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psypher246hey ubuntuone tesm is anyone there?08:55
aquariusduanedesign, cool post about interesting things to do with U1 :)09:37
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psypher246ping anyone home?10:09
ryepsypher246, yup10:12
psypher246rye: hey. i need to encrypt some data on my u1 folder, so i created a new encrypted folder using cryptkeepr (ecryptfs) and moved all the data withint u1 folder to that newly mounted encrypted folder.  as far as I can tell u1 has indexed the data but is not uploading10:14
psypher246tried killing and restarting, no change10:14
psypher246huge list in waiting content10:15
ryepsypher246, what's the u1sdtool --status ?10:15
psypher246State: QUEUE_MANAGER10:16
psypher246    connection: With User With Network10:16
psypher246    description: processing queues10:16
psypher246    is_connected: True10:16
psypher246    is_error: False10:16
psypher246    is_online: True10:16
psypher246    queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH10:16
psypher246u1sdtool  --waiting-metadata10:16
psypher246Oops, an error ocurred:10:16
psypher246Traceback (most recent call last):10:16
psypher246Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.UnicodeEncodeError: Traceback (most recent call last):10:16
psypher246  File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/dbus/service.py", line 702, in _message_cb10:16
psypher246    retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)10:16
psypher246  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/dbus_interface.py", line 204, in waiting_metadata10:17
psypher246    waiting_metadata.append(str(cmd))10:17
psypher246  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/action_queue.py", line 1442, in __str__10:17
psypher246    for attr in str_attrs]10:17
psypher246UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xbb' in position 10: ordinal not in range(128)10:17
ryepsypher246, i suspect this is lucid, right? waiting metadata was not encoding characters properly... Could you please pastebin your syncdaemon.log (~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log). Since ecryptfs encrypts file names it should be ok10:21
psypher246http://paste.ubuntu.com/502027/10:24
psypher246yes lucid10:24
psypher246latest updates etc10:24
duanedesignaquarius: thank you. :)10:25
duanedesignoh, and morning all10:25
aquariusduanedesign, I hope to put together a lot more of those sorts of cool ideas :)10:26
ryepsypher246, waiting until we know the real value of %r a44de60d-5d05-4e69-81a5-b5c46374b73f - hmm10:27
ryepsypher246, it is actually not uploading anythin10:27
ryefacundobatista, ping ^10:27
duanedesignaquarius: that would be great. I have since had a couple of suggestions. I hope to try them out soon10:28
aquariusduanedesign, let's talk about this over a beer at UDS. I have a number of ideas :)10:29
duanedesign\o/10:29
psypher246rye: yeah doesn't look like it, no upload traffic coming from any python processes10:30
* rye relogins 10:30
duanedesignaquarius: sounds good. I have also been meaning to do some screencasts of U1...That way I am killing two birds with one stone, lol. Contributing to two projects I participate in at once10:31
psypher246hmm where did rye go?10:42
facundobatistarmcbride, psypher246: I see the client running ok11:18
psypher246facundobatista: yet it's not uploading11:21
facundobatistapsypher246, in your logs, I mean11:22
facundobatistapsypher246, it's not uploading data because it's busy creating files11:22
psypher246then what does the errors that rye refer to?11:22
psypher246how logn does that have to take?11:22
psypher246been at least an hour or 211:22
facundobatistapsypher246, it depends of how many files you created11:22
psypher246but there is no disk acces happening11:23
facundobatistapsypher246, could you please go to your log directory and do: "grep MARK syncdaemon.*" and pastebin the results?11:24
psypher246http://paste.ubuntu.com/502055/11:27
facundobatistapsypher246, see:11:32
facundobatista...12:22:16,322 ... queues: metadata: 32816; content: 24567; ...11:32
facundobatista...12:24:16,322 ... queues: metadata: 32754; content: 24567; ...11:32
facundobatista...12:26:16,322 ... queues: metadata: 32712; content: 24567; ...11:32
facundobatista(from your last pastebin)11:32
facundobatistapsypher246, there you can see that the metadata queue is going down11:32
psypher246ok11:33
facundobatistapsypher246, it seems you put to work tens of thousands of files: it will not be instantaneous11:33
psypher246so what is it busye doing?11:33
psypher246and taking so long at it?11:33
facundobatistapsypher246, from your other pastebin, it seems they are all MakeFiles: creating the files in the server11:33
facundobatistapsypher246, from the numbers I just pasted, in average it's taken 2.8 secs per operation, which is not that much11:34
facundobatistapsypher246, we have planned a speed improvement when dealing with tens of thousands of files, we're not there yet11:35
psypher246ok11:35
facundobatistarye, ^11:35
psypher246is there no easier way a user can see what is happening11:35
psypher246like just clicking on ubuntu one and having stats like this displayed11:36
facundobatistapsypher246, there is this open source project that will show the info, it's called Magicicada11:36
psypher246it will make a big diffrence to the user experiencing just seeing progrssion stats11:36
facundobatistapsypher246, it's in Universe in Maverick, but in Lucid you can install it from the PPA: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:chicharreros/ppa11:36
ryefacundobatista, i lost a bit of the conversation due to figuring out why my network broke but the last time i saw the pasted log the syncdaemon was waiting on something11:37
facundobatistarye, no, it was not, I can help you to understand that part of the logs if you want11:37
psypher246rye 11:2711:37
psypher246psypher246, waiting until we know the real value of %r a44de60d-5d05-4e69-81a5-b5c46374b73f - hmm11:37
psypher246psypher246, it is actually not uploading anythin11:37
facundobatistarye, nevertheless, never forget for the "grep MARK" helper, it will show you the queues very easily11:37
rye24 thousands of nodes?11:38
ryefacundobatista, do we have any ready reference numbers for how long some operation will take... we keep saying that "this will take a while" but not defining that "while"11:39
facundobatistarye, 32 thousands of metadata operations, 24 thousands of content operations, yes11:39
facundobatistarye, we're about 1-3 seconds per operation, when all is ok, including all roundtrips (say, viewing it from the client POV)11:40
facundobatistarye, of course, I'm not including uploads and downloads in that number, as they depend of the file size11:40
duanedesignbusy morning in here :)11:42
ryefacundobatista, yes, so 24000 seconds (best weather conditions) for metadata queue is nearly 7 hours. After that uploads will start to happen11:44
facundobatistarye, yeap11:44
ryefacundobatista, then we add hdd chewing during metadata loading at startup11:45
facundobatistarye, how "then"?11:45
ryefacundobatista, on next restart :)11:45
facundobatistarye, startup normally comes before11:45
facundobatistarye, ah, yes11:45
facundobatistarye, we have improvement plans on all these fronts11:46
ryefacundobatista, yes, but to have these numbers in order not to give any false hopes11:46
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psypher246facundobatista: how do you exatly tell that the queue is going down, looking at the output of  grep MARK syncdaemon.* there seems to be no change13:06
duanedesignpsypher246: i like to use the command:   u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l13:08
psypher246still the same error i got this morning13:08
psypher246u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l13:08
psypher246Traceback (most recent call last):13:08
psypher246Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.UnicodeEncodeError: Traceback (most recent call last):13:08
psypher246  File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/dbus/service.py", line 702, in _message_cb13:08
facundobatistapsypher246, but we saw the number going down in the last pastebin you passed13:08
psypher246    retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)13:08
psypher246  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/dbus_interface.py", line 204, in waiting_metadata13:08
psypher246    waiting_metadata.append(str(cmd))13:08
psypher246  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/action_queue.py", line 1442, in __str__13:08
psypher246    for attr in str_attrs]13:08
psypher246UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xbb' in position 10: ordinal not in range(128)13:09
psypher246but i'm told it's processing, so i dunno13:09
psypher246facundobatista: not uqite sure how you read that number, which number is it precisley and what does the number represent13:09
facundobatista<facundobatista> ...12:22:16,322 ... queues: metadata: 32816; content: 24567; ...13:09
facundobatista<facundobatista> ...12:24:16,322 ... queues: metadata: 32754; content: 24567; ...13:09
facundobatista<facundobatista> ...12:26:16,322 ... queues: metadata: 32712; content: 24567; ...13:09
facundobatistapsypher246, ^ "queues" are the operation queues13:09
facundobatistapsypher246, you have meta operations, and content operations, the number besides each is the quantity of operations in the queue13:10
facundobatistapsypher246, the MARK log line has more data in it, search for that structure13:10
psypher246ok now suddenly it changed13:12
psypher246for the last 15 minutes the log stayd the same13:12
psypher246so it's not updating line by line?13:12
psypher246ok why do i get that error above when doing u1sdtool --waiting-metadata?13:12
facundobatistapsypher246, it's not updating line by line, the MARK is logged every 2 minutes13:13
facundobatistapsypher246, the u1sdtool error is something we fixed in more recent versions of the client13:14
psypher246so i have to be running mavrick?13:14
duanedesign+++/1813:15
duanedesignugh13:15
psypher246mark is not updating every 2 mins13:15
psypher246:2010-09-28 14:10:16,322 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MAR13:15
psypher246thats the last in the log13:15
facundobatistapsypher246, note that log rotates13:15
psypher246i see it happens every 2 mins13:15
psypher246but the log ye not updated every 2 mins13:15
facundobatistapsypher246, how can you see it happen if the log is not updated?13:16
psypher246just saying looking at the ones above, something is logged every 2 mins, just not sent to the log, log updates periodically as a batch13:17
psypher246so a bit confusing when you trying to monitor a queue going down13:17
psypher246i'm trying to understand how this happens but yeah, it's a bit confusing13:17
facundobatistapsypher246, I don't understand this part of what you said "something is logged every 2 mins, just not sent to the log"13:21
psypher2462010-09-28 14:08:16,322 - ubuntuone.SyncDaem13:22
psypher2462010-09-28 14:10:16,322 - ubuntuone13:22
psypher246but if i run  grep MARK syncdaemon.*13:22
psypher246that same log comes up13:22
psypher246last entry 14.1013:23
psypher246so in the log, something is logged every 2 mins13:23
psypher246but the whole log is only updated as a batch13:23
psypher246log is updated now with: 2010-09-28 14:20:16,322 - u13:24
psypher246but it will take longer than 2 mins to log the next occurrence13:24
psypher246, then after 10 or so minutes the log file is updated with several occurences which happned evey 2 minutes13:24
psypher246so does that log say there is still 30197 files to create metadata for?13:25
psypher246and it does about 29-30 every 2 minutes13:26
facundobatistapsypher246, metadata operations, could be file creation, file deletion, moves, etc... it depends on what you did with your files, but basically everything except data transfer13:26
psypher246am i right that it will then take 33 hours to process 30000 transactions?13:32
facundobatistapsypher246, I calculated 25hs, yeap13:36
psypher246see now it's been 15 minutes now yet the last transaction logged is 7:2010-09-28 14:20:16,313:36
psypher246wow 25 hours13:36
czajkowskibug #10902314:10
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czajkowskisorry nm14:11
JanChm, Rhythmbox gives me the following link for a song I'm playing: https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/4012239/0 which shows the front of teh correct album but says "This song is not available to buy from the Ubuntu One Music Store in your country. Sorry!" but it *is* available when I look in the store itself in Rhythmbox?14:14
felimwhiteleyrye: hey was just talking to aquarius, told me to give you a shout regard U1 not working on initial setup14:18
felimwhiteleyie. following install instructions on the site get to step 8 and there is no add my computer button14:19
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felimwhiteleyregards the FAQ where it says it's not opening anything fast enough it's perfect, click on manage my account in the U1 client and straight away new tab opens wiht my account details14:22
felimwhiteleyah ok on running the u1sdtool I get an error: "ubuntuone-login(14714): Operation not permitted"14:24
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ryefelimwhiteley, wait, does xdg-open http://www.ubuntu.com work for you?14:26
felimwhiteleyrye: yeah14:26
felimwhiteleyoh weird14:27
felimwhiteleya bunch of other tabs has suddenly appeared, one for adding the computer, the other saying something has gone wrong then the other two were the instructions I was reading and initial google search tab I had open14:28
ryefelimwhiteley, operation not permitted - where do you see the error when you run u1sdtool ?14:28
ryeo_O14:28
felimwhiteleyrye: yes14:28
felimwhiteleyoh and one more tab, the ubuntu.com homepage!14:28
felimwhiteleyclearly being the one we wanted..14:28
felimwhiteleyrye: presume I'll add my machine or before I do you want me to close all apps and try again see if it fails again?14:29
felimwhiteleyI've seen a couple of the bugs have trouble recreating errors..14:30
ryefelimwhiteley, the thing is that id did open the tab14:30
felimwhiteleyif I can preserve the weirdness for you I will14:30
ryefelimwhiteley, which is weird, it should either break completely or work properly, in this case we have mixed results14:31
felimwhiteleywell I'm not sure where it was displaying..14:31
ryefelimwhiteley, so, let me recollect all that - you opened ubuntuone-preferences, nothing opened in your browser, you went forward and tried u1sdtool but that did not give anything interesting too we ran xdg-open and the tab opened14:32
felimwhiteleyno ubuntuone preferances when run from the me menu open my account in the browser immediatly14:33
felimwhiteleyit's step 8 where I had no add this machine button, so yes then I did the u1sdtool stuff and it happened as you wrote there14:33
ryefelimwhiteley, where do you see 'Operation not permitted' message?14:34
felimwhiteleythat was during the sd1tool command from the FAQ page where it goes on about the add computer button being missing14:35
felimwhiteleysd1tool -q; etc14:36
ryefelimwhiteley, could you please pastebin the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log ? to !paste14:39
rye!paste14:39
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felimwhiteleysure14:40
felimwhiteleyrye: eh it's 2 lines long!?14:41
ryefelimwhiteley, is there something about Operation not permitted?14:42
felimwhiteleyno just startup message14:42
felimwhiteleylogin manager v 1.2.214:42
felimwhiteleystill want it?14:43
ryefelimwhiteley, no, thanks, i have these lines, they are not that interesting... Thinking....14:43
felimwhiteleyrye: I figured :)14:43
ryefelimwhiteley, your machine is not authorized now, right? You have not added it using that tab that magically opened, is that correct?14:45
felimwhiteleyrye: I didn't add it in case you wanted it to still be in unauth state14:47
ryefelimwhiteley, is there anything xdg-open running now in the processes?14:48
felimwhiteleyno14:48
felimwhiteleyoh hang on..14:49
felimwhiteleyI assume it would show up in a grep xdg-open then.. jsut tried with xdg and there is a lot but that just looks like path being caught14:49
felimwhiteleyrye: put it this way "ps ax | grep xdg-open" shows nothing14:50
ryefelimwhiteley, ok, is there anything interesting in the last lines of ~/.xsession-errors - pastebining that may not be a good idea since all sort of debug info ends up there14:51
felimwhiteleyrye: can't find tomboy on dbus.. which is fine it's not running14:52
felimwhiteleycouple of aplication open closed for ubuntuone-preferences14:53
ryefelimwhiteley, i guess it is too late to try debugging that. Unfortunately this happens only once. Fortunately, in Maverick the whole process is changed completely and no browsers will be involved15:03
felimwhiteleyrye: will I give it a restart see can it happen again?15:04
ryefelimwhiteley, before you do, could you please patch the sources a little bit?15:04
felimwhiteleyrye: sure15:05
ryefelimwhiteley, i.e. /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/logger.py - change LOG_LEVEL line to read LOG_LEVEL = logging.INFO15:05
ryefelimwhiteley, erm15:06
felimwhiteleyrye: np15:06
ryefelimwhiteley, LOG_LEVEL = logging.DEBUG15:06
felimwhiteley:)15:06
felimwhiteleyrye: do I need to do anything process wise for it to take effect?15:08
ryefelimwhiteley, wait, i am trying to add tracing to xdg-open15:08
felimwhiteleyrye: oh sure no prob15:08
ryefelimwhiteley, ... and add "set -x" right below a long disclaimer in /usr/bin/xdg-open15:11
ryefelimwhiteley, should look like this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/502136/15:13
felimwhiteleydone15:14
ryefelimwhiteley, and now you can try running the same steps, btw, could you please also check whether you have ubuntuone-login process running?15:18
felimwhiteleyrye: 2 processes it seems15:20
ryefelimwhiteley, o_O15:20
ryefelimwhiteley, could you please paste the entries?15:21
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felimwhiteleyah15:21
felimwhiteleyone is the pid of the one that complained in the command line faq stuff15:21
felimwhiteleyyou want full output of ps? ps axf?15:21
ryefelimwhiteley, ps auxw | grep [u]buntuone-login15:25
felimwhiteleyargh... you won't believe this one... it's other user logged into system in background... no wonder it couldn't quit it..15:30
felimwhiteleyI never thought a 2nd account was running on the [insert swear word] laptop15:30
felimwhiteleyrye: I'll kick that account out and retest? or should it still function anyway?15:31
ryeo_O15:32
ryefelimwhiteley, ah, yes15:32
felimwhiteleyso log that user out right?15:32
felimwhiteleythen your question about ubuntuone-login, it should or shouldn't be running for the test15:33
felimwhiteleyok only have the one process for ubuntuone-login running now..15:34
felimwhiteleyand I've closed all previous browser tabs and shutdown firefox, I should run me menu ubuntuone client and follow steps 1-10?15:35
ryefelimwhiteley, you should not have ubuntuone-login process running at all, since it is usually the case with new installations15:48
felimwhiteleyrye: just kill it I presuem then15:51
ryefelimwhiteley, yup15:51
felimwhiteleyrye: sorry about delay was caught up in call there, I've killed login prcess, closed FF, open meMenu and clicked manage accoutn as all set to unknonw16:13
felimwhiteleyopened my accoutnpage automatically in Firefox (FF has my password precached so logged in no problem)16:14
ryefelimwhiteley, well, this happens every time we try to debug it, it starts working16:14
felimwhiteleyrye: where should the Add Machine button be?16:14
felimwhiteleyah but I got this far before..16:15
felimwhiteleyunless I'm not reading the instructions correctly I can't see how to add a machien16:15
ryefelimwhiteley, basically it should look like http://ubuntuone.com/p/DFm/16:15
felimwhiteleyrye: well my account page in ubuntu1 prefs never changes then16:17
felimwhiteleyI'm still following the vid..16:17
felimwhiteleyI never get the add this machine then16:18
felimwhiteleysame bug16:18
felimwhiteleywhen I click manage accounts it takes me to the main "Account" tab in ubuntu one, all me details filled in correctly16:18
felimwhiteleyI already had an account...16:19
felimwhiteleyseems we recreated the bug... no?16:19
ryefelimwhiteley, when you open ubuntuone-preferences application it should trigger a new tab to be opened in the browser or a new browser window - did that happen?16:20
felimwhiteleyyes16:20
felimwhiteleybrings me to the accoutn page16:20
felimwhiteley"Your accoutn": with name, email, change password all ok, your plans with 0 x 2GB, view machines set up phone, then tickbox to get email and then an ask about account link16:21
felimwhiteleyclick on "your machines" and I get a thing telling me havn't added any computers and a link to the installation details page16:22
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felimwhiteleywhere I go step 1, skip to step 8 as it works for me but then clearly I don't get the right page on login as all I get is the Accoutns page.. ?!16:23
felimwhiteleyby which I mean the "Your Account" page..16:23
felimwhiteleyrye: had an idea, do you want to use gitso or something to log into this machine?16:24
felimwhiteleyI might be describing stuff poorly..16:24
ryefelimwhiteley, the browser window should be opened automatically, without the need of clicking anything16:29
felimwhiteleyI open U1Prefs Name, email etc is Unknown, I click manage accoutns and yes it open FF, and FF auto logs me into my U1 account page.. that's all that happens16:30
felimwhiteleyI presume FF doesn't open till the manage account is clicked?16:30
felimwhiteleyrye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/502169/16:37
felimwhiteleygot some info in there finally16:37
ryefelimwhiteley, you may want to killall ubuntuone-login now, ubuntuone-login has switched to the web server mode and waits for the token to be supplied to it from the browser16:39
felimwhiteleyrye: I did kill it last time as well.. re-kill and try again?16:40
felimwhiteleyhmm ok well in U1Prefs my account stuff still reads as unknown, I wen to the Devices pane and clicked connect and all of a sudden new tab in FF opened up and asking to add the machine16:41
felimwhiteleyrye: want me to add it?16:43
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ryefelimwhiteley, this behaviour is so weird i can't really understand where to poke now. xdg-open calls gnome-open under gnome and it launches the browser, well, asks the browser to open the page. There is no 'deferred' execution....16:44
ryefelimwhiteley, could you please re-post oauth-login.log ?16:45
felimwhiteleyrye: it's number 50217516:47
ryefelimwhiteley, nothing looks weird, the xdg-open process is launched so it should be working16:54
ryebut the fact that it requires a second xdg-open to open the first tab seems weird16:54
ryethere is no ipc between xdg-opens :)16:55
ryefelimwhiteley, hm, could you please retry the steps and if ubuntuone-preferences do not trigger browser opening then see whether there is a hanging xdg-open process anywhere?16:59
felimwhiteleyso to clarify, kill any ubuntuone-login processes, close all apps,open ubuntu prefs and FF should automatically open?17:16
czajkowskifelimwhiteley: see wasn't this better than giving out it wasnt working :)17:17
felimwhiteleyczajkowski: it's still not working and it's eaten hours of rye and myself day ;) I'd hardly call that "better"17:21
ryefelimwhiteley, yes, that's the intention17:22
ryefelimwhiteley, sorry for not replying earlier  - please mention my nick so i can see immediately that there is something waiting for my response17:22
* rye is hacking on something Ubuntu One-related17:23
felimwhiteleyrye: np; Right killed ubuntuone-login... omg it's opened browser this time! It took a good while must be said17:24
czajkowskifelimwhiteley: well it is better, it may get resolved, which is better than it not working17:25
ryeEverybody say thanks to nessita for  implementing a stable solution for Maverick that does not involve any browser magic! :)17:26
felimwhiteleyrye: for sure.. thanks nessita!17:26
ryeand we now know that running xdg-open from dbus-autostarted service may not work at all w/o being able to track it down in the virtual machine...17:27
nessitahey! it's my job!17:28
nessitathank you for choosing Ubuntu :-)17:28
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ryeduanedesign, here?17:54
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rtrumbullhmm. quiet channel.21:34
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