[08:26] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:08] <ChrisWoollard> ping: throwil
[09:12] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: pong
[09:12] <ChrisWoollard> oooo, hello
[09:12] <ChrisWoollard> I noticed that you updated the titlepage images the other day
[09:12] <thorwil> hi. mised you by 20 minutes or so, yesterday
[09:13] <ChrisWoollard> I was at lunch and had to run awayd
[09:13] <ChrisWoollard> is titlepage/title_page_letter_template.svg the new image for standard titlepage? I noticed that the names have changed a little
[09:16] <ChrisWoollard> thorwil?
[09:19] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: being in letter format, it's for en_US
[09:20] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: and being a template, it shouldn't be used directly
[09:21] <thorwil> because the "10.10" part has to be replaced by the script that does the translations
[09:24] <ChrisWoollard> I was just wondering. I think I have to convert it to a pdf to get the manual to compile. That was what had to be done last time
[09:32] <thorwil> actually, i should create the en versions
[09:37] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[10:35] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard, godbyk: renamed the templates to be less wordy and added en and en_US versions (A4 and Letter)
[10:36] <thorwil> for Lucid, we had en_AU and en_GB, but i don't see the point in that
[11:06] <ChrisWoollard> I agree, I would have expected those to be handled by the translation teams. There is no point in a en_AU and en_GB especially if there is not difference in the language on the titlepage.
[11:09] <ChrisWoollard> speaking of english. My english in that sentence wasn't great. I should really think before writing
[14:28] <ChrisWoollard_> Just to clarify the title pages for 10.10
[14:29] <ChrisWoollard_> There appears to be a discrepancy between the svgs.
[14:29] <ChrisWoollard_> Some of the image have "Second Edition" written on them.
[14:29] <ChrisWoollard_> s/image/images
[14:33] <ChrisWoollard_> I also notice that on some of the images the 10.10 is written in small-caps and on others it isn't. Can you check and make sure everything is as you would expect?
[17:16] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil. Can you add PDFs of the default letter-size and A4-size title pages to the repository?
[17:16] <godbyk> thorwil: I'll update the latex code to point to the new filenames.
[17:18] <thorwil> godbyk: i can, but i thought we wanted to avoid such files that could be generated
[17:19] <godbyk> thorwil: typically we do. I think I disabled the autogeneration of the PDFs in the Makefile somewhere along the way because inkscape wasn't doing a very good job.
[17:19] <godbyk> thorwil: I can re-enable it and we can see how the results look.
[17:20] <thorwil> godbyk: yes, please. latest inkscape release should be fine
[17:21] <godbyk> thorwil: okay, I'll give it a shot.
[17:21] <godbyk> (sadly, this means I'll have to wait forever for inkscape to load -- it hates my large font collection)
[17:22] <godbyk> thorwil: do I need to use any other args besides --export-text-to-path?
[17:23] <godbyk> thorwil: oh, and just so I'm sure I understand, the title page SVGs are named titlepage-LANGCODE.svg, correct?
[17:23] <thorwil> godbyk: not if it defaults to expoert-area-is-page (as opposed to drawing)
[17:24] <godbyk> I think it defaults to export area = page, but I'll specify it just to be safe.
[17:25] <godbyk> The default DPI is 90 for --export-dpi=DPI.  Is that sufficient?
[17:26] <thorwil> godbyk: only counts for rasterization. there is nothing to raster
[17:26] <godbyk> 'kay.
[17:27] <thorwil> if there was, we could easily need about 300 for lulu or such
[17:28] <godbyk> agreed
[17:29] <godbyk> this makefile has gotten really messy over time.
[17:29] <thorwil> that's the nature of things
[17:30] <dutchie> especially Makefiles
[17:34] <godbyk> Hey, dutchie.  How are you at Makefiles? <evil grin>
[17:35] <godbyk> Looking through it, I'm thinking about replacing the Makefile with a shell script instead.
[17:40] <thorwil> godbyk: shell? not haskell?
[17:41] <godbyk> thorwil: I was considering FORTRAN for a bit.
[17:51] <thorwil> well, not FORTRAN, but FORTH: http://vividpicture.com/aleks/atari/forth.jpg
[18:32] <godbyk> Hey, ChrisWoollard.. stable connection yet? :)
[18:52] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[18:52] <ChrisWoollard> it is ok now
[18:53] <ChrisWoollard> I think there was a flakey server. My client tried another server after a couple of retries. Now it seems stable.
[19:02] <ChrisWoollard> thorwil?
[19:03] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard!
[19:04] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[19:04] <ChrisWoollard> did you see my previous message about the svgs?
[19:04] <ChrisWoollard> some mention second edition
[19:06] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: i did not. all "Second Edition" strings should be on their own, hidden layers
[19:07] <ChrisWoollard> when i looked. they were visible on some images and not others.
[19:10] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. I see. on some images the layer has been left visible.
[19:11] <thorwil> found one. next push will fix it
[19:11] <ChrisWoollard> ok.
[19:12] <ChrisWoollard> i didn't realise they were different layers. It i did, i could have fixed that myself.
[19:14] <ChrisWoollard> that sould have been "If it did"
[19:14] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: i look on the bright side if people don't touch "my" SVGs ;)
[19:15] <ChrisWoollard> I know what you mean. If people don't touch, they don't break.
[19:16] <ChrisWoollard> thanks for the help :)
[19:16] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: thanks for caring!
[19:17] <thorwil> godbyk: pushed to rev 54 to hide "Second Edition"s and to replace the globe icon with a better one
[19:17] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/54 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 54
[19:18] <thorwil> 4 poles ... what have i been smoking?
[19:19] <ChrisWoollard> no idea ;)
[19:21] <ChrisWoollard> thanks for that. I wil create the pdf versions for files for the manual later.
[19:23] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: weren't the results of godbyk's attempt to generate the PDFs on the fly satisfying?
[19:23] <ChrisWoollard> I don't think that works.
[19:24] <ChrisWoollard> with lucid-e2 we had to do them manually.
[19:24] <ChrisWoollard> maybe for the translations it works.
[19:24] <ChrisWoollard> but the manual has two that it uses for fallback
[19:25] <ChrisWoollard> if it cannot find other versions
[19:25] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: last state of today i know of was godbyk looking into it, if can avoid it this time
[19:26] <ChrisWoollard> I will talk to him later to check where he got to.
[19:27] <ChrisWoollard> There are no commits for it yet from him
[19:42] <ChrisWoollard> evening jenkins
[19:42] <jenkins> hey chris
[19:49] <godbyk> yeah, I'm trying to fix the makefile.. or replace it with a shell script.
[19:56] <ChrisWoollard> how long do you think that magic will take?
[19:57] <ChrisWoollard> or is it voodoo
[19:58] <godbyk> I probably won't get to it 'til later this evening.
[19:58] <godbyk> You're welcome to work on it if you'd like.
[19:58] <dutchie> how would a shell script be better?
[19:59] <dutchie> oh no, my spooks iplayering has failed
[19:59] <godbyk> dutchie: only in that Makefile keeps trying to grab the wrong target or fiddle with dependencies.  (it's not really make's problems; most likely because I'm not the best at writing makefiles.)
[20:23] <ChrisWoollard> what are you actually trying to achieve with the makefile?
[20:45] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: it should generate the title page PDF if it doesn't already exist or if it's older than the source svg.
[20:45] <godbyk> there's code in there to do that.
[20:45] <godbyk> but the makefile is whining about other little issues.
[20:46] <godbyk> and my brain's not fully functional today. :)
[23:00] <ChrisWoollard> That does sound really tricky. I think it is beyond me, esp. as i have never tried to write a makefile.
[23:52] <flan> makefiles are really nothing more than a collection of commands grouped under keyword headers with conditions.
[23:53] <flan> What I just wrote took more effort than creating a simple one.
[23:53] <flan> Though, granted, the makefile for something like the manual's probably a lot more complex than those for small projects.
[23:57] <ChrisWoollard> :)