It is, incidentally, what we're using to drive Apple Magic Trackpad™s, though)
[04:27] <lifeless> RAOF: I pity the users ? :)
[04:28] <RAOF> Well, they get multitouch instead.
[04:33] <lifeless> is it that jittery?
[04:35] <RAOF> It didn't seem to be too jittery when I watched Chase demo it; it's probably got better hardware filtering than the touchpad in your lappy if your touchpad was seriously jittery.
[04:54] <lifeless> RAOF: I can show you at UDS
[04:54] <lifeless> it looks like a seismograph during a 4
[04:54] <RAOF> Awesome.  Good to know that synaptics has a sufficently good filter to keep that managable :)
[05:11] <Sudopinion> hi people
[05:12] <Sudopinion> anyone in here using a wacom intuos3 or higher?
[05:26] <RAOF> I suspect that there's at least one person, and they're just about to ask me why it doesn't work?
[05:26] <Sudopinion> it works.
[05:27] <Sudopinion> just having problems with an intuos3 and 4
[05:32] <Sudopinion> they pick' up and drops all the time.
[05:34] <RAOF> I'm not sure what you mean there - it sounds like it's mis-detecting drag events?
[07:01] <pitti> Good morning
[07:07] <RAOF> Howdie pitti.
[08:31] <didrocks> good morning
[08:33] <Riddell> didrocks: hi, could you check all the gnome bits from last night built? at last gtk and atk didn't
[08:33] <Riddell> (they should be about done now after a retry)
[08:34] <didrocks> Riddell: on amd64 or i386 as well?
[08:34] <Riddell> only amd64
[08:35] <didrocks> Riddell: you added ttf-ubuntu-font-family to ubuntu-meta and kubuntu-meta, have you done the same for netbook-meta?
[08:36] <pitti> didn't see it
[08:39] <didrocks> ok, will add it to the netbook-meta seed then
[08:41] <Riddell> didrocks: no, go ahead
[08:44] <didrocks> Riddell: done
[08:49] <Riddell> didrocks: please fix version numbers in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement
[08:50] <didrocks> Riddell: will do in a couple of minutes, thanks!
[08:51] <seb128> hey there
[08:57] <pitti> hey seb128, good morning
[08:59] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:59] <seb128> do you feel better today?
[09:00] <pitti> yeah, a lot
[09:00] <seb128> great
[09:29] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: hum, weird choice to not update gnome-keyring and disable gpg by default
[09:29] <seb128> we are on an unstable version with bugs and without a gpg agent
[09:29] <pitti> why didn't we update to the final one?
[09:30] <pitti> or will we in an SRU?
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: I thought g-keyring doesn't support a timeout, which was what kees was complaining about?
[09:30] <seb128> dunno, I'm mid bug reading on "gnome-keyring prompts lack way to set default timeout"
[09:30] <Laney> I noticed that I get a password prompt from the ssh-agent now; it's not unlocked on login any more
[09:30] <pitti> it should be unrelated to ssh, though
[09:31] <seb128> pitti, right and the fix you guys picked seem to turn off the gnome-keyring gpg agent in favor of the seahorse one not installed
[09:31] <seb128> I'm puzzled on how no agent is better than one with no setting
[09:32] <pitti> would installing seahorse-plugins override the g-keyring one?
[09:32] <seb128> no
[09:32] <seb128> well I've not tested but I guess the behaviour change was because it's not the case
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=eec3d69e22dedfcb5e19cdc9ecf377f91279dd22
[09:33] <seb128> could be the fix for your issue
[09:34] <Laney> thanks, will test
[09:35] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: ok, anyway for next cycle now, the new version transition to gsettings
[09:35] <seb128> it's not really rc upload or sru material for this cycle
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: ah, so that was the reason why we stopped upgrading, presumably?
[09:35] <seb128> I don't know
[09:36] <seb128> we were upgrading before I went on holidays
[09:36] <seb128> I'm waiting on didrocks to reply to know why we stayed on .91
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: we stayed on .91 because of issues with gsettings, IIRC
[09:40] <didrocks> 2010-09-13 11:26:40     seb128  didrocks
[09:40] <didrocks> , the gnome-keyring updates are not to do
[09:40] <didrocks> and TBH I was already too busy to have a proper look then
[09:41] <didrocks> so, switching back to lucid behavior seemed to be the safest option
[09:41] <seb128> ok, no blame, I was just trying to understand why we turned off the gpg agent
[09:41] <seb128> since we have none in the default install
[09:41] <seb128> those who use seahorse can turn of gnome-keyring if they need the configuration options
[09:41] <didrocks> like in lucid?
[09:41] <seb128> but anyway it's minor
[09:41] <seb128> no, in lucid we had no gpg agent
[09:41] <seb128> now gnome-keyring has one
[09:42] <seb128> ie we were winning a gpg agent in the default install
[09:42] <didrocks> yeah, but kees had concerned about security
[09:42] <seb128> I will talk to him when he's around
[09:42] <seb128> thanks
[09:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[09:42] <didrocks> yw
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 - how are you?
[09:42] <seb128> I'm fine thank you, how are you?
[09:42] <seb128> thanks for the glibmm update
[09:43] <seb128> didrocks, we got a bit short for some of the things we had to do this cycle
[09:43] <seb128> and we got a bit hit by the glib and gtk schedules
[09:43] <didrocks> seb128: I agree, it was quite short :)
[09:44] <seb128> I think we did a nice job in see of the situation
[09:44]  * seb128 hugs didrocks
[09:44]  * didrocks hugs seb128
[09:44] <didrocks> no more christmas tree there until maverick is out, I hope! :)
[09:45] <seb128> didrocks, I can highlight you on some channels if you want
[09:45] <seb128> so you don't feel like nobody cares about you today ;-)
[09:45] <didrocks> seb128: I can live with that feeling, you know :-)
[09:46] <didrocks> at least for a day!
[09:46] <seb128> ;-)
[09:51]  * pitti hugs didrocks and seb128
[09:51]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:51]  * didrocks hugs pitti too
[09:51] <didrocks> thanks for continuing some work on the platform side
[09:51] <pitti> *beam*
[09:52] <pitti> didrocks: way more than I'm supposed to.. :)
[09:52] <pitti> but I guess I had that coming
[09:52] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I know. But I can't see how we could have done without it :)
[09:52] <seb128> when are you back on platform? at uds?
[09:52] <pitti> I think I ended up at about 60/40 or 50/50
[09:52] <pitti> seb128: yes
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti - are you looking forward to coming back? :)
[09:54] <pitti> yes, I do!
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> excellent!
[09:55] <pitti> it was fun and interesting for a cycle, but my roots are in platform and the free stuff
[10:29] <shuerhaaken> ronoc: ping
[10:30] <ronoc> hi Jorn
[10:30] <shuerhaaken> hello Conor
[11:39] <didrocks> reboot, brb
[11:45] <duanedesign> wb didrocks.
[11:45] <didrocks> hey duanedesign, how are you?
[11:46] <duanedesign> didrocks: i have been good. Hoping couch replication  gets turned back on soon :)
[11:48] <duanedesign> didrocks: been working a lot on another project of mine CLI companion. It turned out to be rather popular so i have been putting a lot of effort into it.
[11:48] <didrocks> duanedesign: yeah, I see that, that's awesome! :)
[11:49] <didrocks> and nice idea on your blog post btw :)
[11:50] <duanedesign> didrocks: i am excited for UDS next month. Going to be the first one that I have been able to participate in person
[11:51] <didrocks> duanedesign: oh, nice to see you there! yeah UDS is really a good time for enjoying the ubuntu community :)
[11:51]  * duanedesign nods
[11:52] <duanedesign> can not wait to meet everyone in person. Talk to all these people on IRC and email over the years
[12:03] <pitti> seb128: please ignore the i386 retracer failure mail, just fixed
[12:03] <pitti> seb128: (I also fixed the chroot script to divert gio-querymodules, for a longer-term workaround)
[12:07] <doko> is this wanted in main for maverick? bug #649581
[12:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649581 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ubuntu-font-family-sources (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649581
[12:13] <cyphermox> howdy
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> hi cyphermox!
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, ok
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, do you understand the issue there?
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, I don't get why it fails to find symbols in the lib which is installed
[12:35] <pitti> I don't understand it, no
[12:36] <seb128> ok
[12:37] <seb128> doko, try asking on #ubuntu-release
[12:37] <seb128> doko, I don't think the upload comes from desktop people, at least neither didrocks or me know about it
[12:37] <seb128> we discussed it early today
[12:38] <didrocks> yeah, was quite surprized to see it this morning. I just refresh the netbook-meta seeing others being refreshed
[13:00] <seb128> hey mterry
[13:00] <seb128> hey pedro_
[13:00] <didrocks> good morning mterry :)
[13:00] <didrocks> hi pedro_!
[13:00] <mterry> seb128, didrocks: hi all.  GNOME went mostly OK it seems?
[13:00] <seb128> mterry, it seems yes
[13:01] <didrocks> thanks a lot for yesterday's update :)
[13:01] <pedro_> hello seb128 didrocks :-)
[13:01] <seb128> the archive is really frozen today
[13:01] <seb128> so no update to do
[13:01] <seb128> mterry, thanks for the help on updates
[13:01]  * mterry relaxes  :)
[13:01] <seb128> yesterday was pretty busy but we manages to get most of the updates in
[13:01] <seb128> we managed
[13:02] <seb128> today should be quiet ;-)
[13:02] <seb128> mterry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-09-28
[13:02] <seb128> btw
[13:02] <Riddell> quiet except for all the ISO testing you're about to do...
[13:02] <seb128> Riddell, right, I consider that relaxing compared to the upgrades sprint we had yesterday
[13:02] <seb128> ;-)
[13:03] <Riddell> good, ISOs are up, get testing!
[13:03] <seb128> mterry, you might want to add yourself on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingTemplate as well
[13:03] <seb128> Riddell, ok ;-)
[13:03] <mterry> seb128, I fill out my activities ahead of time?  Does that cover just the previous week (Monday->Friday) or Tuesday->Monday?
[13:03] <seb128> mterry, tuesday->monday
[13:04] <mterry> seb128, k
[13:04] <seb128> mterry, there is no hard line for the filling the wiki, try to do it before the meeting if you can
[13:05] <seb128> mterry, there meeting is at 16:30 utc
[13:05] <seb128> on this channel
[13:06] <mterry> seb128, yup
[13:06] <seb128> mterry, there is nothing specific to prepare, just be around and write your activity report
[13:06] <seb128> not sure if you watched some of the previous meeting or not
[13:19] <asac> didrocks: hey ;) ... what was this game called again (remember?)
[13:19] <didrocks> asac: oh, this 3D game? :)
[13:19] <didrocks> yo frankie!
[13:19] <didrocks> www.yofrankie.org
[13:20] <didrocks> it's in the archives now IIRC
[13:20] <didrocks> yes it is :)
[13:20] <seb128> didrocks, the name doesn't make me want to play it
[13:21] <didrocks> seb128: hehe, it's a game from the blender fundation, using the same character than in big buck bunny www.bigbuckbunny.or
[13:21] <didrocks> g*
[13:21] <asac> hah
[13:21] <didrocks> it's more a tech demo to show what you can do with blender (as the movie was and to enhance blender as well)
[13:29] <mterry> seb128, heh.  I broke MeetingTemplate.  Tried to add myself, got an internal server error, and now the page can't be edited
[13:30] <seb128> mterry, wfm
[13:30] <seb128> mterry, can you try again?
[13:31] <seb128> well I can enter the edit mode
[13:31] <seb128> hum
[13:31] <seb128> mterry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingTemplate
[13:31] <seb128> seems your edit worked
[13:31] <mterry> seb128, yup, fixed itself
[13:31] <seb128> ok great
[13:42] <slomo> jcastro: hey, any news on the git submodule support in launchpad? it affects banshee too :P   and are you going to support PPAs for non-ubuntu distributions too at some point? like debian?
[14:02] <geser> anyone familiar with the compiz project and knows about the status of emerald?
[14:03] <mvo> geser: my knowledge is a bit dated (haven't much looked at the changes in the last 6 month), but it was stale for a long time
[14:03] <seb128> geser, you might want to ask on the compiz channel
[14:04] <mvo> the #compiz-dev is a good channel usually
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> i thought emerald was dead long ago
[14:05] <SmSpillaz> ohai
[14:05] <SmSpillaz> yeah, emerald is long gone
[14:05] <SmSpillaz> although a new one is being written
[14:05] <mvo> kiwinote: hello! cold you please have a quick look at my patch in bug #646584 - if it makes sense or breaks something else?
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646584 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Can't get freepats when search "freepats" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646584
[14:05] <mvo> kiwinote: when you have time, no rush
[14:06] <SmSpillaz> well, I was writing it, although libdecoration has very little documentation, so it's been ... a learning experience
[14:07] <geser> SmSpillaz: do you have any suggestions what we should do with the emerald (0.7.2) we have in the archive? keep it? drop it? something else?
[14:08] <SmSpillaz> *shrug*
[14:08] <SmSpillaz> keep it if there is demand
[14:08] <SmSpillaz> there isn't anything wrong with it
[14:08] <SmSpillaz> just there is no development on it
[14:08] <SmSpillaz> since the code is a mess
[14:09] <SmSpillaz> it crashes randomly apparantly too
[14:09] <SmSpillaz> I don't think my replacement will be ready for a while
[14:09] <jcastro> slomo: the submodule bug is a bzr bug, it's high priority but I am being told there's still work to do there. I am aware it affects most GNOME things.
[14:09] <mvo> kiwinote: and thanks btw for the excellent fixes branch
[14:09] <jcastro> slomo: the debian PPA support is already an open bug somewhere
[14:10] <geser> SmSpillaz: thanks
[14:10] <slomo> jcastro: ok, thanks :) i didn't know that submodules are used by that many projects ;)
[14:11] <jcastro> slomo: yeah, it appears to be popular
[14:13] <doko> seb128: please could the desktop team have a look at the desktop related build failures in main?
[14:13] <doko> http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi
[14:14] <seb128> doko, ok
[14:15] <seb128> pitti, apport is on this ftbfs list
[14:15] <seb128> do you know about it?
[14:15] <seb128> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/apport_1.14.1-0ubuntu7_lubuntu32.buildlog
[14:15] <pitti> I don't, no
[14:15] <seb128> pitti, could you check if it builds for you?
[14:16] <pitti> someone pinged me about this some weeks ago, but I never could reproduce it
[14:16] <pitti> it builds fine locally and in the buildds
[14:16] <kiwinote> mvo: hi! yes, I think your patch makes sense, and I can't think of anything that the change may break
[14:17] <seb128> pitti, ok, let's say it's a false error then
[14:17] <pitti> seb128: just retried, still building fine
[14:18] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks
[14:19] <kiwinote> mvo: I assume that that line originated from when we counted the apps/pkgs in a slightly different way, but now we don't need it anymore
[14:19] <seb128> mterry, do you have some time to help investigating some build issues on http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi?
[14:20] <seb128> jcastro, hey
[14:20] <mterry> seb128, sure
[14:20] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[14:20] <seb128> mterry, can you pick the ones that seem desktopish in main to start?
[14:20] <seb128> ie gnome-applets
[14:20] <mterry> seb128, ok
[14:21] <seb128> thanks
[14:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you still plan to work on telepathy-glib?
[14:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you probably can ask for help on #telepathy if you have issues
[14:21] <seb128> we should probably aim to get .16 than debian has
[14:21] <doko> pitti: I did, and I think it was a problem with the rebuild
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i can look at it in a bit, i'm just doing my status report
[14:22] <seb128> #telepathy has responsive upstream and debian maintainers
[14:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[14:22] <Laney> Is anyone maintaining compiz? We just noticed that emerald is a bit out of shape in Universe and nobody seems to be taking care of it — maybe the same person would like to poke it
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the issue is that vapigen fails to create the bindings, even with the current telepathy-glib version (0.11.15) in the archive :(
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, geser just asked about it like 15 minutes before you
[14:22] <Laney> seb128: ah
[14:22] <Laney> ty
[14:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, #telepathy has vala and introspection guys as well
[14:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just ask there if they have an idea on the issue
[14:23] <seb128> they might have pointers to workaround it
[14:25] <mvo> kiwinote: thanks, its in the 3.0 branch now and I will upload it later
[14:26] <kiwinote> mvo: great! thanks for making the connection between that bug report and that line of code
[14:26] <jcastro> seb128, hey, what can I do for you?
[14:28] <seb128> jcastro, I'm trying to remember what I wanted to ask early ;-)
[14:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, pitti: I just uploaded a u1-client package, but then found out a fix needed, so should you reject my first upload so that I release a new one, or is it ok to have both 1.4.4 and 1.4.4.1 in the queue?
[14:28] <jcastro> seb128, it's not about featured apps is it?
[14:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, you can have both, the old one will probably be rejected
[14:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[14:29] <seb128> jcastro, no, but thanks for pushing for those
[14:29] <seb128> jcastro, oh, I wanted to ask if you replied to karl's email about planet and uds
[14:29] <seb128> jcastro, is he coming to uds?
[14:30] <jcastro> I don't know
[14:30] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:33] <seb128> kenvandine, do you work today or are just on IRC by error?
[14:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, I've rejected the u1-client upload to avoid confusion
[14:35] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, better
[14:35] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:35] <kenvandine> working today :)
[14:35] <seb128> kenvandine, oh ok, welcome back
[14:35] <kenvandine> thx :)
[14:35] <seb128> kenvandine, sorry I put you in the excused category on the meeting wikipage
[14:35] <seb128> I though you were coming back tomorrow
[14:35] <kenvandine> no worries
[14:36]  * kenvandine needs to try to remember what he did last week :)
[14:37] <seb128> kenvandine, I see, I'm not around and you guys just slack
[14:37] <seb128> now that I'm back you have to figure something to write :p
[14:37] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:37] <mvo> what I did last week: I missed seb
[14:37] <kenvandine> did you have  a good vacation?
[14:38] <seb128> excellent thanks
[14:38] <seb128> was great to have some time away from any keyboard
[14:38] <kenvandine> good... hopefully you forgot about us for a bit :)
[14:38] <seb128> I don't say screen because I watched some tv :p
[14:38] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:38] <seb128> mvo, ;-)
[14:38] <mvo> :p
[14:38]  * mvo hugs seb128
[14:38]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[14:41] <kenvandine> brb... gotta test my static dhcp setup so i don't have to hunt and peck for my home server next time it renews it's dhcp address :)
[14:44] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, 1.4.4.1 uploaded
[14:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, that one is not up to me and will probably not be reviewed before the RC anyway
[14:45] <rodrigo_> oh, ok
[14:45] <seb128> rodrigo_, if you really need it in you can try to argue on #ubuntu-release
[14:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'll let joshuahoover do it :)
[14:45] <seb128> but the freeze was at the start of the day
[14:45] <seb128> you are half a day late
[14:45] <rodrigo_> I think he already asked the release team for a u1-client upload today
[14:45] <rodrigo_> ah, I thought it was morning in US
[14:46] <seb128> no, it's 0:00 utc
[14:46] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:10] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gnome-applets/dbus-glib-ftbfs/+merge/36869  (am filing upstream bug too)
[15:10] <seb128> mterry: thanks, maybe check upstream 2.32 before
[15:11] <seb128> mterry: it might be deprecated there but we didn't track gnome-panel and gnome-applets 2.32
[15:11] <mterry> seb128, k
[15:11] <seb128> they switch to use dbus instead of bonobo and it was unclear it would bring anything this cycle out of extra work
[15:12] <seb128> mterry: because the rules is running autoreconf so you don't need to bother patching the makefile.in as well
[15:13] <mterry> seb128, oh, didn't notice the autoreconf line.  I'm not used to that being there
[15:13] <seb128> we started doing that this cycle
[15:13] <seb128> it's quite handy
[15:13] <mterry> I like it.  :)
[15:26] <dobey> anyone else been noticing that compiz likes to crash at some rather arbitrary time, in maverick?
[15:26] <seb128> no
[15:26] <seb128> did that start recently for you?
[15:26] <dobey> it happened once before, and it just happened like 30 seconds ago
[15:26]  * bcurtiswx_ doesn't notice any crashes
[15:27] <bcurtiswx_> ATI Radeon card here
[15:27] <dobey> compiz went away, and i was suddenly in metacity, and all my windows got moved to first workspace, and all my terminals resized to 80x24
[15:27] <dobey> i'm on nvidia
[15:27] <mvo> did you got a crash file in /var/crash ?
[15:29] <dobey> mvo: no, i don't see one
[15:29] <pitti> rickspencer3, mvo: silly question, but where would I actually see the "buy something" example background in s-c?
[15:29]  * mvo celebrates rev 1100 in softare-center
[15:29] <pitti> I naively searched for "background", but .. "this is not the search term you are looking for"
[15:29] <dobey> guess i'll update and reboot, since there seems to be ~200 updates waiting this morning :-/
[15:29] <mvo> pitti: search for "rick" ;)
[15:30] <pitti> aah
[15:30] <pitti> thanks mvo
[15:30] <mvo> pitti: or expand the left hand "get software" node and you should see a "for purchase" sub-element
[15:30] <pitti> mvo: ah, I missed the little triangle
[15:30] <pitti>  /me wonders what "Val & Rick" is :)
[15:31] <mvo> pitti: one of the 18+ for sale items ;) ?
[15:31] <mvo> looks like a game
[15:32] <pitti> mvo: 18+, is that an age or a number?
[15:32] <pitti> mvo: I just see one item in "to buy"
[15:33] <mvo> pitti: yeah, we currently only have one item
[15:33] <mvo> pitti: I was trying to make a (lame) joke about "val+rick"
[15:33] <mvo> valerie+rick
[15:33] <pitti> it's stitting there for ages installing it, but until here everything was fine
[15:35] <pitti> mvo: hm, I think it's got locked up; no dpkg process, but it still has a bouncing progress bar for "installing"
[15:35] <mvo> pitti: it takes a good while
[15:35] <mvo> pitti: up to some minutes
[15:35] <pitti> and I don't have any new *wallpaper* package
[15:36] <mvo> pitti: hm, what does it print on "~/.xsession-errors" ?
[15:36] <pitti> mvo: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/xsession-errors
[15:37] <pitti> ooh, it's done now
[15:37] <pitti> ii  ricks-wallpapers      0.3.1                 Rick's Wallpapers
[15:37] <pitti> \o/
[15:37] <mvo> pitti: it takes a bit until the server part gets enabled
[15:38] <mvo> pitti: nice, nice, nice :)
[15:38] <pitti> some weird exceptions in the log, though
[15:44] <mvo> yeah, that is aptdaemon odness
[15:51] <ari-tczew> pedro_: ping
[15:51] <pedro_> hello ari-tczew
[15:51] <ari-tczew> hi pedro_, why did you remove [natty] from bug 339169 ?
[15:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 339169 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in strtoul() due to NULL flags column in folders.db (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 30)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339169
[15:52] <pedro_> ari-tczew, why did you add it ? :-)
[15:52] <pedro_> ari-tczew, that only creates confusion, if you want to add a release name to a bug, please use the tags
[15:52] <seb128> how can a but affect something which is not available there?
[15:53] <pedro_> that as well
[15:57] <ari-tczew> pedro_: ubuntu developers are get to used targeting fix in next release by adding [codename] to bug title
[15:58] <pedro_> is there any documentation with that workflow?
[15:58] <pedro_> because we are not used to that
[15:59] <Laney> It's for sponsoring, when a patch doesn't need to be uploaded this cycle
[15:59] <Laney> maybe a tag would work, if the sponsoring page learns about it
[16:00] <pedro_> for that bug in particular the patch is not accepted upstream yet, that needs to be reviewed there first
[16:02] <Laney> yeah I didn't even look at that, talking about the general case
[16:02] <Laney> some way of sorting the sponsor queue
[16:14] <ara> lovely desktop people
[16:14] <ara> what should we doing about quadrapassel?
[16:14] <ara> bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/638656
[16:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638656 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "quadrapassel dies silently (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:14] <ara> should it be banned from the list of default games
[16:14] <ara> ?
[16:15] <ara> or bug 561734, for that matter
[16:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 561734 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 19) (dups: 4) (heat: 111)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561734
[16:16] <kenvandine> ara, doing the mesa/unity mess, someone mentioned that a good way to reproduce the crash was with quadrapassel
[16:17] <kenvandine> so i guess the fix in clutter for unity didn't help quadrapassel
[16:17] <ara> kenvandine, no, it didn't
[16:17] <kenvandine> bug 561734 is probably most accurate
[16:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 561734 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 22) (dups: 6) (heat: 143)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561734
[16:17] <ara> yes, I put that before :)
[16:18] <ara> kenvandine, so, I guess, if it is not going to be fixed, it shouldn't be installed by default, don't you think?
[16:19] <kenvandine> humm... ideally it should be fixed... we should talk to RAOF about it
[16:20] <kenvandine> or Sarvatt
[16:20] <kenvandine> Sarvatt, do you think there is any chance of getting bug 561734 fixed for maverick?
[16:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 561734 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 25) (dups: 7) (heat: 155)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561734
[16:30] <seb128> ara, is that an issue on any video card and driver?
[16:31] <ara> seb128, intel seems to fail, but nvidia with proprietary drivers works fine
[16:32] <seb128> ok, so rather an xorg or driver issue than one in the games
[16:34] <charlie-tca> ara: doesn't work at all for me
[16:34] <charlie-tca> and I have three nvidia cards in three systems
[16:35] <ara> charlie-tca, with the proprietary drivers?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Doesn't matter which driver I use
[16:35] <seb128> did that start recently?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> no
[16:35] <seb128> it works fine there
[16:36] <seb128> on an intel box not upgraded for 2 weeks
[16:36] <charlie-tca> started about aug 31
[16:36] <seb128> ok, so it's not everybody having the issue
[16:36] <seb128> works on intel for me
[16:37] <ara> seb128, on intel it failed for me with the latest upgrades
[16:37] <seb128> seems we have different issues there then
[16:52] <seb128> ara, do you think we should not install quadrapassel by default?
[16:52] <seb128> is the issue limited to that game?
[16:53] <seb128> ie does unity -p works for you?
[16:53] <ara> seb128, unity works, unity -p?
[16:54] <seb128> it's unity in a window, you can run it under GNOME
[16:54] <seb128> it's useful for testing
[16:54] <seb128> just to know if other clutter users have the issues when ran this way
[16:55] <ara> seb128, I will try that. Right now I am using that machine for ISO testing, as soon as I finish the test, will try that
[16:55] <seb128> ok thanks
[16:55] <asac> moin moin ... i assume our image build failures on arm is because of new gnome tarballs rolling yesterday or something?
[16:56] <seb128> asac, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html
[16:56] <seb128> asac, not sure what broke it earlier but GNOME is not the issue now it seems
[16:57] <seb128> asac, hey btw ;-)
[16:57] <asac> hi!
[16:57] <asac> thanks
[16:57] <asac> thats strange. guess it was just general out of sync yesterday
[16:57] <asac> due to pre-freeze uploads
[16:58] <seb128> until some hours ago your issues were due to the gtk upload yesterday
[16:58] <seb128> it leaded to a out of sync between arch any and all binaries
[16:58] <asac> ah ok
[16:58] <asac> yeah
[16:58] <seb128> that has been sorted now though
[16:58] <asac> cant we just stop doing all binaries ;)
[16:58] <seb128> ;-)
[16:58] <asac> at least for packages that are not all all
[16:59] <seb128> we should fix the archive to keep the arch all binaries for all versions
[16:59] <seb128> so you would still have the old gtk installable on armel until the new one is built
[17:00] <asac> isnt that the case already? i thought that it just doesnt pick an older version if the newest version cannot be fulfilled.
[17:00] <asac> anyway ... not this cycle :-P
[17:00] <seb128> well we should index the binaries corresponding to the current build
[17:00] <seb128> but right
[17:05] <glatzor> hello mvo, thanks for the aptdaemon changes! I merged them with a minor fix
[17:05] <mvo> glatzor: thanks
[17:06] <mvo> glatzor: perfect timming :) jibel just reported that the authentication timming problem came back on ubuntu :/ bug #649939
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649939 in software-center (Ubuntu) "authentication popup does nothing when installating new software (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649939
[17:06] <mvo> glatzor: is it a fix for some bad problem?
[17:07] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, cyphermox, mterry: there will be a slot to have GNOME updates accepted after RC if those are trivial updates, ie bump to a stable version and translations
[17:07] <seb128> so if you guys want to pick the remaining updates and work on those during the next days feel free
[17:07] <glatzor> mvo, i have also seen this problem on debian sid recentely
[17:08] <mvo> glatzor: I can have a look after dinner
[17:08] <cyphermox> seb128, roger
[17:09] <seb128> didrocks, chrisccoulson: ^ just for info but we probably don't need lot of people on that, just maybe keep an eye open for sponsoring requests
[17:09] <didrocks> seb128: sure
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - ok, no problem
[17:17] <glatzor> mvo, I also added a "workaround" for the lists lock
[17:18] <glatzor> mvo, it now raises the error-no-lock exception instead of error-unknown
[17:18] <glatzor> mvo, the locking improvements of trunk are too invasive for the 0.3 branch
[17:21] <mvo> glatzor: thanks, I check it out
[17:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, pitti, cyphermox, mterry: hi
[17:29] <seb128> pedro_, hello
[17:29] <didrocks> hey
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> hi
[17:29] <mterry> yo
[17:29] <seb128> it's meeting time ;-)
[17:29] <pedro_> hello!
[17:29] <seb128> did I forget anybody?
[17:29] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-09-28
[17:30] <cyphermox> hello :)
[17:30] <tremolux> hiya!
[17:30]  * kenvandine waves
[17:30] <Riddell> hi
[17:30] <seb128> so I'm back
[17:31] <seb128> thanks for didrocks to handling the meeting and other things last week
[17:31] <didrocks> wb seb128!
[17:31] <seb128> thanks kenvandine as well for the week before ;-)
[17:31] <kenvandine> np
[17:31] <seb128> let's get started
[17:31] <kenvandine> glad to have seb128 back :)
[17:31] <seb128> everybody welcome mterry in the team
[17:31] <mterry> w00t
[17:31] <kenvandine> welcome mterry!
[17:31] <didrocks> welcome (take 2) mterry! ;)
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> welcome mterry!
[17:31] <cyphermox> welcome mterry!!
[17:32] <tremolux> yay mterry!
[17:32] <seb128> mterry, great to have you there ;-)
[17:32] <seb128> thanks for the help on the GNOME updates yesterday
[17:32] <mterry> Hopefully eventually i can do that without clogging the sponsorship queue
[17:33] <seb128> yeah
[17:33] <seb128> are you a MOTU yet?
[17:33] <mterry> yeah
[17:33] <seb128> ok, so you should apply for package set updates next
[17:34] <mterry> ACK
[17:34] <seb128> or maybe just for normal upload rights
[17:34] <seb128> you are probably ready to apply for that
[17:34] <seb128> but let's talk about that out of the meeting
[17:34] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[17:34] <seb128> there was no outstanding action from last meeting it seems?
[17:34] <seb128> didrocks, ^confirming?
[17:35] <didrocks> no outstanding action :)
[17:35] <seb128> ok, great
[17:35] <seb128> kenvandine, hello
[17:35] <seb128> kenvandine, partners update?
[17:35] <kenvandine> sure
[17:35] <kenvandine> DX
[17:36] <kenvandine>     * Another round of bug fix releases last week, I think they are in good shape for RC
[17:36] <kenvandine> nothing really to note here, been a great cycle from DX
[17:36] <kenvandine> delivered a lot!
[17:36] <kenvandine> UbuntuOne
[17:36] <kenvandine>     * desktopcouch 0.6.9 was released today (in unapproved queue), should fix replication
[17:37] <kenvandine> we'll see if they can get that through, it is very late
[17:37] <seb128> better late than not
[17:37] <seb128> ;-)
[17:37] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[17:37] <seb128> worth case we will sru it
[17:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:37] <kenvandine> i think U1 is in good shape for RC as well
[17:37] <seb128> ok
[17:37] <kenvandine> so not much to report :)
[17:37] <kenvandine> planning time!
[17:38] <kenvandine> any questions?
[17:38] <seb128> do we expect any change out of the desktopcouch one after rc?
[17:38] <kenvandine> not sure, probably if there are new bugs in this release
[17:38] <kenvandine> that is a problem actually
[17:38] <kenvandine> replication has been pretty much broken the whole cycle
[17:38] <kenvandine> so getting it fixed could uncover other stuff
[17:39] <seb128> ok, I guess we will deal with the aftermatch in sru updates
[17:39] <kenvandine> yeah...
[17:39] <seb128> out of desktopcouch anything known to be broken from dx or u1?
[17:39] <seb128> rodrigo_ did an ubuntuone-client update earlier I saw
[17:39] <kenvandine> nothing critical that i am aware of, but i didn't do a meeting yesterday since i was out
[17:39] <seb128> is there anything we need to focus on testing or do they need any help?
[17:39] <seb128> ok, right
[17:39] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, are you working on getting that approved?
[17:40] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, that's it from me
[17:40] <kenvandine> thx :)
[17:40] <seb128> seems nobody else had questions so let's move on
[17:40] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[17:40] <kenvandine> didrocks,  might be good if you can try out desktopcouch with oneconf if you have a chance
[17:41] <seb128> Riddell, hey, having time for the kubuntu status update or are you busy driving the RC?
[17:41] <Riddell> yes, quickly
[17:41]  * didrocks crosses fingers
[17:41] <Riddell>  * RC candidates built, testing going on now, looking good to me
[17:41] <Riddell>  * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 11 tagged bugs, none terribly worrying
[17:41] <Riddell>  * update to liblastfm expected after RC
[17:41] <Riddell>  * updates to translations due today
[17:41] <Riddell>  * 4.5.2 tagging on Thursday, not expecting it to go in the main archive
[17:41] <seb128> "updates to translations", you mean?
[17:41] <Riddell> grabbing translations from upstream for a few packages
[17:42] <seb128> you will upload new sources or just langpacks updates?
[17:42] <Riddell> not decided on that yet, I want to talk to dpm if it's easy for him to just import them
[17:42] <seb128> ok
[17:43] <seb128> let me know if that's easy because we have some GNOME updates which have only translations updates ;-)
[17:43] <seb128> anybody else have questions for Riddell?
[17:43] <seb128> seems not
[17:44] <seb128> Riddell, thanks for the summary and for driving the RC
[17:44] <dpm> seb128, Riddell, that's not that easy. I can do it for a couple of packages, but it's all manual work and a bit of a pain, unless there is a translations tarball nicely packed containing only translations
[17:44] <seb128> speaking of which, everybody please help testing isos
[17:44] <seb128> dpm, ok, what I though from our last discussion on the topic
[17:44] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[17:44]  * cyphermox is syncing everything now
[17:44] <dpm> also, the deadline for translations being so soon, they might not be imported if the imporst queue is full
[17:44] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[17:44] <didrocks> hey
[17:44] <seb128> didrocks, UNE update?
[17:44] <dpm> it's looking good now, pretty empty
[17:45] <didrocks> sure
[17:45] <seb128> dpm, ok thanks
[17:45] <didrocks> Double dose of sweetness with 2 unity releases! and multiple uploads for some components :)
[17:45] <didrocks> More than 40 bugs were fixed last week, we gain support for a lot of things and no known crashers as of today!
[17:45] <didrocks> wait!
[17:45]  * didrocks checks emails
[17:45] <didrocks> no, not known :)
[17:45] <seb128> ;-)
[17:45] <didrocks> Of course, for a crasher we needed to transition from libindicate0 to libindicate1 which we enjoyed a lot, but all went well after all. :-)
[17:45]  * seb128 press the submit button
[17:46] <seb128> didrocks, one known now :p (joking)
[17:46] <didrocks> seb128: you don't want to do that :p
[17:46] <didrocks> RC is coming, iso testing is needed for UNE too! thanks to everyone who wants to help there.
[17:46] <didrocks> I'm particularly interested from people who don't have graphical acceleration as the UNE session should not warn you about it, and once you validate, you should be logged out of the session and the desktop session should be set as a default.
[17:46] <didrocks> (just tested under virtualbox and nvidia there)
[17:47] <didrocks> that's it!
[17:47] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[17:47] <seb128> questions for didrocks?
[17:47] <didrocks> (still some issues known with shotwell, should be fixed by eow)
[17:47] <kenvandine> didrocks, so no real fallout from the libindicator1 change?
[17:47] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, just 2 bugs report of people having their indicator partially disappearing
[17:47] <didrocks> as expected :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> not bad :)
[17:48] <didrocks> so, 2 on the bunch of update, it's good even! :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> i was worried...
[17:48] <seb128> that was late for a such transition
[17:48] <didrocks> right
[17:48] <kenvandine> yes... stressful :)
[17:48] <seb128> great work to everybody to get it done without issue
[17:48] <didrocks> and 15 rdepends IIRC
[17:49] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[17:49] <didrocks> yw :)
[17:49] <seb128> let's move on
[17:49] <seb128> tremolux, hey
[17:49] <seb128> software center update?
[17:49] <tremolux> hey seb128, yep
[17:49] <tremolux> * Buy Something: $1 test package now available to all, getting lots of great feedback and some bug reports
[17:49] <tremolux> * New Apps: we currently have three Application Review Requests in the queue
[17:49] <tremolux> * Misc:  testing continues, keeping a close watch on incoming bug reports, targeted bugfixing
[17:49] <tremolux> * 4 tagged bugs currently: http://tinyurl.com/29drbv4
[17:50] <tremolux> lots of nice feedback from people spending their $$ for the cause  :)
[17:50] <seb128> ;-)
[17:50] <seb128> did they all manage to get something for their money? ;-)
[17:50] <tremolux> all except 2  :-/
[17:50] <tremolux> we have a bug for it
[17:50] <seb128> the "purchased software download fails with and breaks apt proxy " one?
[17:50] <tremolux> yes
[17:51] <seb128> ok
[17:51] <seb128> do you aim at fixing those 4 bugs between rc and release?
[17:51] <tremolux> 2 is still too many, obviously
[17:51] <seb128> right
[17:51] <seb128> or will we need an sru for those?
[17:52] <tremolux> I have to check with mvo for his plan for these, but I believe the plan is to get them all fixed
[17:52] <tremolux> one is pretty much ready, two in progress and one is new
[17:52] <seb128> ok, let's see how it goes
[17:52] <tremolux> yes
[17:52] <seb128> just make sure to mention your uploads on #ubuntu-release to get them reviewed after rc
[17:52] <seb128> questions for tremolux?
[17:52] <tremolux> yep, thx
[17:53] <seb128> software-center works great there, amazing work done this cycle to the usc team
[17:53] <seb128> thanks tremolux
[17:53] <tremolux> thx a lot seb128  :)
[17:53] <seb128> pedro_, hello
[17:53] <pedro_> Hello!
[17:53] <seb128> did we run out of bugs yet? ;-)
[17:54] <pedro_> ok not much to share this week since i was on holidays the previous one, still catching up with bug mail ;-)
[17:54] <seb128> just refreshing the wiki and I see none listed
[17:54] <pedro_> but i have a couple of bugs to look at
[17:54] <seb128> oh ok
[17:54] <pedro_> bug 551809 is the worst one we have right now
[17:54] <seb128> I was on holidays as well so I didn't notice you were not there ;-)
[17:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 427) (dups: 128) (heat: 1904)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551809
[17:54] <pedro_> causing a lot of dups and lot of affected people
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> i've spent some time trying to figure that out, but no luck yet
[17:54] <pedro_> i saw that was milestone already though, could we have someone assigned to it? ;-)
[17:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you find anything wrong?
[17:55] <seb128> is that a indicator issue?
[17:55] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson and milanbv have both spent quite a bit of time on that
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - not yet. the only time it crashed for me was without gdb attached ;)
[17:56] <pedro_> on the upstream report Milan said something about that : "it's definitely linked
[17:56] <pedro_> with the libappindicator use of GtkStatusIcon, and not to
[17:56] <pedro_> gnome-settings-daemon."
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i agree
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> it basically affects everything using libappindicator
[17:56] <seb128> does it only happen when using fallback?
[17:56] <seb128> ie for users not having the indicator applet?
[17:57] <kenvandine> tedg, did you look at it?
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i think so, but i'm not entirely sure
[17:57] <seb128> tedg, ^ would be nice if you could try to read through this bug report and see if you have any clue
[17:57] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, was it you that asked tedg to take a look?
[17:57] <pedro_> not sure either, there's no clear instructions on how to reproduce it though
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i don't think so
[17:57] <seb128> well if that's only in the fallback case I would not be so concerned
[17:57] <kenvandine> ok, must have been milanbv
[17:58] <kenvandine> seb128, with so many dupes... i would think it is worse than that
[17:58] <seb128> or lot of users remove the applet
[17:58] <kenvandine> seb128, but i haven't been able to reproduce it
[17:58] <kenvandine> even without the applet
[17:58] <tedg> Okay, I'll look at it.  I need to run now, after lunch though.
[17:58] <milanbv> it's very hard to reproduce :-)
[17:58] <seb128> ok, not something we will sort now
[17:58] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[17:58] <seb128> pedro_, let's move on
[17:58] <pedro_> sure
[17:58] <milanbv> but I confirm it happens only with fallback GtkStatusIcon
[17:58] <seb128> tedg, ^
[17:59] <seb128> useful information
[17:59] <pedro_> bug 648068, the reporter there is asking for a dependency on python-desktopcouch
[17:59] <kenvandine> seb128, i assigned it to tedg just now at least until after he takes a look at it
[17:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648068 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "desktopcouch-service crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648068
[17:59] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[17:59] <pedro_> probably kenvandine might have a look to it?
[17:59] <kenvandine> pedro_, humm... that is a weird one
[17:59] <seb128> pedro_, no duplicate, no other user affected
[17:59] <seb128> could be a local issue?
[18:00] <seb128> let's keep an eye on it
[18:00] <pedro_> seb128, no idea, i'd prefer a dev to look
[18:00] <kenvandine> well, it is probably just an unlikely case
[18:00] <seb128> but doesn't seem really concerning
[18:00] <kenvandine> that dep was dropped because it created a circular dep
[18:00] <kenvandine> not specifically evolution
[18:00] <pedro_> ok could you please comment on it ?
[18:00] <kenvandine> i will
[18:00] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[18:00] <pedro_> thank you kenvandine
[18:01] <pedro_> ok and one minor update the youtube issue on totem looks like to be caused by the fluendo plugin
[18:01] <seb128> which one?
[18:01] <seb128> the mp3 or mpeg one?
[18:01] <pedro_> bug 609855
[18:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 609855 in totem (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Totem unable to play youtube videos (affects: 19) (dups: 3) (heat: 125)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609855
[18:01] <pedro_> that's the bug, i've removed the mp3 one and it worked after that
[18:02] <pitti> Riddell, seb128: FYI, you can tar up po/ and upload the translations to launchpad; shouldn't be too hard to pour that into a script
[18:02] <pedro_> it was a suggestion by the upstream dev
[18:02] <pedro_> so i'm waiting for users feedback to move on
[18:02] <seb128> pedro_, hum ok, that's a workaround though, we can recommend users doing that but it points to what is buggy
[18:02] <pedro_> so if someone of you are having  the same issue please try to remove that plugin and comment back
[18:02] <seb128> I will try
[18:03] <pedro_> seb128, yeah, but we need to isolate the issue, we can follow up on the fluendo package later
[18:03] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, OK, I will work on anything noted in your versions site when I get chances
[18:03] <pedro_> thanks se
[18:03] <pedro_> thanks seb128
[18:03] <pedro_> :)
[18:03] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, check https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1 as well before or ask on the channel
[18:03] <pedro_> seb128, that's all from here , unless there's a question/comment
[18:04] <seb128> pedro_, ok thanks, let me know if anything is coming out of the RC testing this week
[18:04] <pedro_> will do
[18:04] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, I'll just continue to do the [UPDATING] thing, that way if anyone has done it or is doing it they can ping me.  Site noted too.
[18:05] <seb128> thanks pedro_
[18:05] <seb128> ok, release status
[18:05] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[18:05] <seb128> so we are past the work items tracking point but still nice to clean those and update them
[18:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you hav a few chromium one, could you update them, either set them to done or deferred now
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, sure
[18:06] <seb128> tremolux, you have one as well but it's a wikipage so you still have time to work on it
[18:06] <tremolux> yeahh, I have that little wiki page one remaining, I've got it mostly ready, I'll get that closedtoday
[18:07] <tremolux> silly it's still open  :p
[18:07] <seb128> dpm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-desktop-translations-roundtable
[18:07] <seb128> dpm, I think the policykit gettext one has been done no? could you check and confirm it's working?
[18:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, tremolux: thanks
[18:07] <seb128>  
[18:08] <seb128> otherwise RC iso are available today
[18:08] <seb128> ara, Riddell, what is the current status? desktop are ready to test?
[18:08] <Riddell> yes, please test
[18:08] <seb128> please everybody take some time to do RC iso testing
[18:08] <Riddell> desktop, alternates, dvds coming soon (well not that soon, dvds take ages)
[18:08] <kenvandine> will do
[18:08] <pedro_> btw the page of the tracker is : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:09] <ara> Riddell, desktop?
[18:09] <seb128> maverick should be a solid milestone just make sure we didn't let any annoying issue that would ruin our users experience
[18:09] <Riddell> ara: what's the question?
[18:09] <ara> Riddell, ah, OK, I misunderstood your sentence
[18:10] <ara> I thought that the three were coming soon
[18:10] <ara> hence the confusion :)
[18:10] <Riddell> desktop, alternates out now
[18:10] <didrocks> Riddell: une is ready as well?
[18:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, pitti, mterry: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:10] <kenvandine> on it
[18:10] <mterry> will do
[18:10] <kenvandine> :)
[18:10] <Riddell> didrocks: yes indeed
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[18:10] <tremolux> will do
[18:10] <seb128> ok, that's it from me
[18:10] <seb128> let's make sure maverick rocks
[18:10] <didrocks> Riddell: great!
[18:10] <seb128> happy iso testing and bugs fixing
[18:11] <Riddell> pitti: po upload sounds interesting, how do we do that?
[18:11] <pedro_> \o/
[18:11] <didrocks> thanks seb128 :)
[18:11] <seb128> any other question or comment?.
[18:13] <seb128> seems not
[18:13] <seb128> thanks everybody
[18:13] <pedro_> thanks seb128
[18:13] <tremolux> thanks seb128, thanks everybody!
[18:13] <seb128> bah bug #640807
[18:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Forces low refresh rate on CRT monitor (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640807
[18:14] <didrocks> thanks everybody
[18:14]  * mterry reboots
[18:16] <pitti> Riddell: for example https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/gdm/+pots/gdm/+upload
[18:16] <kenvandine> pedro_, ok, i marked bug 648068 as invalid... it technically shouldn't be possible anymore, so he must have had a broken install of the package
[18:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648068 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "desktopcouch-service crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648068
[18:16] <kenvandine> and now that he worked around that, we can't debug it :/
[18:17] <mvo> seb128: it looks like bug #445303 just bite jibel on iso testing - any chance this gets fixed?
[18:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 445303 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 8 other projects) "policykit-1 password dialog sometimes hangs (affects: 114) (dups: 26) (heat: 319)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445303
[18:18] <seb128> mvo, I don't really see if being fixed before maverick now
[18:19] <seb128> it's around for a year and didn't move a lot
[18:19] <mvo> hm, bad
[18:19] <seb128> is there anybody who would be interested to try to debug bug 445303
[18:19] <glatzor> seb128, mvo: <hughsie> glatzor: that smells like a pam problem
[18:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 445303 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 8 other projects) "policykit-1 password dialog sometimes hangs (affects: 114) (dups: 26) (heat: 319)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445303
[18:20] <seb128> seems james_w worked on it a bit
[18:20] <james_w> yep
[18:20] <seb128> could be something for pitti or chrisccoulson otherwise I guess they are those who know the best policykit there
[18:20] <james_w> I'd agree with hughsie
[18:21] <james_w> I can't reproduce it though
[18:21] <james_w> if anyone can I would love for you to run something to find out what is going on
[18:21] <seb128> mvo, ^ find us somebody who can trigger the bug
[18:21] <seb128> ;-)
[18:21] <mvo> it looks like I'm able to trigger it, let me try again
[18:22] <mvo> latest maverick (well, updated yesterday), 64bit, using softare-center, licking on install, wait ~1 minute
[18:22] <james_w> everyone that I have spoken to that can trigger it says that they did nothing special
[18:22] <james_w> yeah, I have a suspicion that 64bit at least makes it more likely
[18:24] <james_w> mvo: you didn't enter your password?
[18:24] <mvo> no, just waiting
[18:25] <mvo> hm, now it seems to be not working anymore
[18:25] <mvo> *grumpf*
[18:25] <pitti> mvo: "licking on install" -> you have to use your mouse if you don't have a touch/tonguescreen
[18:25] <seb128> lol
[18:25] <pitti> but I've never seen that problem either
[18:26] <pitti> it might be more likely with s-c, I'm not really using that very often
[18:26] <mvo> heh :) I'm sure its the licking that triggers it, try it!
[18:26] <james_w> hmm, maybe it's not the one I am remembering?
[18:26] <james_w> it's the one where the password field disappears, but the dialog hangs around?
[18:27] <pitti> apparenlty seb's PK dialog kills the entire sessino
[18:28] <bcurtiswx_> whats the point of a mask if when you login, it still shows it..
[18:28] <bcurtiswx_> before switching the ubuntu/member/<name>
[18:29] <mvo> james_w: not sure, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/649939https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/649939
[18:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649939 in software-center (Ubuntu) "authentication popup does nothing when installating new software (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:30] <mvo> james_w: jibel said the entry was invible at this point
[18:30] <james_w> aha, a reliable tester!
[18:33] <mvo> james_w: he hangs around in #ubuntu-testing
[18:40] <didrocks> mterry: good catch for the icocn change :)
[18:41] <mterry> didrocks, maybe I should have switched teams to DX to be a unity tester  :)
[18:41] <milanbv> have you noticed that the last reporters of the PK bug said desktop effects on proprietary drivers trigger it?
[18:41] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, a unity spammer even :)
[18:48] <cjohnston> wb kenvandine
[18:48] <kenvandine> thx cjohnston
[18:50] <cjohnston> So all three have updated today.. twitter identi.ca and fb.. I'm running whatever is in the mav repo
[19:01] <kenvandine> cjohnston, woot
[19:01] <kenvandine> cjohnston, glad to hear gwibber works for you, for a change :)
[19:02]  * didrocks waves good evening
[19:02] <kenvandine> good night didrocks
[19:02] <cjohnston> o/
[19:02] <cjohnston> is there a ppa I should upgrade to kenvandine ?
[19:02] <didrocks> se you kenvandine ;)
[19:03] <kenvandine> cjohnston, maverick is your best bet for now... the daily builds isn't very different right now
[19:03] <cjohnston> ok
[19:03] <kenvandine> but we could break it completely any moment :)
[19:03] <cjohnston> hehe
[19:03] <cjohnston> your trying your best to do that? hehee
[19:03] <kenvandine> trunk is open for crack...
[19:03] <bcurtiswx_> that can be taken the wrong way..
[19:04] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, indeed ... i planned it that way :)
[19:04] <bcurtiswx_> :P
[19:04] <kenvandine> cjohnston, it does have read only support for foursquare :)
[19:05] <cjohnston> hmm
[19:05] <cjohnston> interesting
[20:24] <sense> What will we do with OpenOffice.org in previous releases of Ubuntu when (minor) updates for it will be released? Continue calling it OpenOffice, or use the new LibreOffice build?
[20:29]  * bcurtiswx_ learned something new today
[20:30] <bcurtiswx_> sense, would it make more sense (no pun intended) to backport patches (if the name of the package does in fact change) ?
[20:31] <sense> bcurtiswx_: That would probably be the best approach, especially for LTSes.
[20:32] <bcurtiswx_> BTW, (side note) for all who care, i have bcurtiswx also highlighted so you don't have to keep typing in the underscore if you don't want to
[20:32] <bcurtiswx_> sense, agreed :)
[20:41] <kklimonda> sense: is it a sure thing that Oracle is going to axe the OOo and all distributuions will switch over to LibreOffice?
[20:41] <sense> kklimonda: Mark Shuttleworth has already said that Canonical will ship Ubuntu with LibreOffice.
[20:42] <sense> and already LibreOffice seems to be a lot better than the plain OpenOffice now they're merging the work from go-OO and starting a cruft-clean initiative
[20:42] <kklimonda> heh, when (and were) has he said that?
[20:42] <sense> kklimonda: http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/
[20:43] <sense> kklimonda: Also, most, if not all, prominent (community) developers are behind LibreOffice, so I don't expect a lot of work being done on OpenOffice.
[20:43] <sense> Of course, it is still unsure what will happen to the paid developers.
[20:44] <kklimonda> OOo has never striked me as a project that is actually being developed. It's such a piece of.... bad software ;)
[20:44] <sense> kklimonda: Agreed, and that's why LibreOffice is such great news!
[20:44] <bcurtiswx_> kklimonda, hopefully it will become better with a new direction
[20:45] <kklimonda> are there plans to update the interface and port it over to Gtk+ ?
[20:45] <sense> Not sure, would be nice though.
[20:45] <sense> I don't think there are much plans yet, though.
[20:45] <bcurtiswx_> what did go-OO do?
[20:46] <sense> bcurtiswx: It added some functionality and bug fixes that Sun refused to accept.
[20:46] <sense> Novell maintained it
[20:46] <sense> It is said that the development process was very bureaucratic.
[20:47] <sense> Very much like discouraging people to contribute.
[20:47] <bcurtiswx_> Well, then this is certainly great news
[20:47] <kklimonda> I wonder if there is any chance to keep the name
[20:48] <kklimonda> for better or worse "OpenOffice.org" is a brand already.
[20:48] <kklimonda> And quite a lot of people has heard of it
[20:48] <ajmitch> that'll depend on oracle playing nice
[20:48] <sense> They requested Oracle to give the brand to the foundation, but Oracle hasn't said anything on the matter yet.
[20:48] <kklimonda> ajmitch: Oracle didn't strike me as a company that plays nice with Community
[20:49] <kklimonda> or, for that matter, with anyone
[20:49] <ajmitch> kklimonda: right, so we'll see if they try & improve their image this time around :)
[20:49] <bcurtiswx_> It's obvious in ways, to see what a company really prides.  Money vs Benefitting Others..
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> [UPDATING] gnome-themes