[08:26] good morning! [09:08] ping: throwil [09:12] ChrisWoollard: pong [09:12] oooo, hello [09:12] I noticed that you updated the titlepage images the other day [09:12] hi. mised you by 20 minutes or so, yesterday [09:13] I was at lunch and had to run awayd [09:13] is titlepage/title_page_letter_template.svg the new image for standard titlepage? I noticed that the names have changed a little [09:16] thorwil? [09:19] ChrisWoollard: being in letter format, it's for en_US [09:20] ChrisWoollard: and being a template, it shouldn't be used directly [09:21] because the "10.10" part has to be replaced by the script that does the translations [09:24] I was just wondering. I think I have to convert it to a pdf to get the manual to compile. That was what had to be done last time [09:32] actually, i should create the en versions [09:37] :) [10:35] ChrisWoollard, godbyk: renamed the templates to be less wordy and added en and en_US versions (A4 and Letter) [10:36] for Lucid, we had en_AU and en_GB, but i don't see the point in that [11:06] I agree, I would have expected those to be handled by the translation teams. There is no point in a en_AU and en_GB especially if there is not difference in the language on the titlepage. [11:09] speaking of english. My english in that sentence wasn't great. I should really think before writing [14:28] Just to clarify the title pages for 10.10 [14:29] There appears to be a discrepancy between the svgs. [14:29] Some of the image have "Second Edition" written on them. [14:29] s/image/images [14:33] I also notice that on some of the images the 10.10 is written in small-caps and on others it isn't. Can you check and make sure everything is as you would expect? [17:16] Hey, thorwil. Can you add PDFs of the default letter-size and A4-size title pages to the repository? [17:16] thorwil: I'll update the latex code to point to the new filenames. [17:18] godbyk: i can, but i thought we wanted to avoid such files that could be generated [17:19] thorwil: typically we do. I think I disabled the autogeneration of the PDFs in the Makefile somewhere along the way because inkscape wasn't doing a very good job. [17:19] thorwil: I can re-enable it and we can see how the results look. [17:20] godbyk: yes, please. latest inkscape release should be fine [17:21] thorwil: okay, I'll give it a shot. [17:21] (sadly, this means I'll have to wait forever for inkscape to load -- it hates my large font collection) [17:22] thorwil: do I need to use any other args besides --export-text-to-path? [17:23] thorwil: oh, and just so I'm sure I understand, the title page SVGs are named titlepage-LANGCODE.svg, correct? [17:23] godbyk: not if it defaults to expoert-area-is-page (as opposed to drawing) [17:24] I think it defaults to export area = page, but I'll specify it just to be safe. [17:25] The default DPI is 90 for --export-dpi=DPI. Is that sufficient? [17:26] godbyk: only counts for rasterization. there is nothing to raster [17:26] 'kay. [17:27] if there was, we could easily need about 300 for lulu or such [17:28] agreed [17:29] this makefile has gotten really messy over time. [17:29] that's the nature of things [17:30] especially Makefiles [17:34] Hey, dutchie. How are you at Makefiles? [17:35] Looking through it, I'm thinking about replacing the Makefile with a shell script instead. [17:40] godbyk: shell? not haskell? [17:41] thorwil: I was considering FORTRAN for a bit. [17:51] well, not FORTRAN, but FORTH: http://vividpicture.com/aleks/atari/forth.jpg === ChrisWoollard_ is now known as ChrisWoollard [18:32] Hey, ChrisWoollard.. stable connection yet? :) [18:52] yes [18:52] it is ok now [18:53] I think there was a flakey server. My client tried another server after a couple of retries. Now it seems stable. [19:02] thorwil? [19:03] ChrisWoollard! [19:04] hello [19:04] did you see my previous message about the svgs? [19:04] some mention second edition [19:06] ChrisWoollard: i did not. all "Second Edition" strings should be on their own, hidden layers [19:07] when i looked. they were visible on some images and not others. [19:10] Ok. I see. on some images the layer has been left visible. [19:11] found one. next push will fix it [19:11] ok. [19:12] i didn't realise they were different layers. It i did, i could have fixed that myself. [19:14] that sould have been "If it did" [19:14] ChrisWoollard: i look on the bright side if people don't touch "my" SVGs ;) [19:15] I know what you mean. If people don't touch, they don't break. [19:16] thanks for the help :) [19:16] ChrisWoollard: thanks for caring! [19:17] godbyk: pushed to rev 54 to hide "Second Edition"s and to replace the globe icon with a better one [19:17] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/54 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 54 [19:18] 4 poles ... what have i been smoking? [19:19] no idea ;) [19:21] thanks for that. I wil create the pdf versions for files for the manual later. [19:23] ChrisWoollard: weren't the results of godbyk's attempt to generate the PDFs on the fly satisfying? [19:23] I don't think that works. [19:24] with lucid-e2 we had to do them manually. [19:24] maybe for the translations it works. [19:24] but the manual has two that it uses for fallback [19:25] if it cannot find other versions [19:25] ChrisWoollard: last state of today i know of was godbyk looking into it, if can avoid it this time [19:26] I will talk to him later to check where he got to. [19:27] There are no commits for it yet from him [19:42] evening jenkins [19:42] hey chris [19:49] yeah, I'm trying to fix the makefile.. or replace it with a shell script. [19:56] how long do you think that magic will take? [19:57] or is it voodoo [19:58] I probably won't get to it 'til later this evening. [19:58] You're welcome to work on it if you'd like. [19:58] how would a shell script be better? [19:59] oh no, my spooks iplayering has failed [19:59] dutchie: only in that Makefile keeps trying to grab the wrong target or fiddle with dependencies. (it's not really make's problems; most likely because I'm not the best at writing makefiles.) [20:23] what are you actually trying to achieve with the makefile? [20:45] ChrisWoollard: it should generate the title page PDF if it doesn't already exist or if it's older than the source svg. [20:45] there's code in there to do that. [20:45] but the makefile is whining about other little issues. [20:46] and my brain's not fully functional today. :) [23:00] That does sound really tricky. I think it is beyond me, esp. as i have never tried to write a makefile. [23:52] makefiles are really nothing more than a collection of commands grouped under keyword headers with conditions. [23:53] What I just wrote took more effort than creating a simple one. [23:53] Though, granted, the makefile for something like the manual's probably a lot more complex than those for small projects. [23:57] :)