[00:00] lifeless: What was the problem you needed me to be a' fixin'? [00:00] morning RAOF :) [00:00] Good evening didrocks :) [00:01] didrocks: Relaxing in preparation for the RC, I see :) [00:01] RAOF: exactly, sauna and all this stuff including in work hours as you can see :-) [00:01] included* even :) [00:05] ok, calling it a day [00:05] chrisccoulson_, do you have upload rights for glibmm? [00:13] seb128 - yeah, it looks like it [00:26] ok, excellent [00:26] we need that in, gnome-system-monitor crashes on start on a missing symbol with the new glib [00:26] due to the g_application abi being dropped [00:26] thanks everybody for the work today [00:26] we got most of GNOME updates done in a day, quite a productive day ;-) [00:26] thanks seb128 for the hard first day after vacation :) [00:26] we will probably need some retries on builds btw [00:26] things will fail on amd64 likely due to the arch any all mismatch [00:26] I can take care of those if I know what I need to look out for. [00:26] yeah, looks like it… but at least, we can retry those tomorrow and have a good CD on Wednesday [00:26] ok [00:26] yeah don't bother it will take a while to sort better to ask a buildd admin to just retry everything which failed during the night [00:26] Make sense. [00:26] but that will do for tomorrow [00:26] makes [00:26] Sarvatt: ahm, trying that [00:26] Sarvatt: PPA to be removed: xorg-edgers ppa [00:26] Warning: Could not find package list for PPA: xorg-edgers ppa [00:26] robertc@lifeless-64:~$ [00:26] lifeless: you had it active a really long time ago and it didn't downgrade properly it looks like, xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2+git20100121.e81cd935-0ubuntu0sarvat is from there [00:26] just add it to your sources, apt-get update then ppa-purge again [00:26] and a new nautilus to finish the day! [00:26] ok, that's glibmm done [00:26] and enough for me today :) [00:26] yeah, uploaded \o/ [00:26] see you tomorrow guys [00:26] later RAOF :) [00:26] Have fun not working! :) [00:26] RAOF: yeah, for few hours (next call in 7h30) :-) [00:26] RAOF: I'm around if you need anything uploaded last minute. [00:26] But I hope you don't. :p [00:26] TheMuso: I'll be sure to come screaming to you should panic be required :) [00:26] lol [00:32] did you guys get nautilus? [00:37] I believe so. [00:37] didrocks took care of it. [00:40] TheMuso, good, thx [01:09] Well thats it now, we're locked down for RC and probably final. [01:10] At least for main. [01:26] TheMuso: how long until the builds finish? [01:28] desrt: Do you mean disk images? [01:28] I'd say we will have our first iamages tomorrow sometime. [01:28] nah. i mean the archive [01:29] like if i dist-upgrade now, will i have to do it all over again tomorrow? :) [01:30] indeed, i will [01:33] http://launchpad.net/builders - queue doesn't look very long to get the builds finished :) [01:33] * desrt ponders a new kernel [01:33] i think i'm hitting some sort of strange netfilter bug :/ [01:33] Time to shove a new compiz in? ;) [01:34] Amaranth: I'm sure it won't break much, right? [01:35] ajmitch: Actually someone blacklisted the sandy bridge pci ids but now wants the blacklist removed because dri is blocked for the maverick release but he thinks it may be sru-able [01:36] So he submitted another debdiff to wipe them from the blacklist [01:36] so that *might* get in before release if it's definite that it won't break on that hardware? [01:38] Yeah, DRI is disabled entirely on that hardware so the software rendering check blocks access [01:38] I assume the person who filed the bug has sandy bridge hardware they are testing this on [01:39] * desrt wonders what the right venue is for directing questions about "i think the kernel's netfilter code is behaving strangely for my weird application" [01:40] desrt: bug rusty about it? :P [01:41] recvfrom(25, "", 4096, MSG_DONTWAIT, NULL, NULL) = 0 [01:41] the problem. [01:41] that should only happen when the remote has hung up the connection, methinks [01:43] Amaranth: Yeah, Sarvatt has some sandybridge hardware (lucky bugger!) [01:45] it's 100% definite it wont break the hardware [01:45] I've tested *many* machines :) [01:45] DRI is disabled completely on these devices now [01:47] I wouldn't call it lucky outside of being able to build crap fast, talk about the most bug ridden hardware in existence :) [01:48] Sarvatt: but it's shiny & new :) [01:49] And since the GPU is supposed to be geforce 8000 level it might even run as fast as a geforce fx in linux :) [02:09] Yay, seem to have a tooltip stuck on the screen, and is sitting in front of everything else. :) [04:01] RAOF: Sarvatt: so, purged xorg-edgers, [04:02] still have a regression from lucid on this machine [04:02] Ok, shoot. [04:02] the touchpad edge-scroll stuff doesn't work, its still twitchy when I hold my finger on it (but not as bad as it was before) [04:03] Could you post your shiny new Xorg.0.log? It sounds like your touchpad might be being picked up by evdev rather than synaptics. [04:04] what package is the synaptic driver in ? [04:04] xserver-xorg-input-synaptics [04:05] wasn't installed - update-manager probably nuked it with that mess of conflicts. [04:05] might want install xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-input-all if it's gone because of all that mess [04:05] err just x-x-input-all rather [04:08] thanks [04:08] thats happier [04:09] two-finger doesn't do anything, but it never did; edge scroll works \o/ [04:09] evdev is a pretty crappy touchpad driver, yeah. [04:09] thats generous [04:11] (It is, incidentally, what we're using to drive Apple Magic Trackpad™s, though) [04:27] RAOF: I pity the users ? :) [04:28] Well, they get multitouch instead. [04:33] is it that jittery? [04:35] It didn't seem to be too jittery when I watched Chase demo it; it's probably got better hardware filtering than the touchpad in your lappy if your touchpad was seriously jittery. [04:54] RAOF: I can show you at UDS [04:54] it looks like a seismograph during a 4 [04:54] Awesome. Good to know that synaptics has a sufficently good filter to keep that managable :) [05:11] hi people [05:12] anyone in here using a wacom intuos3 or higher? [05:26] I suspect that there's at least one person, and they're just about to ask me why it doesn't work? [05:26] it works. [05:27] just having problems with an intuos3 and 4 [05:32] they pick' up and drops all the time. [05:34] I'm not sure what you mean there - it sounds like it's mis-detecting drag events? === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:01] Good morning [07:07] Howdie pitti. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === smspillaz is now known as SmSpillaz [08:31] good morning [08:33] didrocks: hi, could you check all the gnome bits from last night built? at last gtk and atk didn't [08:33] (they should be about done now after a retry) [08:34] Riddell: on amd64 or i386 as well? [08:34] only amd64 [08:35] Riddell: you added ttf-ubuntu-font-family to ubuntu-meta and kubuntu-meta, have you done the same for netbook-meta? [08:36] didn't see it [08:39] ok, will add it to the netbook-meta seed then [08:41] didrocks: no, go ahead [08:44] Riddell: done [08:49] didrocks: please fix version numbers in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement [08:50] Riddell: will do in a couple of minutes, thanks! [08:51] hey there [08:57] hey seb128, good morning [08:59] hey pitti [08:59] do you feel better today? [09:00] yeah, a lot [09:00] great === asac_ is now known as asac [09:29] didrocks, pitti: hum, weird choice to not update gnome-keyring and disable gpg by default [09:29] we are on an unstable version with bugs and without a gpg agent [09:29] why didn't we update to the final one? [09:30] or will we in an SRU? [09:30] seb128: I thought g-keyring doesn't support a timeout, which was what kees was complaining about? [09:30] dunno, I'm mid bug reading on "gnome-keyring prompts lack way to set default timeout" [09:30] I noticed that I get a password prompt from the ssh-agent now; it's not unlocked on login any more [09:30] it should be unrelated to ssh, though [09:31] pitti, right and the fix you guys picked seem to turn off the gnome-keyring gpg agent in favor of the seahorse one not installed [09:31] I'm puzzled on how no agent is better than one with no setting [09:32] would installing seahorse-plugins override the g-keyring one? [09:32] no [09:32] well I've not tested but I guess the behaviour change was because it's not the case [09:33] Laney, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=eec3d69e22dedfcb5e19cdc9ecf377f91279dd22 [09:33] could be the fix for your issue [09:34] thanks, will test [09:35] didrocks, pitti: ok, anyway for next cycle now, the new version transition to gsettings [09:35] it's not really rc upload or sru material for this cycle [09:35] seb128: ah, so that was the reason why we stopped upgrading, presumably? [09:35] I don't know [09:36] we were upgrading before I went on holidays [09:36] I'm waiting on didrocks to reply to know why we stayed on .91 [09:40] seb128: we stayed on .91 because of issues with gsettings, IIRC [09:40] 2010-09-13 11:26:40 seb128 didrocks [09:40] , the gnome-keyring updates are not to do [09:40] and TBH I was already too busy to have a proper look then [09:41] so, switching back to lucid behavior seemed to be the safest option [09:41] ok, no blame, I was just trying to understand why we turned off the gpg agent [09:41] since we have none in the default install [09:41] those who use seahorse can turn of gnome-keyring if they need the configuration options [09:41] like in lucid? [09:41] but anyway it's minor [09:41] no, in lucid we had no gpg agent [09:41] now gnome-keyring has one [09:42] ie we were winning a gpg agent in the default install [09:42] yeah, but kees had concerned about security [09:42] I will talk to him when he's around [09:42] thanks [09:42] chrisccoulson, hey [09:42] yw [09:42] hi seb128 - how are you? [09:42] I'm fine thank you, how are you? [09:42] thanks for the glibmm update [09:43] didrocks, we got a bit short for some of the things we had to do this cycle [09:43] and we got a bit hit by the glib and gtk schedules [09:43] seb128: I agree, it was quite short :) [09:44] I think we did a nice job in see of the situation [09:44] * seb128 hugs didrocks [09:44] * didrocks hugs seb128 [09:44] no more christmas tree there until maverick is out, I hope! :) [09:45] didrocks, I can highlight you on some channels if you want [09:45] so you don't feel like nobody cares about you today ;-) [09:45] seb128: I can live with that feeling, you know :-) [09:46] at least for a day! [09:46] ;-) [09:51] * pitti hugs didrocks and seb128 [09:51] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:51] * didrocks hugs pitti too [09:51] thanks for continuing some work on the platform side [09:51] *beam* [09:52] didrocks: way more than I'm supposed to.. :) [09:52] but I guess I had that coming [09:52] pitti: yeah, I know. But I can't see how we could have done without it :) [09:52] when are you back on platform? at uds? [09:52] I think I ended up at about 60/40 or 50/50 [09:52] seb128: yes [09:54] pitti - are you looking forward to coming back? :) [09:54] yes, I do! [09:54] excellent! [09:55] it was fun and interesting for a cycle, but my roots are in platform and the free stuff [10:29] ronoc: ping [10:30] hi Jorn [10:30] hello Conor === doko_ is now known as doko === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:39] reboot, brb [11:45] wb didrocks. [11:45] hey duanedesign, how are you? [11:46] didrocks: i have been good. Hoping couch replication gets turned back on soon :) [11:48] didrocks: been working a lot on another project of mine CLI companion. It turned out to be rather popular so i have been putting a lot of effort into it. [11:48] duanedesign: yeah, I see that, that's awesome! :) [11:49] and nice idea on your blog post btw :) [11:50] didrocks: i am excited for UDS next month. Going to be the first one that I have been able to participate in person [11:51] duanedesign: oh, nice to see you there! yeah UDS is really a good time for enjoying the ubuntu community :) [11:51] * duanedesign nods [11:52] can not wait to meet everyone in person. Talk to all these people on IRC and email over the years === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:03] seb128: please ignore the i386 retracer failure mail, just fixed [12:03] seb128: (I also fixed the chroot script to divert gio-querymodules, for a longer-term workaround) [12:07] is this wanted in main for maverick? bug #649581 [12:07] Launchpad bug 649581 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ubuntu-font-family-sources (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649581 [12:13] howdy [12:14] hi cyphermox! === ara_ is now known as ara === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [12:33] pitti, ok [12:33] pitti, do you understand the issue there? [12:33] pitti, I don't get why it fails to find symbols in the lib which is installed [12:35] I don't understand it, no [12:36] ok [12:37] doko, try asking on #ubuntu-release [12:37] doko, I don't think the upload comes from desktop people, at least neither didrocks or me know about it [12:37] we discussed it early today [12:38] yeah, was quite surprized to see it this morning. I just refresh the netbook-meta seeing others being refreshed [13:00] hey mterry [13:00] hey pedro_ [13:00] good morning mterry :) [13:00] hi pedro_! [13:00] seb128, didrocks: hi all. GNOME went mostly OK it seems? [13:00] mterry, it seems yes [13:01] thanks a lot for yesterday's update :) [13:01] hello seb128 didrocks :-) [13:01] the archive is really frozen today [13:01] so no update to do [13:01] mterry, thanks for the help on updates [13:01] * mterry relaxes :) [13:01] yesterday was pretty busy but we manages to get most of the updates in [13:01] we managed [13:02] today should be quiet ;-) [13:02] mterry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-09-28 [13:02] btw [13:02] quiet except for all the ISO testing you're about to do... [13:02] Riddell, right, I consider that relaxing compared to the upgrades sprint we had yesterday [13:02] ;-) [13:03] good, ISOs are up, get testing! [13:03] mterry, you might want to add yourself on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingTemplate as well [13:03] Riddell, ok ;-) [13:03] seb128, I fill out my activities ahead of time? Does that cover just the previous week (Monday->Friday) or Tuesday->Monday? [13:03] mterry, tuesday->monday [13:04] seb128, k [13:04] mterry, there is no hard line for the filling the wiki, try to do it before the meeting if you can [13:05] mterry, there meeting is at 16:30 utc [13:05] on this channel [13:06] seb128, yup [13:06] mterry, there is nothing specific to prepare, just be around and write your activity report [13:06] not sure if you watched some of the previous meeting or not [13:19] didrocks: hey ;) ... what was this game called again (remember?) [13:19] asac: oh, this 3D game? :) [13:19] yo frankie! [13:19] www.yofrankie.org [13:20] it's in the archives now IIRC [13:20] yes it is :) [13:20] didrocks, the name doesn't make me want to play it [13:21] seb128: hehe, it's a game from the blender fundation, using the same character than in big buck bunny www.bigbuckbunny.or [13:21] g* [13:21] hah [13:21] it's more a tech demo to show what you can do with blender (as the movie was and to enhance blender as well) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [13:29] seb128, heh. I broke MeetingTemplate. Tried to add myself, got an internal server error, and now the page can't be edited [13:30] mterry, wfm [13:30] mterry, can you try again? [13:31] well I can enter the edit mode [13:31] hum [13:31] mterry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingTemplate [13:31] seems your edit worked [13:31] seb128, yup, fixed itself [13:31] ok great === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:42] jcastro: hey, any news on the git submodule support in launchpad? it affects banshee too :P and are you going to support PPAs for non-ubuntu distributions too at some point? like debian? [14:02] anyone familiar with the compiz project and knows about the status of emerald? [14:03] geser: my knowledge is a bit dated (haven't much looked at the changes in the last 6 month), but it was stale for a long time [14:03] geser, you might want to ask on the compiz channel [14:04] the #compiz-dev is a good channel usually [14:04] i thought emerald was dead long ago [14:05] ohai [14:05] yeah, emerald is long gone [14:05] although a new one is being written [14:05] kiwinote: hello! cold you please have a quick look at my patch in bug #646584 - if it makes sense or breaks something else? [14:05] Launchpad bug 646584 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Can't get freepats when search "freepats" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646584 [14:05] kiwinote: when you have time, no rush [14:06] well, I was writing it, although libdecoration has very little documentation, so it's been ... a learning experience [14:07] SmSpillaz: do you have any suggestions what we should do with the emerald (0.7.2) we have in the archive? keep it? drop it? something else? [14:08] *shrug* [14:08] keep it if there is demand [14:08] there isn't anything wrong with it [14:08] just there is no development on it [14:08] since the code is a mess [14:09] it crashes randomly apparantly too [14:09] I don't think my replacement will be ready for a while [14:09] slomo: the submodule bug is a bzr bug, it's high priority but I am being told there's still work to do there. I am aware it affects most GNOME things. [14:09] kiwinote: and thanks btw for the excellent fixes branch [14:09] slomo: the debian PPA support is already an open bug somewhere [14:10] SmSpillaz: thanks [14:10] jcastro: ok, thanks :) i didn't know that submodules are used by that many projects ;) [14:11] slomo: yeah, it appears to be popular [14:13] seb128: please could the desktop team have a look at the desktop related build failures in main? [14:13] http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi [14:14] doko, ok [14:15] pitti, apport is on this ftbfs list [14:15] do you know about it? [14:15] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/apport_1.14.1-0ubuntu7_lubuntu32.buildlog [14:15] I don't, no [14:15] pitti, could you check if it builds for you? [14:16] someone pinged me about this some weeks ago, but I never could reproduce it [14:16] it builds fine locally and in the buildds [14:16] mvo: hi! yes, I think your patch makes sense, and I can't think of anything that the change may break [14:17] pitti, ok, let's say it's a false error then [14:17] seb128: just retried, still building fine [14:18] pitti, ok thanks [14:19] mvo: I assume that that line originated from when we counted the apps/pkgs in a slightly different way, but now we don't need it anymore [14:19] mterry, do you have some time to help investigating some build issues on http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi? === jorge_ is now known as jcastro_ === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [14:20] jcastro, hey [14:20] seb128, sure [14:20] mterry, thanks [14:20] mterry, can you pick the ones that seem desktopish in main to start? [14:20] ie gnome-applets [14:20] seb128, ok [14:21] thanks [14:21] chrisccoulson, do you still plan to work on telepathy-glib? [14:21] chrisccoulson, you probably can ask for help on #telepathy if you have issues [14:21] we should probably aim to get .16 than debian has [14:21] pitti: I did, and I think it was a problem with the rebuild [14:21] seb128 - i can look at it in a bit, i'm just doing my status report [14:22] #telepathy has responsive upstream and debian maintainers [14:22] chrisccoulson, ok [14:22] Is anyone maintaining compiz? We just noticed that emerald is a bit out of shape in Universe and nobody seems to be taking care of it — maybe the same person would like to poke it [14:22] seb128 - the issue is that vapigen fails to create the bindings, even with the current telepathy-glib version (0.11.15) in the archive :( [14:22] Laney, geser just asked about it like 15 minutes before you [14:22] seb128: ah [14:22] ty [14:23] chrisccoulson, #telepathy has vala and introspection guys as well [14:23] chrisccoulson, just ask there if they have an idea on the issue [14:23] they might have pointers to workaround it [14:25] kiwinote: thanks, its in the 3.0 branch now and I will upload it later [14:26] mvo: great! thanks for making the connection between that bug report and that line of code [14:26] seb128, hey, what can I do for you? [14:28] jcastro, I'm trying to remember what I wanted to ask early ;-) [14:28] seb128, pitti: I just uploaded a u1-client package, but then found out a fix needed, so should you reject my first upload so that I release a new one, or is it ok to have both 1.4.4 and 1.4.4.1 in the queue? [14:28] seb128, it's not about featured apps is it? [14:28] rodrigo_, you can have both, the old one will probably be rejected [14:29] seb128, ok [14:29] jcastro, no, but thanks for pushing for those [14:29] jcastro, oh, I wanted to ask if you replied to karl's email about planet and uds [14:29] jcastro, is he coming to uds? [14:30] I don't know [14:30] kenvandine, hey [14:33] kenvandine, do you work today or are just on IRC by error? [14:35] rodrigo_, I've rejected the u1-client upload to avoid confusion [14:35] seb128, ok, better [14:35] hey seb128 [14:35] working today :) [14:35] kenvandine, oh ok, welcome back [14:35] thx :) [14:35] kenvandine, sorry I put you in the excused category on the meeting wikipage [14:35] I though you were coming back tomorrow [14:35] no worries [14:36] * kenvandine needs to try to remember what he did last week :) [14:37] kenvandine, I see, I'm not around and you guys just slack [14:37] now that I'm back you have to figure something to write :p [14:37] hehe [14:37] what I did last week: I missed seb [14:37] did you have a good vacation? [14:38] excellent thanks [14:38] was great to have some time away from any keyboard [14:38] good... hopefully you forgot about us for a bit :) [14:38] I don't say screen because I watched some tv :p [14:38] hehe [14:38] mvo, ;-) [14:38] :p [14:38] * mvo hugs seb128 [14:38] * seb128 hugs mvo [14:41] brb... gotta test my static dhcp setup so i don't have to hunt and peck for my home server next time it renews it's dhcp address :) [14:44] seb128, ok, 1.4.4.1 uploaded [14:44] rodrigo_, ok, that one is not up to me and will probably not be reviewed before the RC anyway [14:45] oh, ok [14:45] rodrigo_, if you really need it in you can try to argue on #ubuntu-release [14:45] seb128, I'll let joshuahoover do it :) [14:45] but the freeze was at the start of the day [14:45] you are half a day late [14:45] I think he already asked the release team for a u1-client upload today [14:45] ah, I thought it was morning in US [14:46] no, it's 0:00 utc [14:46] ok [15:10] seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gnome-applets/dbus-glib-ftbfs/+merge/36869 (am filing upstream bug too) [15:10] mterry: thanks, maybe check upstream 2.32 before [15:11] mterry: it might be deprecated there but we didn't track gnome-panel and gnome-applets 2.32 [15:11] seb128, k [15:11] they switch to use dbus instead of bonobo and it was unclear it would bring anything this cycle out of extra work [15:12] mterry: because the rules is running autoreconf so you don't need to bother patching the makefile.in as well [15:13] seb128, oh, didn't notice the autoreconf line. I'm not used to that being there [15:13] we started doing that this cycle [15:13] it's quite handy [15:13] I like it. :) [15:26] anyone else been noticing that compiz likes to crash at some rather arbitrary time, in maverick? [15:26] no [15:26] did that start recently for you? [15:26] it happened once before, and it just happened like 30 seconds ago [15:26] * bcurtiswx_ doesn't notice any crashes [15:27] ATI Radeon card here [15:27] compiz went away, and i was suddenly in metacity, and all my windows got moved to first workspace, and all my terminals resized to 80x24 [15:27] i'm on nvidia [15:27] did you got a crash file in /var/crash ? [15:29] mvo: no, i don't see one [15:29]