| thorwil | good morning! | 08:26 |
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| ChrisWoollard | ping: throwil | 09:08 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: pong | 09:12 |
| ChrisWoollard | oooo, hello | 09:12 |
| ChrisWoollard | I noticed that you updated the titlepage images the other day | 09:12 |
| thorwil | hi. mised you by 20 minutes or so, yesterday | 09:12 |
| ChrisWoollard | I was at lunch and had to run awayd | 09:13 |
| ChrisWoollard | is titlepage/title_page_letter_template.svg the new image for standard titlepage? I noticed that the names have changed a little | 09:13 |
| ChrisWoollard | thorwil? | 09:16 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: being in letter format, it's for en_US | 09:19 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: and being a template, it shouldn't be used directly | 09:20 |
| thorwil | because the "10.10" part has to be replaced by the script that does the translations | 09:21 |
| ChrisWoollard | I was just wondering. I think I have to convert it to a pdf to get the manual to compile. That was what had to be done last time | 09:24 |
| thorwil | actually, i should create the en versions | 09:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | :) | 09:37 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard, godbyk: renamed the templates to be less wordy and added en and en_US versions (A4 and Letter) | 10:35 |
| thorwil | for Lucid, we had en_AU and en_GB, but i don't see the point in that | 10:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | I agree, I would have expected those to be handled by the translation teams. There is no point in a en_AU and en_GB especially if there is not difference in the language on the titlepage. | 11:06 |
| ChrisWoollard | speaking of english. My english in that sentence wasn't great. I should really think before writing | 11:09 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | Just to clarify the title pages for 10.10 | 14:28 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | There appears to be a discrepancy between the svgs. | 14:29 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | Some of the image have "Second Edition" written on them. | 14:29 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | s/image/images | 14:29 |
| ChrisWoollard_ | I also notice that on some of the images the 10.10 is written in small-caps and on others it isn't. Can you check and make sure everything is as you would expect? | 14:33 |
| godbyk | Hey, thorwil. Can you add PDFs of the default letter-size and A4-size title pages to the repository? | 17:16 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I'll update the latex code to point to the new filenames. | 17:16 |
| thorwil | godbyk: i can, but i thought we wanted to avoid such files that could be generated | 17:18 |
| godbyk | thorwil: typically we do. I think I disabled the autogeneration of the PDFs in the Makefile somewhere along the way because inkscape wasn't doing a very good job. | 17:19 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I can re-enable it and we can see how the results look. | 17:19 |
| thorwil | godbyk: yes, please. latest inkscape release should be fine | 17:20 |
| godbyk | thorwil: okay, I'll give it a shot. | 17:21 |
| godbyk | (sadly, this means I'll have to wait forever for inkscape to load -- it hates my large font collection) | 17:21 |
| godbyk | thorwil: do I need to use any other args besides --export-text-to-path? | 17:22 |
| godbyk | thorwil: oh, and just so I'm sure I understand, the title page SVGs are named titlepage-LANGCODE.svg, correct? | 17:23 |
| thorwil | godbyk: not if it defaults to expoert-area-is-page (as opposed to drawing) | 17:23 |
| godbyk | I think it defaults to export area = page, but I'll specify it just to be safe. | 17:24 |
| godbyk | The default DPI is 90 for --export-dpi=DPI. Is that sufficient? | 17:25 |
| thorwil | godbyk: only counts for rasterization. there is nothing to raster | 17:26 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 17:26 |
| thorwil | if there was, we could easily need about 300 for lulu or such | 17:27 |
| godbyk | agreed | 17:28 |
| godbyk | this makefile has gotten really messy over time. | 17:29 |
| thorwil | that's the nature of things | 17:29 |
| dutchie | especially Makefiles | 17:30 |
| godbyk | Hey, dutchie. How are you at Makefiles? <evil grin> | 17:34 |
| godbyk | Looking through it, I'm thinking about replacing the Makefile with a shell script instead. | 17:35 |
| thorwil | godbyk: shell? not haskell? | 17:40 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I was considering FORTRAN for a bit. | 17:41 |
| thorwil | well, not FORTRAN, but FORTH: http://vividpicture.com/aleks/atari/forth.jpg | 17:51 |
| === ChrisWoollard_ is now known as ChrisWoollard | ||
| godbyk | Hey, ChrisWoollard.. stable connection yet? :) | 18:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | yes | 18:52 |
| ChrisWoollard | it is ok now | 18:52 |
| ChrisWoollard | I think there was a flakey server. My client tried another server after a couple of retries. Now it seems stable. | 18:53 |
| ChrisWoollard | thorwil? | 19:02 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard! | 19:03 |
| ChrisWoollard | hello | 19:04 |
| ChrisWoollard | did you see my previous message about the svgs? | 19:04 |
| ChrisWoollard | some mention second edition | 19:04 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: i did not. all "Second Edition" strings should be on their own, hidden layers | 19:06 |
| ChrisWoollard | when i looked. they were visible on some images and not others. | 19:07 |
| ChrisWoollard | Ok. I see. on some images the layer has been left visible. | 19:10 |
| thorwil | found one. next push will fix it | 19:11 |
| ChrisWoollard | ok. | 19:11 |
| ChrisWoollard | i didn't realise they were different layers. It i did, i could have fixed that myself. | 19:12 |
| ChrisWoollard | that sould have been "If it did" | 19:14 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: i look on the bright side if people don't touch "my" SVGs ;) | 19:14 |
| ChrisWoollard | I know what you mean. If people don't touch, they don't break. | 19:15 |
| ChrisWoollard | thanks for the help :) | 19:16 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: thanks for caring! | 19:16 |
| thorwil | godbyk: pushed to rev 54 to hide "Second Edition"s and to replace the globe icon with a better one | 19:17 |
| manualbot | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/54 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 54 | 19:17 |
| thorwil | 4 poles ... what have i been smoking? | 19:18 |
| ChrisWoollard | no idea ;) | 19:19 |
| ChrisWoollard | thanks for that. I wil create the pdf versions for files for the manual later. | 19:21 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: weren't the results of godbyk's attempt to generate the PDFs on the fly satisfying? | 19:23 |
| ChrisWoollard | I don't think that works. | 19:23 |
| ChrisWoollard | with lucid-e2 we had to do them manually. | 19:24 |
| ChrisWoollard | maybe for the translations it works. | 19:24 |
| ChrisWoollard | but the manual has two that it uses for fallback | 19:24 |
| ChrisWoollard | if it cannot find other versions | 19:25 |
| thorwil | ChrisWoollard: last state of today i know of was godbyk looking into it, if can avoid it this time | 19:25 |
| ChrisWoollard | I will talk to him later to check where he got to. | 19:26 |
| ChrisWoollard | There are no commits for it yet from him | 19:27 |
| ChrisWoollard | evening jenkins | 19:42 |
| jenkins | hey chris | 19:42 |
| godbyk | yeah, I'm trying to fix the makefile.. or replace it with a shell script. | 19:49 |
| ChrisWoollard | how long do you think that magic will take? | 19:56 |
| ChrisWoollard | or is it voodoo | 19:57 |
| godbyk | I probably won't get to it 'til later this evening. | 19:58 |
| godbyk | You're welcome to work on it if you'd like. | 19:58 |
| dutchie | how would a shell script be better? | 19:58 |
| dutchie | oh no, my spooks iplayering has failed | 19:59 |
| godbyk | dutchie: only in that Makefile keeps trying to grab the wrong target or fiddle with dependencies. (it's not really make's problems; most likely because I'm not the best at writing makefiles.) | 19:59 |
| ChrisWoollard | what are you actually trying to achieve with the makefile? | 20:23 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: it should generate the title page PDF if it doesn't already exist or if it's older than the source svg. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | there's code in there to do that. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | but the makefile is whining about other little issues. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | and my brain's not fully functional today. :) | 20:46 |
| ChrisWoollard | That does sound really tricky. I think it is beyond me, esp. as i have never tried to write a makefile. | 23:00 |
| flan | makefiles are really nothing more than a collection of commands grouped under keyword headers with conditions. | 23:52 |
| flan | What I just wrote took more effort than creating a simple one. | 23:53 |
| flan | Though, granted, the makefile for something like the manual's probably a lot more complex than those for small projects. | 23:53 |
| ChrisWoollard | :) | 23:57 |
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