[09:21] <ronoc> Cimi, ping
[11:17] <meebey> kenvandine: not for long? :)
[11:40] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, ping
[11:40] <Cimi> hi ronoc_narruc
[11:41] <ronoc_narruc> hey
[11:42] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, I saw your tweet
[11:42] <Cimi> ronoc_narruc: I have pushed a branch
[11:42] <Cimi> but doesn't work correctly
[11:43] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, :(
[11:43] <ronoc_narruc> I'll take a look
[11:43] <Cimi> does the exposè event work?
[11:43] <ronoc_narruc> yes
[11:43] <ronoc_narruc> definitely
[11:43] <Cimi> I've tried painting with red
[11:43] <Cimi> but nothing is shown
[11:44] <ronoc_narruc> right it must be the call at the end of the init method to make to make the bg invisible
[11:44] <Cimi> you could try to fix my branch btw
[11:44] <Cimi> it does draw the buttons in the right place
[11:45] <Cimi> but they are drawn just when you press a button
[11:45] <Cimi> something might be wrong somewhere
[11:46] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, cool I'll take a look in a bit, just chatting with mpt at the mo, thx for the help
[12:28] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, did you push those changes
[12:28] <ronoc_narruc> just pulled and got nothing  ?
[12:30] <Cimi> ronoc_narruc: to a different branch
[12:31] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, where is it  ??
[12:31] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/indicator-sound/background-gradient-bug-cimi
[12:31] <ronoc_narruc> thx
[12:33] <ronoc_narruc> Cimi, doesn't compile -> play-button.c:983: error: ‘X’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:34] <Cimi> uncomment the define
[12:34] <Cimi> in the beginning
[12:34] <ronoc_narruc> right
[16:09] <Cimi> ronoc: did you try?
[16:10] <ronoc> Cimi, hey, I did yes, no joy, njpatel recommended that I try using the gtkmenuitem instead of the eventbox
[16:10] <ronoc> Cimi, will hopefully have time in the morning, right now I'm working on some spec stuff
[16:14] <sense> good afternoon
[16:21] <sense> jcastro, tedg: Is someone working on bug #637202? It has a lot of duplicates, and more keep trickling in.
[16:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 637202 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "indicator-application-service crashed on logon (affected: 186, heat: 953)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637202
[16:21] <sense> Maybe as much as 40 duplicates.
[16:34] <jcastro> sense: I just got a ton of bugmail about that this morning
[16:34] <sense> It's huge
[16:34] <sense> and the stacktraces aren't very informative
[16:34] <jcastro> kenvandine: is ted around today?
[16:35] <kenvandine> i think he should be
[16:35] <kenvandine> he was this morning
[16:40] <seb128> it's likely that this crash is on logout
[16:40] <seb128> it will go quiet when we turn apport off
[16:40] <seb128> users just see it on the next login
[16:56] <Cimi> njpatel: there?
[17:01] <Cimi> davidbarth seb128 if you have some design-related bugs from the dx team I have some time to work on before
[17:01] <Cimi> friday
[17:06] <Cimi> chaotic: why those sshots?
[17:06] <ronoc> Cimi, how about my background bug
[17:07] <Cimi> ronoc: I didn't play with menuitems yet
[17:07] <ronoc> Cimi, apparently if you use a gktmenuitem directly and remove the use of the gtkeventbox and the parent gtkmenuitem
[17:07] <ronoc> it may work
[17:07] <ronoc> i was going to start on it now
[17:07] <ronoc> but there are plenty of other things I could be doing
[17:08] <ronoc> anyway I'm terrible at UI stuff
[17:08] <Cimi> ok
[17:08] <Cimi> will try
[17:08] <ronoc> if you are stuck for things to do :)
[17:08] <ronoc> Cimi, ^
[17:09] <Cimi> no worries, I have just 1 day of contract left :D
[17:09] <Cimi> trying to be helpful
[17:11] <njpatel> Cimi, hey
[17:13] <Cimi> njpatel: HI
[17:13] <Cimi> ops, caps lock :)
[17:13] <Cimi> njpatel: I was wondering about speed issues and look: for example... why we need blur and gradient on left launcher?
[17:16] <njpatel> Cimi, I doubt that is what is causing speed issues (if I'm understanding you correctly)
[17:17] <njpatel> Cimi, we're finding issues in the vala stuff (some wayward reference holding) which is causing leaks, and that would directly effect performance on intel
[17:18] <chaotic> Cimi: nosey
[17:19] <Cimi> njpatel: I see slowness hovering icons
[17:19] <Cimi> I mean, they could be faster without blur
[17:19] <Cimi> and I don't think the horizontal white gradient on tooltips is that nice
[17:20] <njpatel> Cimi, sure,  but that is the design
[17:20] <njpatel> Cimi, it's something we can fix for natty, but to change the design now in unity would get me the wrath of the desktop team
[17:21] <Cimi> ahaha true
[17:21] <Cimi> I didn't say I want that in maverick
[17:21] <Cimi> I was just wondering about speed and design decisions
[17:22] <njpatel> right, so speed of effects is something we'll get better at for natty, the look is something chaotic would decide
[17:23] <chaotic> njpatel: the gradient is not quite as intended to be honest
[17:23] <njpatel> Cimi, to be fair, there was an update to the QL look very late in the cycle that we couldn't implement. They looked very nice
[17:23] <Cimi> sshot?
[17:23] <njpatel> don't have one on hand, it's on one of the bugs chaotic would know
[17:24] <njpatel> chaotic, sure, but that needs to the tweaked over a few times I think, as values from the mockups don't translate well over to gl/netbook-screens
[17:24] <chaotic> cimi: have uploaded
[17:25] <Cimi> nicer
[17:25] <Cimi> I could try implementing them if you want
[17:27] <chaotic> Cimi: :)
[17:27] <Cimi> chaotic: even though
[17:27] <Cimi> chaotic: :P
[17:28] <Cimi> chaotic: I still don't know why we are using black desaturated tooltips in light themes
[17:28] <chaotic> I think we need to move the highlight proportional to the QL depth so oyu don't see much of it on a single line tooltip
[17:28] <Cimi> chaotic: imho they are a bit out of place with the rest of the design
[17:28] <Cimi> chaotic: I am talking about both unity and light-themes
[17:29] <chaotic> they reflect the materials of the dash and some other things you haven't even seen yet
[17:29] <Cimi> so, dropbox them :)
[17:32] <chaotic> Cimi: all in good time
[17:32] <Cimi> chaotic: ahah ok boss
[17:37] <chaotic> Cimi: I might look at those materials for panels actually in the future
[17:41] <chaotic> Cimi: in answer to: I still don't know why we are using black desaturated tooltips in light themes - ideally I want to get the white text to look like it is lit from behind, out of the dark background
[17:42] <chaotic> Cimi: Mark wants a high contrast version of the theme - we need to research and start playing
[17:45] <Cimi> chaotic: "high contrast"
[17:45] <chaotic> ?
[17:45] <Cimi> chaotic: what do you mean, something like High Contrast theme or just increasing contrast?
[17:46] <chaotic> perhaps considering both
[17:46] <chaotic> and looking into colour blindness, etc...
[17:46] <Cimi> color blindness we are ok
[17:54] <sense> Indeed, I haven't heard complaints from my father yet, and he is slightly colour-blind. :)
[17:59] <chaotic> hmmm, I might blog to get a sense if anyone does have problems
[17:59] <chaotic> ha
[18:02] <Cimi> chaotic: color blindness should be between green and red
[18:02] <Cimi> if we have only one tone (red) it will be ok