[00:00] JontheEchidna: bzr branch lp:casper if you want to do the change [00:00] kk [00:00] see casper/scripts/casper-bottom [00:01] shtylman_: is it corrected the bug about dev tools? if so I can close the bug [00:01] lex79: I was able to install qt4-dev-tools :) [00:01] and get rid of this one [00:01] ok thanks [00:01] 34disable_kde_services:rm -f /root/usr/share/kde4/services/kded/notificationhelper.desktop [00:01] ok [00:08] whee, pushed [00:11] JontheEchidna: erk I didn't mean to remove the whole of scripts/casper-bottom/34disable_kde_services [00:11] just that one line [00:11] oh [00:14] hmm, I can't find notificationhelper in there [00:14] well, there's stuff in there that needs cleaned up anyways (susefreespacenotifier -> freespacenotifier, remove update-notifier-kde.desktop entry) [00:15] JontheEchidna: looking at debian/changelog this is the wrong branch [00:15] I think you want lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/casper/maverick [00:15] I'll just revert it all then [00:16] how confusing [00:16] how cyclical [00:24] lex79: I get that bug with the General Font here running a live CD [00:24] no good then [00:27] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/6xMyKc9s [00:27] I feel I should ask, after almost deleting the whole 34disable_kde_services ;-) [00:30] debfx: Commented. [00:35] Is the pending kdebase-workspace upload intended for RC or after? [00:35] JontheEchidna: ^^^ [00:35] hmm, I didn't have any intentions either way when I uploaded... [00:35] JontheEchidna: looks good [00:36] ScottK: well, it's been around since lucid so I guess a few more days won't hurt [00:36] OK. [00:36] * ScottK waves to Riddell. [00:36] How's today gone? [00:36] ScottK: good. amazing how slow it is to build images though [00:37] no big problems [00:37] Glad to hear it's been good. [00:38] well no big problems besides gtk destroying the whole gnome stack, but that's not a concern for this channel :) [00:38] wait what how? [00:39] Riddell: I'd blame people doing fire and forget uploads and not following up on how they go. [00:40] maco: Most of it fell over on other than i386 due to archive skew and no one retried it. [00:40] maco: gtk had archive skew issues, as did glib, libgnome and libsomethingelsegnomey, it's sorted now [00:41] (It's not a coincidence that all the G stuff that affects us was retried and built). [00:41] libsomethingelsegnomey? thats not one i remember working with :P [00:41] just one of their various "ooh we have some widgets and nowhere to put them, let's make a new library" libraries [00:42] now that you mention it....that /does/ sound like gnome libs... [00:42] we are the best [00:42] :P [00:42] true, true [00:42] g_something_else_gnomey_cast_double_to_long_long_by_way_of_int() [00:42] lol [00:42] GAHH [00:43] and that is EXACTLY how they name their functions too! [00:43] JontheEchidna: have you been poking at the enemy code? [00:43] we're in proper flame mode tonight, I blame apachelogger's influence :) [00:43] :P [00:45] heh 61 char function name [00:46] g_something_else_gnomey_sizeof_g_something_else_gnomey_function_descriptor() [00:46] it's too easy :P [00:47] now dont you dare comment that code [00:47] I have to stop laughing, I'll wake up my flatmate [00:47] JontheEchidna: so I can put in progress this bug 650621 ? [00:47] Launchpad bug 650621 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "No notification about restricted codec availability on live cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650621 [00:48] lex79: yes please. (it can also be bumped over to casper) [00:48] we are amazing [00:54] heh akk adds to our gnome-teasing: [00:54] Though I might add g_random_word_something_else_gnomey_cast_double_to_long_long_by_way_of_int() [00:54] (thinking of libraries like pango and ... there's another one I always used to confuse with pango but now can't remember) [01:11] nhandler: Would you please go slap whoever thought it would be a great idea to spam every Ubuntu member (some of us multiple times) about the A-O RMB position via Launchpad. [01:36] ScottK: Yeah, I'll talk to him about that ;) [01:58] nhandler: Thanks. === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [05:28] neat: http://erkie.github.com/ [05:28] http://imgur.com/jaKiB [09:56] lex79: knh should be turned off for live cd [09:56] along with most other kded modules [09:56] lex79: is that a problem? [09:56] oh noes! [09:56] I missed a g function name flame [09:56] meh :( [09:57] * apachelogger has a good one for next time :D [09:59] * apachelogger is back in graz \\o/ [10:07] did you jog up the staircase yet? [10:17] no, I shall do so tomorrow ;) [12:08] JontheEchidna: pling! [12:09] plong [12:09] I've fixed the lock problem! [12:09] JontheEchidna: nice JS link :) [12:09] smarter: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/qapt-1-0-3-hotfix-release/ [12:10] oh :p [12:10] :P [12:10] check/do _system->Lock, right? [12:10] claydoh: how's the release page? [12:10] as it was, the only thing being locked was the archives directory [12:11] It's all insane [12:11] there's three damn lock files [12:11] /var/lib/dpkg/lock being the one that's always used, so I don't see the point in the others [12:12] more locks are always good [12:12] yep, but to access files with apt-pkg you have to do a string lookup [12:12] which would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that there's no convention, so you get inconsistencies [12:13] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReports is that all there is? :O [12:13] as a bonus I made the lock/unlcok functions visible to applications via the worker [12:13] JontheEchidna, smarter: what do you expect of a good video player? [12:13] apachelogger: yes:( I sent an e-mail to kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users, bot nothing:( [12:14] apachelogger: don't let the screensaver kick in! [12:14] ulysses: maybe add general bugfixing for upcoming 10.10? [12:14] apachelogger: do it! [12:14] smarter: is that all there is? :O [12:14] dragon doesn't, I hate it for that [12:14] apachelogger: im going in for a UI rewrite... ill follow ktorrents example [12:15] apachelogger: we can add QApt 1.0.3 also as development [12:15] apachelogger: but open the video where it was left off [12:15] agateau: is it the indicator plasmoid that messes up my systray's extended item list thing menu? [12:15] ulysses: new application focused KPackageKit [12:15] shadeslayer: do nt follow ktorrent [12:15] why? :D [12:15] I had a quick touch with its code [12:15] apachelogger: screenshot? [12:15] it is like rekonq [12:15] just overengineered [12:16] horrible [12:16] not codewise.. but UI wise [12:16] I also do not find the UI terribly awesome :P [12:16] but if you think it suites your usecase... [12:16] hmm... [12:16] Riddell: I'll do after the lesson [12:16] apachelogger: any UI that you think looks awesome for zsync download manager? [12:17] agateau: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot62.png [12:17] shadeslayer: well, what would you be using from ktorrent? [12:17] a list view? [12:17] apachelogger: the list view of ktorrent [12:18] yus [12:18] I would use QML :P [12:18] also, like KGet does it [12:18] but that is another story [12:18] apachelogger: weird, I have never seen that before [12:18] * shadeslayer needs to learn QML as well [12:19] agateau: I think I even saw a bug report about it... [12:19] apachelogger: i have that sometimes as well [12:19] ( the overlapping text ) [12:19] agateau: ^ [12:20] one sec http://imgur.com/wIq4a [12:20] agateau: bug 632419 [12:20] Launchpad bug 632419 in plasma-widget-indicatordisplay (Ubuntu) "Hiden items in systray are not well arranged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632419 [12:21] apachelogger: ok, I'll have a look at it [12:21] shadeslayer: is your plasma locked? [12:22] apachelogger: no [12:22] so it is probably not related to that :/ [12:22] very weird issue doubtlessly [12:23] i haz it with locked plasma as well [12:23] apachelogger: I can't reproduce it on either of my two machines, what items do you have in the tray? [12:24] apachelogger: its like.. it only affects Message Indicator entry 0_o [12:24] agateau: ^ [12:24] confirm [12:25] shadeslayer: does not really help me to reproduce it [12:25] agateau: the ones you see :P [12:25] message-indicator [12:25] klipper [12:25] agateau: well i have the usual stuff and quassel in it.... thats the only app extra in systray [12:25] kxkbd [12:25] the device notifier thingy [12:25] bluetooth [12:26] the battery plasmoid, the networkmanager plasmoid, ktorrent, bluedevil and printer [12:26] apachelogger: can you provide shots of the "Display" and "Entries" of the tray config dialog? [12:26] m [12:26] hm [12:26] you know [12:26] maybe it is a config problem [12:27] agateau: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot63.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot64.png [12:27] apachelogger: thanks [12:29] agateau: mine http://imgur.com/kF3Mt , http://imgur.com/02R0d [12:29] * apachelogger sees nothing suspicious in the config [12:30] me neither [12:30] but I still can't reproduce it :/ [12:30] * apachelogger nukes his plasma*rcs [12:30] still happening ... [12:30] apachelogger: If you disable "Message Indicator" does it look ok? [12:31] agateau: no [12:31] only after restarting plasma [12:32] I recall signing up to do a developer week session a while ago about grantlee, but I can't find that now. Anyone know if it's coming up or was last week or something? [12:32] apachelogger: you mean disabling m.i and restarting plasma fixes it? [12:33] agateau: well, then I have no mi [12:33] but the overlapping goes away [12:33] ok [12:33] simply deactivating mi will leave the overlapping behind [12:33] steveire: mm, good question [12:33] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot65.png [12:33] agateau: ^ once newly activated [12:33] apachelogger: I am wondering if it could be some leftover of the indicator-display => message-indicator transition [12:33] agateau: entirely possible [12:34] steveire: this friday IIRC [12:34] apachelogger: is it a fresh install? [12:34] steveire: google for ubuntu app developer week [12:34] agateau: yes, except for the configs [12:34] agateau: ive had this from a clean install tho === Trouble_ is now known as Trouble [12:35] shadeslayer: was it a clean install and clean user as well? [12:35] doesnt have to do with our /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-indicatordisplay.desktop either :( [12:36] * apachelogger is running out of ideas [12:36] steveire: ah hah https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek [12:36] steveire: Friday [12:36] brand new install with my / nuked ( i have /home on / ) [12:36] apachelogger: did you do your slot yesterday? [12:36] Oops. Sister had baby, won't be around on Friday. [12:36] Riddell: yes [12:36] I'll take an open slot on Thursday maybe [12:38] apachelogger: you remember we worked together on this transition right? [12:38] steveire: go ahead and edit and I'll tell dholbach [12:38] apachelogger: iirc you wrote some javascript to handle it [12:38] agateau: yeah [12:38] apachelogger: do you remember the path to the .js file? [12:38] somewhere in kds [12:38] sec [12:39] Would have been nice to get a notification about it coming up. Maybe whoever organizes it didn't know who I was... [12:39] agateau: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/01-kubuntu-10.04.js [12:39] apachelogger: oh and can you pastebin your .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ? [12:39] apachelogger: thanks [12:40] agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/502584/ [12:43] agateau: I think it is a problem in the plasmoid code itself [12:43] apachelogger: what makes you think so? [12:43] I nuked everything that could be related and yet I get the issue [12:43] I even dropped our default setup [12:43] was plasma off when you nuked the conf? [12:43] yes [12:44] mmm, weird [12:45] we still ship the old .desktop file [12:45] can you try to rm /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-indicatordisplay.desktop [12:45] already did :P [12:45] plasma-desktop(8364)/libplasma Plasma::Applet::itemChange: Configuration object was requested prior to init(), which is too early. Please fix this item: QGraphicsWidget (this = 0x139c9b0 , parent = 0x0 , pos = QPointF(-1.67772e+07, -1.67772e+07) , z = 0 , flags = ( ItemUsesExtendedStyleOption | ItemSendsGeometryChanges ) ) SystemTray::TaskArea (this = 0x13afb80 , parent = 0x13396b0 , pos = QPointF(0, 0) , z = 0 , flags = ( [12:45] ItemUsesExtendedStyleOption | ItemSendsGeometryChanges ) ) "Message Indicator" [12:45] Couldn't find node center. Skipping rendering. [12:45] think that is related? [12:46] apachelogger: not sure, but should probably be fixed anyway [12:46] uhh [12:46] Riddell: bug 651045 [12:46] Launchpad bug 651045 in Kubuntu Netbook Edition "Kubuntu Netbook ISO images are >800MB in size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651045 [12:47] * shadeslayer wonders why thats so large [12:48] umm, we have no netbook ISOs [12:48] because netbook images are targeted for usb sticks and not cds [12:48] Riddell: maybe talking about lucid? [12:49] agateau: I removed everything but bluedevil and kxkb and mi and I still get the bug [12:49] apachelogger: he doesn't seem to be [12:49] apachelogger: good news, it seems I managed to reproduce it [12:49] yay [12:49] well [12:49] not exactly good news :P [12:50] ah [12:50] hes talking about http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ [12:50] i think ... [12:50] maverick-netbook-i386.iso 03-Aug-2010 13:05 801M [12:51] oh, I suppose netbook needs be dropped from ubuntu-cdimage? [12:51] aye [12:51] well that's an easy rm -r command to fix [12:51] also .. what is kubuntu-kde4 ? :P [12:52] lol .. 8.04 .. [12:52] oh, true, that is august 3 ^^ [12:53] gone [12:54] Riddell, shadeslayer: what do you expect of a good video player [12:54] apachelogger: does everything vlc can + more [12:54] ( fancy stuff ) [12:54] more precise please [12:55] apachelogger: well... id say 1) easy to use UI ( this is like really really important ) 2) can play vids and stuff without having to install moar codevs [12:55] *codecs [12:55] ohh [12:55] hardware acceleration [12:56] ^ thats 3) [12:56] 4) inhibits suspend and locking of screen when playing vids [12:56] 5) has a option to disable/enable 4 [12:57] 6) based on Qt [12:57] ^ should really be 2) [12:57] based on KDE and Phonon please [12:57] shadeslayer: why 5? [12:58] apachelogger: because you dont want to people haggling you with feature requests later [12:58] feature requests can be turned down :P [12:58] :> [12:58] ohhhh [12:59] why would one want to disable it? [12:59] this is like right at the top : ability to share meta data between last.fm and such [12:59] shadeslayer: last.fm is for audio :P [12:59] videos do not have reliable metadata [12:59] most video formats do not even support them in a sane way [12:59] plays DVDs from DVDs and from files [12:59] apachelogger: yeah, i mean like fetch metadata from wikipedia and stuff [12:59] plays subtitles [13:00] ah subtitles [13:00] plays DVB [13:00] nepomuk integration [13:00] ooh ooh, BBC iPlayer integration please [13:00] you can rate your favourite vid from your player [13:00] video streaming from links [13:01] kpart for browser integration (optional) [13:01] a kpart for other apps to start [13:01] :D [13:01] ^^ [13:01] ability to minimize to systray [13:02] * ScottK may have missed something obvious, but what are we congratulating jussi and rbelem for? [13:02] start from where last stopped ( dragon has this ) [13:02] no pointless systray icon [13:02] shadeslayer: do you watch videos in the systray? ^^ [13:02] ScottK: you mean you don't keep up with their busy social lives on facebook? [13:02] debfx: no i do like to minimize them to systray when i pause them [13:02] No. [13:02] Riddell: What did I miss? [13:03] ScottK: they got married [13:03] my M key is sticking... [13:03] It seems that would be a tough long distance relationship? [13:04] ROFL [13:04] lulz [13:04] shadeslayer, Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot60.png <-- controls prototype sheytan and I were working on the other day [13:05] apachelogger: NICE [13:05] the controls are QML there ^^ [13:05] whoops... caps [13:05] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot59.png [13:05] that is awesome [13:05] mockup [13:05] apachelogger: make volume slider vertical [13:06] also [13:06] shadeslayer: tell that to sheytan when he comes back :P [13:06] apachelogger: ooh pretty [13:06] apachelogger: also make your seekbar filled for the portion it has covered [13:07] shadeslayer: that you'll also need to discuss with sheytan [13:07] * apachelogger obeys the designers :P [13:07] 0_o [13:07] whats your role in this then :P [13:07] the dev part :P [13:08] both of them are mockups? [13:09] btw, there is an inherit problem with phonon and QML ... QML is using a graphicsscene that however requires phonon to draw by request of the scene rather than via qwidget ... that however does only work in phonon-gst and latest vlc [13:09] good thing this channel is logged [13:09] :D [13:09] uh oh [13:10] also, the way to get phonon into QML directly woud be to write a QML plugin in c++ and use a qgraphicsproxywidget to proxy the Phonon::VideoWidget [13:11] * apachelogger is not sure how to surcome this, though he will probably opt for qwidgets with custom qstyle for starters [13:11] QML still has some rough edges IMHO [13:11] ScottK: btw, what do you expect of a good video player? [13:12] shadeslayer, Riddell: thanks for the input so far [13:12] :) [13:13] apachelogger: how did you draw that transperent control bar? [13:13] shadeslayer: where? [13:13] apachelogger: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot59.png [13:13] shadeslayer: that is a mockup [13:13] apachelogger: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot60.png too? [13:14] generally you can do that using qgraphicsblureffect or what it is called [13:14] shadeslayer: no, that is a QML [13:14] apachelogger: I click. It plays. [13:14] ah :) [13:14] ScottK: is that all? [13:14] That's 90% of it. [13:15] ScottK: what is the other 10%? [13:15] Givining me the same kind of controls my regular dvd player has for actual dvd playing. [13:15] ScottK clicks it doesnt > shows error dialog :P [13:16] s/clicks it doesnt/clicks, it doesnt [13:18] Of course I want high quality smooth video, rich sound and video and sound in sync. [13:19] ^ hardware acceleration [13:20] that falls into the responsibility of phonon [13:21] bbl [13:31] ScottK: you want a radeon card then [13:31] :> [13:31] Sput: No. I want Intel to write decent drivers. [13:32] I've given up on them, and I'm very happy with the open radeon drivers === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [15:45] Riddell: the liblastfm 0.3.3 package is ready: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/liblastfm_0.4.0~really0.3.3-0ubuntu1.dsc [15:46] amarok builds fine with it [15:47] agateau: I think you have targeted this on the wrong branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/amarok/mpris2-raise-fix/+merge/36879 [15:48] debfx: oh right [15:48] debfx: I hope you liked my comment on your application. [15:50] ScottK: yes, thanks very much [15:50] debfx: You're welcome. It's well deserved. [15:51] debfx: created a new merge request [15:52] agateau: ok, but the upload should wait until the new liblastfm version is built [15:53] debfx: no problem [16:04] If someone has a moment, kdelibs (not kde4libs) could stand a merge from Debian. [16:21] ScottK: ok ill take that up [16:22] ( kdelibs merge ) [16:22] shadeslayer: Thanks. [16:25] debfx: great thanks [17:06] ScottK: i have a headache from looking at the last merge :P [17:07] also.. you haz entered - make sure control and control.in are in sync twice in last changelog :) [17:14] ScottK: can i do the merge tomorrow? [17:14] or is really really important ? [17:14] shadeslayer: Tomorrow is fine. [17:14] ok.. ill do it tomorrow then :) [17:15] its a huge merge.. and i have some trivial magazine work [17:15] oh.. idea.. i can put in a article about kubuntu in the tabaloid [17:23] Riddell: your last change added to liblastfm causes FTBFS on build clementine :/ [17:27] is a problem with akregator not having a transparent system tray icon something worth tracking in LP, or should I just upstream it? [17:28] I'm having an issue with the new Xubuntu Bluebird theme [17:32] Akregator has not been ported to the new dbusmenu, IIRC. [17:32] lucidfox I believe said something about taking that on in the next development cycle. [17:36] ScottK: k, but should I file a bug in LP about it? [17:37] micahg: Not really. It would be slightly more useful to have a bug on bugs.kde.org, since it's an upstream issue. [17:37] ScottK: k, will check and file if it's not there, thanks [17:52] ari-tczew: I have prepared a new version of liblastfm that should fix it [17:55] debfx: nice! could you propose a fix as bzr branch? [17:56] ari-tczew: Riddell is going to sponsor it, http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/liblastfm_0.4.0~really0.3.3-0ubuntu1.dsc if you want to have alook at it [18:02] debfx: when this version will be uploaded to maverick? [18:03] after RC freeze is lifted, at the least [18:05] debfx: btw, could you throw the link to your wiki page at me once more? I'll write something after afternoon class [18:10] debfx: applied for what? :D [18:10] JontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FelixGeyer/MOTUApplication [18:10] kubuntu-dev or MOTU ? [18:10] ah [18:13] JontheEchidna: do you want a list of the uploads you sponsored? [18:13] debfx: sure, neat. :) [18:17] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/502736/ + all the cmake/qtwebkit transition uploads [18:20] Commented. Now off to class [18:26] debfx: we should have a script to do that for us :D [18:29] shadeslayer: yeah but the lp api doesn't provide the required methods to write one (afaik) [18:29] :( [18:32] It ought, but it would be painfully iterative. Probably easier to parse -changes email [19:57] persia, shadeslayer: i have a bug report on lp for adding a sponsored packages section to +relatedsoftware [19:57] or hmm maybe it was...oh i remember [19:58] it was if i visit someone /else/'s +relatedsoftware, and i was a sponsor on one of the uploads, it should put an icon next to the upload to tell me [19:58] hm, just curious: why does kdeadmin build-dep on kdepimlibs and has no depends on kdebase anywhere, but the debug package depends on kdebase-runtime-dbg ? [20:01]